Sick of raiding in Mage grp.

[Blue Ma]

Personally, I'm getting bored of being stuck in the mage grp during a raid.  I used to enjoy raids, I guess a year ago now, being used in the MT grp cus I had the best gear and best spell levels of similar druids in the guild. These days however it seems it MUST be a warden, even if they have vastley inferior gear and stats in general.   I feel both druids and in fact all parent classes (Cleric/Shaman) should all be MT grp capable. What edge does the Warden have over the Fury in the MT grp? - is it significant enough? Guess I'll just have to put up with being a wizzie rez bot. L70 Fury -

[genesis013]

<p>You are sick of the mage group? Hmm.. I personally love being in the mage group and get irritated when I am not ...By being in a different group, lets say MT group like your saying what does that really accomplish?? Your saying a warden doesn't have as good of gear and stats as a fury which makes no sense. The CLASS doesnt have the stats and gear, the player does....so it could go either way....and the gear is very similar between the two classes so.......I don't understand what your saying.</p><p> And the answer to your question about warden spells over fury...yes they have an edge over fury with their sandstorm mitigation/defensive buff...In most cases it doesnt make a huge difference but on the tougher encounters it seems to make or break it as far as making the MT easier to keep alive.</p><p>If all you do is rez mages in the mage group..or think thats your only job...then you may want to ask for some advice...</p><p> I may have missed your point but it doesnt seem you know or stated clearly what you meant. Stats and gear come with better spells and loot based on what the player does, its not something origionally inherrited because you picked one class over the other...wow i cant believe im explaining that to a level 70 lol..</p>

[DarkzFlamez]

Blue Mage wrote: <blockquote>Personally, I'm getting bored of being stuck in the mage grp during a raid.  I used to enjoy raids, I guess a year ago now, being used in the MT grp cus I had the best gear and best spell levels of similar druids in the guild. These days however it seems it MUST be a warden, even if they have vastley inferior gear and stats in general.   I feel both druids and in fact all parent classes (Cleric/Shaman) should all be MT grp capable. What edge does the Warden have over the Fury in the MT grp? - is it significant enough? Guess I'll just have to put up with being a wizzie rez bot. L70 Fury - </blockquote><p>I agree with genesis013. But i do think the fury class is very useful on raids. I enjoy being in the mage grp. I love healing those aggro steal'n wackos. Not to mention cross heal'n between groups (since we have the fastest heals in game). There are plenty of things we can do on a raid. We are a versatile class.</p><p>But like genesis I kinda missed your point as well, but I think i know what you were trying to say.</p><p>Crysiz - lvl 70 fury- crushbone</p>

[Blue Ma]

Hmm .. <b>genesis013</b> you seem to have totally miss understood what I was saying for the most part - clever!.   Its obvious that druids can wear the same gear, what I meant was that a Warden with moderate gear might get chosen over a fabled Fury for MT grp. Thanks for the comments re sandstorm, however I found the rest of your answer to be completely rude and uncalled for.

[RogueSpideyChick]

i luv bein in the mage group or 2nd tank group. there's just some stuff that a fury cant do that a warden can that makes them vastly superior over a fury for mt.  primal agility (or whatever it's called) is HUGE for eof. most of the bosses in eof r orange, the huge boost to offensive skills helps a tank hold aggro because they hit the mob more. agitate, yeah they swing more...but they also miss more without the boost.  the anti-root (not sure if it's aa, spell or what) is also huge in eof for some boss mobs especially.  i was in the mt group for a month or so until we got another warden. it's a TOTALLY different world up there cause ur spammin heals & cures.  i get more of a chance to breathe now that we gotta warden again, plus the lifeburn boys r happy to have me back 8-) it's a challenge to be in the mage group, gotta keep up the squishies. & when i see one of the necros get 3.5-5k dps on a lb, 1 of them definitely sends me a tell sayin thx 8-)

[Cale2281]

The other side of the issue is what does a Fury bring to a dps group that a Warden cannot.  Our buffs are designed to increase outgoing dps which makes us completely suited for dps groups.  Also from the stand point of group members, caster buffs work well for casting a fury but not so much for a warden that took the CA line.  It isn't always about what can they do that we can't in the mt group that makes a warden a better choice for mt druid. 

[Blue Ma]

Yes, agreed.  A fury does bring more to a dps grp and the mages help bolster the fury.    I just would like the opportunity to move around a bit more.

[Anastasie]

I would have to agree with preferring the mage group. It affords us a lot more flexibility. I can throw up Hibernation and go to town nuking once the tank is stable. Besides having a troub, wiz and illus is a dream.  I always drop what I'm doing to heal the aggro grabbing wizzie or when I get the Lifeburn tells. But I do get more opportunities to dps when not healing and rarely have power problems in that group.

[mcavellero]

<p>honestly if you have a 1/2 decent cleric+shaman, there is generally no need for a druid in the MT grp, better to put hate utility.  </p><p>   Your buffs benefit mages more than anyone else But mage grps are so fun, they take a lot of spike damage...more to heal for -)</p><p> Remember that the MT healers are no better than any other healer.  Everyone is important, if you let your DPS fall, how is the raid going to suceed?    </p>

[genesis013]

<p>Okay, sorry I see what you meant now. Yeah what everyone saying is true. A fury can be in the Mt group to replace a warden if you don't have one at the time but if you have the choice, you go warden, just like for MT shaman...if you have the choice a defilier is better. Our benifit in the mage group not only makes us more useful but helps the mages with our int buffs and allows us to be very good dps when no healing is needed. I did forget like rogue said, wardens form of agitate increases your targets crush/peirce/slash etc wich allows the tank to hold aggro better.</p><p>When it comes down to it, its all about utilizing class buffs and proper raid placement is cruicial for hard encounters, warden is just better because of buffs when it comes to choosing a druid for MT group. Sorry if i sounded rude in my last post :/</p><p>genesiss- </p>

[RanaFatua]

OMG getting sick of the Mage group what are you on... I LOVE mage group... you have people to heal I get stuck in a scout group a [Removed for Content] all night because I just put up some group heals and then fae pyre and try to dps... Mage group = Troub = procs = HAWTness for DPSing furys. if you play the fury correctly you should be able to do good dps while keeping your mage group up. As for MT group I agree Wardens are better because of some of there group buffs having heals that are able to proc. Wardens are better for MT group then a Fury is. Wardens are stronger single target healers. where as Furys are better for group. HYBERNATION = WIN. 

[kahonen]

Seems you are in the minority, Blue Mage. Nothing comes close to being in a mage group as far as I'm concerned.  The challenge of keeping a necro or two alive when they start using Life Burn makes a raid for me.  Take being thrown in the mage group as a compliment.   More often than not, a raid will fall over if the MT goes down but it's just as likely to fail if DPS sucks.  And who is looking after the DPS, you are. You shouldn't be a rez bot either!  Either keep them alive or leave it for a class with better rezzes.

[Sabri]

We make perfect sense for a mage group, though I prefer scouts, with our buffs that we have, and on many things now, the warden makes more sense for the mt group.  I think for many it's a real kick in the ego when you're booted out of mt group- for some reason people seem to think the best of the best are there.  When not in the mt group, you can keep an eye on more people raid wide for spot healing, and for a fury that's awesome-so long as you have the reflexes for it, it's alot more interesting then heal mt heal mt heal mt /yawn cure cure...

[Kishra]

It's pretty common for us not to be in the MT group, usually templars, and inquisitors get those positions. with our grup +int buffs, and agitate, we are geared towards DPS groups (mages and scouts). I usually have Ferine Vim running on 2 mages, and sometime cancel Carnal Mask for a 3rd Ferine vim if needed (ferine Vim - +95 int, +605 power). I still do a lot of healing on the MT, our quick heals are a life-saver. And, I've been working with our Necro, and when he lifeburns, I mass heal him, and make it so that we about quadruple his output. He wont go anywhere without me now <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> All in all, I have a lot of fun raiding, and really, dont miss the MT group. Sometimes I'm in the MA group, and focus on keeing them alive, which is fine too. I think the biggest thing to realise here, is that we are NOT the most powrful healers. We're fast, medium healers, with lots of utility, and good DPS. We are the the chameleon, changing to match the situation. I personally love it, I start out spam healing the MT on a pull, until the big healers catch up, then swap to dps for the fight, maybe an occasional res, and it's all good. Kishra LVL 70 Fury Antonia Bayle Server

[Catsy]

Agreed with most of the above. I have pretty much settled into a consistent spot in the mage group for our raids--so much so that if I'm signed up for a raid, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be in the mage group. I don't mind this--I love it. Mages generally require very little healing--in most fights they're either out of range, or they have agro and are one-shotted, there's not much in between. The exception would be lifeburning necros, and my necros love me. I sometimes have to toss the troub a heal, but for the most part I'm free to focus on DPSing and healing the MT. I don't rez; that's what pallys/necros/dirges are for. There have been good-natured fights amongst my mages as to who gets the Vim slots, and I have an open offer to guarantee a Vim slot to whoever gets me the master for it. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sometimes I cancel Mask or Hunt to put up a third Vim, depending on the scenario. I have maxed the AA for Primal Spirit to increase the amount of INT I buff the group with, which helps everyone's DPS. Troub gets Agitate for a slight DPS increase unless we have a pally for warlock Amends, in which case pally gets Agitate. It's win-win. I used to resent almost never being in the MT group, because it's a lot of fun. But once I began to understand the differences between furies and wardens, I realized that their buffs and abilities are simply better suited to that role, just as mine are better suited to the mage group. Once I came to terms with that, I began to excel at the role and love it.

[Sokolov]

<cite>genesis013 wrote:</cite><blockquote> <p>Sorry if i sounded rude in my last post :/</p><p>genesiss- </p></blockquote> You did not sound rude to me at all. ~ As for this topic, Wardens are generally better than Furies in the MT group, but I've used 2 Furies in the MT for certain fights with an undergeared tank.