ranger vs fury pvp

[dremtak]

39 ranger here on the nagafen pvp server......i run into so many furies and unless they con green to me there are almost impossible for me to beat.........anyone got some tips for me?.............or is running my best optiom lol

[Badaxe Ba]

Kill em fast, or leave em alone, a wellplayed fury is tough

[dremtak]

yeah once i blow through my ca's and get ther health down then see there health climb again atm i know im done fer..and i run like hell if i can get away lol

[dremtak]

saw a pvp vid where an assasin was owning a fury ..........i believe they were 70 though but the thing i noticed was the assasin was jumping alot.......is this a strat or just a guy with a happy space bar?

[pseudocide]

<cite>dremtak wrote:</cite><blockquote>saw a pvp vid where an assasin was owning a fury ..........i believe they were 70 though but the thing i noticed was the assasin was jumping alot.......is this a strat or just a guy with a happy space bar? </blockquote><p> jumping is an easy way to get position on your target, instead of trying to run around them to backstab, just jump over them.</p><p>furies are a PITA, either kill them before they can start healing or use mental breach poison</p>

[Ranja]

<cite>pseudocide wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dremtak wrote:</cite><blockquote>saw a pvp vid where an assasin was owning a fury ..........i believe they were 70 though but the thing i noticed was the assasin was jumping alot.......is this a strat or just a guy with a happy space bar? </blockquote><p> jumping is an easy way to get position on your target, instead of trying to run around them to backstab, just jump over them.</p><p>furies are a PITA, either kill them before they can start healing or use mental breach poison</p></blockquote>Auto-attack FTW. Hit killing/honed and auto-attack all their power away. When they get down to 20% or about there. Root>Focus>Triple>Rain. They will not be able to heal through that<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[EQ2Magroo]

Not much use at lvl 39...but I heard that Hawk Dive really messes with your opponent's casting in PvP making healers much easier to take out. Think it's a level 65 spell though so long way to go until you could use this strat. I've not played on PvP myself, but I would think that poisons would have apart to play here. Either something to reduce their casting skills, or a DoT posion that interrupts during their slow(ish) casting. Or maybe just a good old fashioned stun or power drain poison. Any mob that can hit you at range is going to be tricky for a Ranger, as we rely heavily on being outside of a mobs attack range, whilst still be able to hit it ourselves.

[dremtak]

<cite>pseudocide wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dremtak wrote:</cite><blockquote>saw a pvp vid where an assasin was owning a fury ..........i believe they were 70 though but the thing i noticed was the assasin was jumping alot.......is this a strat or just a guy with a happy space bar? </blockquote><p> jumping is an easy way to get position on your target, instead of trying to run around them to backstab, just jump over them.</p><p>furies are a PITA, either kill them before they can start healing or use mental breach poison</p></blockquote>actually he was jumping around at a distance.......which seemed weird to me or he was really happy..........only thing that came to mind was possibly target issues for whom hes facing but couldnt see that to much either. as for mental breach i dont have that option yet but will someday<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />))

[dremtak]

<cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>pseudocide wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dremtak wrote:</cite><blockquote>saw a pvp vid where an assasin was owning a fury ..........i believe they were 70 though but the thing i noticed was the assasin was jumping alot.......is this a strat or just a guy with a happy space bar? </blockquote><p> jumping is an easy way to get position on your target, instead of trying to run around them to backstab, just jump over them.</p><p>furies are a PITA, either kill them before they can start healing or use mental breach poison</p></blockquote>Auto-attack FTW. Hit killing/honed and auto-attack all their power away. When they get down to 20% or about there. Root>Focus>Triple>Rain. They will not be able to heal through that<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>hmmmm how would you keep the fury in range?..........most i have faced one of the first things they do is root me to keep me from getting range on them..........wouldnt there dmg shields and other debuffs own me in melee?.....i'd like to try your theory can you give tips on surviving till hes down to 20?

[dremtak]

<cite>EQ2Magroo wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not much use at lvl 39...but I heard that Hawk Dive really messes with your opponent's casting in PvP making healers much easier to take out. Think it's a level 65 spell though so long way to go until you could use this strat. I've not played on PvP myself, but I would think that poisons would have apart to play here. Either something to reduce their casting skills, or a DoT posion that interrupts during their slow(ish) casting. Or maybe just a good old fashioned stun or power drain poison. Any mob that can hit you at range is going to be tricky for a Ranger, as we rely heavily on being outside of a mobs attack range, whilst still be able to hit it ourselves. </blockquote>yeah i guess ill have to wait till higher levels and more poisons and debuff poisons come available........[Removed for Content] those lil guys are tough

[Kradun]

<cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>pseudocide wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dremtak wrote:</cite><blockquote>saw a pvp vid where an assasin was owning a fury ..........i believe they were 70 though but the thing i noticed was the assasin was jumping alot.......is this a strat or just a guy with a happy space bar? </blockquote><p> jumping is an easy way to get position on your target, instead of trying to run around them to backstab, just jump over them.</p><p>furies are a PITA, either kill them before they can start healing or use mental breach poison</p></blockquote>Auto-attack FTW. Hit killing/honed and auto-attack all their power away. When they get down to 20% or about there. Root>Focus>Triple>Rain. They will not be able to heal through that<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Does not work.  PvP damage is scaled differently than on the PvE servers.  Although this is a viable tactic if you have one of the high end DPS bows. ie sarnak + I can't answer how tp beat furies level locking, but I have beaten my fair share of furies one on one at seventy.  It is mostly dependant on mental breach, or waiting for my fear cloak to proc off an auto attack then letting hell loose, killing instincts, focus aim. 100% dps mod, rain of arrows - > triple - > double - > counfounding -> devitalizing... and if they are not dead snare snare snare sprint.... fast. run up and down terrain. Furies only have a 25 m cast range.  I cna peg them from 57.5. snare at 40.... then wait for fear or raincaller to proc. and if u havnt won by then, mental breach should have drained their mana, or your screwed. 

[Ranja]

<cite>Kradun wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>pseudocide wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dremtak wrote:</cite><blockquote>saw a pvp vid where an assasin was owning a fury ..........i believe they were 70 though but the thing i noticed was the assasin was jumping alot.......is this a strat or just a guy with a happy space bar? </blockquote><p> jumping is an easy way to get position on your target, instead of trying to run around them to backstab, just jump over them.</p><p>furies are a PITA, either kill them before they can start healing or use mental breach poison</p></blockquote>Auto-attack FTW. Hit killing/honed and auto-attack all their power away. When they get down to 20% or about there. Root>Focus>Triple>Rain. They will not be able to heal through that<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Does not work.  PvP damage is scaled differently than on the PvE servers.  Although this is a viable tactic if you have one of the high end DPS bows. ie sarnak + I can't answer how tp beat furies level locking, but I have beaten my fair share of furies one on one at seventy.  It is mostly dependant on mental breach, or waiting for my fear cloak to proc off an auto attack then letting hell loose, killing instincts, focus aim. 100% dps mod, rain of arrows - > triple - > double - > counfounding -> devitalizing... and if they are not dead snare snare snare sprint.... fast. run up and down terrain. Furies only have a 25 m cast range.  I cna peg them from 57.5. snare at 40.... then wait for fear or raincaller to proc. and if u havnt won by then, mental breach should have drained their mana, or your screwed.  </blockquote>Melee auto-attack<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. You do not need to keep em at range. The fury is going to heal through your damage so you need to do damage without spending power. I take out all healers like this with my 30 Brig. Just sit there and auto-attack. They usually heal through it and then realize they have no power while I have all of my power and then they run.

[dremtak]

yeah it seems i will have to dodge furies umtil im higher level........i will privail<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kaleyen]

But even when you do hit 70 an even con fury that is DPS spec'd will still probably prevail if they are decent.

[dremtak]

[Removed for Content] it liluk give me a ray of hope will ya!!!!! [Removed for Content]<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kaleyen]

Lol, fury's that are good at their class and spec'd right can give any class a run for their money.  I've seen a fury smack around even those classes that have great solo skills like swashy's/brigs/bruisers. Just gotta get the jump on them out in the wild and pray you found one of those that can't tell the difference between a thunderbolt and auto attack <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kradun]

<cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kradun wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>pseudocide wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dremtak wrote:</cite><blockquote>saw a pvp vid where an assasin was owning a fury ..........i believe they were 70 though but the thing i noticed was the assasin was jumping alot.......is this a strat or just a guy with a happy space bar? </blockquote><p> jumping is an easy way to get position on your target, instead of trying to run around them to backstab, just jump over them.</p><p>furies are a PITA, either kill them before they can start healing or use mental breach poison</p></blockquote>Auto-attack FTW. Hit killing/honed and auto-attack all their power away. When they get down to 20% or about there. Root>Focus>Triple>Rain. They will not be able to heal through that<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Does not work.  PvP damage is scaled differently than on the PvE servers.  Although this is a viable tactic if you have one of the high end DPS bows. ie sarnak + I can't answer how tp beat furies level locking, but I have beaten my fair share of furies one on one at seventy.  It is mostly dependant on mental breach, or waiting for my fear cloak to proc off an auto attack then letting hell loose, killing instincts, focus aim. 100% dps mod, rain of arrows - > triple - > double - > counfounding -> devitalizing... and if they are not dead snare snare snare sprint.... fast. run up and down terrain. Furies only have a 25 m cast range.  I cna peg them from 57.5. snare at 40.... then wait for fear or raincaller to proc. and if u havnt won by then, mental breach should have drained their mana, or your screwed.  </blockquote>Melee auto-attack<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. You do not need to keep em at range. The fury is going to heal through your damage so you need to do damage without spending power. I take out all healers like this with my 30 Brig. Just sit there and auto-attack. They usually heal through it and then realize they have no power while I have all of my power and then they run. </blockquote>Yea... why would you melee in range of their thunderbolt/killing swarm/ tempest?....  cuz you know our melee auto attack DOESNT hit like a truck, but our bow shots do. 

[Elephanton]

You can still "dance" around that line where melee autoattack stops working, and ranged starts working, stepping back every few secs to get a ranged auto-attack shot - it just requires some training, but it works.

[Fonrian]

<p>In a 1v1, furies will usually beat rangers.  You can try the auto-attack method if you want, but brigs are probably better with that than rangers are.  If their dps is decent, they're going to burn you down before you can make them heal themselves to the point of being oop.  I usually attack furies expecting a loss, but will come out ahead lots of times.  I usually try to sniper shot, rain of arrows, triple volley, then run up and cheap shot/point blank shot to interrupt their heals, the jump back out to finish off with ranged ca's.  Pretty much if the fury/warden is not afk and knows how to click their heal buttons, you're not going to have much fun. </p>

[Kradun]

<cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote>You can still "dance" around that line where melee autoattack stops working, and ranged starts working, stepping back every few secs to get a ranged auto-attack shot - it just requires some training, but it works.</blockquote> bad idea against a fury cuz yet again...  your placing yourself in the range of nukes 0-25m.  This is a pvp encounter nota pve encounter.  I can promise you a decent fury will tear your face off with vortex if you give him a chance by being a [Removed for Content] and melee-ing. As of now....  I have 7.5-7.8k hp depending on my gear choices of the day.  I am easily taken down to 40% by chain fury nukes if they all land.  Don't say buff resists,because I have tried and they are still broken in PvP.  (the magic resistance number seems to be around 4.25k to get a lot of resists while not taking too much damage) -->thunderbolt crit =2.5k=3k I am going to stress this one more time....  Kite them until they burn all their power(mental breach).  Or get proc gear that has control effects that can give u an opening to make your kill shot.  Even with their run pseed enhancements they can still be kited, but ill let you figure out that strat <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[dremtak]

i was wondering if the raincaller bow can make a huge difference in this versus, anyone with one guve some insite?

[Rabbitoh]

<p><span style="font-size: x-small">Ranger V good fury = fury win. I have fought good and bad furies and i lose to the good ones, we cannot survive 3k nukes from a healing class. A little tip for you, cast invis totem then go stealth, this will allow you to use your stealth attack without the fury seeing you (providing he isn't using a totem of the owl). </span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small">Using mental breech on some furies may not work as some furies are specced with animal form (i think this is what it is called). Basically they hit a mob and they regen power. A smart fury will use cheetah during a solo pvp encounter either to kite in most cases or to close the gap as against a ranger. 1 minute of a fury next to a ranger = a dead ranger.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small">Best advice against a fury is try to get off your big attacks and if this doesn't work, run for a zone line and hope he has a slow computer <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small">The raincaller bow in pvp is now a waste of time, but there are other good t7 items out there when you get to t7, such as the mancles of the darksky (7 sec stifle for shoulders) and the sheild from MMC which procs a 7 sec stun.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small">Molok, [Removed for Content] ranger of the guid Exile. Venekor server (soon to be Naggy).</span></p>

[dremtak]

<cite>Rabbitoh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: x-small">Ranger V good fury = fury win. I have fought good and bad furies and i lose to the good ones, we cannot survive 3k nukes from a healing class. A little tip for you, cast invis totem then go stealth, this will allow you to use your stealth attack without the fury seeing you (providing he isn't using a totem of the owl). </span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small">Using mental breech on some furies may not work as some furies are specced with animal form (i think this is what it is called). Basically they hit a mob and they regen power. A smart fury will use cheetah during a solo pvp encounter either to kite in most cases or to close the gap as against a ranger. 1 minute of a fury next to a ranger = a dead ranger.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small">Best advice against a fury is try to get off your big attacks and if this doesn't work, run for a zone line and hope he has a slow computer <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small">The raincaller bow in pvp is now a waste of time, but there are other good t7 items out there when you get to t7, such as the mancles of the darksky (7 sec stifle for shoulders) and the sheild from MMC which procs a 7 sec stun.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small">Molok, [Removed for Content] ranger of the guid Exile. Venekor server (soon to be Naggy).</span></p></blockquote>does the stun effect on the raincaller not work anymore?

[Rabbitoh]

Raincaller bow only stuns for 1 second now in pvp, you are better off with a bow that hits harder with the auto attack.

[mo0rbid]

Sorry but, what is CA exactly?

[Prandtl]

Kepp@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>Sorry but, what is CA exactly? </blockquote> CA is a Combat Ability.  Same as a spell, except it uses a weapon instead of magic.  Ranger attacks like double arrow are CA's

[Swyft_Permafrost]

What is the best class to play in pvp?

[THEWELL]

Assassin's have a CA that puts them in stealth after every CA...so by casting that and jumping around...it makes it tough for his opponent to get a target on the assassin, unless that person has a /target_recent macro.

[Rabbitoh]

<cite>Swyft_Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>What is the best class to play in pvp? </blockquote><p>Best class for pvp, is the 1 you like to the most play.</p><p>The easiest class to play is a lvl 70 swashie or a brigand, any noob can play these classes and have successs. </p>

[Malchore]

<p>Well I can say that on PvE servers with Ranger v Fury duel, I've only lost once to a Fury, and that was because the Fury asked me to NOT use certain abilities.  (I couldn't use any Stuns, Stifles, Knockdowns, Dots or Focus Aim, LOL!)  When I handicapped myself then yes, the Fury won even though the fight went on for a long time and he barely beat me.  (He kept healing himself instead of just nuking me.)</p><p>Anyways, the easiest thing to do was just stand back at range and use Focus Aim as soon as the duel begins.  Then unleash everything I had!  The damage from our ranged attacks (many of whice are criticals because of Focus Aim) are much higher than a fury's nukes (which take time to cast btw.)  I killed him in about 7 seconds.  I had Caustic Poison and some random fettering poisons, and I was in Offensive Stance using Rain Caller.  Didn't move, just Focus Aim (master 1) and hit him with everything.</p><p>We did that twice.  First time I asked him to see if his healing could overcome my initial front-loaded damage.  (It couldn't.  Like I said, 7 seconds of Focus Aim with all those Criticals is massive damage that he couldn't heal through.)  Then I told him not to heal, but just try to nuke me instead.  I will won again of course, because he needs more than 7 seconds to nuke me.  (Although I was in the red.)</p><p>Funniest Duel I ever saw was a Guard vs. Swashy.  The Swashy was raid-equiped, the Guard wasn't.  The Swash happened to have the Star Darkened longbow.  He just ran in a circle and kite the guard.  Was over rather quickly.  That bow is sick.  The swash challenged me to a duel but I declined.  No way I was going to allow my ranger to get one-shotted by a bow lol!</p>

[Dannd]

<p>Unfortunately, when it comes to PvP, there are several factors that come into play.</p><p>1.  Armor quality</p><p>2.  CAs/Spell quality.  Keep in mind that we have PvP rulesets that reduce the effectiveness of every CA or spell we have/cast.  In PvP, a Ranger's initial burst damage against a master crafted geared Fury cannot out do the Fury's heal rate.  As such, when they do cast a HoT or two, they have to stand by and nuke us to high hell.  In PVE duels, your stuns last full duration, etc., etc.  In PvP, our stuns/roots have an immunity timer once they land.  If your roots lasts 30 seconds in PvP, after it lands and wears off, you will not be able to land the same root on me until 30 seconds have transpired.</p><p>Of course, by that time, the fury has finished me off.</p><p>3.  Resists:  Still not completely up to standard on PvP servers.  I still don't understand them, and I probably won't.</p><p>I'm having problems now (and I'm ashamed to admit it) with Wizards who have manashield/burn AA abilities.  I cannot finish them off to save my life.  I unload, and then their wards trigger.  I'm stunned/stifled and then nuked to death.</p><p>Any tips?</p>

[gfx]

<cite>Kradun wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>pseudocide wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>dremtak wrote:</cite><blockquote>saw a pvp vid where an assasin was owning a fury ..........i believe they were 70 though but the thing i noticed was the assasin was jumping alot.......is this a strat or just a guy with a happy space bar? </blockquote><p> jumping is an easy way to get position on your target, instead of trying to run around them to backstab, just jump over them.</p><p>furies are a PITA, either kill them before they can start healing or use mental breach poison</p></blockquote>Auto-attack FTW. Hit killing/honed and auto-attack all their power away. When they get down to 20% or about there. Root>Focus>Triple>Rain. They will not be able to heal through that<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Does not work.  PvP damage is scaled differently than on the PvE servers.  Although this is a viable tactic if you have one of the high end DPS bows. ie sarnak + I can't answer how tp beat furies level locking, but I have beaten my fair share of furies one on one at seventy.  It is mostly dependant on mental breach, or waiting for my fear cloak to proc off an auto attack then letting hell loose, killing instincts, focus aim. 100% dps mod, rain of arrows - > triple - > double - > counfounding -> devitalizing... and if they are not dead snare snare snare sprint.... fast. run up and down terrain. Furies only have a 25 m cast range.  I cna peg them from 57.5. snare at 40.... then wait for fear or raincaller to proc. and if u havnt won by then, mental breach should have drained their mana, or your screwed.  </blockquote>Very true, but most Rangers don't know how to kite aswell as we do, Kradun <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Furies does have a pretty nasty dps, so max your resists as much as possible. Mental breach, as Kradun said, is a <b>MUST</b> vs healers.

[gfx]

It's pretty easy to beat most healers if you get sniper shot off first tho .. But furies have see stealth. A good fury would never let you do that.