Signatures by Cuff of Everfrost EQ2

[Afterdark]

<p>Not taking orders, just for show.</p><p>Awhile back I was interested in making signatures. I thought I would share some. Couple of things to note, none are made with a template or wizard, its all done from scratch and the file sizes for what they are are very small so they load fast compared to the file size a template or wizard puts out. I notice nobody really cares about bandwidth these days, lol. Some of these are clear background animations that are much smaller in file size then some of the regular banner type sigs you see out there today. I save most every part of a sig I make separately so I can mix or match parts.</p><p>This top one is a 3 frame clear background animation, works with any forum background color. It is my current sig I use for playing on Everfrost EQ2.</p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/Animation5.gif" border="0"></p><p>This 2nd one is a 7 frame clear background animation that also works with any forum background color. This one I learned how to make words go around in a circle with with a clear background placed in a animation. This is prolly as hard as it gets in making sigs.</p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/cuff450_50.gif" border="0"></p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/orgcuff03.gif" border="0"></p><p>This sword with a drape on it above and below I think is some of my best original work. I took the sword out of one picture and the drap out of another, I put the two together on a dark color silk background. It is also a clear background that works with any forum background color, if you high light these sigs by clicking off to the side of it and draging your mouse over it you will see the outline that is hidded by the black forum background it is currently on. Oh and for anyonw who knows Clink I am not him , I am Cuff, I just made the sig for Clink of Deaths Door Everfrost.</p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/Clink07.gif" border="0"></p><p>Yes thats the same sword in the one below as the one just above. Just turned upright. This fallen angel was shackled to a post (now where the sword is) and had snakes crawling all over her. I removed the shackles and snakes, put the sword where the post was and did some resizing. Fallen angel grasping a sword, Turned out well. This again is a clear background, works with any forum background color.</p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/Cuff01.gif" border="0"></p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/fa0002.jpg" border="0"></p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/finalgar03a2.gif" border="0"></p><p>Some templates I made... I have hundreds.</p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/samsword04.gif" border="0"></p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/samarch01.gif" border="0"></p><p>Below is an unfinished sig I made mainly to see if I could use in game animation, It was a success</p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/forge01.gif" border="0"></p>

[Khellendrathas]

Looks good. I take it you didn't draw any of the images you used?

[Afterdark]

<cite>Khellendrathas wrote:</cite><blockquote>Looks good. I take it you didn't draw any of the images you used? </blockquote><p> Nobody does. Well maybe a little but you know what I mean.</p><p>90% of the time I start with some sort of image or a part of an image and build off it. The only 100% original parts of a sig I have ever done are backgrounds, borders and there overall shapes (outlines). One of my points is my graphices are inset by hand not by a banner wizard, plug-in or template. Same with the animation, its not banner wizard, template or plug-in driven either to keep file sizes small. Graphics are taken out of a image the same way. I could use templates or wizards easy enough but you lose clear backgrounds and the file sizes are way to huge causing them to load slow and chew up bandwidth even with cable. Have you ever looked at the file sizes on some plug-in driven animated sigs?</p>

[Afterdark]

[Seagoat]

<cite>Afterdark wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Khellendrathas wrote:</cite><blockquote>Looks good. I take it you didn't draw any of the images you used? </blockquote><p> Nobody does.</p></blockquote><p> Some do, actually.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  A few of the artists here do hand- or tablet-drawn character art.</p>

[Khellendrathas]

<cite>Afterdark wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Khellendrathas wrote:</cite><blockquote>Looks good. I take it you didn't draw any of the images you used? </blockquote><p> Nobody does. Well maybe a little but you know what I mean.</p><p>90% of the time I start with some sort of image or a part of an image and build off it. The only 100% original parts of a sig I have ever done are backgrounds, borders and there overall shapes (outlines). One of my points is my graphices are inset by hand not by a banner wizard, plug-in or template. Same with the animation, its not banner wizard, template or plug-in driven either to keep file sizes small. Graphics are taken out of a image the same way. I could use templates or wizards easy enough but you lose clear backgrounds and the file sizes are way to huge causing them to load slow and chew up bandwidth even with cable. Have you ever looked at the file sizes on some plug-in driven animated sigs?</p></blockquote> I actually draw. The screenshot art I do is just something I do as well. And the majority of sig artists here do not use "banner wizards or templates". There's a difference when SOE gives us permission to use screenshots to make fan art and it's another to grab artists' work and use it  without permission. At the very least you should credit the artists if you can't ask them.

[Afterdark]

<cite>Khellendrathas wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I actually draw. The screenshot art I do is just something I do as well. And the majority of sig artists here do not use "banner wizards or templates". There's a difference when SOE gives us permission to use screenshots to make fan art and it's another to grab artists' work and use it  without permission. At the very least you should credit the artists if you can't ask them.</p></blockquote>I know eaxclty how everyones signatures are made, its not a big mystery. Because you say I should credit artist does not mean I don't. What I am saying is there is no real talent here, ok so there is some drawing but its all learning how to use the tools. I like to point out that I have taken the time to learn tools I see nobody else using. Thats what I am here to show. Its also easy as pie to tell people use templates and wizards, just look at the file size of the signature, lol. A hand made 3 frame clear background animation can be done at 75 kb or less, these guys are pumping out 1 megabye + file sizes for regular animations. Now thats talent!

[Khellendrathas]

No real talent here? My, you have a large ego. Creating web graphics is a combination of making them visually appealing while keeping a decent file size. While I applaud that you look highly on your work, aside from file size they <b>look</b> like copy and paste image signatures with text and simple animations that many people create when starting out. While file size IS important, the images the signature artists create here aren't <b>just </b>about keeping it efficient. If it was all about that then we'd have everyone using text in their sig spaces. It's mainly catering to the needs of the client. Not everyone wants a transparent background in their graphic. Not everyone wants an animation. Not everyone wants it the smallest file and pixel size it can be. Be proud if your work and your accomplishments, but do not insult other artists. You have your talents and we have ours. Do not forget that we are ALL still learning; even pros continue to better their skills and learn new methods constantly. Don't presume that you are somehow better in the broad scope of web graphics because you choose size efficiency over anything else. All I had asked is that you credit the artists or ask them permission when you use their work. If you do that, fine. I'm done here.

[Littleflame]

I know in theory how cakes are made! I must be a master cake baker!

[Afterdark]

<p>Making a signature is easy these days, just like it is really easy to make a good looking cookie cutter website. If you buy a pre-mix, pre-made cake its easy too, it makes you the master sig, web and cake baker. All I am saying is if your going to make a sig why not learn the tools available to you instead of defending 5 minutes worth of work like it took you all day. For what they are the sigs I see are really nice. They could be so much more with a little effort.</p><p><img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Atrix]

<p>I love that the OP calls cutting and pasting other people's artwork into a sig "original work" then has the audacity to say there is not talent here.</p><p>The only thing I can guess is it takes no talent to see no talent. </p><p>How about this... The OP talks alot about tools, but doesn't specify a thing beyond file size.  He talks about templates and wizards.  Funny thing, I'm about as noobish as you can get as a sig maker, but I don't see any wizards or templates when I open Illustrator.</p><p>Instead of coming in here and wagging your [Removed for Content] with nice sigs that were made with the hard work of -real- artists, check your ego at the door and provide some real information.  Till then, you'll always appear to be the master of ctrl-c and ctrl-v that you've shown so far.</p>

[shirka]

<p>don't reply to this thread anymore. let it fade into oblivion where it belongs <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Besides, people who talk like Afterdark here does, will never change their minds. They only see what they want to see. I sense a lot of emotions from this person, but "respect" isn't one of them. No argument we could muster will ever make him/her (?) see the beauty in the work posted on our sig-forum.</p><p>So let us turn our backs, my fellow sig-makers, and return to our programs we know so well. And try to find that little effect we haven't used before, to create that Ultimate Signature we all search for!</p><p>Salute Afterdark! Give my regards to the dust collecting somewhere in the dark corners of the signature forum.</p>

[Suite]

Atrixia@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><p>Instead of coming in here and wagging your [Removed for Content] ...</p></blockquote><p>AHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahahaha!!!!</p><p>/wipes tear from eye</p><p>OMG, this is the funniest thing I have read in awhile!</p><p>WTG!</p><p>Suite </p>

[Afterdark]

Atrixia@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><p> check your ego at the door <span style="font-size: medium">and provide some real information.</span>  </p></blockquote><p> All signatures speak for them self, mine, yours, everyones. That IS the information, for it has within it everythng I need to know. Its easy to tell how one was made and for the most part how hard it was to make it. Knowing that all I am saying is its very easy to make a rectangular sig and even easier to make a rectangular animated that has a huge file size. As far as the art in signatures go I see very little original work, art is a creative process I understand and have alot of respect for, that is not the issue here. My point is my signatures are the information. My signatures have features I see nobody else using, thats why I am here.</p><p>Ok here is the challenge. I want everyone to make a average size signature with these 4 things.</p><p>1) Animated, 3 frames at least.</p><p>2) Clear background.</p><p>3) Circular lettering.</p><p>4) Not a huge file size, say less then 75 KB.</p><p>It does not need to be great or anything, it just needs to have these 4 features to show you know how to make them. If you can not do all 4 do as many as you can. If some people are the great sig makes they claim to be this should be easy.</p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/Animation5.gif" border="0"></p>

[Afterdark]

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[Hannalynn]

<cite>Afterdark wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Khellendrathas wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I actually draw. The screenshot art I do is just something I do as well. And the majority of sig artists here do not use "banner wizards or templates". There's a difference when SOE gives us permission to use screenshots to make fan art and it's another to grab artists' work and use it  without permission. At the very least you should credit the artists if you can't ask them.</p></blockquote>I know eaxclty how everyones signatures are made, its not a big mystery. Because you say I should credit artist does not mean I don't. What I am saying is there is no real talent here, ok so there is some drawing but its all learning how to use the tools.<u><b> I like to point out that I have taken the time to learn tools I see nobody else using.</b></u> Thats what I am here to show. Its also easy as pie to tell people use templates and wizards, just look at the file size of the signature, lol. A hand made 3 frame clear background animation can be done at 75 kb or less, these guys are pumping out 1 megabye + file sizes for regular animations. Now thats talent!</blockquote> In responce to the bolded underlined part... what exactly are you using that no body else is using? Everything you've posted I've seen others, including myself, do, and have done for a while.

[Seagoat]

<p>Does this satisfy?  (9 frames, 0.90 second duration, 44KB)</p><p><img src="http://eq2.lunaclick.net/misc/seagoats-animation02.gif" border="0"></p><p>It took me less than 10 minutes to make.  I can cut the file size down even further by decreasing the number of colors used, but that's about when it starts to look like total crap.</p><p>Seriously, I smell troll.  Instead of trying to put the rest of us down by prancing about and singing your own praises, put your time to more constructive use and hone your sig-making skills.  If you don't want people to continue laughing you out of the forum, put your money where your mouth is and make something that's truly spectacular -- and original.</p><p><b>Never stop learning.</b>  There are a billion free tutorial websites out there where you can learn a lot more than how to C&P another artist's work and make a squashed GIF with jagged edges.</p>

[Seraphias]

Well said Seagoat!

[Koehianna]

<cite>Seagoat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Does this satisfy?  (9 frames, 0.90 second duration, 44KB)</p><p><img src="http://eq2.lunaclick.net/misc/seagoats-animation02.gif" border="0"></p><p>It took me less than 10 minutes to make.  I can cut the file size down even further by decreasing the number of colors used, but that's about when it starts to look like total crap.</p><p>Seriously, I smell troll.  Instead of trying to put the rest of us down by prancing about and singing your own praises, put your time to more constructive use and hone your sig-making skills.  If you don't want people to continue laughing you out of the forum, put your money where your mouth is and make something that's truly spectacular -- and original.</p><p><b>Never stop learning.</b>  There are a billion free tutorial websites out there where you can learn a lot more than how to C&P another artist's work and make a squashed GIF with jagged edges.</p></blockquote>Best piece of work in this thread so far!

[MysidiaDrakkenbane]

<p>Don't feed the trolls, people. </p><p>There is a TON of talent in this forum...much greater than anything I could come up with. </p><p>And frankly, I don't need to justify my work for anyone to approve. I do this for MYSELF...probably the biggest and hardest critic I know. </p>

[Afterdark]

<cite>Seagoat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Does this satisfy?  (9 frames, 0.90 second duration, 44KB)</p><p><img src="http://eq2.lunaclick.net/misc/seagoats-animation02.gif" border="0"></p><p>It took me less than 10 minutes to make.  </p></blockquote><p>3.5 out of the 4 is not bad. You made a clear background animation, made some lettering and took an existing animation and slaped it in there. File size is good. You have rounded lettering but not circular. I say this passes. I had little doubt that some of you here could make what I asked with little trouble. I do only see one person has taken up the challenge, I would like to see at least a couple more.</p><p>More importantly I want to thank you for helping prove my point, see how easy it is to make a signature using tools. Now combine these tools with the creative process and you have awesome looking sigs. Sure someone can say drawing something from scratch is a core part of the creative process and they would be right but also how you put images together to create a signature is a creative process in its self and can be quite a challenge, well at least to make it look good together it is. I am here to show my work, how easy it is to put together once you learn the tools but at the same time from the creative aspect how hard they are to make. Sure I still think most work I see are flat rectangular no talent signatures that hardly very from one to the other, but hey thats just my opinion.</p>

[Seagoat]

<cite>Afterdark wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>3.5 out of the 4 is not bad. You made a clear background animation, made some lettering and took an existing animation and slaped it in there. File size is good. You have rounded lettering but not circular. I say this passes.</p></blockquote><p> The only things in the graphic I <i>didn't</i> make are the fonts themselves.  I made the Super BladePro presets used on the icons, and I animated the frames together with Animation Shop.  Cookie-cutter?  Maybe.  Prefabricated?  Decidedly not.</p><p>I daresay the type of lettering I used is a lot more difficult than just text in a circle.  It's the easiest thing in the world to take a few words and slap them on a circular path; it takes about four mouse clicks in Paint Shop Pro (click and drag to make a vector shape, click the text tool icon, click on the topmost vector node to bring up the text dialog window, then click "Apply" to place the text).  What I did was make multiple vector layers, reversing nodes and altering the flow of text so that all of the text floats on the outside of a central elliptical path while retaining a readable position.  If I hadn't done that, half of my text would be upside down.</p><p>Thanks for your approval.  <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Been working on anything original lately?</p>

[Krilinye]

<cite>Afterdark wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Seagoat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Does this satisfy?  (9 frames, 0.90 second duration, 44KB)</p><p><img src="http://eq2.lunaclick.net/misc/seagoats-animation02.gif" border="0"></p><p>It took me less than 10 minutes to make.  </p></blockquote><p>3.5 out of the 4 is not bad. You made a clear background animation, made some lettering and took an existing animation and slaped it in there. File size is good. You have rounded lettering but not circular. I say this passes. I had little doubt that some of you here could make what I asked with little trouble. I do only see one person has taken up the challenge, I would like to see at least a couple more.</p><p>More importantly I want to thank you for helping prove my point, see how easy it is to make a signature using tools. Now combine these tools with the creative process and you have awesome looking sigs. Sure someone can say drawing something from scratch is a core part of the creative process and they would be right but also how you put images together to create a signature is a creative process in its self and can be quite a challenge, well at least to make it look good together it is. I am here to show my work, how easy it is to put together once you learn the tools but at the same time from the creative aspect how hard they are to make. Sure I still think most work I see are flat rectangular no talent signatures that hardly very from one to the other, but hey thats just my opinion.</p></blockquote><p>Just 1 thing:</p><p>Troll dude; [I cannot control my vocabulary] you dont got half the talent Seagoat has. Why in gods name would she need you "passing" something that she just slammed together to prove sumthing?</p><p>Do you think your some kind of "god of Signatures"? Will you get down from that victors platform and into that coffin, ASAP!... </p>

[Zodiak]

I don't want to contribute to this craphole of a thread, BUT.... You are acting as if its that difficult to make an irregular shaped signature.  The only thing special about your signatures are that you ripped off other artists - which is disrespectful and trashy. Artists don't steal other artists work.  Its lame that you would come here flaunting the fact that you're blatantly thieving the hard work that someone put into creating art.  Hence, you really don't have a leg to stand on for claiming that anyone here isn't talented. Rather than waste anyone's time here reading this thread or participating in your 'challenge' - why don't you challenge yourself to make a signature that isn't created with stolen art?  There's far more to creating a signature than just saving other people's work and cutting it out and pasting it on an irregular shaped signature. Lame.  Lame lame lame.

[Hannalynn]

<cite>Afterdark wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Seagoat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Does this satisfy?  (9 frames, 0.90 second duration, 44KB)</p><p><img src="http://eq2.lunaclick.net/misc/seagoats-animation02.gif" border="0"></p><p>It took me less than 10 minutes to make.  </p></blockquote><p>3.5 out of the 4 is not bad. You made a clear background animation, made some lettering and took an existing animation and slaped it in there. File size is good. You have rounded lettering but not circular. I say this passes. I had little doubt that some of you here could make what I asked with little trouble. I do only see one person has taken up the challenge, I would like to see at least a couple more.</p><p>More importantly I want to thank you for helping prove my point, see how easy it is to make a signature using tools. Now combine these tools with the creative process and you have awesome looking sigs. Sure someone can say drawing something from scratch is a core part of the creative process and they would be right but also how you put images together to create a signature is a creative process in its self and can be quite a challenge, well at least to make it look good together it is. I am here to show my work, how easy it is to put together once you learn the tools but at the same time from the creative aspect how hard they are to make. Sure I still think most work I see are flat rectangular no talent signatures that hardly very from one to the other, but hey thats just my opinion.</p></blockquote>I personally have not taken you up on this challenge because I don't like animated signatures. I hate having to watch them flicker past, and I don't like my eyes being constantly alerted when something is changing. I have made animated signatures before, and they have been nice works of art so say the ones who recieved them, but it's not something I would do on a regular basis. No one is saying its simple to make a signature using tools because it isn't. What is being said here is that its simple to make YOUR signatures and similar ones, because you didn't put anything into the signatures but other peoples work and some glitter.

[ganjookie]

This thread delivers! <img src="http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/Ganjookie/internetsWIN.jpg" border="0"> I made that picture with a picture of me holding my thumb up to demonstrate how awesome the OP won the internets by.

[Amalth]

<p>Just "off the cuff" as it were, after reading this thread and happening to be a professional artist...  (Yes, I get paid for this stuff.)  </p><p>An artist stumbling upon an unauthorized use of their work has the right to take you to court and sue you over it because it is considered theft of copyrighted property.  </p><p>While you may guffaw and laugh, it is true, and it has happened.  It's happened many, many times, in fact.  Google it.</p><p>Just FYI.</p><p>*edit... As an aside, of course, and to prove that I am not blowing hot air, as it were...  here is the link to my freelance site. <a href="http://artsdesire.grimsrose.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://artsdesire.grimsrose.com/</a></p>

[Neonpink]

<p><img src="http://mysite.verizon.net/res1amr8/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/weeee.gif" border="0"></p><p>I spent a whole 15 mins on it and it would be soooo devastating if Afterdark doesn't grade my work. My entire life has been building to this moment...</p>

[Sapphirius]

<cite>Neonpink wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><img src="http://mysite.verizon.net/res1amr8/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/weeee.gif" border="0"></p><p>I spent a whole 15 mins on it and it would be soooo devastating if Afterdark doesn't grade my work. My entire life has been building to this moment...</p></blockquote><p>Two thumbs way way up. I love it. As for animated siggies... They <i>can</i> be done in a way that is both tasteful and non-distracting. Animated sigs are something of a favorite of mine, but I only animate upon request. This was my most recent one.</p><p><img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/Sapphirius/Shasa_Signature-1.gif" border="0"></p>

[Lenefir]

I know I should probably have let this thread die a peaceful death, but didn't see this thread until now <img src="/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  And with all the boasting in it... well... I just seemed to recall having seen that drawing and colouring style of the artwork before...  So, a few quick searches to refresh the memory of the Artist's name, and you can narrow it down by <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=Luis+Royo+angel" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://images.google.com/images?q=Luis+Royo+angel</a> <a href="http://images.google.com/images?q=Luis+Royo+dragon" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://images.google.com/images?q=Luis+Royo+dragon</a> Or his (Luis Royo) official site here <a href="http://www.luisroyo.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.luisroyo.com/</a> I wouldn't be surprised at all if the other Fallen Angel picture was grabbed by a similar method <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

[Afterdark]

<cite>Neonpink wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><img src="http://mysite.verizon.net/res1amr8/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/weeee.gif" border="0"></p><p>I spent a whole 15 mins on it and it would be soooo devastating if Afterdark doesn't grade my work. My entire life has been building to this moment...</p></blockquote><p>Haha I love your signature submission, thanks for being a sport. You win hands down. I also wish to thank those who have pointed out I have used others images in my signatures, they deserve all the credit for making original work. I never said they should not have credit. Will I continue to use others images, nope I don't think so. I think I have learned at least this much from this thread. Many of my signatures are original work and for now on when I make signatures I will do only that, make them totally original. Having said that I would like to point out one can find many images around the net not knowing where they came from and yes I took the liberty of using some of them with out knowing if they where original work, rehashed work or in the public domain. Its kinda like smokey the bear says, only you can prevent forest fires and only I can prevent me from using images I should not.</p><p>All in all its been a good discussion. For those I may have offended I want you to know I was only feeding a good argument so those who come after may learn first hand from all of us. I look forward to seeing more of everyones original work.</p><p>Cuffy</p>

[Cadori Seraphim]

<cite>Afterdark wrote:</cite><blockquote>Atrixia@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><p> check your ego at the door <span style="font-size: medium">and provide some real information.</span>  </p></blockquote><p> All signatures speak for them self, mine, yours, everyones. That IS the information, for it has within it everythng I need to know. Its easy to tell how one was made and for the most part how hard it was to make it. Knowing that all I am saying is its very easy to make a rectangular sig and even easier to make a rectangular animated that has a huge file size. As far as the art in signatures go I see very little original work, art is a creative process I understand and have alot of respect for, that is not the issue here. My point is my signatures are the information. My signatures have features I see nobody else using, thats why I am here.</p><p>Ok here is the challenge. I want everyone to make a average size signature with these 4 things.</p><p>1) Animated, 3 frames at least.</p><p>2) Clear background.</p><p>3) Circular lettering.</p><p>4) Not a huge file size, say less then 75 KB.</p><p>It does not need to be great or anything, it just needs to have these 4 features to show you know how to make them. If you can not do all 4 do as many as you can. If some people are the great sig makes they claim to be this should be easy.</p><p><img src="http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a368/relicsaint/Animation5.gif" border="0"></p></blockquote>Easy for you to say, you took one of Luis Royo's images (a famous artist btw, my favorite as a matter of fact, that doesnt take kindly to copyright infringement) and pasted it into your sig (something ANYone can do btw by googling his name) and added other copied pasted elements as well and popped it into some easy little animation program (such as Jasc animation) and bam you have your self a ripped piece of artwork. Need I remind you again how you ripped a famous artist off by stealing his image to make your own? There are so many people who are clueless about copyright, and then there are the others who just dont care... even after they are told that they need to get permission and/or credit the artist. 

[Sapphirius]

Let an old thread die, please.

[Cadori Seraphim]

Condoning artwork theft? I personally dont like how he butchered a piece from my favorite artist and calls it his own. I think more people could be educated about copyright. Old thread or not.

[Sapphirius]

<p>You assume too much. There is a difference between condoning something and keeping the peace.</p><p>The copyright has already been touched in this thread and in multiple other threads. This particular thread was started well over 2 months ago and has lived its life in a burning haze of disaster. Just let it die.</p>

[Grimwell]

Yes, let's end the discussion. Bringing back a dead post to stir the pot is never a good thing.