Coercer soloing heroics in 10 seconds w/out charm?

[Agaxiq]

I was reading a "nerf necros" post and came across someone saying that they (coercer) could take down any heroic in 10 seconds without using charm in any fashion. Now, I remember the whole charm mob --> suicide into heroic, but if he's not doing that - How on earth could a coercer solo a say, white con triple up in 10 seconds without the use of a pet?  (Even then, it would be questionable, IMO) I'm only 47 so I am missing all of my ancient teachings, level 50/70 spell etc, but I just dont see how we could pump out that much damage in 10 seconds, even with the synergism line. agressiv

[Ibunubi]

Where's this thread? Lol, 10 seconds you would just finish casting your reactives and begin to DoT the mob. Not to mention everything EoF heroic can double attack 1.5k each, easily.

[Agaxiq]

<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=15&topic_id=356485#top" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...356485#top </a> About 5 posts down.  I didn't want to derail the thread, so I figured I'd bring it here. When I charm a caster (best is another coercer or an illusionist) - they can nuke for a lot but they don't nuke often enough to be able to burn a mob down in 10 seconds.  Solo mob, sure, but not a non-grey triple-up.  At 47 I am almost fully mastered and have the AGI line filled.  I'm going down the INT line now and have a few points in spell crit.  I also went down the resistances line for the EoF tree and have the large Tashiana debuff at the end. My gear sucks by comparison but really for your reactives to work you need a pet since you won't be able to take the hits - and all pets will only take a few max before they die - much quicker than being able to burn down a heroic. So I'm baffled, if this is true then I just dont know how to play the class. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> agressiv

[MokiCh]

I'll have to see this before I believe it. 10 secs is pushing it even with a very high dps pet and full masters vs a green con heroic.

[WasFycksir]

I have a 47 coercer on Nagafen with all the important spells at master and imo this is BS.  One of the best pets I have found is a fury mob 42 heroic treant in RV.  And even against very green heroics in this zone it takes longer.  MAYBE if you hit a lucky streak and everything crits you may do the kill pretty quick but otherwise no.

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<p>This some new charm-trick bug but with Possession instead? Cuz otherwise, I have no idea what that guy is talking about...</p><p>Maybe he didn't mean also getting xp and loot. Cuz I can possess a mob and make him walk off or whatever.. but that's not gonna get me loot. Nor will it work with the uncharmable.</p>

[Sydias]

<p>Any heroic in 10 seconds??  At lvl 70 with 75% masters or A3s, with a corpse candle in bonemire I can barely even take down a no arrow non-heroic in 10 seconds.</p><p>Only way I can do it guaranteed is by possessing the mob and jumping them off of a cliff.  That takes about 8 seconds.</p>

[Shipwreck_GPA]

What if you ran it off the cliff then broke Charm while it was in the air? You would be on the hate list at that point.

[Sydias]

Not charm, posession.  If you possess a mob and jump it off of a really high cliff (or off an island in KoS) and break the posession in mid flight it will not come back.  It will fall to it's doom.

[Mistletoes]

<p>Look... Here is what he said:</p><p>Edgrin wrote: </p><blockquote>On my Coercer, I could solo pretty much any heroic in about 10secs or less. Now you think I mean charm it and let it die, right? Wrong. I didn't even have to use charm to accomplish this. So yeah, Necros are the best. If you say so <img src="/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p>At first I was thinking about some possession trick too, but I've never been able to get xp from letting mobs kill each other, and when you pit 2 healers against each other like that, the fight can take several minutes, so that can't be it. He said pretty much any heroic in 10s or less.</p><p>So, next I thought, Aha! He left out a word. He meant to say "... pretty much any heroic in Antonica in about 10secs or less." Nah... That couldn't be it.</p><p>Then I figured it out. Nowhere in his post did he ever say he won the fight. =D Coercer survivability vs. heroics? ~10secs sounds about right. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[MokiCh]

We have great survivability vs heroics... <i>with</i> charm <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Without charm, yeah, 10 seconds sounds about right. 5 if you're really good

[Sydias]

<p>Maybe he is specced for the Enhanced [Removed for Content] ability.  Increases size proportional to the exaggeration of ability.</p>

[Rahatmattata]

<p>I think it was a typo... what he probably meant to say was... "On my Coercer, any heroic could pretty much solo me in about 10secs or less without using charm."</p><p>Other than that is probably just a blatent lie, exagerration, hardcore exploit, or just some funky trick noone has thought of (that probably results in no xp/aa/loot/quest updates).</p>

[Tallika_Runwithbears]

i tried all sorts of ways to make this work with possession last night...  no good.  I think this person is full of it.

[Cersiana]

<p><span style="color: #33ffcc; font-family: comic sans ms,sand">I wanna know who this person is. Random person not naming thier toon boasting about something that pretty unheard of = I don't believ this person can do it. </span></p>

[Tobby]

Well considering this player is posting from an account that has not been played since Feb of this year and the highest char on that account was a lvl 26 brig I would hold it suspect. He also did not say what level heroics he was taking down either, or what level his char is.

[Jesdyr]

I can tank red ^^^ heroics with my coercer ... Soloing them only takes like 2 sec  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Tallika_Runwithbears]

2 seconds??  what are you doing??  going to the fridge for a soda?  i can solo a red ^^^ in half the time.  ...nobody said i had to win, right??

[RFMan]

You guys all suck.  I started my coercer yesterday, he's level 12, and I take down level 75 epic x2 mobs in a time only measureable in nanoseconds.  You obviously don't know how to play your class, guys.

[Sydias]

You guys haven't beatin Nagafen yet???  <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Tallika_Runwithbears]

<cite>Sydias wrote:</cite><blockquote>You guys haven't beatin Nagafen yet???  <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>I use Naggy as my new mount...

[Jesdyr]

<cite>RFMan wrote:</cite><blockquote>You guys all suck.  I started my coercer yesterday, he's level 12, and I take down level 75 epic x2 mobs in a time only measureable in nanoseconds.  You obviously don't know how to play your class, guys. </blockquote> I remeber once i wanted to see if I could Mez the Avatar of Hate ...   he hit me for about 10x my HP at the time. At that point my guildmates were really questioning my sanity .. now it is almost expected of me to do such things. You only die .. er.. Death only last as long as it takes to respawn !  You! Back in the Respawn queue !

[Fawlyn]

<p>I can solo a mob in 10 sec as a coercer without a pet. It's called incinerate lol.</p><p>Otherwise it can take 15-20 seconds if the heroic has around 25k-30k hp.</p>

[Cattastrophy]

<cite>Fawlyn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I can solo a mob in 10 sec as a coercer without a pet. It's called incinerate lol.</p><p>Otherwise it can take 15-20 seconds if the heroic has around 25k-30k hp.</p></blockquote><p>Aye, the only way to kill any heroic THAT quickly is Incinerate, possession jump or Suicide charm... unless it's like a level 4 Heroic. ~_^ (And even SCharming takes like 15 ~ 30sec at most.)</p><p>Full of it... yeah full of something. lol </p>

[Obsidiann]

How are you guys getting them to suicide jump? I've tried jumping them off the cliff and canceling possession as soon as they're off, but they always snap back to their spawn position. I've been able to do it places like butcherblock where the fall is far enough for them to die from fall damage, but in places where it's a long fall or an infinitely long fall (such as bonemire) they only snap back to their position, regardless of whether or not I cancel possession.

[Sydias]

<p>They may have changed something in the LU (I haven't tried since tuesday), but I was able to do it just last weekend.  </p>

[Verrie77]

I tried it in Bonemire the other day...works...but not in Tenerbough Tangle for example....they jump back up..i felt it too.