when do we get the spot light?

[FiknonTheGreat]

I've been playing eq2 for about 2 years now and have played a cleric from the begining I started on PVE and went to pvp when it came out with my guild. bcak then in the good ol' days a templar was the healer of choice ever since then it seems like we are just outdated our ways are dying. We cant compete in pvp like everyone else and no one really wants a templar in a regular group. Im not a hardcore player because i just dont have the time i wish i could. personally we need a refresh something new to give us a little edge in non hardcore playing. I love clerics and i shouldnt be deterred because im not like the 12 year old kids that play for 80 hours a week. Im not saying we suck or anything i can hold my own easily but we just sorta drift behind everyone else. and another thing does any one know the last time the templar got some love? because i dont think that ive ever noticed a significant change.

[dancemice]

<p>I don't know about you but i get asked for groups all the time. I get also get invites to groups that come randomly out of the blue...</p><p>As far as templar pvp. I say Sir, that while a templar may take a while to kill things, He's quite adaquate when it comes to pvp. Waaay back when the first expansion was released (Level 50ish) I had no problems dualing allmost any class (Though, These days you really need to survive the first big nuke of wizards and furies) and life only got slow on a templar vrs templar (Or worse, a templar vrs paladin) fight.</p><p>Life is what you make of it. I've had some insanly high dps amounts in the right circumstances - and have appeared in the top 10 parse of some raids..</p><p>Gone are the days of fire off a intersession and walk away, To heal effectivly you have to be on the ball, Get known as a lazy healer (Or innattentive one) and watch those invites dry up..  The templar isn't about hitting a couple of buttons.. You'll hit more then just a couple on any given fight.</p><p>-B-</p><p>70/66 Templar.</p>

[EQPrime]

<cite>FiknonTheGreat wrote:</cite><blockquote>and another thing does any one know the last time the templar got some love? because i dont think that ive ever noticed a significant change. </blockquote><p> I think our last change was when involuntary went from just healing the mob's target to healing everyone nearby.  This was a pretty nice boost.  </p><p>I get group invites all the time, especially for places like Nizara, Mistmoore Castle, and Unrest.  I think we're doing fine just the way we are.</p>

[Pentarian]

This is my first post so it maybe a bit dull.I do finding the Templar class is the spotlight,whw do you think gives the monster health buffs,Also,who is the one delivering the massive heals.We have a very good mixture of stoneskin,Regens,and massive healing ability.If you pick your AA's right the hole group well benefit more than a MT group would.You ever feel like there is no spotlight for the  Templar class, just look at that heal parse after a massive mob encounter and GLEAM when your outta MT group and you make 1st thru third healing your [Removed for Content] off,thats my personal pleasure knowing that outta all those healing classes in MT group that have more opportunities to heal have come in last and you being a templar are on top!

[Occam]

FiknonTheGreat wrote: <blockquote><p>We cant compete in pvp like everyone else and no one really wants a templar in a regular group. </p></blockquote><p>Huh? I don't know about you, but I never have any trouble finding group. In fact, most nights I get multiple random tells from people looking for a templar.</p><p>As far as PvP goes, I'm not an authoritative source as I play on a blue server. However, I love dueling or fighting in the arena and I can beat most classes. Swashies pwn me, but I if I'm on the ball I can make them really work for it. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[ParlMoebius]

<cite>FiknonTheGreat wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've been playing eq2 for about 2 years now and have played a cleric from the begining I started on PVE and went to pvp when it came out with my guild. bcak then in the good ol' days a templar was the healer of choice ever since then it seems like we are just outdated our ways are dying. We cant compete in pvp like everyone else and no one really wants a templar in a regular group. </blockquote>Yeah, you might have a hard time finding people to agree with you on the unwanted tip... I dont know, maybe the server population differences is part of it, maybe its just way different in PvP.  No problem finding groups.  We bring plenty to the table.

[RustyB]

<cite>FiknonTheGreat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I've been playing eq2 for about 2 years now and have played a cleric from the begining I started on PVE and went to pvp when it came out with my guild. bcak then in the good ol' days a templar was the healer of choice</p></blockquote><p> haha  that's strange.   The subject is  "When do we get the spot light?", but you answered the question within the first three sentences.  You guys had the spotlight in T5.  but honestly you guys still do have this so called "spotlight"</p><p> Templars owned in t5  they owned in t6 and they still own in t7  and I don't even play a templar.  I actually play the Templars Number 1 competition for being the most powerful of all the healer folk.  a Defiler. </p><p>I really don't see what problems you're having with your class?  Templars from Teir 5 all the way to Teir 15 will be the most respected healer classes in eq2.  (when it come to straight healing)  Now I read a little about pvp in your post, but come on now dude...   it's pvp   who picks a Templar for PVP   unless they indended to do more then run around and PK all night?</p><p>I just don't understand  how you want to be in the spotlight...   Do you want more dps or something?   scored a sweet little hammer at 65 didn't you?   I know that's not uber dps, but it's something.  that hammer would prolly help a bit in pvp too wouldn't it?  your group gets the pc knocks em down to 5% health he/she runs  and you sic your little hammer friend?  haha  I do know it's pretty darn useful for pulling mobs in raid zones and such  to avoid roamers..</p><p>every class pretty much in eq2land   has had it's abilities tweaked one way or another.  Now I'm not sure if they have gone through all the classes yet though, but I do know of several classes who have been nerfed because of their uberness.  Being in the spotlight just ends up your class getting f'n nerfed.   Look at Guardians in T5   they were [I cannot control my vocabulary] near gods.  what about Bruisers and Necros in T6.  Now I'm just speaking from solo aspects.</p>

[Bjerde]

Templars owned in T5 and have paid for it ever since, lol. Shamans owned in T6 after Wards were fixed. Everything was poison and disease and raids needed their buffs and wards. Defilers and Templars are neck and neck for being the best healers. It makes a difference when raiding or just grouping and I think that all healers are fine grouping and the Templar actually excels there. The Templar doesn't get many changes because they are a strong class. I played one for a long time, and eventually got bored of being a Templar so I am taking a break. Involuntary Restoration was a big bump for Templars and kept me playing a little longer. In PvP Druids are king. There are not many Templars so people probably aren't as used to using them. They are still great and there is nothing wrong with them, it is just people perceptions on the class in the PvP realm. It is all about damage and Templars don't do much to increase damage for a group, but the buffs are great as well as the heal procs. Hammer Pet...[Removed for Content]....that thing is the worst fing pet...ever....Defile just might be a little better ;]  Hardly ever use it in raids unless no pet class (very rare) and it works as good as your little doggy.

[SenorPhrog]

<cite>RustyB wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>FiknonTheGreat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I've been playing eq2 for about 2 years now and have played a cleric from the begining I started on PVE and went to pvp when it came out with my guild. bcak then in the good ol' days a templar was the healer of choice</p></blockquote><p> haha  that's strange.   The subject is  "When do we get the spot light?", but you answered the question within the first three sentences.  You guys had the spotlight in T5.  but honestly you guys still do have this so called "spotlight"</p><p> Templars owned in t5  they owned in t6 and they still own in t7  and I don't even play a templar.  I actually play the Templars Number 1 competition for being the most powerful of all the healer folk.  a Defiler. </p><p>I really don't see what problems you're having with your class?  Templars from Teir 5 all the way to Teir 15 will be the most respected healer classes in eq2.  (when it come to straight healing)  Now I read a little about pvp in your post, but come on now dude...   it's pvp   who picks a Templar for PVP   unless they indended to do more then run around and PK all night?</p><p>I just don't understand  how you want to be in the spotlight...   Do you want more dps or something?   scored a sweet little hammer at 65 didn't you?   I know that's not uber dps, but it's something.  that hammer would prolly help a bit in pvp too wouldn't it?  your group gets the pc knocks em down to 5% health he/she runs  and you sic your little hammer friend?  haha  I do know it's pretty darn useful for pulling mobs in raid zones and such  to avoid roamers..</p><p>every class pretty much in eq2land   has had it's abilities tweaked one way or another.  Now I'm not sure if they have gone through all the classes yet though, but I do know of several classes who have been nerfed because of their uberness.  Being in the spotlight just ends up your class getting f'n nerfed.   Look at Guardians in T5   they were [I cannot control my vocabulary] near gods.  what about Bruisers and Necros in T6.  Now I'm just speaking from solo aspects.</p></blockquote><p>Not that I agree Templars "need the spotlight" ...</p><p>I completely agree Templars do own.  It's why you always see a Templar in the MT group of a raid.  No other healer can say that.  </p><p>I don't see any class having a spotlight.  I do disagree with you a Templar should be useful in PvP just like every other class otherwise there is an imbalance and no reason to play them.  </p>

[FiknonTheGreat]

ok you guys are probly most deffinently right about what you are saying. and i guess i was to tired the night i wrote this and left out the actual problem. up until you get to T5 templars arent really the best we dont have any of our good spells and we cant do anything as efficiently as anyone else below 30 or so i just recently hit 42 and im just not getting some better healing and damage with my 30 AAs. i dont think the templar should have to hold out so long for some of their main spells. o and about the pvp thing its not that im out to pvp but when some freep runs up to me and i get him all the way red and he just calmly wanders off its bull that i cant do anything about it.

[RustyB]

<cite>FiknonTheGreat wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok you guys are probly most deffinently right about what you are saying. and i guess i was to tired the night i wrote this and left out the actual problem. up until you get to T5 templars arent really the best we dont have any of our good spells and we cant do anything as efficiently as anyone else below 30 or so i just recently hit 42 and im just not getting some better healing and damage with my 30 AAs. i dont think the templar should have to hold out so long for some of their main spells. o and about the pvp thing its not that im out to pvp but when some freep runs up to me and i get him all the way red and he just calmly wanders off its bull that i cant do anything about it. </blockquote><p> ok now that I have a little more background on you and your situation.  I can tell you this much...   Alot of classes can seem dull  from 1 - 40ish.  from 40 and up though that's when each class really begins to grow. </p><p>The templar class though in PvE is one of the (if not) the best healing healers of the 6.  In raids if I'm not warding the heck out of the MT the templar is  and tbh  does pretty darn good job of it.</p><p>what you said in your last statement can be said by alot of different classes though.  I've read post after post about how much of a drag it is  knocking a pc down to red and then they bail.  You hear it from alot fo the classes, but I imaging its prolly much worse for healers (other than maybe furies)   That's prolly something you're just going to have to accept  especially if you're ridin' solo.  tbh  unless the person you're fighting really doesnt' care about living. you'll prolly never be able to kill a pc unless you have them in a corner or something where they can't make a fast getaway.</p>

[Gagla]

<cite>RustyB wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That's prolly something you're just going to have to accept  especially if you're ridin' solo.  tbh  unless the person you're fighting really doesnt' care about living. you'll prolly never be able to kill a pc unless you have them in a corner or something where they can't make a <b>slow</b> getaway.</p></blockquote><p> Fixed your post</p><p>=p</p>

[Occam]

Gaglaak@Vox wrote: <blockquote><p>RustyB wrote:</p><p> Fixed your post</p><p>=p</p></blockquote> No you didn't. RustyB wrote exactly what he meant to say.

[Kendricke]

<cite>Bjerde wrote:</cite><blockquote> In PvP Druids are king. There are not many Templars so people probably aren't as used to using them. They are still great and there is nothing wrong with them, it is just people perceptions on the class in the PvP realm. It is all about damage and Templars don't do much to increase damage for a group, but the buffs are great as well as the heal procs. </blockquote><p>I know you didn't mention going head to head with Furies, but I can't help but point out that there's nothing like taking on a druid in PVP.  I love stunning them, then walking up and slamming them with hammer smite, then continuing to whale on them  with a nicely adorned 2-hander(what with the 100% melee criticals, 20% double attacks, 40%+ haste, and 40%+ DPS).  They pull out root, I counter with Sanctuary (haha!).  They keep trying spells, I call up the hammer pet (which stuns) and I just keep running up and smashing/stunning them.  </p><p>It's not that hard to take out Furies on PVP if that's your goal.  Adjust your tactics and achievements and you too can be a killing machine.    </p><p>Bjerde wrote: </p><blockquote>Hammer Pet...[Removed for Content]....that thing is the worst fing pet...ever....Defile just might be a little better ;]  Hardly ever use it in raids unless no pet class (very rare) and it works as good as your little doggy. </blockquote><p>It may only add 60-100 DPS...but boy do I love the stun it uses.  You do realize it stuns, right?  </p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>One of the scariest PvP'ers on my server ...is a Templar.  The other scariest PvP'er is an Inquisitor.  Clerics do juuuust fiiiiine.</p><p>I have a 70 PvP Warden and Defiler..and a 70 PvE Templar (and 70 PvE raiding Warden).    Of the 3, Defiler is the most appreciated (since Defilers aren't very easy to level in PvP and therefore rare), but Templar runs a very close second, even on a Blue server.   If I was a Templar on a PvP server, I'd have rose petals strewn at my feet.  Warden, although versatile, is not the class that is most needed of the 3.</p><p>I have seen many posts from Templars stating that the days of Uberness are over - and I just don't see it.  Sure, I remember T5 raiding as both Warden and Templar...those were golden days for sure.   But life isn't over!</p>

[Kizee]

<p>I don't want to be in the spotlight. </p><p>When classes are in the spotlight they get nerfed. <img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[FiknonTheGreat]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bjerde wrote:</cite><blockquote> In PvP Druids are king. There are not many Templars so people probably aren't as used to using them. They are still great and there is nothing wrong with them, it is just people perceptions on the class in the PvP realm. It is all about damage and Templars don't do much to increase damage for a group, but the buffs are great as well as the heal procs. </blockquote><p>I know you didn't mention going head to head with Furies, but I can't help but point out that there's nothing like taking on a druid in PVP.  I love stunning them, then walking up and slamming them with hammer smite, then continuing to whale on them  with a nicely adorned 2-hander(what with the 100% melee criticals, 20% double attacks, 40%+ haste, and 40%+ DPS).  They pull out root, I counter with Sanctuary (haha!).  They keep trying spells, I call up the hammer pet (which stuns) and I just keep running up and smashing/stunning them.  </p><p>It's not that hard to take out Furies on PVP if that's your goal.  Adjust your tactics and achievements and you too can be a killing machine.    </p><p>Bjerde wrote: </p><blockquote>Hammer Pet...[Removed for Content]....that thing is the worst fing pet...ever....Defile just might be a little better ;]  Hardly ever use it in raids unless no pet class (very rare) and it works as good as your little doggy. </blockquote><p>It may only add 60-100 DPS...but boy do I love the stun it uses.  You do realize it stuns, right?  </p></blockquote>See there is a great strategy and it seems like a dam awsome one basically like an i win button against druids so guess im just gonna wait till i have sanctuary and hammer before i can start pvping or find a group well thanks for the great tip to look forward to when i get up there 43 templar Halel

[Kendricke]

<p>In the meantime, go STR/AGI from the basic cleric achievements.  Pick up Skull Bash and Bolt of Power sooner than later, then get your Wonderous Buckling.  Get a nice 1 hander plus buckler combination and you just added interrupts, skill debuffing, and a straight mezmerization to your repitoire.  Bet that'll surprise a few druids...</p>