How Fast is too Fast for leveling.

[BortonX]

<p>I have started 2 boxing a brand new Warden with my 57 Pally.  I have been mentoring the pally down to the Warden and doing quests and going after mobs in Ant mostly.  I am gaining a level about every 20 minutes on the warden.  In 4 nights, of 2-3 hours of play.   I have taken him from 7 to 26.   I am not concerned about missing content, I have 3 other alts on my main account that are all in their 50's and I have been playing for 2 years.  I am trying to get a working duo to see the higher level areas.  My concern is that I am not increasing my skills (crushing, evocation, ministration, etc) at the same rate, and might be missing out on AA's because the discovery or quest becomes green or grey.  </p><p> Is there any benefit to suspending EXP to get it all caught up now, or should I just get up to the 50's and play catch up then?  What is the experience of others who 2 box?</p><p>Thanks, Bulvai</p>

[-AtPlay-]

<cite>BortonX wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have started 2 boxing a brand new Warden with my 57 Pally.  I have been mentoring the pally down to the Warden and doing quests and going after mobs in Ant mostly.  I am gaining a level about every 20 minutes on the warden.  In 4 nights, of 2-3 hours of play.   I have taken him from 7 to 26.   I am not concerned about missing content, I have 3 other alts on my main account that are all in their 50's and I have been playing for 2 years.  I am trying to get a working duo to see the higher level areas.  My concern is that I am not increasing my skills (crushing, evocation, ministration, etc) at the same rate, and might be missing out on AA's because the discovery or quest becomes green or grey.  </p><p> Is there any benefit to suspending EXP to get it all caught up now, or should I just get up to the 50's and play catch up then?  What is the experience of others who 2 box?</p><p>Thanks, Bulvai</p></blockquote>What I do with my healer is take them through the harclave every 3 or 4 levels.  I can max out defense, combat, and spellcasting skills in one go.  Paly and Warden eh?  The mobs are more likely to die from exhaustion than damage done...<img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Sir_Halbarad]

<cite>-AtPlay- wrote:</cite><blockquote>  Paly and Warden eh?  The mobs are more likely to die from exhaustion than damage done...<img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> LOL But I agree, a more offensive Priest might be better... A Fury or Inquisitor might be better (I'd take Fury because of grp invis, ports and the fact that they wear leather which is cheaper than plate if you want to get mastercrafted gear).

[BortonX]

<p>Yeah, there have been times I have fallen asleep during combat. </p><p>   I ended up going Warden because I had experience with the ins and outs of the class.  I didn't want to learn 2 boxing AND a new class at the same time.  Might be time to betray the warden over to a fury though.  The group invis might be nice (a little extra DPS can't hurt either)  I will say though, I have taken down 18 white conned mobs at once with this pair (3 groups of 6, gnolls near BB)  You just can't kill that pair.</p><p> Do you loose your AA points if you betray?</p><p> Bulvai</p>

[bensilvi]

<p>No you keep your AA.</p><p>Also for leveling up skills, have the tank hold the mobs and beat on them with the healer to get your skills up. I 2box a lot and do this when getting a new team together.</p>

[Kaku99]

<p>I've played a fury and a warden.  Furies can do twice the damage wardens do, especially against groups (they have 2 AoE lines vs 1 for wardens).  Furies also have an intelligence buff that further increases their spell damage.  Their group invis is a very useful feature.  Wardens get evac.  Evac can be a handy transportation spell occasionally however since so many classes have evac, you can usually get one when you need it from another group member.  Invis is an indispensible traveling spell.</p><p> To be successful as a duo, you will eventually need to be able to do a significant amount of damage.   This becomes much more apparent as you reach higher levels.  The mobs have massive amounts of HPs.   Heroics fall into the same category.</p>

[-AtPlay-]

<cite>BortonX wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yeah, there have been times I have fallen asleep during combat. </p><p>   I ended up going Warden because I had experience with the ins and outs of the class.  I didn't want to learn 2 boxing AND a new class at the same time.  Might be time to betray the warden over to a fury though.  The group invis might be nice (a little extra DPS can't hurt either)  I will say though, I have taken down 18 white conned mobs at once with this pair (3 groups of 6, gnolls near BB)  You just can't kill that pair.</p> </blockquote>I have duo'd Warden, Fury, Inquisitor, Mystic, and Defiler...if the main tank can dps, then Warden is great.  If the tank is a little on the wimpy side (Im looking at you Mr. Paladin), then Fury all the way.  There really isnt much to learn if you are going from Warden to Fury...the damage is roughly 2x, and the healing is roughly 1/2.  Especially with a Paly, you should have more than enough healing to cover a Fury.  Id either betray and go SK/Warden or Paly/Fury.

[Ciarr]

<cite>-AtPlay- wrote:</cite><blockquote>BortonX wrote: There really isnt much to learn if you are going from Warden to Fury...the damage is roughly 2x, and the healing is roughly 1/2.  Especially with a Paly, you should have more than enough healing to cover a Fury.  Id either betray and go SK/Warden or Paly/Fury. </blockquote><p>it's essentially the same class with a renamed spells (about 80%) 20% spells are unique, but it's nowere close to 2x or 1/2. </p><p>On a single target they are about even, on multiple targets fury has an edge, the real difference is that fury can further enhence nukes while warden can only go melee route for more DPS with AA which makes it really difficult to collect right equipment (str+wis is not uncommon but usually requires sacrifices)</p><p>as far as healing goes it depends on player, I know many furies suck badly at healing, but it has nothing to do with a class, especially past 52 when furies have 3 direct heals on separate timers and gets even better past 58 they have 2 group heals on separate timers (plus single and group HoT like wardens), of course many players are so used to nuking that they never learn to use heals properly...</p><p>if I were you I would betray both, I can't think about better combo than SK+fury</p><p>on the main subject, if you mentor and do quests 90% of time you should be just fine (AA-wise), leveling slows down while AA comes 'faster' in the middle levels (30-50), leveling on quests people usually approach 70AA in late 50s (with xp on) so nothing to worry about</p>

[deKoven]

Hmmm, okay, call me dumb. I don't understand "2 boxing" as a term. Is this just having 2 chars and playing each in turn or is there some way to have them both "on air" at the same time? Sigh! So much to learn, so little time to do. I play for 5 to 7 hours each day but still am constantly running into situations and definitions that I don't understand. <img src="/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rijacki]

<cite>deKoven wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmmm, okay, call me dumb. I don't understand "2 boxing" as a term. Is this just having 2 chars and playing each in turn or is there some way to have them both "on air" at the same time? Sigh! So much to learn, so little time to do. I play for 5 to 7 hours each day but still am constantly running into situations and definitions that I don't understand. <img src="/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> 2 boxing is having 2 accounts and then having both log on at the same time (either on one computer or 2) and playing them together.  Boxing is different than "botting" since the player actively plays both character.  If someone is playing 2 or more characters and is using 3rd party software to automate or assist, then it's "botting" and against the EULA.  If someone is actively playing 2 or more accounts (not using 3rd party software), then it's boxing or hydra and is completely withing the rules (EULA).  Bots usually have pre-programmed movements not actually based on what they're doing (like casters constantly casting even when there's not a mob in sight). I have 2 accounts and 2 computers.  There are times I have them logged on at the same time, but generally not to play them together actively but only usually to take care of a task on one while waiting for something on the other or to have a lower level character to mentor to for quest turn-ins.  I -suck- at true boxing and won't inflict it on a group. There are some very talented boxers around and you'd be hard pressed to notice the characters are not played by 2 people (even in a group).  However, most boxers have one "primary" that's mostly played and the others support that  character in limited capacity whether in "solo" (one player vs one character) or group (with other players).

[Controlor]

Personally since i play a 70 paladin myself i would go with fury / paladin.... The fury will boost dps of both themselves and you. And that team makes GREAT aoe duo. The int buff boosts your dmg as well as theirs. Furys get good aoe. And paladins well Crusaders in general = AOE. Paladin specially with wrath tree which boosts all your aoe dmg by 25% and throw int tree in with spell crit at close to 70% just from aa and all but 1 aoe is effected by the spell crit (doom judgment is melee dmg not spell dmg). So with fury / paladin great team the paladin can help keep himself alive so you dont need as much healing from a fury (again int line giving the heal crit chance at over 65%). And take that team out to multi mob heroic hunting. Fast kills all the way.

[Nuhus]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote> I -suck- at true boxing and won't inflict it on a group. </blockquote> Hehe, I was mentoring in the ruins I think two boxing. Someone was after the same mobs. lol I definately warned them of what was up. Ended up with a group of 5, 2 of which was me. Once I got the hang of it in a group it wasn't too bad. But uhh.. did die a little bit at the start. They were very patient with me. After we got rolling though, it went really well.

[Of_mice_and_men]

<p>I two box constantly.  Personally I would have created a new character to level your Warden/Fury.  It may take a little longer but like you said you will have time to take advantage of the content.  Also, when you're finished with that pairing so you can level and see the higher end stuff with you Pala you will have yet another alt in the 50's.</p><p>My boxing combo at the moment is fury and assassin.  There is very little I can't do with this combo (obvious heroic stuff is hard to do at the right level with any combo) so really a tank/healer pairing isn't really required.</p><p>Both mine dinged 65 last night within a minute of each other.</p><p>Next pair will be Pala and defiler I think.</p>

[Adrynyn]

Since this topic began along the lines of leveling, seems to be a good place to ask this... I've constantly heard talk from my friends (and enemies) that it's possible to get a toon up to L40+ in a matter of hours. Now, I've been with the game for about three or four months, and I've learned a lot of lessons from a lot of people, but I've yet to learn how this is meant to be accomplished. I've been through quite a few toons for the amount of time I've been playing, and while I don't mind leveling through quests (which seems to go fairly quickly), I get bored doing ones I've done several times before, but grinding seems to take forever. The weird thing is that I purchased a L55 Berserker and noticed he had completed very few quests, and yet there he was at L55 already. I prefer to solo as much as possible and am trying to level a Swashbuckler (soon to be Brigand as I'm in the process of betraying Kelethin to Freeport). Can anyone please offer me some tips on how to level him quickly? I guess I could resort to a mentor if need be, but I'm curious to know if this is necessary. Just for the record, I would prefer to build my slashing etc skills, so while I have two PC's and three accounts (actually the other two belong to my wife and brother but I pay for and use toons on them), I'm not really interested in multi-boxing my way up the level tree...

[Decad]

<p>It's not that hard at all. Get yourself in a good full group, and head into a challenging area, and you should ding at least once in a few hours at the least. </p><p>Case in point, I've gotten about 80% of a level just trying to get Bloodtalon to spawn in TS. And that's not even really trying to create a body count of Mobs. That's me mostly killing green heroics solo, and then some grouping with others who came along.</p><p>Additionally, something I also do is get as many quests as you can for the zone your working in. Look at them all, and figure out a plan to tackle them all collectively. For instance, in Nek I picked up everything at the CL zone, the docks area, got the quests at the beaver island, and from the peeps up at bone lake. Therefore, I was able to work my best at knocking out quests that needed the same mobs. You work more effieciently that way, and get nice xp from killing stuff, as well as xp and aaxp from quest completions.</p><p>However, there is one area I would love the Devs to relook at are the quests that require random drops. These quests end up giving you a lot of xp (so not complaining there so much) from killing tons of mobs to get x number of random drops that never seem to be rewarded to you. Now in my opinion and  for my play style of enjoying to do quests, these quests have the unfortunate effect leveling you up too quickly, which then can have the effect of greying out quests which I typically will delete from my journal.</p><p>There's a quest from EFP, I think from Kristah maybe, that asks for 8 random drop from Firelight Shrillers in Nek. I think I had to go through the whole crew that are on the hilltop next to the owlbears 3 times on my latest run through on that quest with my necro just recently. That might be something on the order of 40+ shrillers for 8 drops. I can only imagine what I got xp wise for that. Now that's good, but again I also think it kind of stinks at the same time.</p>

[Adrynyn]

Thanks for the info...it's starting to become evident that it's going to take some grouping to get the leveling done quickly. I was hoping to avoid that to some extent. I've been a guild leader for several months, and as of the other day, I'd had enough of the management and baby-sitting aspects of being guild leader and removed all my toons, appointed new leaders, and kicked my main from the guild. Trying to get a break from grouping for a while, but I guess you can only go so far that way. I definitely won't be hitting Level 67 any time soon, which is my ultimate goal...

[Illmarr]

<cite>BortonX wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have started 2 boxing a brand new Warden with my 57 Pally.  I have been mentoring the pally down to the Warden and doing quests and going after mobs in Ant mostly.  I am gaining a level about every 20 minutes on the warden.  In 4 nights, of 2-3 hours of play.   I have taken him from 7 to 26.   I am not concerned about missing content, I have 3 other alts on my main account that are all in their 50's and I have been playing for 2 years.  I am trying to get a working duo to see the higher level areas.  My concern is that I am not increasing my skills (crushing, evocation, ministration, etc) at the same rate, and might be missing out on AA's because the discovery or quest becomes green or grey.  </p><p> Is there any benefit to suspending EXP to get it all caught up now, or should I just get up to the 50's and play catch up then?  What is the experience of others who 2 box?</p><p>Thanks, Bulvai</p></blockquote><p>Well, "missing out on content" will mean missing out on AA from Discoveries/named/loot. Yes, you can always grab another toon and mentor down once up there, but that's not the way I would do it myself. Just look at all the posts from people that were 70/50 when EoF came out about how new Fae are hitting 100 AA before them for all you need to know about how much AA is possible at lower levels. When it rains freebies, you're foolish not to catch as much as you can.</p><p>I found that just through normal play that Ministration and Evocation went up with no problems. On my Warden I had to remember to snare and root to catch my Subjugation up and keep it maxed. I could be wrong, but don't you have to be getting hit to have a chance for Focus to raise? (I solo writs in Steamfont a lot with a Strength spec on my Warden, so this isn't an issue for me) Ordination, unless I'm totally wrong doesn't seem to be too important to combat, so I just let it go at it's own pace.</p><p>I know most prefer Fury to Warden, and with a Paladin tank it's probably the way to go, but invis totems are a couple of gold and last I checked there is no evac totem. </p>