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TheStateFish

04-18-2007, 06:12 PM

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hellswrath@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>I think 45% is reasonable. Why should you do a higher level quest line than the CQ and get a mount that not only isn't any faster, but goes more slowly in reverse? There should be a stat bonus or additional runspeed on this mount. As a side note, I think runspeed for the higher guild level mounts should be faster anyway, since there are characters who can beat 50% runspeed. They really need to take a good look at difficulty of achievement in getting a guild to 60 vs the reward compared to the other mounts.However, kudos to SOE for finally putting in another non-horse mount!</blockquote> Your point is well taken but a little off track. Yes, there is a sizable accomplishment in getting a guild to 60; HOWEVER, it takes no effort to get into an existing guild. With regards to guild rewards there is no sliding scale in the security of it, only "allow to buy rewards or not". You can be a level 1, join a level 60 guild, buy some gold and be running around with a top end mount and all the goodies that go with it. How is that an accomplishment?There should be a way for either the guild leaders to restrict what level of guild reward you can purchase as a member (which may or may not solve this issue but could be allowed for alts of those who have contributed) OR a sliding scale built into the game which requires the player to have contributed a certain amount of SP before those guild rewards open up. Then you could say they had earned them.</blockquote> Your point against his point is off track. Without the sizable accomplishment of the guild to hit 60, noone could later join said guild to reap the benefits. Saying it takes no effort to get into a level 60 guild is also false, unless there are level 60 guilds throwing blind invites at everyone in QH, but I don't see that happening on my server. Usually you have to apply to join a guild in some form or another. There also already is a system in place for guild leaders to restrict which ranks are allowed to buy status items including mounts. That said, my thought is that guild level 60 mounts should be at least 75% run speed, the carpet should be kept at 40% and the new mounts should be at least 50% as they are quested, cost money, and are a full tier higher than the carpet. If you are running through a zone with class x, y, or z, you're running faster than the level 60 guild mounts already, negating owning any existing mount including the new warg.

Hellswrath

04-18-2007, 06:20 PM

Prof@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hellswrath@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>I think 45% is reasonable. Why should you do a higher level quest line than the CQ and get a mount that not only isn't any faster, but goes more slowly in reverse? There should be a stat bonus or additional runspeed on this mount. As a side note, I think runspeed for the higher guild level mounts should be faster anyway, since there are characters who can beat 50% runspeed. They really need to take a good look at difficulty of achievement in getting a guild to 60 vs the reward compared to the other mounts.However, kudos to SOE for finally putting in another non-horse mount!</blockquote> Your point is well taken but a little off track. Yes, there is a sizable accomplishment in getting a guild to 60; HOWEVER, it takes no effort to get into an existing guild. With regards to guild rewards there is no sliding scale in the security of it, only "allow to buy rewards or not". You can be a level 1, join a level 60 guild, buy some gold and be running around with a top end mount and all the goodies that go with it. How is that an accomplishment?There should be a way for either the guild leaders to restrict what level of guild reward you can purchase as a member (which may or may not solve this issue but could be allowed for alts of those who have contributed) OR a sliding scale built into the game which requires the player to have contributed a certain amount of SP before those guild rewards open up. Then you could say they had earned them.</blockquote> Your point against his point is off track. Without the sizable accomplishment of the guild to hit 60, noone could later join said guild to reap the benefits. Saying it takes no effort to get into a level 60 guild is also false, unless there are level 60 guilds throwing blind invites at everyone in QH, but I don't see that happening on my server. Usually you have to apply to join a guild in some form or another. There also already is a system in place for guild leaders to restrict which ranks are allowed to buy status items including mounts. That said, my thought is that guild level 60 mounts should be at least 75% run speed, the carpet should be kept at 40% and the new mounts should be at least 50% as they are quested, cost money, and are a full tier higher than the carpet. If you are running through a zone with class x, y, or z, you're running faster than the level 60 guild mounts already, negating owning any existing mount including the new warg.</blockquote> My thoughts exactly. I just didn't think SOE would loosen up enough to fix the fact that we've been stuck at near 48% for mounts since the game came out, but character run buffs have progressed to the point where they are now faster than mounts. So I figured 45% would be decent for this new mount with the way the broken system stands.

Cocytus

04-18-2007, 07:33 PM

I think the mount should be free. Nerfs are completely uncalled for in regards to the old carpet.Mounts have always been a waste of money compared to other things it could be spent on, save for those who have plenty of money to waste. I am not one of those people.I'm never going to use a mount unless it's free or extremely cheap and at least 40%, because I can reach 34% without the aid of any mounts.So what's the point of putting in an extremely expensive mount? Not many people are actually going to actually get it if it costs a lot of money, as opposed to many going after it if it does not cost money, or is cheap. No point in putting in content that a large percentage of the population is going to ignore, IMO, so *shrug* tone it down.I also think that it should be a higher runspeed than the DOF mount, as it's a higher level quest, and a higher tier expansion.Yeah...I'm sorry to all you people who spent 10p, 19p, or whatever on mounts...But that was your choice to spend so much money on something that *seriously* is not worth that much. Use your heads. Is 48% runspeed and a small, relatively insignificant buff, really worth 19p? Nope.I've said all along they're a waste of money when you could be spending that money on other things - repair kits, adept IIIs and masters, consumeable items in genereal, upgrades....etc.Just as 48% runspeed and a small, insignificant buff is not worth 19p, neither is this warg worth 10p.

Talz

04-18-2007, 10:24 PM

<cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the mount should be free. Nerfs are completely uncalled for in regards to the old carpet.Mounts have always been a waste of money compared to other things it could be spent on, save for those who have plenty of money to waste. I am not one of those people.I'm never going to use a mount unless it's free or extremely cheap and at least 40%, because I can reach 34% without the aid of any mounts.So what's the point of putting in an extremely expensive mount? Not many people are actually going to actually get it if it costs a lot of money, as opposed to many going after it if it does not cost money, or is cheap. No point in putting in content that a large percentage of the population is going to ignore, IMO, so *shrug* tone it down.I also think that it should be a higher runspeed than the DOF mount, as it's a higher level quest, and a higher tier expansion.Yeah...I'm sorry to all you people who spent 10p, 19p, or whatever on mounts...But that was your choice to spend so much money on something that *seriously* is not worth that much. Use your heads. Is 48% runspeed and a small, relatively insignificant buff, really worth 19p? Nope.I've said all along they're a waste of money when you could be spending that money on other things - repair kits, adept IIIs and masters, consumeable items in genereal, upgrades....etc.Just as 48% runspeed and a small, insignificant buff is not worth 19p, neither is this warg worth 10p.</blockquote>People aren't all the same. The price seems to be a big deal to you. To others it is just a handful from the pile that they have nothing else to spend on. High priced fluff items are critical in online games. EQ2 does a fairly good job of keeping money sinks constant. The masters that are important to you would be a lot more without them. In the end though, if it is so insignificant and you have more important things to buy then what is the issue?

Igu

04-19-2007, 09:23 AM

Runspeeds need to be reexamined. A 18pp mount, with guild requirements. runs at 48% speed, but a 20 Ranger can run his group at 46% with smart use of a few AA points. Something is just wrong there.

Hellswrath

04-19-2007, 11:45 AM

<cite>Igu wrote:</cite><blockquote>Runspeeds need to be reexamined. A 18pp mount, with guild requirements. runs at 48% speed, but a 20 Ranger can run his group at 46% with smart use of a few AA points. Something is just wrong there.</blockquote> Agreed yet again. Although I would say they need to reexamine mount runspeeds in particular.

valkyrja

04-19-2007, 11:54 AM

<cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've said all along they're a waste of money when you could be spending that money on other things - repair kits, adept IIIs and masters, consumeable items in genereal, upgrades....etc.Just as 48% runspeed and a small, insignificant buff is not worth 19p, neither is this warg worth 10p.</blockquote>So tell me then, I have plenty of repair kits, all masters (except for 2 which might as well not exist), I make my own totems and cary 7 stacks of various mastercrafted potions, get all the gear I need for raiding... I am sitting on the smallest amount of plat I've had in a long time right now (down to 60), after I decided to buy some missings masters for friends. What else do I have to blow my plat on? Not to mention, as a caster, a 50% runspeed mount saves me a lot of accidental deaths as I train through any zone I need to move through.

ZUES

04-19-2007, 12:15 PM

Agreed with all the posters that have a problem with the run speed. Theres no way I'm going to downgrade. Why would they do this? Are they TRYING to [Removed for Content] us off? Why is the decision making seem to be less than what players want? If you dont put something in the game thats useful, dont bother wasting your time developing it. I'm mad about this! Why does it seem like someone is holding the game back?

Cannon

04-19-2007, 12:15 PM

Are you forgetting that you need status to by these high level mounts. No level 1 or level 20 is going to have 600.000 status unless they turn off the exp and they would probably ding from quest dings.

Rashaak

04-19-2007, 01:16 PM

Well..in regards to progression...I don't see a reason why they shouldn't just lower the Carpet Quest movement speed to 30%, and have the Warg at 40%. Spending the 10pp...yah...it hits the pocket hard, but plat can be easily attainable.

Valdaglerion

04-19-2007, 01:52 PM

Prof@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hellswrath@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>I think 45% is reasonable. Why should you do a higher level quest line than the CQ and get a mount that not only isn't any faster, but goes more slowly in reverse? There should be a stat bonus or additional runspeed on this mount. As a side note, I think runspeed for the higher guild level mounts should be faster anyway, since there are characters who can beat 50% runspeed. They really need to take a good look at difficulty of achievement in getting a guild to 60 vs the reward compared to the other mounts.However, kudos to SOE for finally putting in another non-horse mount!</blockquote> Your point is well taken but a little off track. Yes, there is a sizable accomplishment in getting a guild to 60; HOWEVER, it takes no effort to get into an existing guild. With regards to guild rewards there is no sliding scale in the security of it, only "allow to buy rewards or not". You can be a level 1, join a level 60 guild, buy some gold and be running around with a top end mount and all the goodies that go with it. How is that an accomplishment?There should be a way for either the guild leaders to restrict what level of guild reward you can purchase as a member (which may or may not solve this issue but could be allowed for alts of those who have contributed) OR a sliding scale built into the game which requires the player to have contributed a certain amount of SP before those guild rewards open up. Then you could say they had earned them.</blockquote> Your point against his point is off track. Without the sizable accomplishment of the guild to hit 60, noone could later join said guild to reap the benefits. Saying it takes no effort to get into a level 60 guild is also false, unless there are level 60 guilds throwing blind invites at everyone in QH, but I don't see that happening on my server. Usually you have to apply to join a guild in some form or another. There also already is a system in place for guild leaders to restrict which ranks are allowed to buy status items including mounts. That said, my thought is that guild level 60 mounts should be at least 75% run speed, the carpet should be kept at 40% and the new mounts should be at least 50% as they are quested, cost money, and are a full tier higher than the carpet. If you are running through a zone with class x, y, or z, you're running faster than the level 60 guild mounts already, negating owning any existing mount including the new warg.</blockquote>Nope, my point is on target, re-read. The guild has teh acoomplishment, NOT the person joining new. New members in a guild do not have any accomplishment to show for being in a high level guild. We see all the time, someone joining a guild, typically 30-50, buying their guild rewards and then leaving the guild. No accomplishment there.(2) As I stated, the current security within the guild settings do not allow for a level of reward which can be purchased only a purchase or disallow purchase. You CAN NOT say rank 1 can not buy, rank 2 can buy only lvl 30 rewards, rank 3 can buy lvl 30 & 35 rewards, etc.(3) Very few and I do mean very few guilds on our servers require any kind of interview or application. On any given day the 60-69 chat channels are spammed frequently with T7 raiding guilds recruiting ALL levels. Most of these guilds are 50+ and 2 of them are 60. Many people join those guilds with low level alts, buy the top end rewards and then leave later.(4) I agree the high end mounts should be amped on the run speed but this doesnt negate the necessity for the carpet quest carpet to be modified and brought in line with the other mounts based on effort and cost associated with acquiring it versus the reward gained from it. I still hold the last encounter of the quest should at the very least be modified to disallow outside hitting but then of course everyone will cry that the quest is too hard. Guess what, so is earning 10p for a horse that gives the same run buff speed.

Valdaglerion

04-19-2007, 01:55 PM

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote>Are you forgetting that you need status to by these high level mounts. No level 1 or level 20 is going to have 600.000 status unless they turn off the exp and they would probably ding from quest dings.</blockquote> No, its not being forgotten. Questing is not the only way to earn status in the game. Status items can be easily purchased on our server so for high level players to drop stacks of status items on a low level alt is not a big deal.

Valdaglerion

04-19-2007, 02:02 PM

Here's a bigger question - "what truly is the issue with existing run speeds in general?"Personally, I only have a problem with the speed of travel when I am crossing zones I dont need to do anything in to get somewhere else OR the entire zone is grey OR I am running to somewhere I need to go. The bigger issue for me is the time sink SOE has created by the interconnectivity of the zones and traveling between them to quest. I would rather than a faster run speed to cross the same mindless plethora of content again, a teleport shard with a series of quests associated so as you master a zone you can set a recall point within it allowing you to travel there at will. Again, a set of recall points would be awesome, say at the respawn points. When you enter a zone and do some small series of quest you gain the ability to enter the main zone in and as the series for the zone progresses additional points open at the respawn points. Having a single custom point would just be the icing on the cake but getting back to where you want to be if really the point here, at least for me. Running through new content zones at 48% is adequate.I am sure some people might have a problem with this but realistically, if I only have 1-2 hours to play I would rather spend that time playing than spending 45 minutes of it traveling in preparation of playing. That, to me, is no fun. There are times when faced with a limited time, you simply dont play because you cant unless you just want to craft but oh yeah, I am maxed on that so unless I am doing comission work whats the point?

JohnDoe058

04-19-2007, 02:02 PM

I can't see a reason in the world that the harder-to-acquire mounts shouldn't give up to 70 or 80% runspeed. Seriously, guild lvl 60, 15pp, and 600k status points, for a 10% increase over the free carpet? Which, might I add, backs up at normal speed, unlike horses. Why do you punish us for trying, SOE? Why?

lilmohi

04-19-2007, 02:23 PM

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote> I still hold the last encounter of the quest should at the very least be modified to disallow outside hitting but then of course everyone will cry that the quest is too hard. Guess what, so is earning 10p for a horse that gives the same run buff speed. </blockquote>It has been. At least the last time I tried to help a guildie with the quest the encounter auto-locked every time. And no the group options weren't set to auto-lock, of course we all died several times figuring it out. Leave the carpet quest alone, it is a massively difficult quest to finish level apropriate.Besides everyone seems to be forgetting that guild rewards were always meant to be just a step above fluff, not the end all beat all uber-est gear available. Seriously selling "guest of guild" membership for a few minutes so people can buy the best horses is really a good idea

Tyrani

04-19-2007, 03:37 PM

<cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote> I still hold the last encounter of the quest should at the very least be modified to disallow outside hitting but then of course everyone will cry that the quest is too hard. Guess what, so is earning 10p for a horse that gives the same run buff speed. </blockquote>It has been. At least the last time I tried to help a guildie with the quest the encounter auto-locked every time. And no the group options weren't set to auto-lock, of course we all died several times figuring it out. Leave the carpet quest alone, it is a massively difficult quest to finish level apropriate.Besides everyone seems to be forgetting that guild rewards were always meant to be just a step above fluff, not the end all beat all uber-est gear available. Seriously selling "guest of guild" membership for a few minutes so people can buy the best horses is really a good idea</blockquote>Yes when the Djinn spawns, it auto-locks and everyone will most likely die if not well prepared. The statement about people not being able to help outside of the group, however, is false. There is a way...and it's fairly well known and how tons of people get the carpet at level 47, when you have to fight a level 55 mob that hits like a mack truck.

TheStateFish

04-20-2007, 12:16 AM

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Prof@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hellswrath@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>I think 45% is reasonable. Why should you do a higher level quest line than the CQ and get a mount that not only isn't any faster, but goes more slowly in reverse? There should be a stat bonus or additional runspeed on this mount. As a side note, I think runspeed for the higher guild level mounts should be faster anyway, since there are characters who can beat 50% runspeed. They really need to take a good look at difficulty of achievement in getting a guild to 60 vs the reward compared to the other mounts.However, kudos to SOE for finally putting in another non-horse mount!</blockquote> Your point is well taken but a little off track. Yes, there is a sizable accomplishment in getting a guild to 60; HOWEVER, it takes no effort to get into an existing guild. With regards to guild rewards there is no sliding scale in the security of it, only "allow to buy rewards or not". You can be a level 1, join a level 60 guild, buy some gold and be running around with a top end mount and all the goodies that go with it. How is that an accomplishment?There should be a way for either the guild leaders to restrict what level of guild reward you can purchase as a member (which may or may not solve this issue but could be allowed for alts of those who have contributed) OR a sliding scale built into the game which requires the player to have contributed a certain amount of SP before those guild rewards open up. Then you could say they had earned them.</blockquote> Your point against his point is off track. Without the sizable accomplishment of the guild to hit 60, noone could later join said guild to reap the benefits. Saying it takes no effort to get into a level 60 guild is also false, unless there are level 60 guilds throwing blind invites at everyone in QH, but I don't see that happening on my server. Usually you have to apply to join a guild in some form or another. There also already is a system in place for guild leaders to restrict which ranks are allowed to buy status items including mounts. That said, my thought is that guild level 60 mounts should be at least 75% run speed, the carpet should be kept at 40% and the new mounts should be at least 50% as they are quested, cost money, and are a full tier higher than the carpet. If you are running through a zone with class x, y, or z, you're running faster than the level 60 guild mounts already, negating owning any existing mount including the new warg.</blockquote>Nope, my point is on target, re-read. The guild has teh acoomplishment, NOT the person joining new. New members in a guild do not have any accomplishment to show for being in a high level guild. We see all the time, someone joining a guild, typically 30-50, buying their guild rewards and then leaving the guild. No accomplishment there.(2) As I stated, the current security within the guild settings do not allow for a level of reward which can be purchased only a purchase or disallow purchase. You CAN NOT say rank 1 can not buy, rank 2 can buy only lvl 30 rewards, rank 3 can buy lvl 30 & 35 rewards, etc.(3) Very few and I do mean very few guilds on our servers require any kind of interview or application. On any given day the 60-69 chat channels are spammed frequently with T7 raiding guilds recruiting ALL levels. Most of these guilds are 50+ and 2 of them are 60. Many people join those guilds with low level alts, buy the top end rewards and then leave later.(4) I agree the high end mounts should be amped on the run speed but this doesnt negate the necessity for the carpet quest carpet to be modified and brought in line with the other mounts based on effort and cost associated with acquiring it versus the reward gained from it. I still hold the last encounter of the quest should at the very least be modified to disallow outside hitting but then of course everyone will cry that the quest is too hard. Guess what, so is earning 10p for a horse that gives the same run buff speed. </blockquote>1. Correct, the guild has the accomplishment, and anyone that joins the guild becomes a part of that accomplishment, hence joining the guild. Being first world wide and then first on each server to 60 was a big deal for a week or two, but every guild that raids 5 days a week should have accidentally hit 60 by now. That only 2 on your server are 60 yet all these raiding guilds spam recruitment in chat is suspect. Family guilds on my server spam in chat, raid guilds have recruitment threads on the forums or do private recruiting of certain classes.2. There does not need to be such detailed micro-management of status items. Having check boxes for each tier of guild rewards for each guild rank is unnecessary. You should have a good feel for the type of person you're letting into your guild before you send the invite, or your guild is so laid back that they wouldn't care if everyone buys the rewards or not. If upon recruitment you suspect they are just in it for the horse you can block all status items now, and that is all that is needed. 3. Guilds with such lax recruiting methods are more prone to players exploiting their friendliness, but thats their choice. Raiding guilds over here are not as likely to just let you in for kicks. There is nothing wrong with someone joining a guild just to buy a reward and then leaving, and there is a way in the game already to hamper attempts to do so.4. The carpet quest is fine as it is, and the carpet should be sped up. I have not seen the quest for the Warg, but with other mounts having faster run speeds for similar prices, the warg should at least be as fast as those for the same price. Status is easy to come by, so is coin. Anyone can gain enough of either, but for the weak benifit of 40% the warg is not worth the cost. The level 60 guild horse costs less than the DoF horse, but at 14plat it still isn't worth the meager 50%. Point is, you can allow your guild to freely hand out the option to buy guild status horses or restrict them entirely. If you choose to restrict your guild members so harshly on fluff status items, by tier and rank both, you must have a really fun guild.... only guild leaders are allowed the level 60 horses?You can buy faster mounts than the warg without a guild and with a guild you only beat it by 2%. Getting the guild to 60 to get the faster horses is no more an accomplishment than traveling to the broker with a bag full of plats. You can quest for the same speed mount as the warg without the coin cost in DoF. The warg is too weak to be worth the cost.

ke'la

04-20-2007, 05:56 AM

Prof@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Prof@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hellswrath@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>I think 45% is reasonable. Why should you do a higher level quest line than the CQ and get a mount that not only isn't any faster, but goes more slowly in reverse? There should be a stat bonus or additional runspeed on this mount. As a side note, I think runspeed for the higher guild level mounts should be faster anyway, since there are characters who can beat 50% runspeed. They really need to take a good look at difficulty of achievement in getting a guild to 60 vs the reward compared to the other mounts.However, kudos to SOE for finally putting in another non-horse mount!</blockquote> Your point is well taken but a little off track. Yes, there is a sizable accomplishment in getting a guild to 60; HOWEVER, it takes no effort to get into an existing guild. With regards to guild rewards there is no sliding scale in the security of it, only "allow to buy rewards or not". You can be a level 1, join a level 60 guild, buy some gold and be running around with a top end mount and all the goodies that go with it. How is that an accomplishment?There should be a way for either the guild leaders to restrict what level of guild reward you can purchase as a member (which may or may not solve this issue but could be allowed for alts of those who have contributed) OR a sliding scale built into the game which requires the player to have contributed a certain amount of SP before those guild rewards open up. Then you could say they had earned them.</blockquote> Your point against his point is off track. Without the sizable accomplishment of the guild to hit 60, noone could later join said guild to reap the benefits. Saying it takes no effort to get into a level 60 guild is also false, unless there are level 60 guilds throwing blind invites at everyone in QH, but I don't see that happening on my server. Usually you have to apply to join a guild in some form or another. There also already is a system in place for guild leaders to restrict which ranks are allowed to buy status items including mounts. That said, my thought is that guild level 60 mounts should be at least 75% run speed, the carpet should be kept at 40% and the new mounts should be at least 50% as they are quested, cost money, and are a full tier higher than the carpet. If you are running through a zone with class x, y, or z, you're running faster than the level 60 guild mounts already, negating owning any existing mount including the new warg.</blockquote>Nope, my point is on target, re-read. The guild has teh acoomplishment, NOT the person joining new. New members in a guild do not have any accomplishment to show for being in a high level guild. We see all the time, someone joining a guild, typically 30-50, buying their guild rewards and then leaving the guild. No accomplishment there.(2) As I stated, the current security within the guild settings do not allow for a level of reward which can be purchased only a purchase or disallow purchase. You CAN NOT say rank 1 can not buy, rank 2 can buy only lvl 30 rewards, rank 3 can buy lvl 30 & 35 rewards, etc.(3) Very few and I do mean very few guilds on our servers require any kind of interview or application. On any given day the 60-69 chat channels are spammed frequently with T7 raiding guilds recruiting ALL levels. Most of these guilds are 50+ and 2 of them are 60. Many people join those guilds with low level alts, buy the top end rewards and then leave later.(4) I agree the high end mounts should be amped on the run speed but this doesnt negate the necessity for the carpet quest carpet to be modified and brought in line with the other mounts based on effort and cost associated with acquiring it versus the reward gained from it. I still hold the last encounter of the quest should at the very least be modified to disallow outside hitting but then of course everyone will cry that the quest is too hard. Guess what, so is earning 10p for a horse that gives the same run buff speed. </blockquote>1. Correct, the guild has the accomplishment, and anyone that joins the guild becomes a part of that accomplishment, hence joining the guild. Being first world wide and then first on each server to 60 was a big deal for a week or two, but every guild that raids 5 days a week should have accidentally hit 60 by now. That only 2 on your server are 60 yet all these raiding guilds spam recruitment in chat is suspect. Family guilds on my server spam in chat, raid guilds have recruitment threads on the forums or do private recruiting of certain classes.2. There does not need to be such detailed micro-management of status items. Having check boxes for each tier of guild rewards for each guild rank is unnecessary. You should have a good feel for the type of person you're letting into your guild before you send the invite, or your guild is so laid back that they wouldn't care if everyone buys the rewards or not. If upon recruitment you suspect they are just in it for the horse you can block all status items now, and that is all that is needed. 3. Guilds with such lax recruiting methods are more prone to players exploiting their friendliness, but thats their choice. Raiding guilds over here are not as likely to just let you in for kicks. There is nothing wrong with someone joining a guild just to buy a reward and then leaving, and there is a way in the game already to hamper attempts to do so.4. The carpet quest is fine as it is, and the carpet should be sped up. I have not seen the quest for the Warg, but with other mounts having faster run speeds for similar prices, the warg should at least be as fast as those for the same price. Status is easy to come by, so is coin. Anyone can gain enough of either, but for the weak benifit of 40% the warg is not worth the cost. The level 60 guild horse costs less than the DoF horse, but at 14plat it still isn't worth the meager 50%. Point is, you can allow your guild to freely hand out the option to buy guild status horses or restrict them entirely. If you choose to restrict your guild members so harshly on fluff status items, by tier and rank both, you must have a really fun guild.... only guild leaders are allowed the level 60 horses?You can buy faster mounts than the warg without a guild and with a guild you only beat it by 2%. Getting the guild to 60 to get the faster horses is no more an accomplishment than traveling to the broker with a bag full of plats. You can quest for the same speed mount as the warg without the coin cost in DoF. The warg is too weak to be worth the cost.</blockquote> Its the same price as all the other Non-Status 40% runspeed mounts, and as far as the "quest" goes according to reports from test, everyone finished it the first night and its basicly a fairly easy quest.

Amphibia

04-20-2007, 09:07 AM

Personally I don't really care if it is in line with guildlevel 50 and 60 stuff, Maj Dul horses etc...... I just think it would be nice if they'd give it a little more than 40%, espesially if it's gonna cost that much to get one. At least 45-48% would have been nice, preferably more. The way it is now it serves absolutely no other purpose than looking cool. And I doubt many will use it when it is actually a downgrade. And an expensive one at that. Also, while this doesn't concern a lot of people... exiled guilds (there are quite a few of those on PvP servers) have no access to higher level mounts, even at guild level 60. So for us it would be just awesome if this new mount had been an upgrade to that old DoF carpet.... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

lrdpath

04-20-2007, 12:12 PM

I didn't see anyone post whether or not the new mount has any stats associated with it. If not, then I agree it's really out of line. It looks cool, but the carpet is a lower tier, and only requires a series of quests, not a plat cost on top of that.I also have to agree that runspeeds should be reevaluated in general. I see no reason why we shouldn't see increases above the 50% mounts, but maybe that's because personally between the one most of my characters use, and my druid who actually runs at 45% on her own power (Which is incombat, and therefore stacks with both pact of the cheetah and sprint - unlike mounts, meaning she can maintain an 81%-85% run speed alternating sprint and pact of the cheetah through entire zones.) After being so used to that, any of my lower alts without runspeed enhancements or money for mounts feel like they are crawling.I agree with the posters who said they'd rather get to content faster than spend the play time getting there. I don't see any harm, since if you are training through mobs you know you can survive at the speed you are already going, moving faster isn't going to make just anyone suddenly be able to run through any more difficult mobs. As far as running away from combat, once you're engaged your using your in combat run speed anyway to run it off, so the increased out of combat run speed isn't going to save you. This is on PVE... i have no experience with how it would affect pvp servers.I guess my primary bone of contention though is that I think the warg mount looks cool... but i have no use for it exept as a fun looking downgrade. My characters either already run faster, or can purchase with status and no quests a 50% mount with an increase to combat stats or a 48% mount with an increase to mitigation.I would suggest a possible compromise would be to allow the completion of the quests to unlock the mount as is, maybe with some cost depending on how hard the questline is, but probably lower than 10pp. However, other warg mounts should be purchaseable too after you do the questline. Say, a 45% runspeed warg at an increased cost, and a 55% runspeed warg that requires questline completion, guild level 60, plat AND status. This would allow those who already have access to the guild mounts to get something that looks cool, is an actual upgrade with consistent requirements as the other mounts, PLUS a questline. (guild lvl 60 plus status plus plat plus quest = better mount than guild lvl 60 plus status plus plat without quest.)J

Sunrayn

04-20-2007, 01:34 PM

God, some of you people amaze me. Why the hell does every. single. thing. have to add to your uberness? Ya know what? The warg mount is FUN. My conj was among the first to buy one on Test. Brega and Dysis were the first.So, it *only* has a 40% runspeed. So, it has no added buffs. Big flippin deal. Its not *another* horse and its not a carpet, which, if you remember, are the *only* two different mounts in the entire game.Whats next? you want the fun spells that classes get like the illusion forms or glowie hand to give you uber stats or increase your hp or run speed?The wargs are a fun mount. If you dont want it for the *fun* factor, do the [Removed for Content] quest, get your AA points and then just ride away from the vendor on your 48% horse with resists.For those that want the warg mount for the *fun* factor and the downright intimidating look of the beast. Enjoy. Makes me wish I had a big, bald, barbarian like Brega. His *fear factor* went up 90 points on that huge beast he now rides.~Sunrayn--Test server, Garinof--Proud Owner of a Grey Striped, Blue Saddled Warg--Test server

Rommie10-284

04-20-2007, 01:40 PM

Personally I just wonder who has the bug up their backside about run speeds. First they dropped the Mystic AA from 50 to 40 - something they had AMPLE time to test, but waited until well after the release of EoF to change. Now they take the time and effort to create a new mount - and give it statistics to discourage its use. Yes, for all you Level 61+ mountbuyers, we introduce - the Warg! Trade in that nag for this powerful muscle ride - oh, wait, it's not really any faster. Feel its power in combat - oh, it doesn't do anything in combat but back up slowly. Revel in the smooth ride a carpet wished it could deliver - um, no, you'll be bouncing around like a rank amateur. But it drools! And looks menacing! For something that's a major focus of a Game Update - it's currently a prepackaged yawn. I don't think that's what you learn in Marketing school... And Garinof, it's only a big flipping deal because it is a big highlight of a Game Update. If it were a one-line casual mention in a big GU list, then sure, a new fun mount is cool. But it's LOOK AT US hype instead - without the product behind it to deliver.

Hukklebuk

04-20-2007, 02:16 PM

Prof@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>Valdaglerion wrote: That said, my thought is that guild level 60 mounts should be at least 75% run speed, the carpet should be kept at 40% and the new mounts should be at least 50% as they are quested, cost money, and are a full tier higher than the carpet. If you are running through a zone with class x, y, or z, you're running faster than the level 60 guild mounts already, negating owning any existing mount including the new warg.</blockquote>Man you would really anger the Bards.... oh wait... are there any left? Considering Mystics and Druids can outrun them, I will presume you aren't talking about Bards. Besides, nothing should outrun a bard that is player controllable imo. Outside of that, I think 75% is to high. You aren't leaving much room for anything later. Outside of riding the Warg, there isn't really much benefit to doing this quest it seems.

Gungo

04-20-2007, 02:22 PM

<cite>Sunrayn wrote:</cite><blockquote>God, some of you people amaze me. Why the hell does every. single. thing. have to add to your uberness? Ya know what? The warg mount is FUN. My conj was among the first to buy one on Test. Brega and Dysis were the first.So, it *only* has a 40% runspeed. So, it has no added buffs. Big flippin deal. Its not *another* horse and its not a carpet, which, if you remember, are the *only* two different mounts in the entire game.Whats next? you want the fun spells that classes get like the illusion forms or glowie hand to give you uber stats or increase your hp or run speed?The wargs are a fun mount. If you dont want it for the *fun* factor, do the [I cannot control my vocabulary] quest, get your AA points and then just ride away from the vendor on your 48% horse with resists.For those that want the warg mount for the *fun* factor and the downright intimidating look of the beast. Enjoy. Makes me wish I had a big, bald, barbarian like Brega. His *fear factor* went up 90 points on that huge beast he now rides.~Sunrayn--Test server, Garinof--Proud Owner of a Grey Striped, Blue Saddled Warg--Test server</blockquote> Actually it would be cool if fun spells added something cool but minimal to combat =P. I really like short duration combat buffs like Elemental vestment for conj, POM for troubs, COB for dirges. Knockoutcombo for bruisers. tsunami for monks etc. Constant buffs are ok but the short duration buffs rock. The question is should combat spells not be "fun". Whats the point of "fun" spells. You cna tie all fun spells to combat buffs/abilites. I would like to see what lockeye does when he is finished with the new racial ability changes. bruiser - 5 min recasts dreadnaut Kata= increased dodge by 5% for 15 secs wood skin = a short duration like 20 sec dam shield that adds 3pierce dam per level ironskin= increased all resist/mitigation by 5 per level 30 sec duration. .

Bre

04-20-2007, 02:23 PM

I have zero problem with the mount in its current state. My hopes for it include..Harder to get versions. Example 500000 status 20 pp guild lvl 60 = 60 speed with some buffs whatever, or harder quests and higher price to get a faster versionNames that truely represent the color you get. I was pretty disappointed when I bought my Black with green saddle whistle when I got a brown warg. If you call it black it darn well better be black. Did no one in the art dept look at the final product and say, wait! hey guys, that's brown, not black...The mount in its current state is worth 10 pp in my opinion. But I'll admit to being rather competitive, so I would like the option to work towards a better one. I'm not askin for a freebie here, just the option to put in more effort for a better reward. That and of course truth in advertising. The color thing really irritated the crap out of me. Brega - 70 Ranger, Test Server

Hukklebuk

04-20-2007, 03:04 PM

<cite>Hukklebuk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Prof@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>Valdaglerion wrote: That said, my thought is that guild level 60 mounts should be at least 75% run speed, the carpet should be kept at 40% and the new mounts should be at least 50% as they are quested, cost money, and are a full tier higher than the carpet. If you are running through a zone with class x, y, or z, you're running faster than the level 60 guild mounts already, negating owning any existing mount including the new warg.</blockquote>Man you would really anger the Bards.... oh wait... are there any left? Considering Mystics and Druids can outrun them, I will presume you aren't talking about Bards. Besides, nothing should outrun a bard that is player controllable imo. Outside of that, I think 75% is to high. You aren't leaving much room for anything later. Outside of riding the Warg, there isn't really much benefit to doing this quest it seems. </blockquote>oh wait! there is benefit - the plat sellers will make a killing! I dunno how I missed that completely.... shame on me.

Badaxe Ba

04-20-2007, 03:26 PM

<cite>Sunrayn wrote:</cite><blockquote>God, some of you people amaze me. Why the hell does every. single. thing. have to add to your uberness? Ya know what? The warg mount is FUN. My conj was among the first to buy one on Test. Brega and Dysis were the first.So, it *only* has a 40% runspeed. So, it has no added buffs. Big flippin deal. Its not *another* horse and its not a carpet, which, if you remember, are the *only* two different mounts in the entire game.Whats next? you want the fun spells that classes get like the illusion forms or glowie hand to give you uber stats or increase your hp or run speed?The wargs are a fun mount. If you dont want it for the *fun* factor, do the [I cannot control my vocabulary] quest, get your AA points and then just ride away from the vendor on your 48% horse with resists.For those that want the warg mount for the *fun* factor and the downright intimidating look of the beast. Enjoy. Makes me wish I had a big, bald, barbarian like Brega. His *fear factor* went up 90 points on that huge beast he now rides.~Sunrayn--Test server, Garinof--Proud Owner of a Grey Striped, Blue Saddled Warg--Test server</blockquote>Hmm, sounds like building a muscle car, then sticking a 4 cylinder engine in, ROFL! And how intimidating is it, unless your foes are too busy rofl to fight you?And how come you can't get a loan using livestock as collateral? HMMM?

Oakum

04-20-2007, 03:35 PM

<cite>Hukklebuk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Prof@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote>Valdaglerion wrote: That said, my thought is that guild level 60 mounts should be at least 75% run speed, the carpet should be kept at 40% and the new mounts should be at least 50% as they are quested, cost money, and are a full tier higher than the carpet. If you are running through a zone with class x, y, or z, you're running faster than the level 60 guild mounts already, negating owning any existing mount including the new warg.</blockquote>Man you would really anger the Bards.... oh wait... are there any left? Considering Mystics and Druids can outrun them, I will presume you aren't talking about Bards. Besides, nothing should outrun a bard that is player controllable imo. Outside of that, I think 75% is to high. You aren't leaving much room for anything later. Outside of riding the Warg, there isn't really much benefit to doing this quest it seems. </blockquote>Why should no one out run a bard? No one should out run a teleport I would say. Why would a single player have a free run speed advantage over the 23 other classes in the game no matter how much money and quest effort they put in getting the mount. Bards are buff/debuff classes. If their game defining ability is runspeed then why would we want them in a group/raid. RL. "okay for todays raid, we have to travel to FTH", " dirge, you are in group one for runspeed buffs and you other three bards are in groups 2-4". Guild bards- "Sorry, speedy and comet are out of town on vacation, no other bards can come that are high enough lvl except for our MT one of our MH'ers alts."RL- "Can we do this without a MT and the MT group templer? NO! What do you mean no. We have to have the bard run speed" RL- "%$%^! &^%^%! ^^^%%! % ^^^%%Y!" "GUild leader, we need to cancel the raid, we will never make there without the bard run speed buffs. " GL- "What?, Okay since we have no choice cancel it. GL- "We will make sure this does not happen again. The next time the bards take vacation they are out of the guild and we will replace them with more reliable bards looking for free guild 60 rewards" EDIT: Someday I will actually use spell check. Nah, thats no fun.

Sunrayn

04-20-2007, 03:42 PM

Like someone on the tester board said. Soe is damned if they do and damned if they dont.My only problem with the warg is what Brega said, the colors are, to put it nicely, are off.Yeah, SOE advertised the 'new mount' as the highlight of the LU. They delivered exactly what they advertised. A *new* mount. They said nothing about it being the uberest, bestest, fastest mount of all time.We got something totally different in the mount dept. Not a horse, not a different colored carpet. Maybe, just maybe, SOE could run with this warg mount. Different speeds, buffs, whatever. It isnt set in stone that 'this' is all we will ever get but, people are already condemning SOE for this 'useless' warg.The price is in line with the non-guild horses, has a quest, of sorts, and has room to grow into a whole new line of mounts. Instead of being happy that for the first time since DoF, we have an entirely new mount to parade around on, people are B&Ming that it isnt 'uber' enough.I have blasted SOE before on what I considered are just dumb things they have done. I sometimes blast them in the /test channel on some changes they have made but, in this case, I am behind them 110%. Maybe 6 months down the line if they leave it as is and dont take off with the warg mount, I will be blasting them for it. I know I will be drilling them a new one if they dont make my grey striped warg grey and, I dont mean just the legs.

Hellswrath

04-20-2007, 08:08 PM

<cite>Sunrayn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Like someone on the tester board said. Soe is damned if they do and damned if they dont.My only problem with the warg is what Brega said, the colors are, to put it nicely, are off.Yeah, SOE advertised the 'new mount' as the highlight of the LU. They delivered exactly what they advertised. A *new* mount. They said nothing about it being the uberest, bestest, fastest mount of all time.We got something totally different in the mount dept. Not a horse, not a different colored carpet. Maybe, just maybe, SOE could run with this warg mount. Different speeds, buffs, whatever. It isnt set in stone that 'this' is all we will ever get but, people are already condemning SOE for this 'useless' warg.The price is in line with the non-guild horses, has a quest, of sorts, and has room to grow into a whole new line of mounts. Instead of being happy that for the first time since DoF, we have an entirely new mount to parade around on, people are B&Ming that it isnt 'uber' enough.I have blasted SOE before on what I considered are just dumb things they have done. I sometimes blast them in the /test channel on some changes they have made but, in this case, I am behind them 110%. Maybe 6 months down the line if they leave it as is and dont take off with the warg mount, I will be blasting them for it. I know I will be drilling them a new one if they dont make my grey striped warg grey and, I dont mean just the legs.</blockquote> Firstly, if no one comments on their opinions that the wargs need to be upgraded, then SOE will not see that there is a widespread dissatisfaction with the mount as it stands. That is the purpose of the entire In Testing Feedback forum.......FEEDBACK. And the feedback is saying that the majority of us are a very unhappy group of people. I think this is mainly due to a desire by most of us to get a new mount to ride that isn't a horse or carpet. Then, when we finally get our wish, we find that the specs on it are so laughable that we would be downgrading in order to ride it. Those who ride carpets would be forced to do yet another series of quests and then have to pay 10 plat to buy a mount that is not an improvement. Not to mention that people usually ride carpets because they don't have (or don't want to spend) the money to afford horses.I think most of us really like the warg mount idea, but are disappointed in its implementation. If SOE is unwilling to up the runspeed on the base warg model, then add other options! Give these other options the same stats, runspeeds, pricings and requirements that the other horses have. This would end most of the debate that has been caused by the new warg mount.

Cocytus

04-20-2007, 08:19 PM

The mount in its current state is actually fine with me - with one exception. The price <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Other than that? I don't mind the fact it's not faster than the carpet. I don't mind it doesn't have any buffs. It's cooler and suits my character more. I'd do the quest, but not if it costs me 10p.

sah

04-20-2007, 08:32 PM

Everyone talks about how it sucks to have to do a new series of quests, but as long as the quests aren't crazy like the SoD quests, I bet pretty much everyone is going to be doing the quests anyways even if they don't intend to by the warg...and being someone who can run faster than a mount, I'd get it anyways just for the appearance... <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Although I do agree that it should either be upgraded slightly or have the cost lowered...But as someone else said, this isn't necessarily the last we'll see of the wargs...for all we know, there could already be plans to add more quests (possibly epic ones) to get a more powerful warg; or maybe a raid-dropped warg mount...Also, we still have no idea how hard it is to get the mount...I heard that the quests are lvl 62, but are they solo or heroic quests? And is it something that a lvl 70 can do in half an hour solo or would it take a group several hours to complete?

lrdpath

04-20-2007, 08:51 PM

Some various replies:<<God, some of you people amaze me. Why the hell does every. single. thing. have to add to your uberness? Ya know what? The warg mount is FUN. My conj was among the first to buy one on Test. Brega and Dysis were the first.>>Uberness? I'm more focused on the speed than the combat stats... Sorry, but while the warg looks cool... you have to be higher level to get it than the carpet, and pay 10 plat.... for something that looks cool but doesn't increase the speed over a carpet at all? I don't see a little extra speed to be asking for uberness. <<So, it *only* has a 40% runspeed. So, it has no added buffs. Big flippin deal. Its not *another* horse and its not a carpet, which, if you remember, are the *only* two different mounts in the entire game.>> Uh, who is not remembering something here? Last I checked fitz in DT and tinkerers can make two different types of hover platforms. I consider that a third mount type. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><<The wargs are a fun mount. If you dont want it for the *fun* factor, do the [I cannot control my vocabulary] quest, get your AA points and then just ride away from the vendor on your 48% horse with resists.>> I certainly plan to do the quest for the AA, and would be happy to pull out my warg when i'm standing around and not trying to getsomewhere for the cool factor, but cannot justify a 10pp cost for a cool factor. Do those fun spells classes get that you mentioned cost 10 pp from the vendor? No, they are a cute extra. Bit off topic, but some of them bug me a little like my warlock's bat and frog form and my fury's curse of the unnatural (Turns target into a rust monster) They'd be a lot more fun if they worked on people who had /hide set. So many people have illusions on them already that they want to hide have it set, so I can never have any fun with them. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><<And Garinof, it's only a big flipping deal because it is a big highlight of a Game Update. If it were a one-line casual mention in a big GU list, then sure, a new fun mount is cool. But it's LOOK AT US hype instead - without the product behind it to deliver. >> /agreed I was already disappointed that I raced around to get all the statues in time for the next update to work on SoD just to find out, oh wait... we're not really getting in this update except LOOK COOL! A new neat looking mount! Oh wait... it's actually a very expensive downgrade. << I have zero problem with the mount in its current state. My hopes for it include..Harder to get versions. Example 500000 status 20 pp guild lvl 60 = 60 speed with some buffs whatever, or harder quests and higher price to get a faster version>> Pretty similar to my previous post... Except I personally still think the 10 pp cost is steep... i'd hope for harder to get/costlier versions like the above, but I think the warg's cost at base should be at least halved. Maybe having no cost would make it lose it's coolness factor since any lvl 61+ would get one, but 10pp is just not cheap for something that downgrades you with the only compensation being it looks cool.<<The mount in its current state is worth 10 pp in my opinion. But I'll admit to being rather competitive, so I would like the option to work towards a better one. I'm not askin for a freebie here, just the option to put in more effort for a better reward.>> I'm not asking for a freebie either, i'd be perfectly happy with additional options that required guild level, status, more money, more quests or even all of the above... Hell, while i'd like to see some chance of an upgrade, i'd be happy if with additional quests, cost in plat and status and GL requirement it at least could MATCH the speed/stats of a horse.<<Yeah, SOE advertised the 'new mount' as the highlight of the LU. They delivered exactly what they advertised. A *new* mount. They said nothing about it being the uberest, bestest, fastest mount of all time.>> Technically they did advertise a new mount and deliver one... however if they only planned to set the speed at 40% with no potential improvements, they could have stuck it in a lower tier (though it does make sense wargs would come from LP - why can't they be imported to the stables in Lfay then for example so 50's could do it and drop the price.)<<The price is in line with the non-guild horses, has a quest, of sorts, and has room to grow into a whole new line of mounts. Instead of being happy that for the first time since DoF, we have an entirely new mount to parade around on, people are B&Ming that it isnt 'uber' enough.>> Yeah - it has room to grow into a whole new line.... but why release an unfinished product? They have the graphics done, a quest line in place... why not release it once there was at least more than one option? You later go on to say that in 6 months if they leave it as is and don't take off with the warg mount you'll be blasting them for it. Personally, I think they should have fleshed it out BEFORE releasing it. At the very least state that they WILL be fleshing it out. As far as we know they have no plans in that regard. So likely in 6 months you will be disappointed just like people are now.<<Firstly, if no one comments on their opinions that the wargs need to be upgraded, then SOE will not see that there is a widespread dissatisfaction with the mount as it stands. That is the purpose of the entire In Testing Feedback forum.......FEEDBACK. And the feedback is saying that the majority of us are a very unhappy group of people. I think this is mainly due to a desire by most of us to get a new mount to ride that isn't a horse or carpet. Then, when we finally get our wish, we find that the specs on it are so laughable that we would be downgrading in order to ride it. Those who ride carpets would be forced to do yet another series of quests and then have to pay 10 plat to buy a mount that is not an improvement. Not to mention that people usually ride carpets because they don't have (or don't want to spend) the money to afford horses.I think most of us really like the warg mount idea, but are disappointed in its implementation. If SOE is unwilling to up the runspeed on the base warg model, then add other options! Give these other options the same stats, runspeeds, pricings and requirements that the other horses have. This would end most of the debate that has been caused by the new warg mount.>> Exactly.... this forum is for feedback, no? I can't do much but echo these sentiments again. If SOE isn't made aware people are dissatisfied, there is no chance of improvement, which defeats the point of gathering any feedback. /turns on echo effect add other options. If more quests are too hard to implement in a timely fashion, it's certainly not too hard to add the options of faster versions upon completion for an increased cost/guild status/guild level required. There is zero reason why that's unreasonable to ask for.Alternatively the idea occured to me that i'd be somewhat okay with spending 10 plat if it did something special that horses couldn't.... (I never understood why something like sprint can't stack with a mount - horses in real life can certainly go from a walk to a trot to a gallop to a full out uncontrollable freakout speed when scared. <g&gt<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Well, it's the way things are... but maybe wargs are more easily riled up and certain speed enhancements could stack with them. Pull it's hair and it gets angry and starts power draining you while it zooms away at a faster speed for a short time.

Sunrayn

04-20-2007, 08:53 PM

<cite>sahet wrote:</cite><blockquote>Also, we still have no idea how hard it is to get the mount...I heard that the quests are lvl 62, but are they solo or heroic quests? And is it something that a lvl 70 can do in half an hour solo or would it take a group several hours to complete?</blockquote> A lot of us on test have done the quest and bought the warg. I wont speak for the reason other testers arent 'letting the cat out of the bag' but, as for my reason for not talking about the quest other than to say it works is, I dont want to start another war about the quest, its difficulty, ease, whatever else.I will say you have to lvl 61 to get the quest.~Sunrayn--Test server

Grimwell

04-20-2007, 09:03 PM

Keeping it short and simple. I did raise the run speed questions with the Dev team and was informed that on Tuesday the Test server will be patched and Wargs will be doing 50%. Keep in mind that it's going to the Test Server that way on Tuesday, and the final speed that makes it to the live servers could be higher or lower... but they do listen. You must now say something nice about them. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

wiire

04-20-2007, 09:09 PM

THANK YOU SO MUCH GRIMWELL!

Sunrayn

04-20-2007, 09:11 PM

<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Keeping it short and simple. You must now say something nice about them. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> We on test always say nice things about devs...Venos must not be relaying the nice things we say....~Sunrayn--Test server

Rommie10-284

04-20-2007, 09:30 PM

Hm - nice thing to say - hmm... Actually the new Investigation quest in Longshadow is nicely done, as I like preview hooks that lead to bigger and better things.

shadowgate

04-20-2007, 09:51 PM

Woot! Way to go Devs! Now don't change it! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

duranvaer

04-20-2007, 10:06 PM

Things I would like to see on the new mount is: 1) in-combat health regen (they are werewolves right) and 2) the mount speed depend on the part of the day it is, at night they are faster then during the day.just my 2cp

Giral

04-20-2007, 10:44 PM

I think it would be cool if the mounts had a Burst run speed of 65 % for 20 seconds and then slowed to 50 % the Burst of 65% could have a 5 minute cool down and you could just click the icon in your buff window to use the burst again!

ZUES

04-20-2007, 11:31 PM

Marillion

04-21-2007, 12:17 AM

Lyrus

04-21-2007, 04:27 AM

Sweet, now just need a reason to hit guild level 60, since speedy mounts aren't so special anymore.

Wayoff

04-21-2007, 05:25 AM

sup lyrus

MrWolfie

04-21-2007, 06:17 AM

<cite>Marillion wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Keeping it short and simple. I did raise the run speed questions with the Dev team and was informed that on Tuesday the Test server will be patched and Wargs will be doing 50%. Keep in mind that it's going to the Test Server that way on Tuesday, and the final speed that makes it to the live servers could be higher or lower... but they do listen. You must now say something nice about them. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> Heh, i think then entire Bard community will have the exact opp to say about increased mount speeds. Until something is done about the lack luster speed of the bards movement speed buffs compared to mounts and aa enhanced class buffs. (Consult, the 100's of pages in multi threads on this single topic). </blockquote>Bards Suck.Making them run faster than anything else isn't going to make them suck any less.Caveat: Although, they are desired at end-game raids.My advice: stop trying to get stuff nerfed (like Mystics. Yes, I place the blame for that one squarely on the shoulders of the bard community) and concentrate on getting your DPS increased (or better yet, all your buffs running without the need for concentration). There's 22 other classes out there who, if you continue in the negative vein you are, would be happy to see the total demise of bards over knee-jerk nerfs by developers.Maybe if the new mount stays at 50%, then the fully-aa-specced Mystic will get their SoW unnerfed, or at least returned reasonable level (say, 45%).Oh, and well done devs for listening to the feedback on the mount!<div align="left">Hmmm, just a few more tweaks to mounts to fix them ~ I wonder what they could be? </div>

Naglfar

04-21-2007, 06:57 AM

50% speed mount as reward for an easy quest ? <img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Please keep speedy mounts specials, we're already running extremely fast without running boost, and the horses are going as fast as a car... There's no need to increase speed again, you should put a permabuff on wargs, like Nightmare's are doing. Or a king of extra attack, a +10 dps, something more original than speed buff... Keep in mind Wargs are heroic quest reward, so everybody will have one if the speed > all other mounts. It should be a viable choice, not the ONLY choice...I'd like to see something like wargs = battle mounts, and horses = travel mounts.

Amphibia

04-21-2007, 10:42 AM

SpritRaja

04-21-2007, 10:51 AM

My suggestion. Leave it as 40% mount speed but add a 15% incombat speed as well. Also remove the slow backup speed. That way we will have a mount that is usable in combat.

Bre

04-21-2007, 11:33 AM

Grim said..You must now say something nice about them. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Ok, here goes. They are snappy dressers and in no way smell bad. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And thank you kindly for upping the runspeed. It is appreciated. Now, can we talk about the whistle names and their inaccurate color descriptions? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Thanks, <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Brega - 70 Ranger, Test Server

Gungo

04-21-2007, 12:00 PM

<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Keeping it short and simple. I did raise the run speed questions with the Dev team and was informed that on Tuesday the Test server will be patched and Wargs will be doing 50%. Keep in mind that it's going to the Test Server that way on Tuesday, and the final speed that makes it to the live servers could be higher or lower... but they do listen. You must now say something nice about them. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> I can not express how severly disappointed in the developers for not having an idea of what is in thier own game. I know you are new grimwell but i am going to list why this is VERY dumb idea. Purchasable mounts in eq2- Steppes Pony, Parade Steppes Pony, Halasian Draft Horse, and Parade Halasian Draft Horse- 24% run speed Regular Price: 2 platinum, 45 gold, 76 silver Guild Discount: 52,500 status, 1 platinum, 38 gold, 42 silver (Guild Level: 15) Karana Planes Rider, Parade Karana Plainsrider, Misty Mustang, Parade Misty Mustang- 32% run speed Regular Price: 3 platinum, 68 gold, 64 silver Guild Discount: 80,000 status, 2 platinum, 7 gold, 36 silver (Guild Level: 20) Elder Charger, Parade Elder Charger, Rujarkian Hillsrunner, Parade Rujarkian Hillsrunner-40% Regular Price: 9 platinum, 83 gold, 4 silver Guild Discount: 112,500 status, 5 platinum, 52 gold, 96 silver (Guild Level: 25)Spirit Steed,Majdul Enchanted scroll- 48% Runspeed Price: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80 gold (Guild Level 30) Court Faction Horses: The following horses now require faction and quests completed to even PURCHASE. The following horses require ally (40,000+ faction) with ONE of the courts in Maj'Dul. Horses with custom saddle colors are only available from the court you have ally faction with. Rujarkiak Destrier, Dervish Destrier- 40% runspeed and 4.7 to slash, crush, peirce, and focus Regular Price: 14platinum Guild Discount: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80g (Guild Level: 35) Nightmare, Mistrunner- 48% Runspeed and 300 to all magic resists Price: 400,000 status, 19 platinum, 20 gold, 1 copper (Guild Level 40)War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)In THIS ONE CHANGE you made EVERY SINGLE GUILD REWARD HORSE absolutley useless. Not only does the new quest mount look different. It is now as fast if not faster, cheaper and takes less time and effort required. You have absolutley made all guild mounts COMPELTELY OBSOLETE with this change. REEVALUTE HORSE SPEEDS IN GENERAL or reduce this mount to 42% at the MOST.P.s. The above prices does not even reflect the time necessary to level a guild to the appropriate level OR the time required to build enough personal faction.

ZUES

04-21-2007, 12:05 PM

Beggars cant be choosers and majority rules. That was an awsome thing the SOE team did for us in creating this new mount. Even better when they decide to go with 50%. If you have a problem with this new mount then please refer to this post for your other <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=347452" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">FOURTY FIVE</a> options! But please, leave well enough alone and thank them for their efforts. Save your "want list" for another thread and another time.Thanks to the SOE team! Apple fritters all around!

Gungo

04-21-2007, 12:15 PM

<cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote>Beggars cant be choosers and majority rules. That was an awsome thing the SOE team did for us in creating this new mount. Even better when they decide to go with 50%. If you have a problem with this new mount then please refer to this post for your other <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=347452" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">FOURTY FIVE</a> options! But please, leave well enough alone and thank them for their efforts. Save your "want list" for another thread and another time.Thanks to the SOE team! Apple fritters all around!</blockquote>I know you want everythign given to you but LOOK at the numbers THEY DONT LIE. This mount is now cheaper, easier, and/or faster then every other guild mount, tinker mount, raid mount, God ability mount in game. This is the worse BALANCE change EVER done in a LONG LONG time. Instead of seeing everyone and thie rmom on a carpet we will see everyone on this new mount. WHY? Because there is NO OPTION ANYMORE. LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. Seriously. It doesn't add up. There is NO need for SOE to unbalance thier own game.

Hagran

04-21-2007, 12:39 PM

In my many long years playing SOE games, i have learned something, SOE do everything for a reason. I have a feeling this is only the begining and the guilds mounts etc will get a loving treatment soon enough.. just wait.. play the game and have fun

ZUES

04-21-2007, 12:47 PM

LOL I'm sorry but I just dont see your argument as to any kind of "unbalance". Level 60 guilds atm allow any level players to purchase a guild level 60 mount. This is a little bit cheaper but it has to be quested for. We higher level player finally got a mount that a twink cant get. I love it. And thank God for a new "non-horse" mount!Think about solo players that dont like to be bothered by guildies begging them to attend raids or help on a quest. Thats their play style. I respect it and give props to the devs for including content for them as well.

Gungo

04-21-2007, 01:08 PM

<cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote>LOL I'm sorry but I just dont see your argument as to any kind of "unbalance". Level 60 guilds atm allow any level players to purchase a guild level 60 mount. This is a little bit cheaper but it has to be quested for. We higher level player finally got a mount that a twink cant get. I love it. And thank God for a new "non-horse" mount!Think about solo players that dont like to be bothered by guildies begging them to attend raids or help on a quest. Thats their play style. I respect it and give props to the devs for including content for them as well.</blockquote>War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)Do you see that number? Its called status. Do you know how status is gained? Either by killing raid mobs in a guild (in effect adding to the guild level), By doing LOTS of quests called writs, by killing ALOT of mobs and obtaining thousands and thousands of status items or a mix of the above. DO you know how long it took test people to finish the quest series and get the new mount ON TEST? 10 minutes.There is no BALANCE. The new quest mounts are cheaper, easier to obtain and/or faster then ANYOTHER MOUNT IN GAME.

Kinuun

04-21-2007, 01:10 PM

I was a little disappointed to hear that the worgs were originally 40% and the 10pp and quested, but I'm elated to hear its bumped up to 50%. Makes it acually worth the time... And another thing, IT'S A [Removed for Content] MOUNT!!! You really don't need it to play at all. Only reason I have a mount it because it was free. Sure, the quest was hard but it was something to do. P.S. You forgot HQ's, Gungo. That's how I get all my status.

Gungo

04-21-2007, 01:13 PM

<cite>Kinuun wrote:</cite><blockquote>I was a little disappointed to hear that the worgs were originally 40% and the 10pp and quested, but I'm elated to hear its bumped up to 50%. Makes it acually worth the time... </blockquote> The quest took all of 10 minutes on to complete. This mount should not be faster then 45%.

Gungo

04-21-2007, 01:14 PM

<cite>Kinuun wrote:</cite><blockquote>I was a little disappointed to hear that the worgs were originally 40% and the 10pp and quested, but I'm elated to hear its bumped up to 50%. Makes it acually worth the time... P.S. You forgot HQ's, Gungo. That's how I get all my status. </blockquote> Ok so whats takes longer the 10 minute quest for the new mount. OR doing all 30 HQ's to obtain aproximately 500,000 status.

ZUES

04-21-2007, 01:19 PM

Well Gongo when you sell your mount back and get this one, congrats you have your 448,000 status points back! Still no good argument sorry.Change is going to happen in this game. Someone is always gonna find a way to say it is or isnt fair and pick it apart. Considering this is a high level requirment to obtain the mount then I have no issue with it. I agree that it would be better suited as a HARD and long quest like an HQ but adapted to accomodate solo players. I'm a sami-hardcore raid mongril but frankly I'm glad solo players are gettin some love on this one.

Gungo

04-21-2007, 01:27 PM

Haha you really are biased and dumb. I show you facts and you say its suppsoe to be the best mount in the game without anything to back up your statements. Put it this way now there are 3 level 60 guild rewards. Mount Title- count/countess Cloak BordersBasically you just removed one of 3 reards for being guild level 60 and the only actual in game benefit reward. See i can keep coming up with FACTS. Thats show you how stupid this is.

Amphibia

04-21-2007, 01:31 PM

<cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote>Beggars cant be choosers and majority rules. That was an awsome thing the SOE team did for us in creating this new mount. Even better when they decide to go with 50%. If you have a problem with this new mount then please refer to this post for your other <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=347452" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">FOURTY FIVE</a> options! But please, leave well enough alone and thank them for their efforts. Save your "want list" for another thread and another time.Thanks to the SOE team! Apple fritters all around!</blockquote>QFE To the naysayers: Don't want the warg? There is a pretty nice horse you can get instead, same speed and with a nice stat bonus too. Yes it does require guildlevel 60 and some status, but for some of us (exiles) guildlevel 60 and TONS of status doesn't help one bit for getting such upgrades. If the 50% thing makes it to live, this warg will be an awesome upgrade many of us would never have a chance to get otherwise. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> People complained like hell when they introdused the DoF carpet too, but my wasn't it nice to have that option for your alt or if you weren't lucky enough to be in a high level guild..... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I really hope they decide to keep it at 50%. Edit: Oh, and I forget my manners.... big thanks to the SOE team. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

ZUES

04-21-2007, 01:31 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>Haha you really are biased and dumb. I show you facts and you say its suppsoe to be the best mount in the game without anything to back up your statements. Put it this way now there are 3 level 60 guild rewards. Mount Title- count/countess Cloak BordersBasically you just removed one of 3 reards for being guild level 60 and the only actual in game benefit reward. See i can keep coming up with FACTS. Thats show you how stupid this is. </blockquote>Butt joo duh smart 1 sew I'll step outt of thiz condverdsatin!

Bre

04-21-2007, 03:35 PM

Gun look, I know you're upset about this and I can see why, but please conside the following..The warg is not all around better than the lvl 60 guild mount. The 60 mount has some very nice stats on it in addition to the runspeed and I for one will drop the warg fast when we hit 60 in favor of the war barded.SOE has been amping up near everything since EoF. Look at the items in game now for example. EoF treasured better than KoS legendary, EoF Legendary better than KoS Fabled. They seem to be moving towards a larger wow factor (not a Blizzard reference). And as a previos poster said, They do tend to do stuff for a reason, mostly we just aren't privvy to what the reasons are. I can't tell you how many times I saw something change and went ooohhh that's why they did that a few months/weeks ago. My worry is that we have kinda pigeon-holed ourselves with future upgrades to this particular mount. I could definately see it going to live with a 45% runspeed and quests or costlier options added in the future to upgrade. In a perfect world I would like to see the initial quest made harder with the mount staying at 40%. A replacement for the carpet so to speak. Then a harder questline for a 45% mount and anything above that in terms of a runspeed boost or stats/abilities added would come from a greater cost equal to the progression set so far in current mounts. And accurate descriptions of the mounts on the whistles of course. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Brega - 70 Ranger, Test Server

Computer MAn

04-21-2007, 03:42 PM

I really hope they raise the price on these mounts because as Gungo has said you have completely trivialized the need to be in a lvl 50-60 guild. Horses are really the ONLY reason to level a guild up these days and now you have eliminated one of those reasons, raise the price to 30p or make the quest signifigantly harder and I would have no issue but muzzling 3 wargs and paying to 10p to get the best mount in the game is completely unbalanced. So now we will see every botter running on around on 50% mounts instead of 40% carpets I can't wait!

Iseabeil

04-21-2007, 03:51 PM

When EQ2 was new, guild level rewards were a pure status thing. You could get fancy titles, fancy clothing, fancy furniture, cheaper horses, cheaper homes. The only things of pure value you were unable to get without a high level guild was the 5 room houses and the spirit horse/carpet (could possibly count the elaborate crafting stations too). Whilst surely faster then the ones you could buy without a guild, the main reason to have them wasnt speed but status. It was show off stuff, like the guild reward clothing, and getting a guild to max level back then was a lot harder then getting one to 60 today when you cant de-level and every member contributes with status, and still people today seem to expect to get material rewards for their efforts instead of status symbols. I have a guild level 60 War-barded Cavalry Spiritsteed of my own, that I bought when in a guild that I helped level to that state. Will I still get this new warg? better belive it, I use my horse only for speed cause I personally hate the metal clad horses, and Id prolly get a warg even if it was 45%. The speed doesnt matter tho, if I see a person on a war-barded horse or one on a warg, Ill know that the one on the horse comes from a level capped guild, whilst the one on the woofie wont tell me anything. Same thing with titles, when I see someone with Countess before their name I know this person is at the top of the status rank so to say, whilst someone with the title Fencer, whilst possibly in a level 60 guild too, will not give the same impression.Leave guild rewards for what they were/are, status symbols, not endgame content.

sah

04-21-2007, 04:02 PM

actually there is a 4th guild lvl 60 reward...an extra row in the guild bank which is nice for plopping in all those fancy adornments.....and btw...rule of 3...if someone says a quest took them 10 minutes to complete it really took them 30 minutes...hahaha but seriously, where the hell did you get that number? I haven't seen anyone from test posting any information about the quests...and technically, the lvl 60 guild mount is still the best mount in the game...

Computer MAn

04-21-2007, 04:33 PM

<cite>sahet wrote:</cite><blockquote>actually there is a 4th guild lvl 60 reward...an extra row in the guild bank which is nice for plopping in all those fancy adornments.....and btw...rule of 3...if someone says a quest took them 10 minutes to complete it really took them 30 minutes...hahaha but seriously, where the hell did you get that number? I haven't seen anyone from test posting any information about the quests...and technically, the lvl 60 guild mount is still the best mount in the game...</blockquote>We have a guildie with a character on the PVP test server and there is no killing involved in the quest.

Cocytus

04-21-2007, 07:59 PM

<cite>Iseabeil wrote:</cite><blockquote>When EQ2 was new, guild level rewards were a pure status thing. You could get fancy titles, fancy clothing, fancy furniture, cheaper horses, cheaper homes. The only things of pure value you were unable to get without a high level guild was the 5 room houses and the spirit horse/carpet (could possibly count the elaborate crafting stations too). Whilst surely faster then the ones you could buy without a guild, the main reason to have them wasnt speed but status. It was show off stuff, like the guild reward clothing, and getting a guild to max level back then was a lot harder then getting one to 60 today when you cant de-level and every member contributes with status, and still people today seem to expect to get material rewards for their efforts instead of status symbols. I have a guild level 60 War-barded Cavalry Spiritsteed of my own, that I bought when in a guild that I helped level to that state. Will I still get this new warg? better belive it, I use my horse only for speed cause I personally hate the metal clad horses, and Id prolly get a warg even if it was 45%. The speed doesnt matter tho, if I see a person on a war-barded horse or one on a warg, Ill know that the one on the horse comes from a level capped guild, whilst the one on the woofie wont tell me anything. Same thing with titles, when I see someone with Countess before their name I know this person is at the top of the status rank so to say, whilst someone with the title Fencer, whilst possibly in a level 60 guild too, will not give the same impression.Leave guild rewards for what they were/are, status symbols, not endgame content.</blockquote>/clapVery, very well said.

SpritRaja

04-22-2007, 04:24 AM

No killing involved? Awesome I can now go get my lvl 20 boxed alt and train through loping plains for the best mount in the game. Congratulations Devs you have made yourselves look dumb again.

sah

04-22-2007, 05:08 AM

Saphira@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>No killing involved? Awesome I can now go get my lvl 20 boxed alt and train through loping plains for the best mount in the game. Congratulations Devs you have made yourselves look dumb again. </blockquote> Actually, someone previously said that you have to be lvl 61 to get the quest...not sure if that info is accurate or not though...And still, it is the 2nd best mount in the game...not the best..... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Tokam

04-22-2007, 07:53 AM

ZUES

04-22-2007, 09:44 AM

"Leave guild rewards for what they were/are, status symbols, not endgame content."I couldn't agree more. If everyone wants the game to stay the same then perhaps their playing the wrong game. I welcome anything new and happy to see this new mount.

Wingrider01

04-22-2007, 10:56 AM

Saphira@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>No killing involved? Awesome I can now go get my lvl 20 boxed alt and train through loping plains for the best mount in the game. Congratulations Devs you have made yourselves look dumb again. </blockquote> Just the same as the level 25 that is an alt of a level 60 guild that is running around on this horseWar Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)Status point are very easy to get, if you are willing to spend the time and the plat. What they really need to do is add level restrictions on the horse's

Emerix

04-22-2007, 11:26 AM

A mount that costs 10 plat should not be as fast as a free one . So im happy if the warg is faster than the carpet .

ashen1973

04-22-2007, 11:49 AM

I for one think the addition of the 50% run speed is a great idea.My guild is in the 50's, and I will still want my guild to reach 60.I think its nice to have a choice, i'll still have a cavalry horse for my Pally when I can get it (just think a plate wearer would look much better on a war horse, rather than a wolf or carpet)My Ratonga wizzy will probably get the wolf moutn, as I think this would probably look pretty good.If I hade an Erudite or elf type mage, then I'd probably stick with the carpet, this would suit them.Its all about having choices, the more choice the better for me.And as for removing the reason to reach guild level 60, whats wrong with doing it just for the sense of accomplishment you gain?

Sunrayn

04-22-2007, 12:12 PM

<cite>sahet wrote:</cite><blockquote>Saphira@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>No killing involved? Awesome I can now go get my lvl 20 boxed alt and train through loping plains for the best mount in the game. Congratulations Devs you have made yourselves look dumb again. </blockquote> Actually, someone previously said that you have to be lvl 61 to get the quest...not sure if that info is accurate or not though...And still, it is the 2nd best mount in the game...not the best..... <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> The quest is lvl 61. Wife and I did it last night on test. Her 58 ranger, my 59 templar. So, it is possible to do at those levels. Of course, we had my 67 guard to take the hits from the wolves while she and my healer cast the muzzle.There was another change made in addition to increased run speed. I seriously doubt the other change will go live though, at least, I hope it doesnt.*Edit* Couldnt get the quest with my 40 ranger, just tried it.~Sunrayn--Test server

XeroXs84

04-22-2007, 01:00 PM

any screenshots of the new mount available? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Emerix

04-22-2007, 01:13 PM

check offical news on webby or just do a search you

Drewx

04-22-2007, 02:47 PM

<img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Awesome Grimwell!!! Thank you Devs!! <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I'm happy to hear it is 50%. I think alot of the people here in Guilds are forgetting something. You are not the only people playing this game!! This game if I remember correctly "SINCE ITS LAUNCH" was to be a game that is friendly towards hardcore and casual gamers. Also it was said to keep an even playing field between Casual, Solo, and Hardcore gamers. That way everyone can play together happily.I myself have played this game since the 1st day it came out. I have not joined a guild on ANY of my characters. Why? I dislike guilds for the drama some have, the oppressive attitude some have, and I do not like to feel obligated to do quest and etc.(I know there aregood guilds out there, they just are not my forte) Some people just feel bad wriggling into a lvl 60 guilds, buying some mounts, and items and either sticking around in it outta fear of a bad rep or leaving. To add to that I don't see ANY lvl 60 guilds inviting people unless they are an alt of someone in the guild or they have tested (for months on end) the hell out of the player wanting admission. However I have a deep respect for the lvl 60 guilds. Whenever I see someone on a Nightmare horse or its good equivilent(sp?), the title: Count or Countess, walk into a home that has several status items, I know they worked hard for that mount. Writs are no joke due to their pathetic reward, its takes TONS of them to get anything accomplished...However aside from mounts, Guilds get options for Status Clothing, Status Furniture (Like that amazing mailbox for your home), Charms, Titles, and etc.What do casual players and exiles get? Nada. If memory serves me right unlike casual players...Exiles can ONLY buy the DoF horses, and unless you are atleast lvl 55(if you are solo) grinding the DoF factions takes time...and PvP server Exiles...poor souls.Pretty much there are the default (ugly looking) horses that are 24% 32% and 40% runspeed, then there is the Free Magic Carpet (a true lifesaver for people who cannot afford a horse), then you have DoF Horses which have 40% runspeed and buff your crushing, piercing, and slashing.Then you have the Guild Horses, which go from 48% to I believe 50% AND they give you some serious buffs.Now(soon to be) there is the Warg/Worg...and it from what I've heard it just has 50% runspeed. So overall...it is purely a travel mount while the other mounts have some combat use as well. I hate fighting on mounts anyways so it matters not to me, it doesn't look very natural...maybe it's because the horse is grazing casually while I'm deadlocked in mortal combat with a squadron of Droags...I dunno.Be happy for us casual, solo, and exile players for once! Now if the Warg/Worg was 50% runspeed, increased crushing, piercing, and slashing, and gave all the buffs of the lvl 60 guild horses, I would agree that it would be demeaning the lvl 60 guild horses and would be unfair. However all it has is 50% runspeed...big whoop! Aside from mounts, items, and titles, the 60 guilds are organized enough to experience content no casual player can...Deception, DoF's epic questline, Swords of Destiny, the ending raids to the adventure packs. In the end you still have the better end of the stick; so please be happy for the casual players.

Finora

04-22-2007, 02:54 PM

If the mount is going to be 50% speed that quest should be harder and longer than it sounds like it is. Talk about stomping on toes and making people feel like work they've done was pointless (not something you want to happen in a game like this anymore often than you can help it, and this certainly could be helped).I don't have a char on test high enough yet to get the quest to test it myself but 50% runspeed for a considerably lower price than any other 50/48% mount that are a lot harder to get for doing a quest that is apparently far easier than the carpet quest was when it first came out seems way off. The quest should be comparable in effort to at least a heritage quest (not talking epic ones, just the typical heroic ones) anything less is simply too much reward for too little effort.

Cocytus

04-22-2007, 03:01 PM

lol So many people are just ignoring possibly the most well thought-out post in this thread. (Wooe's) So what if it's as fast as your guild level 60 horse? Your horse is a symbol of status that only people with your guild level can have. It should not be seen as "end game gear/content".However, I talked with a friend of mine last night...She actually thinks the guild mounts should be free, too, because you already did all the work getting your guild to the level required for said mount, why should it cost money too?Food for thought. Good idea to make guild mounts free too IMO, and refund the money of those who have bought them. They've refunded money before, so I'm sure they could do it again (nerfed adornments a few months ago got refunds.)

Finora

04-22-2007, 03:07 PM

<cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol So many people are just ignoring possibly the most well thought-out post in this thread. (Wooe's) So what if it's as fast as your guild level 60 horse? Your horse is a symbol of status that only people with your guild level can have. It should not be seen as "end game gear/content".However, I talked with a friend of mine last night...She actually thinks the guild mounts should be free, too, because you already did all the work getting your guild to the level required for said mount, why should it cost money too?Food for thought. Good idea to make guild mounts free too IMO, and refund the money of those who have bought them. They've refunded money before, so I'm sure they could do it again (nerfed adornments a few months ago got refunds.)</blockquote>Not ignoring it. Simply stating that the reward for a super easy quest shouldn't COST lessplat than the reward that took multiple people (in most cases) months and even years to be able to purchase.I'm not at all saying unguilded people or exiles shouldn't be able to get something that is equal. I'm just saying it should either 1) cost more coin or 2) have a quest that requires some effort and time to do (reports have been 10 min or so for the quest on test, the challenge of that really isn't up to the reward I can't see how anyone could argue that it is, the 40% carpet is harder to get).

sylknite

04-22-2007, 03:24 PM

Not that this will ever be done, but i have to say what irritates me is that the fastest permanent speed you can go is like 55% (I am not sure ive never been in a high level guild). All runspeeds like this are lost in combat anyways so why force the population to move so slow between zones. Sure there are boats, bells, griffons. But even still I would like to see all mounts increases in speed accross the board. Totally off topic, but of the days upon days of playtime i have in this game i would say that slightly less than half of it is spent running from one place to the next. Maybe city of heroes spoiled me i dont know. As far as the question of the 40% reward for a quest plus 10p vs the CQ, well if it looks cool I will do it.

sylknite

04-22-2007, 03:29 PM

Heh just read about the test update to 50% so let me amend my previous statement and say that at 50% for quest + plat puts me in the same position. If it looks cool i will do it. SuperSpeed + SuperJump FTW.

gnarkill

04-22-2007, 03:46 PM

Sweet! Exiles can get a 50% mount now GG SoE (for once) <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Valdaglerion

04-22-2007, 03:59 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote>LOL I'm sorry but I just dont see your argument as to any kind of "unbalance". Level 60 guilds atm allow any level players to purchase a guild level 60 mount. This is a little bit cheaper but it has to be quested for. We higher level player finally got a mount that a twink cant get. I love it. And thank God for a new "non-horse" mount!Think about solo players that dont like to be bothered by guildies begging them to attend raids or help on a quest. Thats their play style. I respect it and give props to the devs for including content for them as well.</blockquote>War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)Do you see that number? Its called status. Do you know how status is gained? Either by killing raid mobs in a guild (in effect adding to the guild level), By doing LOTS of quests called writs, by killing ALOT of mobs and obtaining thousands and thousands of status items or a mix of the above. DO you know how long it took test people to finish the quest series and get the new mount ON TEST? 10 minutes.There is no BALANCE. The new quest mounts are cheaper, easier to obtain and/or faster then ANYOTHER MOUNT IN GAME. </blockquote> Do you know how long it takes to BUY status items on our server and/or plat from the plat sellers and totally twink out an alt? About 10 minutes and a lot less effort than having to be a lvl 61+ toon to even get the quest in Loping Plains for this mount. Personally, I have said before it takes little to no effort to get into a lvl 60 guild and buy a mount. And lets not start the whole fact there are lvl 60 guilds who let people in temporarily for a "fee" just so they can buy their mounts and leave. I would love to see all guild rewards rendered useless if you are no longer in a guild of the appropriate level for that reward but that is another thread.

Valdaglerion

04-22-2007, 04:02 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>Kinuun wrote:</cite><blockquote>I was a little disappointed to hear that the worgs were originally 40% and the 10pp and quested, but I'm elated to hear its bumped up to 50%. Makes it acually worth the time... P.S. You forgot HQ's, Gungo. That's how I get all my status. </blockquote> Ok so whats takes longer the 10 minute quest for the new mount. OR doing all 30 HQ's to obtain aproximately 500,000 status.</blockquote>It actually takes only about 12-14 HQ's to get that much status. But easier yet is to buy your status items and you can do those instantly on our server. So many guilds are totally screwed if they ever make status items No-Trade. Then we would see how many guilds could actually reach 60 on their own efforts and not the efforts of bot brigades in game that turn around and auction off or sell (depending on your server) those items.

Valdaglerion

04-22-2007, 04:07 PM

Computer MAn wrote: <blockquote>I really hope they raise the price on these mounts because as Gungo has said you have completely trivialized the need to be in a lvl 50-60 guild. Horses are really the ONLY reason to level a guild up these days and now you have eliminated one of those reasons, raise the price to 30p or make the quest signifigantly harder and I would have no issue but muzzling 3 wargs and paying to 10p to get the best mount in the game is completely unbalanced. So now we will see every botter running on around on 50% mounts instead of 40% carpets I can't wait! </blockquote>Only the ones which are lvl 61+ because unlike the carpet quest this one requires you to be lvl 61 to get the quest.

Valdaglerion

04-22-2007, 04:14 PM

<cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol So many people are just ignoring possibly the most well thought-out post in this thread. (Wooe's) So what if it's as fast as your guild level 60 horse? Your horse is a symbol of status that only people with your guild level can have. It should not be seen as "end game gear/content".However, I talked with a friend of mine last night...She actually thinks the guild mounts should be free, too, because you already did all the work getting your guild to the level required for said mount, why should it cost money too?Food for thought. Good idea to make guild mounts free too IMO, and refund the money of those who have bought them. They've refunded money before, so I'm sure they could do it again (nerfed adornments a few months ago got refunds.)</blockquote>From previous discussions the problem really lies with the entrance into guilds and the fact that anyone can get into a guild with little to no effort or buy entrance to get rewards. I can only imagine what would happen if guild rewards were free, ouch. Every botter would be in a level 60 guild with high end mounts for free...no thanks.

smut

04-22-2007, 04:58 PM

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Computer MAn wrote: <blockquote>I really hope they raise the price on these mounts because as Gungo has said you have completely trivialized the need to be in a lvl 50-60 guild. Horses are really the ONLY reason to level a guild up these days and now you have eliminated one of those reasons, raise the price to 30p or make the quest signifigantly harder and I would have no issue but muzzling 3 wargs and paying to 10p to get the best mount in the game is completely unbalanced. So now we will see every botter running on around on 50% mounts instead of 40% carpets I can't wait! </blockquote>Only the ones which are lvl 61+ because unlike the carpet quest this one requires you to be lvl 61 to get the quest. </blockquote> Not true, someone just posted that they got the quest as 57-59 toons.

ke'la

04-22-2007, 05:37 PM

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote>LOL I'm sorry but I just dont see your argument as to any kind of "unbalance". Level 60 guilds atm allow any level players to purchase a guild level 60 mount. This is a little bit cheaper but it has to be quested for. We higher level player finally got a mount that a twink cant get. I love it. And thank God for a new "non-horse" mount!Think about solo players that dont like to be bothered by guildies begging them to attend raids or help on a quest. Thats their play style. I respect it and give props to the devs for including content for them as well.</blockquote>War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)Do you see that number? Its called status. Do you know how status is gained? Either by killing raid mobs in a guild (in effect adding to the guild level), By doing LOTS of quests called writs, by killing ALOT of mobs and obtaining thousands and thousands of status items or a mix of the above. DO you know how long it took test people to finish the quest series and get the new mount ON TEST? 10 minutes.There is no BALANCE. The new quest mounts are cheaper, easier to obtain and/or faster then ANYOTHER MOUNT IN GAME. </blockquote> Do you know how long it takes to BUY status items on our server and/or plat from the plat sellers and totally twink out an alt? About 10 minutes and a lot less effort than having to be a lvl 61+ toon to even get the quest in Loping Plains for this mount. Personally, I have said before it takes little to no effort to get into a lvl 60 guild and buy a mount. And lets not start the whole fact there are lvl 60 guilds who let people in temporarily for a "fee" just so they can buy their mounts and leave. I would love to see all guild rewards rendered useless if you are no longer in a guild of the appropriate level for that reward but that is another thread. </blockquote>Do you know how much Plat it takes to BUY status iteams.... Assuming the 650 status iteam is the Berillium Relic(I think it is), it is currently 4g each on my server(the one that starts with X is 10g each and there was only 10 available) you need 691 of the 650 status relics to get that amount of status that works out to ~ 27p 64g (assuming you can get 691 of those relics) add the 14p 36g, now that "EASY TO GET" guild mount cost you 42p, I do beleave 42p is just about 4x harder to get then a 10min quest + 10p and your basicly getting the same mount. No this won't do what the Buffing the carpet did and make it so EVERYONE is now riding a Warg. ::EDIT::Added the underlined text

gnarkill

04-22-2007, 07:22 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>ZUES wrote: faster then ANYOTHER MOUNT IN GAME. </blockquote> 50% is faster then 50%? Sweet!

sah

04-22-2007, 07:56 PM

<cite>Kirstie wrote:</cite><blockquote>*** Mounts *** - Halved the price of all Wargs, increased the speed on them to 50% </blockquote> from the test update notes... <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Computer MAn

04-22-2007, 08:06 PM

Way to go Sony you have essentially screwed out everyone who worked for hours to level a guild. You now have a 50% mount that is the same price as a 34% mount, how much sense does that make, I mean really you have to be completely stupid to think that this change is in the best interst for this game. How long does it take you to make plat in this game? I hunted in New Tunaria for 4 hours yesterday got 5 masters that I have sold for 100pp total. It takes zero effort to make plat in this game yet the warg is now half the price it once was.

Valdaglerion

04-22-2007, 09:01 PM

<cite>smut wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Computer MAn wrote: <blockquote>I really hope they raise the price on these mounts because as Gungo has said you have completely trivialized the need to be in a lvl 50-60 guild. Horses are really the ONLY reason to level a guild up these days and now you have eliminated one of those reasons, raise the price to 30p or make the quest signifigantly harder and I would have no issue but muzzling 3 wargs and paying to 10p to get the best mount in the game is completely unbalanced. So now we will see every botter running on around on 50% mounts instead of 40% carpets I can't wait! </blockquote>Only the ones which are lvl 61+ because unlike the carpet quest this one requires you to be lvl 61 to get the quest. </blockquote> Not true, someone just posted that they got the quest as 57-59 toons. </blockquote>Yes, and more changes to come this week for this quest. Tried to get it with a 42 and couldnt but not sure where the high end is. I have a gap between toons at the moment.

NorrinRadd

04-22-2007, 09:15 PM

I have a question because I want to make sure I'm understanding the issue at hand here. Player "A" is in a Lvl 60 Guild, Player "B" is in a Lvl 48 Guild as an example,and after LU34 is implemented both will be able to acquire a Mount that has a Runspeed of 50%,(actually Player "A" will have two options~WolfMount and/or GuildHorse) why is this viewed as a "Bad" Thing? Why should someone who is in a Guild that has reached Lvl 60 be able to use a Mount that travels faster than any other Mount that someone who's Guild is not Lvl 60 or is Guildless can travel? How does this affect Gameplay or make attaining Lvl 60 as a Guild an insignificant accomplishment?

Valdaglerion

04-22-2007, 09:21 PM

ke'la wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote>LOL I'm sorry but I just dont see your argument as to any kind of "unbalance". Level 60 guilds atm allow any level players to purchase a guild level 60 mount. This is a little bit cheaper but it has to be quested for. We higher level player finally got a mount that a twink cant get. I love it. And thank God for a new "non-horse" mount!Think about solo players that dont like to be bothered by guildies begging them to attend raids or help on a quest. Thats their play style. I respect it and give props to the devs for including content for them as well.</blockquote>War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)Do you see that number? Its called status. Do you know how status is gained? Either by killing raid mobs in a guild (in effect adding to the guild level), By doing LOTS of quests called writs, by killing ALOT of mobs and obtaining thousands and thousands of status items or a mix of the above. DO you know how long it took test people to finish the quest series and get the new mount ON TEST? 10 minutes.There is no BALANCE. The new quest mounts are cheaper, easier to obtain and/or faster then ANYOTHER MOUNT IN GAME. </blockquote> Do you know how long it takes to BUY status items on our server and/or plat from the plat sellers and totally twink out an alt? About 10 minutes and a lot less effort than having to be a lvl 61+ toon to even get the quest in Loping Plains for this mount. Personally, I have said before it takes little to no effort to get into a lvl 60 guild and buy a mount. And lets not start the whole fact there are lvl 60 guilds who let people in temporarily for a "fee" just so they can buy their mounts and leave. I would love to see all guild rewards rendered useless if you are no longer in a guild of the appropriate level for that reward but that is another thread. </blockquote>Do you know how much Plat it takes to BUY status iteams.... Assuming the 650 status iteam is the Berillium Relic(I think it is), it is currently 4g each on my server(the one that starts with X is 10g each and there was only 10 available) you need 691 of the 650 status relics to get that amount of status that works out to ~ 27p 64g (assuming you can get 691 of those relics) add the 14p 36g, now that "EASY TO GET" guild mount cost you 42p, I do beleave 42p is just about 4x harder to get then a 10min quest + 10p and your basicly getting the same mount. No this won't do what the Buffing the carpet did and make it so EVERYONE is now riding a Warg. ::EDIT::Added the underlined text</blockquote>Yep , check them often. T7 items give 650 SP and they are Xegonite and Berillium, kinda odd they both give the same SP but yeah, anyway. They are actually T8 items which are emerald and you rarely see those for sale (they give 800). The 650 SP items sell for 1-2g on our server and there are thousands of each of the 4 kinds at any given time. Considering plat is easy to come by and relatively cheap the cost of the status for the mount turns out to be around 12-15plat on our server, a penance really when considering the amount of time it would take you to earn that much status the traditional way. As I said previously, when status items become no-trade, "Status" items will actually have some meaning because the individual toons will have to earn them. With the current implementation you can buy your status so you dont really know who has earned them and who has bought their way to the top. The titles in the game which still have meaning are those available only through writs (city and a few in dof, not the majdul ones as faction there can be purchased as well by tokens). The guild titles dont really mean anything either other than you purchased them at some point and at some point you were in a guild of X level to buy them. Modifying those titles and all other guild rewards to only available if you are in a guild of that level makes them interesting. Means you have to earn the right to stay in that guild in order to use your rewards, no joining, buying and leaving...Of course the guild should lose all SP associated with a member if they leave the guild. Makes it more symbiotic. Guilds need to keep their members to keep from losing their level and members to to stay in their guild in order to keep use their rewards. Hmmm....nah, too logical I guess <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Valdaglerion

04-22-2007, 09:32 PM

<cite>NorrinRadd wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have a question because I want to make sure I'm understanding the issue at hand here. Player "A" is in a Lvl 60 Guild, Player "B" is in a Lvl 48 Guild as an example,and after LU34 is implemented both will be able to acquire a Mount that has a Runspeed of 50%,(actually Player "A" will have two options~WolfMount and/or GuildHorse) why is this viewed as a "Bad" Thing? Why should someone who is in a Guild that has reached Lvl 60 be able to use a Mount that travels faster than any other Mount that someone who's Guild is not Lvl 60 or is Guildless can travel? How does this affect Gameplay or make attaining Lvl 60 as a Guild an insignificant accomplishment?</blockquote> Personally, I think the guild reward system is bunk. You want status rewards, do them based on personal accomplishments. My guild is level 35 but I am ranked in the top 100 worldwide for personal status points but I cant buy a top end mount. So do you really think its right that just because someone is in a lvl 60 guild they can buy those items that others who havent wanted to join a lvl 60 guild cant?? This goes back to my earlier statement about the level of effort really needed to get those rewards. Guild rewards should only be based on the status of a guild and not affect the personal players. They are meant to be items of status. The cloaks are a good example. Sure, anyone of the appropriate level can have those cloaks but the appearances become more elaborate the higher your guild and oh yes, if you leave the guild so does your elaborate appearance so why arent they other rewards the same. Items which affect your "uberness" which are currently guild status should be left the the player level. Again, IMHO, guild level rewards should be something along this line: <ul><li>cloak appearances</li><li>additional bank slots</li><li>if we ever get them, better guild housing available</li><li>merchant discounts (hey, if your guild has leveled up and gotten a good reputation you would think the city would want to retain your residency so you should get a little discount)</li><li>Discounts at the crafting instances as well</li><li>Perhaps availability to some status reduction items for your house</li></ul>Thats just my opinion....

valkyrja

04-22-2007, 10:25 PM

IMO, if they dont revamp guild mounts, this is a total slap in the face to all guilds in the game, not just level 60 ones...

Selioth

04-22-2007, 10:47 PM

cry more, ive lvled 3 guilds to 60 and now am on my way to lvling a 4th, this time in exile and this will give me a chance to get another mount = to what i had, you can still buy all the other stuff, quit your crying about mounts, there not the only thing in the world city alined guilds get

ShadowMunkie

04-22-2007, 10:57 PM

For all you level 60 guilds in the game and any other guild that hasn't yet made it to level 60, I applaud you all. Just because your in a level 60 guild doesn't mean that other people that are guild-less, can't acquire the same as a guild personnel. I think it is unfair because all us(Yes us! I am actually in a level 58 guild that I love.) level 60 guilds are able to buy a 50% run speed mount and all the non-guild, can't. I think its only fair that the people that wish to play as a Rogue(No not the profession!) have the ability to buy the same run speed mount as everyone else. Heck, you got a carpet thats at 40% for free, so why waste your time with any other mount? Some professions don't even have to buy mounts period. So don't be dissing something just because you took the time to get your guild to level 60 and they added something after you achieved that. It's not like mounts are the only thing that a level 60 guild gets.

Cocytus

04-22-2007, 11:18 PM

Yeah. Too many people kinda have that "screw you, get a guild" attitude.Is it *really* harder to level up a guild and buy a mount? Or is it harder to solo without any help from any guild? IMO, it's harder to solo, without any guild assistance at all...No reason not to reward the effort.Unless you're a farmer. Meh. Farmers shouldn't force the non-farmers out of benefits though.Two of my 4 70's would have virtually no masters if it wasn't for guild assistance /shrugThe debate can go on I guess but SOE's making the right choice imo - just wish they'd remove the cost altogether <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Hellswrath

04-22-2007, 11:48 PM

<cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah. Too many people kinda have that "screw you, get a guild" attitude.Is it *really* harder to level up a guild and buy a mount? Or is it harder to solo without any help from any guild? IMO, it's harder to solo, without any guild assistance at all...No reason not to reward the effort.Unless you're a farmer. Meh. Farmers shouldn't force the non-farmers out of benefits though.Two of my 4 70's would have virtually no masters if it wasn't for guild assistance /shrugThe debate can go on I guess but SOE's making the right choice imo - just wish they'd remove the cost altogether <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> I very much agree that the "screw you, get a guild" attitude is unacceptable. But the only people who should ever comment about the ease of attaining guild level 60 are those that have (or are very close to) accomplished it. Realize that HQs will not get your guild to level 60. It will take raiding and/or writs. A huge number of them. It is not easy. It takes a great deal of time and effort by everyone involved. I think the idea of reducing the cost on guild level 60 mounts to match the cost of wargs should be evaluated. I do not think they should be free, as anyone that really helped the guild make it that far presumably has 5 plat to spare for the mount. There should be better rewards available to guilds for achieving lvl 60 than exist now, considering the mounts are only a fractional improvement over the new wargs. These rewards should not be a giant advantage over other players who are not in lvl 60 guilds, but it really is unacceptable as it stands now.

Computer MAn

04-22-2007, 11:56 PM

If the mount cost a decent amount I wouldn't have a major issue with it as I am sure many others feel the same way. Its the simple fact that the mount costs 5p which irks me the most. I can either buy a nightmare for 20p a warbranded for 15 or a warg for 5. It makes absolutely no sense at all and the cost of the warg needs to be adjusted. Make the warg cost 20-25p to compensate for the fact that you don't need to be in a level 60 guild and I would have NO issue with its run speed.

Blakeavon

04-23-2007, 12:20 AM

too many people seem to reallyhave a strange opinion... its the same people who go AFk in Qeynos Harbour, or prance about on their lvl 60 horse or raid. um news flash NO ONE CARES!you want all these flashy i-am-so-uber items and tinkets great. but for the most part, they dont make you better or more important.i am in a small quiet guild, we are close knit have heaps of fun. we have been slaving our butts off for the last few weeks and are almost guild lvl 30 and with only 6-10 people helping getting it there it is a HUGE deal that we are almost there.Do i care that in a few days i can now getting a faster mount for cheaper than the pure epic time i have personally put in to get my guild so i can a spirit horse NOOOOOO. its great now the devs can see that the high end guildless players have a chance to get something for being exile ...great.because the amoutns of serious hardcore playersi see in the 60's makes the idea of being involved in a highend guild merely cringe-worthy.for all you moping that your lvl 60 mounts are being outdown by a quested item... heres a thought for you... i think you are seriously missing the reason for guilds, why they exist, why do you level them... personally i find it replusive that the only reason you have levelled your guild is too get a horse.... sure i want my guild to get to 30 to get my spirit horse, but i take pride that with our size we have grown so much, and find great comfort that a group people work together.in short quested mount=goodcomplainers=no-one except yourselves see high lvl guild horsies are some form STATUS symbol like a bmw.

Hellswrath

04-23-2007, 12:40 AM

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>ke'la wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote>LOL I'm sorry but I just dont see your argument as to any kind of "unbalance". Level 60 guilds atm allow any level players to purchase a guild level 60 mount. This is a little bit cheaper but it has to be quested for. We higher level player finally got a mount that a twink cant get. I love it. And thank God for a new "non-horse" mount!Think about solo players that dont like to be bothered by guildies begging them to attend raids or help on a quest. Thats their play style. I respect it and give props to the devs for including content for them as well.</blockquote>War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)Do you see that number? Its called status. Do you know how status is gained? Either by killing raid mobs in a guild (in effect adding to the guild level), By doing LOTS of quests called writs, by killing ALOT of mobs and obtaining thousands and thousands of status items or a mix of the above. DO you know how long it took test people to finish the quest series and get the new mount ON TEST? 10 minutes.There is no BALANCE. The new quest mounts are cheaper, easier to obtain and/or faster then ANYOTHER MOUNT IN GAME. </blockquote> Do you know how long it takes to BUY status items on our server and/or plat from the plat sellers and totally twink out an alt? About 10 minutes and a lot less effort than having to be a lvl 61+ toon to even get the quest in Loping Plains for this mount. Personally, I have said before it takes little to no effort to get into a lvl 60 guild and buy a mount. And lets not start the whole fact there are lvl 60 guilds who let people in temporarily for a "fee" just so they can buy their mounts and leave. I would love to see all guild rewards rendered useless if you are no longer in a guild of the appropriate level for that reward but that is another thread. </blockquote>Do you know how much Plat it takes to BUY status iteams.... Assuming the 650 status iteam is the Berillium Relic(I think it is), it is currently 4g each on my server(the one that starts with X is 10g each and there was only 10 available) you need 691 of the 650 status relics to get that amount of status that works out to ~ 27p 64g (assuming you can get 691 of those relics) add the 14p 36g, now that "EASY TO GET" guild mount cost you 42p, I do beleave 42p is just about 4x harder to get then a 10min quest + 10p and your basicly getting the same mount. No this won't do what the Buffing the carpet did and make it so EVERYONE is now riding a Warg. ::EDIT::Added the underlined text</blockquote>Yep , check them often. T7 items give 650 SP and they are Xegonite and Berillium, kinda odd they both give the same SP but yeah, anyway. They are actually T8 items which are emerald and you rarely see those for sale (they give 800). The 650 SP items sell for 1-2g on our server and there are thousands of each of the 4 kinds at any given time. Considering plat is easy to come by and relatively cheap the cost of the status for the mount turns out to be around 12-15plat on our server, a penance really when considering the amount of time it would take you to earn that much status the traditional way. As I said previously, when status items become no-trade, "Status" items will actually have some meaning because the individual toons will have to earn them. With the current implementation you can buy your status so you dont really know who has earned them and who has bought their way to the top. The titles in the game which still have meaning are those available only through writs (city and a few in dof, not the majdul ones as faction there can be purchased as well by tokens). The guild titles dont really mean anything either other than you purchased them at some point and at some point you were in a guild of X level to buy them. Modifying those titles and all other guild rewards to only available if you are in a guild of that level makes them interesting. Means you have to earn the right to stay in that guild in order to use your rewards, no joining, buying and leaving...Of course the guild should lose all SP associated with a member if they leave the guild. Makes it more symbiotic. Guilds need to keep their members to keep from losing their level and members to to stay in their guild in order to keep use their rewards. Hmmm....nah, too logical I guess <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> Instead of posting 7 times to reply to your previous post, I'm just going to discuss it all here.First of all, the quest is lvl 61. Traditionally there is a 5 level rule in the game that allows a person to pick up a quest if they are 5 levels below the quest level. Hence, this quest is most likely able to be received at lvl 56.As for the statement you made that you would like to see how many guilds made it to lvl 60 without buying status items. I never thought this was an appropriate way to level a guild. When my guild reches 60 in the next week or two, then you will be able to at least add one to your list. And I know we aren't the first. The amount of status items you need to purchase to even begin to make a dent in the guild level towards 60 is rediculous if you look at how much each writ ups the exp bar. I think the no-trade idea you had for status items is excellent. This would quickly end a great deal of botting profit.The argument that guild titles and mounts mean nothing because people can join, buy their rewards, and leave is not accurate however. As has been previously pointed out to you by several other people, GLs have the option of restricting the ability to purchase status rewards to particular ranks. For example, my guild does not allow you to purchase status items until you are a full member and have finished your petitioner period. I know other guilds that have similar policies. Yes, there are still guilds that give the option of paying them to let you in and buy your horse/title and then leave. However, these guilds have earned bad reputations as a result. The point about people needing to lose their titles/mounts if they leave the guild was an excellent idea, I think.In regards to people leaving resulting in losing the status they contributed. What about the work put in by the people who helped that person finish the HQ they got that status from? Or the help they gave him doing those heroic writs? This system used to exist before some of the details about earning guild status were changed, and it was a disaster. I'm glad this was changed and hope it never goes back.In the end I think you have some great ideas about the status items being no trade and some additional guild rewards to make the level worth while. I would love to see some of these implemented.

Iseabeil

04-23-2007, 12:49 AM

I think many overplay the concept of speed and what should be required to achieve high speed. Make a bard class, level it up to 41 so you get Selo's accelerating chorus, 17 AA to fill harbinger's sonnet (not hard to do as long as you do a few quests along the way) and get a set of 6 pieces of harmonious blood mail (DFC crafted stuff) and voilá! You can now give yourself and your group 50% runspeed that even works indoors, wich essentially outclasses the guild lvl 60 mounts unless you really want the stats from them. You don't even have to be *in*a guild to accomplish this. Will it look as much as an accomplishment as the higher tier mounts tho? No. My 47 dirge runs as fast as my 70 illusionist on her guild level 60 spirit horse, but it doesnt have the flare to it in the same way. If the warg runs same speed as well.. It wont be more gamebreaking then it is with level 41 bards running at the very same speed.

Hellswrath

04-23-2007, 12:50 AM

Prideaux@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>too many people seem to reallyhave a strange opinion... its the same people who go AFk in Qeynos Harbour, or prance about on their lvl 60 horse or raid. um news flash NO ONE CARES!you want all these flashy i-am-so-uber items and tinkets great. but for the most part, they dont make you better or more important.i am in a small quiet guild, we are close knit have heaps of fun. we have been slaving our butts off for the last few weeks and are almost guild lvl 30 and with only 6-10 people helping getting it there it is a HUGE deal that we are almost there.Do i care that in a few days i can now getting a faster mount for cheaper than the pure epic time i have personally put in to get my guild so i can a spirit horse NOOOOOO. its great now the devs can see that the high end guildless players have a chance to get something for being exile ...great.because the amoutns of serious hardcore playersi see in the 60's makes the idea of being involved in a highend guild merely cringe-worthy.for all you moping that your lvl 60 mounts are being outdown by a quested item... heres a thought for you... i think you are seriously missing the reason for guilds, why they exist, why do you level them... personally i find it replusive that the only reason you have levelled your guild is too get a horse.... sure i want my guild to get to 30 to get my spirit horse, but i take pride that with our size we have grown so much, and find great comfort that a group people work together.in short quested mount=goodcomplainers=no-one except yourselves see high lvl guild horsies are some form STATUS symbol like a bmw.</blockquote> ROFL. Ok, if no one cares, then why has this thread reached page 9?Don't get me wrong. My friends and I have done the trick of trying to level a guild to 30 with only 6 or so of us. It really is a great accomplishment and you should be very proud. Grats. Really.However, realize how proud those of us are who have organized a bigger group of people to put in the long term effort required to reach 60. We would like to see some well deserved rewards for this. Just because a person is in a level 60 guild and has the associated rewards does not mean that is the only reason they worked to level the guild. I will agree that some people are taking it too far on complaining about the mounts, but that doesn't mean there should be no significant rewards for hitting 60.

Gungo

04-23-2007, 01:24 AM

Its not about prestige its not about being uber its EFFORT vs reward. The simple fact is this horse is slap in the face to everyone who put in effort to get a lvl 60 mount. Personal status, guilds status 3x the coin value make every single other mount absolete. i am going to list why this is VERY bad idea to increase the new mount speed to 50%. Purchasable mounts in eq2- Steppes Pony, Parade Steppes Pony, Halasian Draft Horse, and Parade Halasian Draft Horse- 24% run speed Regular Price: 2 platinum, 45 gold, 76 silver Guild Discount: 52,500 status, 1 platinum, 38 gold, 42 silver (Guild Level: 15) Karana Planes Rider, Parade Karana Plainsrider, Misty Mustang, Parade Misty Mustang- 32% run speed Regular Price: 3 platinum, 68 gold, 64 silver Guild Discount: 80,000 status, 2 platinum, 7 gold, 36 silver (Guild Level: 20) Elder Charger, Parade Elder Charger, Rujarkian Hillsrunner, Parade Rujarkian Hillsrunner-40% Regular Price: 9 platinum, 83 gold, 4 silver Guild Discount: 112,500 status, 5 platinum, 52 gold, 96 silver (Guild Level: 25)Spirit Steed,Majdul Enchanted scroll- 48% Runspeed Price: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80 gold (Guild Level 30) Court Faction Horses: The following horses now require faction and quests completed to even PURCHASE. The following horses require ally (40,000+ faction) with ONE of the courts in Maj'Dul. Horses with custom saddle colors are only available from the court you have ally faction with. Rujarkiak Destrier, Dervish Destrier- 40% runspeed and 4.7 to slash, crush, peirce, and focus Regular Price: 14platinum Guild Discount: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80g (Guild Level: 35) Nightmare, Mistrunner- 48% Runspeed and 300 to all magic resists Price: 400,000 status, 19 platinum, 20 gold, 1 copper (Guild Level 40)War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)In this one change EVERY SINGLE GUILD REWARD HORSE is absolutley useless. Not only does the new quest mount look different. It is now as fast if not faster, cheaper and takes less time and effort required. All guild mounts are completely obsolete with this change. Horses need to be reevaluted in general or this mount needs to be reduced to 45% at the MOST, just above the OTHER free mount quest.P.s. The above prices does not even reflect the time necessary to level a guild to the appropriate level OR the time required to build enough personal faction. The new mount is a 5plat 50% runspeed 10 min quest mount and it doesnt add up. Any and all form of mount balance went out the window with this change.

Drewx

04-23-2007, 01:35 AM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>Its not about prestige its not about being uber its EFFORT vs reward. The simple fact is this horse is slap in the face to everyone who put in effort to get a lvl 60 mount. Personal status, guilds status 3x the coin value make every single other mount absolete. i am going to list why this is VERY bad idea to increase the new mount speed to 50%. Purchasable mounts in eq2- Steppes Pony, Parade Steppes Pony, Halasian Draft Horse, and Parade Halasian Draft Horse- 24% run speed Regular Price: 2 platinum, 45 gold, 76 silver Guild Discount: 52,500 status, 1 platinum, 38 gold, 42 silver (Guild Level: 15) Karana Planes Rider, Parade Karana Plainsrider, Misty Mustang, Parade Misty Mustang- 32% run speed Regular Price: 3 platinum, 68 gold, 64 silver Guild Discount: 80,000 status, 2 platinum, 7 gold, 36 silver (Guild Level: 20) Elder Charger, Parade Elder Charger, Rujarkian Hillsrunner, Parade Rujarkian Hillsrunner-40% Regular Price: 9 platinum, 83 gold, 4 silver Guild Discount: 112,500 status, 5 platinum, 52 gold, 96 silver (Guild Level: 25)Spirit Steed,Majdul Enchanted scroll- 48% Runspeed Price: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80 gold (Guild Level 30) Court Faction Horses: The following horses now require faction and quests completed to even PURCHASE. The following horses require ally (40,000+ faction) with ONE of the courts in Maj'Dul. Horses with custom saddle colors are only available from the court you have ally faction with. Rujarkiak Destrier, Dervish Destrier- 40% runspeed and 4.7 to slash, crush, peirce, and focus Regular Price: 14platinum Guild Discount: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80g (Guild Level: 35) Nightmare, Mistrunner- 48% Runspeed and 300 to all magic resists Price: 400,000 status, 19 platinum, 20 gold, 1 copper (Guild Level 40)War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)In this one change EVERY SINGLE GUILD REWARD HORSE is absolutley useless. Not only does the new quest mount look different. It is now as fast if not faster, cheaper and takes less time and effort required. All guild mounts are completely obsolete with this change. Horses need to be reevaluted in general or this mount needs to be reduced to 45% at the MOST, just above the OTHER free mount quest.P.s. The above prices does not even reflect the time necessary to level a guild to the appropriate level OR the time required to build enough personal faction. The new mount is a 5plat 50% runspeed 10 min quest mount and it doesnt add up. Any and all form of mount balance went out the window with this change. </blockquote> As listed above..."Court Faction Horses: The following horses now require faction and quests completed to even PURCHASE. The following horses require ally (40,000+ faction) with ONE of the courts in Maj'Dul. Horses with custom saddle colors are only available from the court you have ally faction with. Rujarkiak Destrier, Dervish Destrier- 40% runspeed and 4.7 to slash, crush, peirce, and focus Regular Price: 14platinum Guild Discount: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80g (Guild Level: 35) Nightmare, Mistrunner- 48% Runspeed and 300 to all magic resists Price: 400,000 status, 19 platinum, 20 gold, 1 copper (Guild Level 40) War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)"Followed by..."The new mount is a 5plat 50% runspeed 10 min quest mount and it doesnt add up. Any and all form of mount balance went out the window with this change."Now lets take a look CAREFULLY...everyone is fighting over the runspeed? What about the buffs the guild horses give you? I see no buff on the warg so if you ask me the guild horses are still superior. The Warg is just for travel by the looks of it. I see no HARM in letting Exiles, and Casual Players have a fast travel mount that has NO buff on it.I agree however the price is alittle too cheap. However...I think that price may be just so people can test them out for any bugs/glitches. I doubt that'll be the actual Live server price.

Blakeavon

04-23-2007, 02:15 AM

well its not like everyone in the world is going to be getting one just cos they are faster, if people are that shallow thats their problem you make it sound like that is so storm in a tea cup... people complained that at 40% it was too slow, so devs change it... but like normally they changed it to the other extreme 50% naturally the only people who complain are highend gamers, and in normally sony style they will cave to them and the people who lose out will be the normal gamers who this is aim at for ONCE. my gawd i was ever so happy they didnt decide to make the last step a raid to alienate the larger % of their player base. just like the loot table change people have been screaming about this for years FINALLY we casual players get a way to get full sets of nice armour with a great rate of drop, and who complains the raiders 'gosh now, was that a surprise? of course they complain until something gets changed and complained when it does. yes lvl 60's guild need to have greater rewards to go with it, but screaming nerf to the playing fun of normally players cos they ahve the chance at something nice... gee this remind sme of when the DoF carpets came in!!!

Computer MAn

04-23-2007, 03:02 AM

Let me ask you this question, how many people actually fight on mounts? The answer is not many so the buffs given by them are essentially useless which eliminates the only bonus of the guild mounts.

Vulkan_NTooki

04-23-2007, 03:36 AM

Hehe.. getting a guild to lvl 60 aint really that much of an accomplishment. The horse is a novelty item. Shows you are in a lvl 60 guild. Nothing less. My alts still run around on nightmares because they look so much cooler. They will change to Wargs too now.. since they look even better. I might change into my war steed before entering instances, due to the stats.. but for running around I'll use a warg.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

rww2

04-23-2007, 04:21 AM

I am in a lvl 60 guild with the 50% mount and I love this new warg idea and how it is 50% as well. Lets gaze into the crystal ball shall we?Wednesday rolls around: those of us that check up on the LU before they patch will be the first ones to get the new mounts. Soon everyone will want them. They will look so [Removed for Content] cool everyone will eventually be riding one. For a while it will be a lot of fun having this mount for a different look. Lets fastforward now... A month or two have passed and more people have these than the carpets. It is starting to get old as the "new" factor is wearing off as they are common place. Now I feel the need to be different again and start using my lvl 60 mount with the same runspeed + stats. Not only will I now stand out in the crowd again, only other people in lvl 60 guilds and have paid the status and plat to buy one will have this. Grungo you are totally off point by thinking the warg makes the lvl 60 mount absolete. If anything it puts it in context now as it isnt a carpet/warg which everyone else will be running around on. I applaud the devs on this one. Please do not listen to the naysayers as I think the 50% run speed is exactly where it needs to be as per my preceeding point.To everyone else that is actually crying foul that happens to be in a lvl 60 guild, be happy that your mounts will actually be cool to look at come a couple months.

Chefren

04-23-2007, 05:35 AM

Another option would be to just leave it at 40% and remove the cost altogether, so its an alternative to the carpet.

Kri

04-23-2007, 05:40 AM

I will be getting a Warg for my Bruiser because they are new, but I still think horses look so much better. If my guild was higher I would probably have bought a Nightmare or War-Barded instead, despite the higher price. There are some of us who rate looks much, much higher than stats (unless there is a huge difference of course). The guild horses are both better looking and have (slightly) better stats than the Warg. So for those of you who think the Warg makes guild horses obsolete, please know that there are many players who don't think run speed, price and ease of getting one, is the be all, end all to mounts.I hope they keep introducing new types of mounts to give us more choice. A feline mount, attainable at lower level than the Warg, with lower run speed of course, would be nice for alts. I'm not a big fan of the carpet as I think most races look silly crouching on them. For now, big kudos to the Devs for giving us a fast, mean looking, new mount. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

AbyssalSoul

04-23-2007, 06:43 AM

I personally think the 50% warg is bad idea because it takes a lot of work to get a guild to level 60, and there are a few rewards that come with that... including the 50% run-speed mount. My guild has been working its [Removed for Content] off to get the 50% mount at guild level 60, and I can't tell you how messed up it is that they could have just done a level 61 quest instead of doing so many HQ's, writs, and status item turn ins. Isn't there some way to have a happy medium?

Jal

04-23-2007, 07:07 AM

<cite>AbyssalSoul wrote:</cite><blockquote>I personally think the 50% warg is bad idea because it takes a lot of work to get a guild to level 60, and there are a few rewards that come with that... including the 50% run-speed mount. My guild has been working its [I cannot control my vocabulary] off to get the 50% mount at guild level 60, and I can't tell you how messed up it is that they could have just done a level 61 quest instead of doing so many HQ's, writs, and status item turn ins. Isn't there some way to have a happy medium? </blockquote>Im in a lvl 60 guild and still using my nightmare because its better for looks. I did buy the 60 horse but sold it again, the warg will be nice as a second mount for fun but ill still be keeping my nightmare.

Hardain

04-23-2007, 07:16 AM

They should have made the quest longer and harder, maybe lvl70 Signature quest imo, so it would take some effort to get the mount. Remember when DoF came out, how hard the carpet quest was?

Kri

04-23-2007, 07:38 AM

<cite>AbyssalSoul wrote:</cite><blockquote>I personally think the 50% warg is bad idea because it takes a lot of work to get a guild to level 60, and there are a few rewards that come with that... including the 50% run-speed mount. My guild has been working its [I cannot control my vocabulary] off to get the 50% mount at guild level 60, and I can't tell you how messed up it is that they could have just done a level 61 quest instead of doing so many HQ's, writs, and status item turn ins. Isn't there some way to have a happy medium? </blockquote>When it comes to levelling a guild I think the journey is (at least) half the fun. If I felt a high speed horse would be the only reason for doing it, yes, then I too would feel a bit cheated. On the other hand, non-guilded people and most small guilds will never have access to the War-Barded Cavalry Horse so even with the Warg running at the same speed, it's still a big deal to have achieved guild level 60.

Kaiser Sigma

04-23-2007, 08:07 AM

*** Mounts *** - Halved the price of all Wargs, increased the speed on them to 50% Simply put, the upcoming change is preposterous and a slap in the face to anyone who invests time in this game. What's next? Avatar loot dropping in FTH a month prior to the next expansion? Either the new mount's speed is reduced back to 40% or the lvl 60 mounts' speed is increased to 55% - 60%. Or...if you plan on keep doing these ridiculous changes that nullify a guilds' efforts then simply abolish the concept of guilds' levels as clearly they don't mean squat when even the most casual of players can do a normal quest to get what others took effort and dedication.

NorrinRadd

04-23-2007, 08:33 AM

Its beyond mind-boggling to see so many players/posters upset that someone thats not in a Lvl60 Guild will be able to get a mount that will have the same topend runspeed of 50%. The only thing mounts are used for in the game as it stands now is to get from point A to point B,why does it matter which one is faster,slower,or equal in runspeed? How does this affect ANYTHING else?

04-23-2007, 08:45 AM

The amusing part of this post is that if you read the first half everyone is flipping over the fact that a quested T7 mount cost so much with no speed increase from the previous tier quested mount, in the second half they are flipping over the cost reduction and speed increase.Bah, thank you for the change, being in a lvl 60 guild is reward enough, now I can get a decent mount without 20plat, I have the status but I don't have the money to spend, I mean I have 25 plat but I am not willing to spend most of it on a bland horse.PS. The only people NOT in lvl 60 guild at this point are in small personal guilds with family and freinds or new branches of start-up raiding guilds, the former will likely never hit lvl 60 and deserve something and the latter will hit lvl 60 before the anger over the split subsides.PPS. NO ONE and I mean absolutely NO ONE looks at your toon and says "wow that guy is elite hardcore, look he has one of those lightly armoured lvl 60 horses, lets bow as he goes by for all the accomplishments he has" no one really cares but you, a guild hitting 60 is usually due to the efforts of a lot of people, several of whom are probably not in that guild anymore and likely only a handful in that big guild actually spent huge amounts of time getting that guild to 60 so there is no way for an outsider to know if you actually acomplished something or if you freeloaded, and inside the guild you have this really nice number next to your name if you really did accomplish a lot. besides you think it devalues your merit that others can now get these mounts? I say it makes you just that much more elite, every person in game will see someone on the Warg and will know they went the easy route while the guy next to him in the lvl 60 mount worked much harder for his.

chily

04-23-2007, 10:05 AM

Wuhuu a new mount thx soe <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Gungo

04-23-2007, 11:06 AM

<cite>cavv wrote:</cite><blockquote>The amusing part of this post is that if you read the first half everyone is flipping over the fact that a quested T7 mount cost so much with no speed increase from the previous tier quested mount, in the second half they are flipping over the cost reduction and speed increase.Bah, thank you for the change, being in a lvl 60 guild is reward enough, now I can get a decent mount without 20plat, I have the status but I don't have the money to spend, I mean I have 25 plat but I am not willing to spend most of it on a bland horse.PS. The only people NOT in lvl 60 guild at this point are in small personal guilds with family and freinds or new branches of start-up raiding guilds, the former will likely never hit lvl 60 and deserve something and the latter will hit lvl 60 before the anger over the split subsides.PPS. NO ONE and I mean absolutely NO ONE looks at your toon and says "wow that guy is elite hardcore, look he has one of those lightly armoured lvl 60 horses, lets bow as he goes by for all the accomplishments he has" no one really cares but you, a guild hitting 60 is usually due to the efforts of a lot of people, several of whom are probably not in that guild anymore and likely only a handful in that big guild actually spent huge amounts of time getting that guild to 60 so there is no way for an outsider to know if you actually acomplished something or if you freeloaded, and inside the guild you have this really nice number next to your name if you really did accomplish a lot. besides you think it devalues your merit that others can now get these mounts? I say it makes you just that much more elite, every person in game will see someone on the Warg and will know they went the easy route while the guy next to him in the lvl 60 mount worked much harder for his.</blockquote>ITS NOT ABOUT PRESTIGE. Its about effort vs reward.There is absolutly NO reason why this horse should be easier to obtain, cheaper and faster or as fast as every horse in game. There is no progression. This mount DIRECTLY makes obsolete every and all other mounts in game that take more time and effort and coin. Guild mounts need to be made faster OR this horse needs to be reduced in speed to preferably 45%. no matter how you look at it a 5pp 50% speed horse is better then a 15pp (448,000 status) 50% horse. It doesn't add up. Anyone saying otherwise is biased. Those are the numbers they don't lie. P.S there are only 3 guild rewards for a 60 guild a new title, borders for cloaks, and a new mount. The mount was the ONLY in game benefit reward. That in game benefit is now obsolete. What is the point of leveling a guild if the better rewards are just given away. Its like giving level 1 rangers better combat arts then a level 60 ranger. Whats the point of leveling if you get no benefit. Many of you have never put in the time or effort to level a guild to do writs over and over to raise your guilds status. Many of you have no idea of the time and effort invested. There was always very little reward for raising your guild. This one change removes THE ONLY in game benefit for leveling a guild. There is not one person who has posted a reason WHY these mounts should be 50% speed. There is no justification other then the childish "I want" attitude. Yet there are plenty of people against this change that can list WHY this change is unmerited. There are many other mounts that took more effort and time.

Kri

04-23-2007, 11:26 AM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>ITS NOT ABOUT PRESTIGE. Its about effort vs reward.There is absolutly NO reason why this horse should be easier to obtain, cheaper and faster or as fast as every horse in game. There is no progression. This mount DIRECTLY makes obsolete every and all other mounts in game that take more time and effort and coin. Guild mounts need to be made faster OR this horse needs to be reduced in speed to preferably 45%. no matter how you look at it a 5pp 50% speed horse is better then a 15pp (448,000 status) 50% horse. It doesn't add up. Anyone saying otherwise is biased. Those are the numbers they don't lie. P.S there are only 3 guild rewards for a 60 guild a new title, borders for cloaks, and a new mount. The mount was the ONLY in game benefit reward. That in game benefit is now obsolete. What is the point of leveling a guild if the better rewards are just given away. Its like giving level 1 rangers better combat arts then a level 60 ranger. Whats the point of leveling if you get no benefit. Many of you have never put in the time or effort to level a guild to do writs over and over to raise your guilds status. Many of you have no idea of the time and effort invested. There was always very little reward for raising your guild. This one change removes THE ONLY in game benefit for leveling a guild. There is not one person who has posted a reason WHY these mounts should be 50% speed. There is no justification other then the childish "I want" attitude. Yet there are plenty of people against this change that can list WHY this change is unmerited. There are many other mounts that took more effort and time. </blockquote>Effort? Being accepted into a level 60 guild and gaining 448k status isn't very hard. If you've been one of the driving forces in getting the guild to 60, then you've put in an effort but how can you tell? The guy/gal on the War-Barded Horse could have joined the guild when it was already level 60.It's nowhere like giving a level 1 character the abilities of a level 60. Throwing a fit and making absurd comparisons over a 5% speed difference (you said it yourself that 45% would be OK) is just silly.I prefer my Nightmare to the Warg even if it's slower and much more costly. Does that make me biased? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Gungo

04-23-2007, 11:27 AM

In truth to follow a correct progression the new warg mount should be faster then the 40% free carpet and ~5pp to match the 40% guild horse. It should not be faster then the 20pp 48% mount OR the 15pp 50% mount. This mount should be 45% tops. Steppes Pony, Parade Steppes Pony, Halasian Draft Horse, and Parade Halasian Draft Horse- 24% run speed Regular Price: 2 platinum, 45 gold, 76 silver Guild Discount: 52,500 status, 1 platinum, 38 gold, 42 silver (Guild Level: 15) Karana Planes Rider, Parade Karana Plainsrider, Misty Mustang, Parade Misty Mustang- 32% run speed Regular Price: 3 platinum, 68 gold, 64 silver Guild Discount: 80,000 status, 2 platinum, 7 gold, 36 silver (Guild Level: 20) Elder Charger, Parade Elder Charger, Rujarkian Hillsrunner, Parade Rujarkian Hillsrunner-40% Regular Price: 9 platinum, 83 gold, 4 silver Guild Discount: 112,500 status, 5 platinum, 52 gold, 96 silver (Guild Level: 25)FREE LVL 45+ QUEST 40% CARPET Spirit Steed,Majdul Enchanted scroll- 48% Runspeed Price: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80 gold (Guild Level 30) Court Faction Horses: The following horses now require faction and quests completed to even PURCHASE. The following horses require ally (40,000+ faction) with ONE of the courts in Maj'Dul. Horses with custom saddle colors are only available from the court you have ally faction with. Rujarkiak Destrier, Dervish Destrier- 40% runspeed and 4.7 to slash, crush, peirce, and focus Regular Price: 14platinum Guild Discount: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80g (Guild Level: 35) NEW WARG 55+ QUEST SHOULD BE 45% speed and 10pp. Nightmare, Mistrunner- 48% Runspeed and 300 to all magic resists Price: 400,000 status, 19 platinum, 20 gold, 1 copper (Guild Level 40)War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)

Gungo

04-23-2007, 11:29 AM

Shadowbreath@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>ITS NOT ABOUT PRESTIGE. Its about effort vs reward.There is absolutly NO reason why this horse should be easier to obtain, cheaper and faster or as fast as every horse in game. There is no progression. This mount DIRECTLY makes obsolete every and all other mounts in game that take more time and effort and coin. Guild mounts need to be made faster OR this horse needs to be reduced in speed to preferably 45%. no matter how you look at it a 5pp 50% speed horse is better then a 15pp (448,000 status) 50% horse. It doesn't add up. Anyone saying otherwise is biased. Those are the numbers they don't lie. P.S there are only 3 guild rewards for a 60 guild a new title, borders for cloaks, and a new mount. The mount was the ONLY in game benefit reward. That in game benefit is now obsolete. What is the point of leveling a guild if the better rewards are just given away. Its like giving level 1 rangers better combat arts then a level 60 ranger. Whats the point of leveling if you get no benefit. Many of you have never put in the time or effort to level a guild to do writs over and over to raise your guilds status. Many of you have no idea of the time and effort invested. There was always very little reward for raising your guild. This one change removes THE ONLY in game benefit for leveling a guild. There is not one person who has posted a reason WHY these mounts should be 50% speed. There is no justification other then the childish "I want" attitude. Yet there are plenty of people against this change that can list WHY this change is unmerited. There are many other mounts that took more effort and time. </blockquote>Effort? Being accepted into a level 60 guild and gaining 448k status isn't very hard. If you've been one of the driving forces in getting the guild to 60, then you've put in an effort but how can you tell? The guy/gal on the War-Barded Horse could have joined the guild when it was already level 60.It's nowhere like giving a level 1 character the abilities of a level 60. Throwing a fit and making absurd comparisons over a 5% speed difference (you said it yourself that 45% would be OK) is just silly.I prefer my Nightmare to the Warg even if it's slower and much more costly. Does that make me biased? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>Even dismissing the whole guild concept.448,000 status > 0 status 10+pp > 5pp

Kri

04-23-2007, 11:35 AM

The War-Barded Horse has better stats and is much better looking than the Warg. If anything, they should lower the price of the Nightmare/Mistrunner. It's slower than the War-Barded, has worse stats and cost twice as much. I personally think it's much cooler looking though. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Another option to get from A to B a bit faster for those who aren't in a level 60 guild is a good thing IMO.

Shompta

04-23-2007, 11:36 AM

I'd like to see different types of mounts have different strengths and weaknesses so that there is no single best mount for everything. This would also mean different playstyles could all get a very good mount, but no one would need to feel their efforts were wasted because their mount would still be the best for something.We have horses, carpets, hover platforms and wargs. Some types could be best for speed, some for manueverability (not having the back up problem), some could have different types of combat bonuses.In other words make mounts like other types of equipment in the game, with lots of different strengths and weaknesses that apply in different situations and can be gained in different ways. All playstyles could get something good, and no one would be left with their hard work wasted..P.S. Someone suggested making wargs faster at night and slower in the day. Sounds like a really fun idea to me and would add a lot of personality to the new mounts.P.P.S. Thanks to all the devs for creating a great looking new mount model. Its nice to have some more variety. =)

Snowdonia

04-23-2007, 11:44 AM

People already pander and pay level 60 guilds to allow them in for a moments time to purchase their "level 60 guild horse" and promptly leave having got what they wanted. Where's the effort in that? There was none yet they got the "reward" anyways. A person can newly join a level 60 guild in earnest to become a part of it, but can go out and buy their level 60 guild horse from day one, I believe, so where were THEIR efforts for this reward? So I ask, what the heck does it matter? A travelling device is a travelling device no matter how it's obtained. My Ranger can RUN faster than any mount available in game (56%), TMK, and I did nothing but make a Ranger, earned and spent enough APs in my Ranger tree to get it up to max effect (46%), completed the JBoots HQ at 30, and levelled up to 42 to be able to wear them (+10% reaching a total of 56%). Warden's aren't much different and can reach a max speed of 55% (AP increased SoW + Jboots) AND give 45% of that to others as well for 30 minute stints. When I get my Tinker high enough, I plan to make her a cloud despite having an equal speed carpet for her. For me that will be my reward to myself for sticking with Tinker and toughing it out (I don't buy my resources) but it also means I can make clouds for others as well who put NO effort into obtaining it and guess what, that doesn't bother me in the least and I'll happily do it for anyone with the mats and compensation for my time and fuel. They are all means of travel, no more, no less. IMO, if you want reward for effort, start championing a cause with the devs to give GUILD EFFORT SPECIFIC rewards for the efforts put into a guild. Quit depending on a blind means of transportation to exemplify your guild's members' effort and prestige and request a REAL means of doing so. They are working on the next expansion as we speak, surely if a reasonable suggestion is made and they agree (or they come up with something theirselves) they could work it into it. I doubt they wouldn't mind one more selling point, especially to their loyal players who have put time and effort into the game and their guilds. I would rather see a way of rewarding the guild member who has earned 100k+ guild status or more SPECIFICALLY than insisting on making travelling devices, which do no checks on how much worth you are to your guild, fill this hole. No, we won't and don't have it NOW but the game isn't going anywhere and you need to see the bigger picture and plan and suggest accordingly. It is obviously possible since the guild window already keeps tabs on how much guild status is earned by any single member of the guild. If something is keeping tally, then something can do a check on that players tally for eligibility for a guild reward for effort. I'm glad and thankful for the new mount and the recent changes. So thanks devs!

04-23-2007, 11:59 AM

I don't think the issue here is the worg, it's guild level rewards.The worg speed and cost is such that it is attainable at high level by everyone so I think it is a fair item to be added, I can agree with the 45% speed too, what I can't agree with is the fact that people want to destroy this mount because of how lackluster the reward mounts are.From my first beta look at the new lvl 60 horses I was amazed at the HUGE glaring dissparity between the guild lvl 40 48% speed horses with stats to a guild lvl 60 horse with only 2% extra speed +48k status rise and 5plat lower cost. You want to talk effort vs reward lets talk about gaining 20 new levels on your guild, no small feat if you aren't raiding 2 times every single day, and getting such a small pathetic reward for all that. sadly the lvl 40 horses even LOOK better with particle effects on them. For all this effort you put in they give you a lighlt armoured maj'dul horse with 2% extra speed, that is what I would be [Removed for Content] about not the fact that anyone can now get a new style mount with the same speed and no stats, unless of course you see the lvl 60 mount as a prestige item that you don't want anyone else to have. hell at guild lvl 30 you can get mounts that give 48% run speed and 30 levels later you get an extra 2%. I have 2 toons that run faster than that on their feet!the way I see this entire argument is that it should be a forum for guild rewards to be reworked and improved upon, if you have issues with your class you SHOULD try to get your class fixed and not have everyone else nerfed (unfortunatly doesn't work that way) so if you have problems with guild rewards work on getting those fixed not nerf other rewards.

Gargamel

04-23-2007, 11:59 AM

I demand that the mount I paid 20plat (400% more than this mount) have its speed increased to at least 52%, and make the war-braided 55%5 plat for a 50% mount... [Removed for Content] is up with that?

valkyrja

04-23-2007, 12:17 PM

<cite>cavv wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't think the issue here is the worg, it's guild level rewards.The worg speed and cost is such that it is attainable at high level by everyone so I think it is a fair item to be added, I can agree with the 45% speed too, what I can't agree with is the fact that people want to destroy this mount because of how lackluster the reward mounts are.From my first beta look at the new lvl 60 horses I was amazed at the HUGE glaring dissparity between the guild lvl 40 48% speed horses with stats to a guild lvl 60 horse with only 2% extra speed +48k status rise and 5plat lower cost. You want to talk effort vs reward lets talk about gaining 20 new levels on your guild, no small feat if you aren't raiding 2 times every single day, and getting such a small pathetic reward for all that. sadly the lvl 40 horses even LOOK better with particle effects on them. For all this effort you put in they give you a lighlt armoured maj'dul horse with 2% extra speed, that is what I would be [Removed for Content] about not the fact that anyone can now get a new style mount with the same speed and no stats, unless of course you see the lvl 60 mount as a prestige item that you don't want anyone else to have. hell at guild lvl 30 you can get mounts that give 48% run speed and 30 levels later you get an extra 2%. I have 2 toons that run faster than that on their feet!the way I see this entire argument is that it should be a forum for guild rewards to be reworked and improved upon, if you have issues with your class you SHOULD try to get your class fixed and not have everyone else nerfed (unfortunatly doesn't work that way) so if you have problems with guild rewards work on getting those fixed not nerf other rewards.</blockquote>The more I think about it, the more I am thinking the same. GUILD MOUNTS NEED TO BE REASSESSED! I could care less what the worg costs, so long as it is in line with other rewards. As it stand now, it is a slap in the face to EVERY GUILD, not just the guild level 60 ones. If you think about it, this is a better than the GL30, GL40 and GL60 rewards. That to me is clearly out of whack. IF the warg hits live at 50% speed for 5pp, guild mounts need to either be SIGNIFICANTLY reduced in cost (no more than 6pp for the GL 60 mounts), OR they need to have speeds increased.

Anastasie

04-23-2007, 12:17 PM

Wow - changing the new Worg mount to 5pp and 50% run speed is a slap in the face to all the level 60 guilds. I could understand maybe 45%, but for it to be the same as a the level 60 guild mount and a third the cost just makes that achievment meaningless. They either need to lower the speed or make the War Bards faster. Oh- and for those trying to argue that the guild mounts have stats, they are completely useless since SOE completely screwed up the reverse speed on mounts. You can't pull mobs while mounted since the back-up speed is so rediculously slow. So, you end up having to dismount and lose all the stats. You also can't use the mounts in instances either. If they keep this new mount at 50%/5pp, I sincerely hope the adjust the guild horses both in speed, price and status.

Geothe

04-23-2007, 12:21 PM

50% runspeed for 5p is utterly moronic.Drop it down or increase the runspeed on the lvl 60 guild mounts.

shadowgate

04-23-2007, 12:23 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote> NEW WARG 55+ QUEST SHOULD BE 45% speed and 10pp.</blockquote> Where did the 55+ quest info come from? It was my understanding that this was a 65+ level quest in Loping Plains. That makes a big difference. I do understand some feeling that it "cheapens" the 60th lvl guild mount but I would hate to see this new mount be just "fluff". I think as long as it isn't an easy 65+ quest(s) equivalent in difficult to the carpet but with higher level mobs and MAYBE kept the 10pp cost that the 50% movement isn't out of line. Then again, I think the 60th lvl guild mount should have been 55% to 60%...

Elephanton

04-23-2007, 12:23 PM

<cite>Gargamel wrote:</cite><blockquote>I demand that the mount I paid 20plat (400% more than this mount) have its speed increased to at least 52%, and make the war-braided 55%5 plat for a 50% mount... [I cannot control my vocabulary] is up with that?</blockquote> 2 points:1) The majority of people on the servers are not in level 60 guilds2) I don't want to pay a level 60 guild to join there and buy 50% horse. I know that was a good business for most of you guys, but sorry.Yay SOE, thanks for the new mount, 50% and 5p quest is what we need. My exiled SK will love it (he was not guilded his entire career).

Badaxe Ba

04-23-2007, 12:25 PM

Good job Dev's, Keep on tweaking!

Arbreth

04-23-2007, 12:38 PM

Gungo, you are becoming tiresome.5PP for 50% and NO STATS is not horrible or against the Guild reward horses. They all have special stats, something that you have pointed out in your facts each time but fail to realize in your continual rant about the runspeed and cost for the warg (which is NOT a horse by the way).Yes, this thread has devolved into a whine about the (supposedly) wimpy horses offered as a guild reward for reaching certain levels.Simple, if SOE wants us to pay an exhorbiant amount for those horses, up the stats for those animals, not nerf the mout that was intended for those folk that are not in a level 60 guild. I think the warg is a good idea for the most part regardless of if it is 45% or 50% runspeed (40% was too slow for the cost). Personally, I would like us to be able to "train" our mounts via adornments for special stats or abilities (+10 slashing on the warg anyone?). All of them, the training would be above any stats that are part of the guild reward, maybe have certain training adornments available only to certain guild levels if that is your concern.

Gungo

04-23-2007, 12:43 PM

<cite>Arbreth wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo, you are becoming tiresome.5PP for 50% and NO STATS is not horrible or against the Guild reward horses. They all have special stats, something that you have pointed out in your facts each time but fail to realize in your continual rant about the runspeed and cost for the warg (which is NOT a horse by the way).Yes, this thread has devolved into a whine about the (supposedly) wimpy horses offered as a guild reward for reaching certain levels.Simple, if SOE wants us to pay an exhorbiant amount for those horses, up the stats for those animals, not nerf the mout that was intended for those folk that are not in a level 60 guild. I think the warg is a good idea for the most part regardless of if it is 45% or 50% runspeed (40% was too slow for the cost). Personally, I would like us to be able to "train" our mounts via adornments for special stats or abilities (+10 slashing on the warg anyone?). All of them, the training would be above any stats that are part of the guild reward, maybe have certain training adornments available only to certain guild levels if that is your concern.</blockquote>Actually not all the guild mounts have stats. The 20pp 48% speed carpet has non for example. most of the stats are menaingless. They are unusable indoors and people rarely ever fight in combat on mounts. Mostly due to poor manuverability and the indoor restriction. Either/or the only thing tiresome is i provide FACTS. That show issues where you have shown NO justification or FACTS to support your "I WANT" attitude.So tell me which mount do you plan on getting the guild lvl 60 50% runspeed mount for 10pp+ and 448,00 status or the Worg quest for 5pp? Since obviously in your eyes they are both equal.

Gungo

04-23-2007, 12:44 PM

<cite>shadowgate wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote> NEW WARG 55+ QUEST SHOULD BE 45% speed and 10pp.</blockquote> Where did the 55+ quest info come from? It was my understanding that this was a 65+ level quest in Loping Plains. That makes a big difference. I do understand some feeling that it "cheapens" the 60th lvl guild mount but I would hate to see this new mount be just "fluff". I think as long as it isn't an easy 65+ quest(s) equivalent in difficult to the carpet but with higher level mobs and MAYBE kept the 10pp cost that the 50% movement isn't out of line. Then again, I think the 60th lvl guild mount should have been 55% to 60%... </blockquote> The quest is obtainable at least LVL 57+, But not 50+. So somewhere around 55-57 is my guess and it only took peopel 10 minutes on test to finish it. This is without knowing what to do.

JamesRay

04-23-2007, 12:45 PM

For those of you lvl 60 guild whiners out there, most of us who will be using this mount may have a million + status points that we'll never end up spending anyways, due to having the level 60 requirement upon us and us being smaller, family oriented guilds.Second, 448K status points can be essentially "bought" in the form of status items off the broker for about 10-11pp, if you stick to the cheaper T5/T6 items.You'd think it would be easier just to beg or bribe a level 60 guild to tag you for 15 minutes, and that is why I have no sympathy for you. I personally think that guilds can be easily exploited once they hit their higher levels, giving people who put in zero effort toward building the guild instant rewards. Once you prevent guild alts, new members, and twinks from being able to get lvl 60 guild rewards without significant individual character contributions first, then I will call your whining justified.

AbyssalSoul

04-23-2007, 12:49 PM

It is not that our guild has only been working towards level 60 for a mount... but we are very small in the nature of things and have had to pull together as a team to work towards leveling it. Anyone in a somewhat small guild (I'm not talking 10 accounts small, but about 40 accounts) will understand how much work it takes. It isn't right that people who work this hard get such a slap in the face. Although some guilds take bribes to let people in for mounts, mine is not one of them. It was just nice knowing everyone was working towards a common goal 60... and a common reward... the 50% horse. Which on PVP is WONDERFUL for chasing people who run from battle. I wanted to add, I'm whining and I am NOT in a level 60 guild.

Gungo

04-23-2007, 01:01 PM

I have not met one person who has ever paid to get a guild invite to buy a guild lvl 60 mount. If it happens it is a rarity, not the norm. This is not an issue of prestige or making money. This is purely the point of many people who have JUST recently spent considerable time invested in leveling a guild, gaining personal status and saving 10-20pp to buy themselves a mount. Then having thier work rendered useless with a new mount that does not follow the same progression as ANY other mount in game. The fact is really simple not one person here will pay 10pp+ 448,000 status for a 50% horse mount, when you can get a 5pp 50% worg mount. It doesn't add up. The worg should be no faster then 45% or the guild 60 mount needs to be raised to 55%. Its effort vs reward and no one can deny that fact. 5pp< 10pp, 0 status<448,000 status, 0 guild level<60 guild levels.

The_Real_Ohno

04-23-2007, 01:04 PM

Gungo

04-23-2007, 01:08 PM

So you are saying you heard of someone who did this an expansion ago (Guild lvl 50 btw in KOS)? Yeah that sounds like a real common practice. My point was it was a rarity to know ANYONE who does this. And why did people do this in the first place? Because it was not easy to get a guild lvl 50 horse.

valkyrja

04-23-2007, 01:17 PM

I'm sure it *does* happen, though it certainly is far from the norm. And to be honest, any guild who is selling invites probably is a pretty crappy guild to begin with. I don't recall seeing anyone on permafrost who had a GL60 mount and didn't have the correct flag under their name. Either way, the fact is if the wargs hit live like this, the devs (probably one of them actually) will have single handedly destroyed itemization yet again.

Finora

04-23-2007, 01:36 PM

Skipping several pages of arguments=p so pardon if this was said between my last post and this.If they are going to keep the mount 50%, keep the quest easy, keep the coin cost low, then make people spend a chunk personal status to buy the thing as well. 500-600,k at least, even up to 1,000,000. The lower end of that range is just a drop in the bucket for anyone who regularly does writs, turns in status items etc. Not much else those exiles and unguilded folks to spend it on.Then it doesn't make the lvl 60 guild people feel like they've been slapped around (too badly). (not lvl 60 guild btw=p)

Kri

04-23-2007, 01:44 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>I have not met one person who has ever paid to get a guild invite to buy a guild lvl 60 mount. If it happens it is a rarity, not the norm. This is not an issue of prestige or making money. This is purely the point of many people who have JUST recently spent considerable time invested in leveling a guild, gaining personal status and saving 10-20pp to buy themselves a mount. Then having thier work rendered useless with a new mount that does not follow the same progression as ANY other mount in game. The fact is really simple not one person here will pay 10pp+ 448,000 status for a 50% horse mount, when you can get a 5pp 50% worg mount. It doesn't add up. The worg should be no faster then 45% or the guild 60 mount needs to be raised to 55%. Its effort vs reward and no one can deny that fact. 5pp< 10pp, 0 status<448,000 status, 0 guild level<60 guild levels. </blockquote>If you don't think the horse is worth the money and the status, then don't buy it. Simple as that. If the Warg is so great it warrants dozens of whine post, then by all means, do the quest and buy one on Wednesday. FACT is that nothing is taken away from you by the introduction of the Warg. FACT is also that it adds an optional mount for all T7 characters with 5pp on their hands. It may come as a surprise to you but there are lots of people who feel more comfortable being in a small guild (or in no guild at all) than a big, level 60 one. There are already lots of things that are very difficult to obtain for people like that. I strongly dislike your elitist crusade against faster mounts for everyone.

Roriondesexiest

04-23-2007, 01:45 PM

Holy crap, 5 plat and a few quests for a 50% run speed mount...Why the hell did I pay 19 plat and a ton of status for my GL 60 mount? I agree the stats on the guild mounts aren't worth the extra price.These mounts should be MORE expensive than the guild mounts as the guild mounts took months and months of grinding to get our guild to lvl 60, where people can do these quests in 10 minutes and get this mount for 1/4 of the price.Makes perfect sense to me...And those of you whining about not having a guild big enough to get to lvl 60 are the same ones that come to the forums and complain when you see some class (not yours) being able to solo some mob you can't. Even though that person has been raiding for 2 years and has all fabled gear and knows his/her class and demanding that your class get a boost or the other class get a nerf.Some things you just have to work for but alot of you are too [Removed for Content] lazy to do it.

CapnJax21

04-23-2007, 01:47 PM

I have an idea that might stop the bickering and arguments.Raise guild 60 mounts to 56% - keep same priceDrop wargs to 48% - keep same pricePeople really need to stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Being in a guild that's lvl 60 does not make you better than anyone else. Its funny to see how EQ2 'status' relates to RL 'status'.Just because you live in the 'burbs, drive a car which has a monthly payment as much as your mortgage, and make a quarter million a year salary does not make you any better than the person next to you.Just because you have a 5 bedroom manor with all the furniture available, a guild 60 mount that has stats and runs 50%, and make 1pp an hour does not make you any better than the toon next to you.If you measure your 'wealth' with your possessions - you really have no idea what life is all about.Agree to disagree - enjoy the game for what its all about. Playing along with your friends and having a great time.

Valdaglerion

04-23-2007, 01:52 PM

<cite>Hardain wrote:</cite><blockquote>They should have made the quest longer and harder, maybe lvl70 Signature quest imo, so it would take some effort to get the mount. Remember when DoF came out, how hard the carpet quest was? </blockquote> Yeah if they they made one small change to that quest it would be hard again. It's called locking the Djinn encounter. There would be no more 70's hitting from the outside to get the lowly group of 40's a carpet. That last encounter without outside help is still tough at high 50's - low 60's even with a good group. I may not be all uber like some of the raiders and more seasoned players to this game but our group was all high 50's to low 60's without outside help and we died several times (ashamedly, 9 times) before we figured out a strategy that worked. my two cents worth anyway.

Rommie10-284

04-23-2007, 02:05 PM

Itemization of what? Outdoor transportation? 50% doesn't make the boats go faster. 50% doesn't make the teleports go *slower*. 50% doesn't make anyone faster indoors. 50% doesn't make the griffons fly quicker. All it does is bump the speed a little bit outdoors. SOE decided THEIR effort should be rewarded by making them WANT to be bought - which it wasn't at 40/9+. Good for them. Now suddenly, the Guild 60 horse that was reviled as a marginal reward is now a Status Symbol getting cheapened in the eyes of many. Come on. A lot of things are still in place that protects your Social Standing on your servers: 1) Your whining has a reasonable chance of working, given past history, which is why you are doing it. Bully for you for guarding your turf. 2) On the off chance it doesn't - there's no roadblock in place to do any number of alternatives suggested to massage the egos of the Level 60 guilds ruined by the Wargs. 3) Your time and "effort" puts you in an position of advantage when the next level increase hits, over all the unwashed masses who are getting an unfair advantage from the Warg. If you get more 60 rewards as well - you've won. I can't get too worked up about the "outrage" as it's SOP nowadays in games. It's really up to the developers to break the mold - slap everyone in the face by constant improvement and break the expectations of static content. The only legit concern is PvP rundown - but that isn't supposed to influence decisions in the regular game, right?

xpraetorianx

04-23-2007, 02:11 PM

Nothing in this game should be a GIVEN, as you put it... It took ALOT of work to get to guild level 60 to reap the benefits of what it offers, and in my opinion it DOES make you better. Its called team work and if you get another 25 people working to the same goal I believe it DOES give you a right to brag. The fact of the matter is, guild level 60 was ALL about the mount and now you SOE has trounced that (if you dont change it). In essence belittling all the hard work that those guilds did to attain Level 60. Hard Work and Time should reap the rewards it entails. I love the new mount but honestly the guild 60 stuff should be upgraded to keep it fair to those who busted their hump to accomplish it. <blockquote>If you measure your 'wealth' with your possessions - you really have no idea what life is all about.</blockquote> You do remember your playing a MMO right? Where the main goal is to acquire and exceed? And did you just refer to Real Life while explaining your position on status in a MMO? I think your really confused.

Coica

04-23-2007, 02:12 PM

This is wrong SoE. wrong. you need to rethink this. seriously.

Drewx

04-23-2007, 02:16 PM

This is TRUELY MIND BLOWING! You big guilds are upset that the players who HAVE NO TIME FOR AGUILD can actually have a faster mount.As I stated before. Since day 1 of EQ 2 I have NEVER been in a guild, and thus have been stuck wit ha 40% for what? Nearly 2 years. Now you guilds get come cool as hell looking mounts, that zip around faster than anything and FINALLY (better late than never) we casual players, non-guilded players, and exiles get a gaster mount, and you all start crying?!Jeez I would expect you all to be mad if SOE did something like...GU 37: Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses, and War Beaded Calvary Horses are now purchaseable at all stables by all players. OR GU 35: Wargs are now available via a quest in Loping Plains. Wargs have a runspeed of 50% Increase Slashing, Piercing, Crushing, Ranged, and Focus by 10.0 and Magic resist by 400. Are buyable by all players who complete the quest for 5 plat.But jeez all SOE is doing is giving the casual player a 50% mount, no buff, just runspeed. So we can get around abit faster. 45% just isn't enough to merit a speed change I'd suspect.As for the 5 plat price change. I'm sure thats just the TEST Server price so the mount can be tested. I SINCERELY doubt SOE would make that the Live Server Price.So I think we can relax on that price change. It'd be a HUGE mistake for that price to go live. So we can relax on that.As stated many many times in this thread, Guilds are about Status. All 60 Guilds get the best of the best, items, Fabled armor. As a non-guilded casual player the only fabled I have on my toon is are the 2 (yes only 2) freaking Mast 1 drops I somehow got while soloing. I have NEVER gotten to wear any fabled, have a mailbox in my home, even get a GLANCE at any end game content. Does anyone besides me remember SOE saying EQ II was going to be based towards both the Casual, and Hardcore audiences and form a common ground?Maybe SOE should make Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses purchaseable by all players...and Warg's guild only. So everyone can be happy. I can garan-[Removed for Content]-tee the casual/non-guilded/Exile players would be just as happy with that change rather than getting a Warg.For freaking once THINK about the casual players! YOU Guilds apprently have NO IDEA how good you got it. DO you know what Guilds get in Other games (WoW comes to mind mainly)? Guilds are formed purely for Raids and Raids only (yes they do craft for each other and etc). NO STATUS MOUNTS, NO STATUS ARMOR/CLOTHES, NO STATUS TITLES, NO STATUS PERIOD. They just raid and pvp(if PvP is available) are available to them in any way shape or form. Compared to those games EQ II freaking pampers Guilds.For goodness sake be thankful for what you have. Stop being so upset that the casual crowd got some long over-do love.

Kri

04-23-2007, 02:18 PM

<cite>xpraetorianx wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nothing in this game should be a GIVEN, as you put it... It took ALOT of work to get to guild level 60 to reap the benefits of what it offers, and in my opinion it DOES make you better. Its called team work and if you get another 25 people working to the same goal I believe it DOES give you a right to brag. The fact of the matter is, guild level 60 was ALL about the mount and now you SOE has trounced that (if you dont change it). In essence belittling all the hard work that those guilds did to attain Level 60. Hard Work and Time should reap the rewards it entails. I love the new mount but honestly the guild 60 stuff should be upgraded to keep it fair to those who busted their hump to accomplish it. </blockquote> Not a single minute of the time you've spent levelling the guild will go away with the introduction of the new mount. Not a single minute. Besides, I'm sure lots of people in the big guilds have contributed very little to the guild. How many people have 130k+ contributed? A group of dedicated people does not warrant bragging rights for the entire guild.Anyway, wanna talk effort vs. reward? SOE are making an effort to make this game more enjoyable for everyone. The whiners reward them by crying foul and calling out for nerfs.

Gungo

04-23-2007, 02:28 PM

<cite>CapnJax21 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I have an idea that might stop the bickering and arguments.Raise guild 60 mounts to 56% - keep same priceDrop wargs to 48% - keep same pricePeople really need to stop arguing for the sake of arguing. Being in a guild that's lvl 60 does not make you better than anyone else. Its funny to see how EQ2 'status' relates to RL 'status'.Just because you live in the 'burbs, drive a car which has a monthly payment as much as your mortgage, and make a quarter million a year salary does not make you any better than the person next to you.Just because you have a 5 bedroom manor with all the furniture available, a guild 60 mount that has stats and runs 50%, and make 1pp an hour does not make you any better than the toon next to you.If you measure your 'wealth' with your possessions - you really have no idea what life is all about.Agree to disagree - enjoy the game for what its all about. Playing along with your friends and having a great time. </blockquote>I have no problem with your recommendations thats the point. Seriosuly the solo or whatever they are people need to pull thier head out of thier rears. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESTIGE OR ELITISM. Its recent (guild level 60 came with EOF) work people put in becoming meaningless. That said they could remove the guild requirment for mounts for all i care as long as thier is SOME semblance of balance in rewards for peoples efforts. I know i have personally worked hard to raise my guild level, acquire status and 10-15pp so i can buy a 50% mount. That work i had done is rendered useless. I along with MANY MANY other people have wasted recent time on a goal that was given away. The fact is they made a cheaper, faster or as fast, and easier to obtain mount that nullifies all other mounts. Mounts were listed originally as a GUILD reward. There are not many guild rewards. Few that people desired. But that is beyond the issue right now. Right now this mount is completely out of line.Guild level 60 mount speed to be raised to 55% or this horse needs to be put back in its place at 45% below the 15-20pp horses. I would be happy if the speed of all mounts was directly relative to its PP and personal status cost. You know some actual progression and development and not just rendering EVERYONE who put in efforts work to waste.

valkyrja

04-23-2007, 02:31 PM

<cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is TRUELY MIND BLOWING! You big guilds are upset that the players who HAVE NO TIME FOR AGUILD can actually have a faster mount.As I stated before. Since day 1 of EQ 2 I have NEVER been in a guild, and thus have been stuck wit ha 40% for what? Nearly 2 years. Now you guilds get come cool as hell looking mounts, that zip around faster than anything and FINALLY (better late than never) we casual players, non-guilded players, and exiles get a gaster mount, and you all start crying?!Jeez I would expect you all to be mad if SOE did something like...GU 37: Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses, and War Beaded Calvary Horses are now purchaseable at all stables by all players. OR GU 35: Wargs are now available via a quest in Loping Plains. Wargs have a runspeed of 50% Increase Slashing, Piercing, Crushing, Ranged, and Focus by 10.0 and Magic resist by 400. Are buyable by all players who complete the quest for 5 plat.But jeez all SOE is doing is giving the casual player a 50% mount, no buff, just runspeed. So we can get around abit faster. 45% just isn't enough to merit a speed change I'd suspect.As for the 5 plat price change. I'm sure thats just the TEST Server price so the mount can be tested. I SINCERELY doubt SOE would make that the Live Server Price.So I think we can relax on that price change. It'd be a HUGE mistake for that price to go live. So we can relax on that.As stated many many times in this thread, Guilds are about Status. All 60 Guilds get the best of the best, items, Fabled armor. As a non-guilded casual player the only fabled I have on my toon is are the 2 (yes only 2) freaking Mast 1 drops I somehow got while soloing. I have NEVER gotten to wear any fabled, have a mailbox in my home, even get a GLANCE at any end game content. Does anyone besides me remember SOE saying EQ II was going to be based towards both the Casual, and Hardcore audiences and form a common ground?Maybe SOE should make Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses purchaseable by all players...and Warg's guild only. So everyone can be happy. I can garan-[I cannot control my vocabulary]-tee the casual/non-guilded/Exile players would be just as happy with that change rather than getting a Warg.For freaking once THINK about the casual players! YOU Guilds apprently have NO IDEA how good you got it. DO you know what Guilds get in Other games (WoW comes to mind mainly)? Guilds are formed purely for Raids and Raids only (yes they do craft for each other and etc). NO STATUS MOUNTS, NO STATUS ARMOR/CLOTHES, NO STATUS TITLES, NO STATUS PERIOD. They just raid and pvp(if PvP is available) are available to them in any way shape or form. Compared to those games EQ II freaking pampers Guilds.For goodness sake be thankful for what you have. Stop being so upset that the casual crowd got some long over-do love.</blockquote>There is no reason, even as a casual player that you can't be in a guild. There are a ton of casual guilds, who are set up with the exact purpose of getting people with similar goals and play styles together. And here's a shocker, there are many of them who are GL60! If you can't find one of these guilds, tell us what server you're on and I'm sure we can find you one within minutes. You're choosing to not gain guild benefits. That is what IS cool about this game, unlike other games, guilds have a purpose for all players, not just raiders.

Gargamel

04-23-2007, 02:34 PM

<cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gargamel wrote:</cite><blockquote>I demand that the mount I paid 20plat (400% more than this mount) have its speed increased to at least 52%, and make the war-braided 55%5 plat for a 50% mount... [I cannot control my vocabulary] is up with that?</blockquote> 2 points:1) The majority of people on the servers are not in level 60 guilds2) I don't want to pay a level 60 guild to join there and buy 50% horse. I know that was a good business for most of you guys, but sorry.Yay SOE, thanks for the new mount, 50% and 5p quest is what we need. My exiled SK will love it (he was not guilded his entire career).</blockquote>Listen dingus, I have been with ONE guild since I started eq2 back at the original launch, and we aren't even lvl 60 (lvl 57.4), so perhaps you should have a bit of a clue before you open your fat mouth and accuse me of 'selling membership' and making money off it. Secondly, the 20plat horse is NOT a lvl 60 guild reward. I just said that there was NO reason why I should need a certain guild level, status, AND pay 400% more to purchase, for a SLOWER mount. Especially if run speed is so 'irrelvant' as some others in this thread are saying.

Oakum

04-23-2007, 02:35 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>Keeping it short and simple. I did raise the run speed questions with the Dev team and was informed that on Tuesday the Test server will be patched and Wargs will be doing 50%. Keep in mind that it's going to the Test Server that way on Tuesday, and the final speed that makes it to the live servers could be higher or lower... but they do listen. You must now say something nice about them. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> I can not express how severly disappointed in the developers for not having an idea of what is in thier own game. I know you are new grimwell but i am going to list why this is VERY dumb idea. Purchasable mounts in eq2- Steppes Pony, Parade Steppes Pony, Halasian Draft Horse, and Parade Halasian Draft Horse- 24% run speed Regular Price: 2 platinum, 45 gold, 76 silver Guild Discount: 52,500 status, 1 platinum, 38 gold, 42 silver (Guild Level: 15) Karana Planes Rider, Parade Karana Plainsrider, Misty Mustang, Parade Misty Mustang- 32% run speed Regular Price: 3 platinum, 68 gold, 64 silver Guild Discount: 80,000 status, 2 platinum, 7 gold, 36 silver (Guild Level: 20) Elder Charger, Parade Elder Charger, Rujarkian Hillsrunner, Parade Rujarkian Hillsrunner-40% Regular Price: 9 platinum, 83 gold, 4 silver Guild Discount: 112,500 status, 5 platinum, 52 gold, 96 silver (Guild Level: 25)Spirit Steed,Majdul Enchanted scroll- 48% Runspeed Price: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80 gold (Guild Level 30) Court Faction Horses: The following horses now require faction and quests completed to even PURCHASE. The following horses require ally (40,000+ faction) with ONE of the courts in Maj'Dul. Horses with custom saddle colors are only available from the court you have ally faction with. Rujarkiak Destrier, Dervish Destrier- 40% runspeed and 4.7 to slash, crush, peirce, and focus Regular Price: 14platinum Guild Discount: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80g (Guild Level: 35) Nightmare, Mistrunner- 48% Runspeed and 300 to all magic resists Price: 400,000 status, 19 platinum, 20 gold, 1 copper (Guild Level 40)War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)In THIS ONE CHANGE you made EVERY SINGLE GUILD REWARD HORSE absolutley useless. Not only does the new quest mount look different. It is now as fast if not faster, cheaper and takes less time and effort required. You have absolutley made all guild mounts COMPELTELY OBSOLETE with this change. REEVALUTE HORSE SPEEDS IN GENERAL or reduce this mount to 42% at the MOST.P.s. The above prices does not even reflect the time necessary to level a guild to the appropriate level OR the time required to build enough personal faction.</blockquote>Hmm, so you are saying that everyone will have one now? Loping plains, lvl 60 to 70 zone. A lvl 70 can group with a lvl 55 max lowest. A group of lvl 60's will probably be unable to take on any 3up wereworlves are wargs in the zone. As I see it, probably earliest lvl someone will be able to get is mid 50's. So how are all my low level alts (which I dont like playing much anyway) going to get mounts unless I send the status loot and buy guild mounts for them?None of them are high enough to get a carpet even. As I see it the guild mounts are useful for any non bard/mystic/warden who wants a mount before they get high enough to get the carpet. IMO the lvl 30 guild houses and the one time use raid helpers you can buy at the city merchants are the only really useful thing from leveling the guild. Mounts are fun spells except for those with stats especially at high lvls as long as any class can outrun them with buffs. Pure and simple. The titles are fun things also for guilds. Maybe thats just me cause I have a habit of getting all titles from factions ect that I happen to work on as soon as I can. Or let me put it this way, if the guild mounts went faster then a bard, then their would be reason to level a guild just to get them.

Gungo

04-23-2007, 02:39 PM

<cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is TRUELY MIND BLOWING! You big guilds are upset that the players who HAVE NO TIME FOR AGUILD can actually have a faster mount.As I stated before. Since day 1 of EQ 2 I have NEVER been in a guild, and thus have been stuck wit ha 40% for what? Nearly 2 years. Now you guilds get come cool as hell looking mounts, that zip around faster than anything and FINALLY (better late than never) we casual players, non-guilded players, and exiles get a gaster mount, and you all start crying?!Jeez I would expect you all to be mad if SOE did something like...GU 37: Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses, and War Beaded Calvary Horses are now purchaseable at all stables by all players. OR GU 35: Wargs are now available via a quest in Loping Plains. Wargs have a runspeed of 50% Increase Slashing, Piercing, Crushing, Ranged, and Focus by 10.0 and Magic resist by 400. Are buyable by all players who complete the quest for 5 plat.But jeez all SOE is doing is giving the casual player a 50% mount, no buff, just runspeed. So we can get around abit faster. 45% just isn't enough to merit a speed change I'd suspect.As for the 5 plat price change. I'm sure thats just the TEST Server price so the mount can be tested. I SINCERELY doubt SOE would make that the Live Server Price.So I think we can relax on that price change. It'd be a HUGE mistake for that price to go live. So we can relax on that.As stated many many times in this thread, Guilds are about Status. All 60 Guilds get the best of the best, items, Fabled armor. As a non-guilded casual player the only fabled I have on my toon is are the 2 (yes only 2) freaking Mast 1 drops I somehow got while soloing. I have NEVER gotten to wear any fabled, have a mailbox in my home, even get a GLANCE at any end game content. Does anyone besides me remember SOE saying EQ II was going to be based towards both the Casual, and Hardcore audiences and form a common ground?Maybe SOE should make Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses purchaseable by all players...and Warg's guild only. So everyone can be happy. I can garan-[I cannot control my vocabulary]-tee the casual/non-guilded/Exile players would be just as happy with that change rather than getting a Warg.For freaking once THINK about the casual players! YOU Guilds apprently have NO IDEA how good you got it. DO you know what Guilds get in Other games (WoW comes to mind mainly)? Guilds are formed purely for Raids and Raids only (yes they do craft for each other and etc). NO STATUS MOUNTS, NO STATUS ARMOR/CLOTHES, NO STATUS TITLES, NO STATUS PERIOD. They just raid and pvp(if PvP is available) are available to them in any way shape or form. Compared to those games EQ II freaking pampers Guilds.For goodness sake be thankful for what you have. Stop being so upset that the casual crowd got some long over-do love.</blockquote>Some quick remarks. the price is the stated LIVE PRICE. Fabled items do not come from being in a guild. They come from raiding. You do not need to be in a guild to raid. We have very successful pickup raids on my server that can do all KoS content. Hence raising guild levels has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with fabled armour. You get 3 things when you raised a guild to lvl 60 in EoF. A new title count/countess, you cna put borders on yoru guild cloak, and faster mounts. Only one of which is an actual in game benefit. Guess which one of those was rendered useless by a cheaper and easier to obtain mount.Like i said before i would be fine if all mounts were based purely on cost and personal status. Saying that then this mount should cost 15-20pp and 500,000+ status to cost ~ the same as the guild horses.

Kri

04-23-2007, 02:42 PM

Valdaglerion

04-23-2007, 02:51 PM

Yes, this is a long post but please read through it before responding. Its been stated several times and in several ways throughout this thread but simply put, guild rewards need to revamped. Here is a bullet point list I can see so far that might assist with some things stated:<ul><li>Make status items 'No-Trade': will disallow the buying your way to the top to level your guild. May also have a side effect of curbing some of the botters profits if they cant sell these items.</li><li>Make guild status rewards just that - items of "status", they should have no affect on your "uberness"</li><li>Reconsider making the current status items which do affect your uberness based on personal accomplishment. This is my favorite. Details follow.</li></ul>Take out titles associated with guilds that arent guild specific (Sir, Lady, Count, etc - those are individual titles. Refund to those who have them, lets be fair). Put in titles that reflect the status of a guild. Sorry but not feeling creative enough to come up with an example but something that everything in the guild would have and only people in a guild of that level (maybe this leaves an opening for guild classification - Raiding, Crafting, Questing, etc. The titles could be based on your guild type and level). If you leave the guild the title is no longer available to you. These titles should be bestowed without cost, they have been earned. Maybe a merchant discount based on guild type (crafting guilds get discounts on fuels - making their profit margin higher on their crafts, raiders get discounts on provisions and mending, mending kits maybe?, questers get discounts on provisions and harbor tickets, you get the idea) Any available items for guild status should be restricted to personal house items and flashy mounts (the parade horses or heavily guilded mounts, those which would be associted with status NOT game play affect.) All status horses should start with a run speed of 24% with the ability to upgrade, reduce the overall price of the mounts given these reductions (and yes, make concessions to people who paid more, no need to nerf without making restitution).Cloak design stuff is fine as is imho.Ability to purchase guild houses (if and when we ever get them, and it sure would be nice but that is a huge thread in and of itself, just putting this here to say I was thinking about that as well) higher the guild, better and bigger the house, ammenities, etc.<hr /> A personal achievement based "guild status type level" needs to be put in place and make it difficult. Based on the numbers I have tracked to level a guild to 60, I have included figures which comprise 25% of the need status points for the individual level and remember, this would also be based on a 10% contribution to that level, not your total status gain. That makes the new system valuable and truly a symbol of personal achievement and status. This would equate to the following approximations based on the current 30,40,50,60 ranks for guilds.<ul><li>30 = 375k</li><li>40 = 1.125M</li><li>50 = 2.625M</li><li>60 = 5.625M</li></ul>When you look at the leader boards you will find many of the people talking about how they have earned the right to be in a 60 guild dont come close to these numbers but I digress. The amount of personal achievement needed to reach these levels is massive and should be rewarded handsomely. To that end -The current titles of Lord, Lady, Count, etc... should be either (a) bestowed or (b) available for purchase based on the new individual merit system. Mounts need adornments, these adornments should be 'No-Trade' but once you reach the level to attain them, you can buy as many as you want so you are not limited to the number of mounts you can have. Adornments for mounts should stack allowing you to add various stat upgrades and runspeed. Stacking will be limited to one of each type (i.e. you cant add more than 1 str stat adding adornment.) One of these adornments should be runspeed. I see this guideline using the same 30-60 benchmarks:<ul><li>30 = 40%</li><li>40 = 48%</li><li>50 = 60%</li><li>60 = 80%</li></ul>Runspeed adornments should be no cost, they have been earned by personal achievement. Additional adornments would be available for purchase. Some of the additional adornments could be stat adds (str, int, wis, piercing, whatever) while adding something visual to the mount making it a visual status improvement. Change the name or classification of the mount based on the achieved level of them, again, increasing the status of the item when seen in public.Merchant discounts should be given based on this personal achievement level as well. On servers with brokers, perhaps a broker discount as well. After all, for players that uber a city would allow financial breaks to keep them residenced there.Additional bank slot for each level attained giving you potentially 4 additional bank slots for your toon. ( this would require a modification to all toons from the current 8 to a total of 12, with each of the final four unlocking based on your achievement level).<hr />Obviously this is a mind dump of half baked ideas with more attention to detail needed but in short, put the ability to affect personal game play in the hands of the player. Guilds should be just that, a guild of like minded individuals. After all, the reward for being in a guild should be the entertainment and like minded game play you have with those people not being forced to join one if you want the uber goods of the game.Join a raiding guild because you like to raid and want to have other people that are achievement freaks and want to be totally uber, join a questing guild if you like the adventuring aspects of the game and the lore of it, join a crafting guild if you want to be a master craftsman etc.

Sonnyjim_Grumblestump

04-23-2007, 02:53 PM

Shadowbreath@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: So you only levellled the guild to get a horse? How is doing things together with your guild mates, hopefully having fun in the process, nullified by the introduction of a new mount? To many people a guild is much more than just [Removed for Content] to the [Removed for Content]... </blockquote> There is nothing fun about grinding writs to get a level 60 guild (or even a 30 or..). If it was a highlight of the game, then perhaps you would have a point. However the horse was one of the only valuable items to come from dinging 60. Our "[Removed for Content] [Removed for Content]" requirements are satisfied by the level 60 cloak design. The horse is function and utility. It doesn't matter if you're talking about horses, or carpets, or endgame armor, or titles, or what -- if you work your [Removed for Content] off and pay through the nose for something, NO ONE is going to be happy to see the same or similar item given away next week for a pittance.

Dasein

04-23-2007, 02:57 PM

1. I am an officer in a level 60 guild, and frankly, I am pleased to see this change go through. Levelling the guild is it's own reward - as a guild, we have accomplished something, and I don't need a mount or title to tell me that, nor do I feel our accomplishment is diminished if some other mount becomes available in the future. 2. Run speed is overrated. The difference between a 40% and 50% increase is so negligable as to be basically irrelevent, and with the prevalence of porters, spires and other means of fast travel, I spend such a small amount of time actually riding anywhere that it makes virtually no difference to my overall travel times if I use a 40% or 50% mount.

Gungo

04-23-2007, 02:57 PM

Shadowbreath@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>I have no problem with your recommendations thats the point. Seriosuly the solo or whatever they are people need to pull thier head out of thier rears. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESTIGE OR ELITISM. Its recent (guild level 60 came with EOF) work people put in becoming meaningless. That said they could remove the guild requirment for mounts for all i care as long as thier is SOME semblance of balance in rewards for peoples efforts. I know i have personally worked hard to raise my guild level, acquire status and 10-15pp so i can buy a 50% mount. That work i had done is rendered useless. I along with MANY MANY other people have wasted recent time on a goal that was given away. The fact is they made a cheaper, faster or as fast, and easier to obtain mount that nullifies all other mounts. Mounts were listed originally as a GUILD reward. There are not many guild rewards. Few that people desired. But that is beyond the issue right now. Right now this mount is completely out of line.Guild level 60 mount speed to be raised to 55% or this horse needs to be put back in its place at 45% below the 15-20pp horses. I would be happy if the speed of all mounts was directly relative to its PP and personal status cost. You know some actual progression and development and not just rendering EVERYONE who put in efforts work to waste. </blockquote>So you only levellled the guild to get a horse? How is doing things together with your guild mates, hopefully having fun in the process, nullified by the introduction of a new mount? To many people a guild is much more than just [Removed for Content] to the [Removed for Content]... </blockquote> Good question other then the childish and immature remarks. What is the in game benefit to leveling a guild?The real remarkable thing here is if given the chance NOT ONE PERSON here would ever take the 15pp guild 60 horse w 50% runspeed over the 50% warg for 5pp. I am asking for progression and balance thats it. Why shouldn't the quality of the horse be relative to the status and coin. People who spend more effort should be rewarded w better rewards. where is your reason. All i have read so far is people crying they want. Not one fact or iota of why they deserve a faster mount. Are you spending mroe coin? NO. Are your spending more personal status? NO. Is a a large quest or time investment? NO. Obviously you must of spent a large amount of time raising faction to get a better reward?. Wait no not that either. So your saying for less time , money and effort you deserve a better reward. Try telling that to yoru boss next time your at work and you want a raise.

Valdaglerion

04-23-2007, 02:58 PM

Sonnyjim@Permafrost wrote: <blockquote>It doesn't matter if you're talking about horses, or carpets, or endgame armor, or titles, or what -- if you work your [Removed for Content] off and pay through the nose for something, NO ONE is going to be happy to see the same or similar item given away next week for a pittance. </blockquote>Agreed, with modifications should come refunds.

EQPrime

04-23-2007, 03:00 PM

<cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is TRUELY MIND BLOWING! You big guilds are upset that the players who HAVE NO TIME FOR AGUILD can actually have a faster mount.As I stated before. Since day 1 of EQ 2 I have NEVER been in a guild, and thus have been stuck wit ha 40% for what? Nearly 2 years. Now you guilds get come cool as hell looking mounts, that zip around faster than anything and FINALLY (better late than never) we casual players, non-guilded players, and exiles get a gaster mount, and you all start crying?!Jeez I would expect you all to be mad if SOE did something like...GU 37: Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses, and War Beaded Calvary Horses are now purchaseable at all stables by all players. OR GU 35: Wargs are now available via a quest in Loping Plains. Wargs have a runspeed of 50% Increase Slashing, Piercing, Crushing, Ranged, and Focus by 10.0 and Magic resist by 400. Are buyable by all players who complete the quest for 5 plat.But jeez all SOE is doing is giving the casual player a 50% mount, no buff, just runspeed. So we can get around abit faster. 45% just isn't enough to merit a speed change I'd suspect.As for the 5 plat price change. I'm sure thats just the TEST Server price so the mount can be tested. I SINCERELY doubt SOE would make that the Live Server Price.So I think we can relax on that price change. It'd be a HUGE mistake for that price to go live. So we can relax on that.As stated many many times in this thread, Guilds are about Status. All 60 Guilds get the best of the best, items, Fabled armor. As a non-guilded casual player the only fabled I have on my toon is are the 2 (yes only 2) freaking Mast 1 drops I somehow got while soloing. I have NEVER gotten to wear any fabled, have a mailbox in my home, even get a GLANCE at any end game content. Does anyone besides me remember SOE saying EQ II was going to be based towards both the Casual, and Hardcore audiences and form a common ground?Maybe SOE should make Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses purchaseable by all players...and Warg's guild only. So everyone can be happy. I can garan-[I cannot control my vocabulary]-tee the casual/non-guilded/Exile players would be just as happy with that change rather than getting a Warg.For freaking once THINK about the casual players! YOU Guilds apprently have NO IDEA how good you got it. DO you know what Guilds get in Other games (WoW comes to mind mainly)? Guilds are formed purely for Raids and Raids only (yes they do craft for each other and etc). NO STATUS MOUNTS, NO STATUS ARMOR/CLOTHES, NO STATUS TITLES, NO STATUS PERIOD. They just raid and pvp(if PvP is available) are available to them in any way shape or form. Compared to those games EQ II freaking pampers Guilds.For goodness sake be thankful for what you have. Stop being so upset that the casual crowd got some long over-do love.</blockquote>This post made me laugh. By the way, not all level 60 guilds are raiding guilds. A guild achieving level 60 does not necessarily mean its members are all decked out in "the best of the best" fabled, nor is it a guarantee that its members will be seeing all of the end game content. What it does provide is the option to purchase an expensive title and a horse that is now not much of an upgrade over something that takes a couple of hours and a handful of platinum to acquire.Also, I think you have a problem with your keyboard. You might want to have your caps lock key repaired.

CapnJax21

04-23-2007, 03:00 PM

<cite>xpraetorianx wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nothing in this game should be a GIVEN, as you put it... It took ALOT of work to get to guild level 60 to reap the benefits of what it offers, and in my opinion it DOES make you better. Its called team work and if you get another 25 people working to the same goal I believe it DOES give you a right to brag. The fact of the matter is, guild level 60 was ALL about the mount and now you SOE has trounced that (if you dont change it). In essence belittling all the hard work that those guilds did to attain Level 60. Hard Work and Time should reap the rewards it entails. I love the new mount but honestly the guild 60 stuff should be upgraded to keep it fair to those who busted their hump to accomplish it. <blockquote>If you measure your 'wealth' with your possessions - you really have no idea what life is all about.</blockquote> You do remember your playing a MMO right? Where the main goal is to acquire and exceed? And did you just refer to Real Life while explaining your position on status in a MMO? I think your really confused. </blockquote>

Drewx

04-23-2007, 03:01 PM

<cite>valkyrja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is TRUELY MIND BLOWING! You big guilds are upset that the players who HAVE NO TIME FOR AGUILD can actually have a faster mount.As I stated before. Since day 1 of EQ 2 I have NEVER been in a guild, and thus have been stuck wit ha 40% for what? Nearly 2 years. Now you guilds get come cool as hell looking mounts, that zip around faster than anything and FINALLY (better late than never) we casual players, non-guilded players, and exiles get a gaster mount, and you all start crying?!Jeez I would expect you all to be mad if SOE did something like...GU 37: Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses, and War Beaded Calvary Horses are now purchaseable at all stables by all players. OR GU 35: Wargs are now available via a quest in Loping Plains. Wargs have a runspeed of 50% Increase Slashing, Piercing, Crushing, Ranged, and Focus by 10.0 and Magic resist by 400. Are buyable by all players who complete the quest for 5 plat.But jeez all SOE is doing is giving the casual player a 50% mount, no buff, just runspeed. So we can get around abit faster. 45% just isn't enough to merit a speed change I'd suspect.As for the 5 plat price change. I'm sure thats just the TEST Server price so the mount can be tested. I SINCERELY doubt SOE would make that the Live Server Price.So I think we can relax on that price change. It'd be a HUGE mistake for that price to go live. So we can relax on that.As stated many many times in this thread, Guilds are about Status. All 60 Guilds get the best of the best, items, Fabled armor. As a non-guilded casual player the only fabled I have on my toon is are the 2 (yes only 2) freaking Mast 1 drops I somehow got while soloing. I have NEVER gotten to wear any fabled, have a mailbox in my home, even get a GLANCE at any end game content. Does anyone besides me remember SOE saying EQ II was going to be based towards both the Casual, and Hardcore audiences and form a common ground?Maybe SOE should make Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses purchaseable by all players...and Warg's guild only. So everyone can be happy. I can garan-[I cannot control my vocabulary]-tee the casual/non-guilded/Exile players would be just as happy with that change rather than getting a Warg.For freaking once THINK about the casual players! YOU Guilds apprently have NO IDEA how good you got it. DO you know what Guilds get in Other games (WoW comes to mind mainly)? Guilds are formed purely for Raids and Raids only (yes they do craft for each other and etc). NO STATUS MOUNTS, NO STATUS ARMOR/CLOTHES, NO STATUS TITLES, NO STATUS PERIOD. They just raid and pvp(if PvP is available) are available to them in any way shape or form. Compared to those games EQ II freaking pampers Guilds.For goodness sake be thankful for what you have. Stop being so upset that the casual crowd got some long over-do love.</blockquote>There is no reason, even as a casual player that you can't be in a guild. There are a ton of casual guilds, who are set up with the exact purpose of getting people with similar goals and play styles together. And here's a shocker, there are many of them who are GL60! If you can't find one of these guilds, tell us what server you're on and I'm sure we can find you one within minutes. You're choosing to not gain guild benefits. That is what IS cool about this game, unlike other games, guilds have a purpose for all players, not just raiders. </blockquote> Actually I choose not to join guilds due to constant drama amongst guildmates, loot hoggers, and overly strict rules. I'm a lone wolf/soloist. I prefer to do things my own way when I want. I was in a few guilds back in EQ I and the mob camping, rude people, constant whining, overdone drama, and orders do this and that at the snap of a guild leader's fingers was enough for me to vow never to join a guild again. Many friends I have EQ II also have the grievance of guild drama and etc so I don't see EQ II guilds being any different than guilds in EQ I. Seeing Guilds ZERG othrs to protect an epic mob so they can get the loot, seeing guilds steal quest mobs, steal epics, and worse of all laugh and spit and laugh at the players who don't have "top of the line" gear. Sickens me.Also I am an honest person. The thought of paying a guild to get a 48% or 50% mount or wriggling into one then leaving after I gotten what I wanted is SICKENING. I refuse to profit off of the work of others. I earn my keep! And I will do it by myself! All I have seen from every lvl 60 guild I have come into contact with is a large group of arrogant stuck up players who strut around clad in their fabled gear on their mounts, and spit upon the lesser guilds and casual players. Maybe this is just the guilds on AB and Lucan.Do not get me wrong however, I do respect the guilds that have made their way up in the world. At first I didn't care less about them, a guild was a guild and none of my business. But I accepted a bet from a fellow friend on AB server: The bet was to do Freeport Militia Writs and go from indifferent faction to Ally within 1 week the loser pays the winner 20pp. I could not do it in time (and still owe him 10pp) so I know how hard it is and thus respect guilds having been in there shoes to some extent.However I WILL NOT stand by and watch a new mount that casual players can actually BUY and USE for freaking once, get driven down into the ground on some foolish crusade to keep the casual player down. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO JOIN A GUILD PERIOD!I agree the price is too low on the Warg but like I've said many times. But it seems people CHOOSE not to see it. The 5 plat warg is not the live server price. That would just be STUPID on SOE's part. If memory serves me right the test server is where they allow you to test new content...so why not make it easier for test players to TEST the new mount? I wouldn't be surprised if the live price was 10p or even 20 plat.And lets not forget the "LVL 60 Guilds" you all are forgetting. THE EXILES! What about them they have guilds too do they not? And guess what... There is no 50% Exile Mount!And yes that is what is cool about this game. Guilds have a purpose. But last I checked a Guilds purpose was NOT to keep the casual players down and kick them while they are down! Jeez I see nothing wrong with a mount for non-elitist.

Finora

04-23-2007, 03:03 PM

I'll reiterate my problem with the Warg. It is too easy to obtain for the quality of the mount. Period. Has nothing to do with e-peens, etc etc.Too easy to get, too cheap a price for the item rewarded. 5p+ easy quest for 50% runspeed? Just how is that balanced against the cost of any other mount in the game? (cost measured in time and money, I know there are dropped mounts, but it definately took someone time to manage to get it).As stated in my earlier post, at the very least add a substantial status price to it. Unguilded people have pretty much nothing else to spend status on (same for exiles I guess).

CapnJax21

04-23-2007, 03:06 PM

<cite>xpraetorianx wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nothing in this game should be a GIVEN, as you put it... It took ALOT of work to get to guild level 60 to reap the benefits of what it offers, and in my opinion it DOES make you better. Its called team work and if you get another 25 people working to the same goal I believe it DOES give you a right to brag. The fact of the matter is, guild level 60 was ALL about the mount and now you SOE has trounced that (if you dont change it). In essence belittling all the hard work that those guilds did to attain Level 60. Hard Work and Time should reap the rewards it entails. I love the new mount but honestly the guild 60 stuff should be upgraded to keep it fair to those who busted their hump to accomplish it. <blockquote>If you measure your 'wealth' with your possessions - you really have no idea what life is all about.</blockquote> You do remember your playing a MMO right? Where the main goal is to acquire and exceed? And did you just refer to Real Life while explaining your position on status in a MMO? I think your really confused. </blockquote>I'm not degrading anyone's hard work they put into a guild and aquiring a 60 mount. Gratz to them for putting forth the energy and time in acheiving that status....I thought the main goal of playing an MMO was to have fun?I'm not confused at all.

Kri

04-23-2007, 03:08 PM

<cite>Dasein wrote:</cite><blockquote>1. I am an officer in a level 60 guild, and frankly, I am pleased to see this change go through. Levelling the guild is it's own reward - as a guild, we have accomplished something, and I don't need a mount or title to tell me that, nor do I feel our accomplishment is diminished if some other mount becomes available in the future. 2. Run speed is overrated. The difference between a 40% and 50% increase is so negligable as to be basically irrelevent, and with the prevalence of porters, spires and other means of fast travel, I spend such a small amount of time actually riding anywhere that it makes virtually no difference to my overall travel times if I use a 40% or 50% mount. </blockquote>QFT

McDohl

04-23-2007, 03:08 PM

I'm hardly the most knowledgable person to talk about this, but.. why? Why is it 5 pp AND 50%? Isn't that just too far? I admit I don't easily make plat, in fact I find it veeery hard to, but even then.. 5 pp and 50% makes any sort of horse not worth it. When the warg was first brought up, I thought "Great! Something that looks different. Will keep people entertained for a while.", and on my view, it should really be kept as more of a graphical thing than a 'omgz teh speediest thing evar' thing. Either it's speed and high price, or it's not so much speed and lower price. I'm very comfortable having a 40% warg knowing that all the stat-maximising people will stop using it after a while, and that the people that keep on using it are using it for the looks and not the 'leet stats' that certain people ever so want on it. Even if Guild level 60 people are 'elitist jerks' in the public view, they're still right when they say there's no use having GL 60 Horses, because everyone can just go spend 10-30 minutes on a quest to get something that does the same for cheaper. So, please SoE, give us wargs.. but don't give us wargs that cause other things to go obsolete. Don't give in to the 'I want it fast and cheap' people, that just ruins the game. If you're going to give us wargs, 40% run speed is fine for something that isn't aquired from leveling guilds up. If you DO give 50% wargs, don't have them go for 5 pp, and DO increase GL 60 mounts. ~ Liana

Drewx

04-23-2007, 03:11 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is TRUELY MIND BLOWING! You big guilds are upset that the players who HAVE NO TIME FOR AGUILD can actually have a faster mount.As I stated before. Since day 1 of EQ 2 I have NEVER been in a guild, and thus have been stuck wit ha 40% for what? Nearly 2 years. Now you guilds get come cool as hell looking mounts, that zip around faster than anything and FINALLY (better late than never) we casual players, non-guilded players, and exiles get a gaster mount, and you all start crying?!Jeez I would expect you all to be mad if SOE did something like...GU 37: Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses, and War Beaded Calvary Horses are now purchaseable at all stables by all players. OR GU 35: Wargs are now available via a quest in Loping Plains. Wargs have a runspeed of 50% Increase Slashing, Piercing, Crushing, Ranged, and Focus by 10.0 and Magic resist by 400. Are buyable by all players who complete the quest for 5 plat.But jeez all SOE is doing is giving the casual player a 50% mount, no buff, just runspeed. So we can get around abit faster. 45% just isn't enough to merit a speed change I'd suspect.As for the 5 plat price change. I'm sure thats just the TEST Server price so the mount can be tested. I SINCERELY doubt SOE would make that the Live Server Price.So I think we can relax on that price change. It'd be a HUGE mistake for that price to go live. So we can relax on that.As stated many many times in this thread, Guilds are about Status. All 60 Guilds get the best of the best, items, Fabled armor. As a non-guilded casual player the only fabled I have on my toon is are the 2 (yes only 2) freaking Mast 1 drops I somehow got while soloing. I have NEVER gotten to wear any fabled, have a mailbox in my home, even get a GLANCE at any end game content. Does anyone besides me remember SOE saying EQ II was going to be based towards both the Casual, and Hardcore audiences and form a common ground?Maybe SOE should make Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses purchaseable by all players...and Warg's guild only. So everyone can be happy. I can garan-[I cannot control my vocabulary]-tee the casual/non-guilded/Exile players would be just as happy with that change rather than getting a Warg.For freaking once THINK about the casual players! YOU Guilds apprently have NO IDEA how good you got it. DO you know what Guilds get in Other games (WoW comes to mind mainly)? Guilds are formed purely for Raids and Raids only (yes they do craft for each other and etc). NO STATUS MOUNTS, NO STATUS ARMOR/CLOTHES, NO STATUS TITLES, NO STATUS PERIOD. They just raid and pvp(if PvP is available) are available to them in any way shape or form. Compared to those games EQ II freaking pampers Guilds.For goodness sake be thankful for what you have. Stop being so upset that the casual crowd got some long over-do love.</blockquote>Some quick remarks. the price is the stated LIVE PRICE. Fabled items do not come from being in a guild. They come from raiding. You do not need to be in a guild to raid. We have very successful pickup raids on my server that can do all KoS content. Hence raising guild levels has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with fabled armour. You get 3 things when you raised a guild to lvl 60 in EoF. A new title count/countess, you cna put borders on yoru guild cloak, and faster mounts. Only one of which is an actual in game benefit. Guess which one of those was rendered useless by a cheaper and easier to obtain mount.Like i said before i would be fine if all mounts were based purely on cost and personal status. Saying that then this mount should cost 15-20pp and 500,000+ status to cost ~ the same as the guild horses. </blockquote>If that is truely the stated "LIVE PRICE" Then I full on agree that the that the price is too cheap. I like to earn my rewards, and there is no reason such a fast mount should be that cheap. A 40% Horse costing more than a 50% warg is unacceptable. I do feel the price needs to go up. Status? Fine with me, I would gladly work for status to get the mount.

Calm/Voln

04-23-2007, 03:14 PM

I agree that this kind of invalidates the benefits of the other mounts, but who really cares? Value of items in MMOs is constantly dropping as other better items are introduced. If horses really are the only good reward you get at guild level 60, then that's a bigger problem than just horses. All of the primadonnas who cry over their horses should learn to deal with it in a way that doesn't involve nerfing everything else for their benefit.

Gungo

04-23-2007, 03:18 PM

Simply put they should revert mounts to what they use to be.A reduction in price for guilds. Its not about elitism or keeeping mounts in guild lvl 60 guilds ONLY. Its effort being made obsolete. So My recommendation is to remove the guild level requirment for all horses. Give ALL lvl 20+ guilds a 10% price reduction on mounts, All lvl 40 guilds a 15% price reduction, and all lvl 60 guilds a 20% price reduction. And place a 50% stat free mount between the cost of a 15pp 500,000 personal status 50% speed mount and a 48% 20pp 500,000 status mountBasically put mounts in some kind of order or at least make it comparable to other mounts. I could care less if its tied to guild level at this point. As long as they do something to fix this completely unbalanced reward.

ratdeath

04-23-2007, 03:19 PM

Whats the Warg supposed to be, a quest reward for high level players, somewhat easily obtained that will make other mounts seem obsolete compared to the work put in to get those or do you want to add diversity to EQ2? If its the later why not phase in Wargs just like horses, the faster & cooler looking Wargs to be equally diffucult to obtains as the current horses. That way casual and dedicated players would benefit from the new mounts, not breaking the old mounts or making it unobtainable for some. I am a ratonga player and I have been waiting for a decent non horse mount for ratongas, had my hopes up for the a cat mount (the irony of a ratonga riding a cat.. mmm yeses. us likeses!!) but the Warg seems fine enough <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Perhaps rethink what you want the mounts to be, it can be both high end mounts as well as giving players of all ranges a choice to have some diversity if phasing them in together with the different horse types.

Valdaglerion

04-23-2007, 03:23 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>Simply put they should revert mounts to what they use to be.A reduction in price for guilds. Its not about elitism or keeeping mounts in guild lvl 60 guilds ONLY. Its effort being made obsolete. So My recommendation is to remove the guild level requirment for all horses. Give ALL lvl 20+ guilds a 10%-20% price reduction on mounts. And place a 50% stat free mount between the cost of a 15pp 500,000 personal status 50% speed mount and a 48% 20pp 500,000 status mount</blockquote> Nope, just revamp all guild rewards. See earlier post.

Oakum

04-23-2007, 03:39 PM

<cite>valkyrja wrote:</cite><blockquote>IMO, if they dont revamp guild mounts, this is a total slap in the face to all guilds in the game, not just level 60 ones... </blockquote>I disaggree. The guild mounts speed for the higher level ones do not mean much except for the stats on them. Otherwise there would have been major complaints before whenever a guild lvl 60 person on their 50 percent horse watched a bard/mystic/warden with jboots or any one on the dropped T6 52% speed carpet keep up or even pass them. There was no uproar and complaints went away fast. Its actually the opposite, the bards have been complaining so much about horses and other classes being too fast that they actually got mystics nerfed.It does give another choice though. I personnally will do the quest but as to whether or not I will actually use? I dont know. Do I want to downgrade my runspeed to 50% from 55% with sow and boots for the convenience of not having to cast sow every 45 min? Or will it just sit in my house/bank vault unused. Would be nice if they let us mount it in our house and also display the DoF Carpet on a trophy wall or floor of a trophy room. If SOE wants a guild horse that people will want to level the guild over lvl 30 to get, it will have to faster then the fastest bard? What speed can bards go now? 56 or 68. I have read both so not sure.

Gungo

04-23-2007, 03:56 PM

<cite>Oakum wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>valkyrja wrote:</cite><blockquote>IMO, if they dont revamp guild mounts, this is a total slap in the face to all guilds in the game, not just level 60 ones... </blockquote>I disaggree. The guild mounts speed for the higher level ones do not mean much except for the stats on them. Otherwise there would have been major complaints before whenever a guild lvl 60 person on their 50 percent horse watched a bard/mystic/warden with jboots or any one on the dropped T6 52% speed carpet keep up or even pass them. There was no uproar and complaints went away fast. Its actually the opposite, the bards have been complaining so much about horses and other classes being too fast that they actually got mystics nerfed.It does give another choice though. I personnally will do the quest but as to whether or not I will actually use? I dont know. Do I want to downgrade my runspeed to 50% from 55% with sow and boots for the convenience of not having to cast sow every 45 min? Or will it just sit in my house/bank vault unused. Would be nice if they let us mount it in our house and also display the DoF Carpet on a trophy wall or floor of a trophy room. If SOE wants a guild horse that people will want to level the guild over lvl 30 to get, it will have to faster then the fastest bard? What speed can bards go now? 56 or 68. I have read both so not sure. </blockquote> I don't know how you can make the assumption that since no one complained abotu guild lvl 60 mounts being slower then bard speed that it means mount speed doe snot mean much.You do know not everyone plays a bard/warden/mystic. You are now bringing in class abilites and class balance issues to an item that effectively gives other class skills. Which STILL doesn't addresss the post you qouted. Where the poster is obviously upset he recently spent more money, status and time to acquire an item. That now is obtainable at least at lvl 57 for less coin status and time.

Oakum

04-23-2007, 04:11 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>Arbreth wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually not all the guild mounts have stats. The 20pp 48% speed carpet has non for example. most of the stats are menaingless. They are unusable indoors and people rarely ever fight in combat on mounts. Mostly due to poor manuverability and the indoor restriction. Either/or the only thing tiresome is i provide FACTS. That show issues where you have shown NO justification or FACTS to support your "I WANT" attitude.</blockquote>So tell me which mount do you plan on getting the guild lvl 60 50% runspeed mount for 10pp+ and 448,00 status or the Worg quest for 5pp? Since obviously in your eyes they are both equal. </blockquote>Hmm, guess you didn't pay attention to your stats when you entered an indoor zone when mounted. I never lost the stats from my mount until I died. Then would not be able to get them back until I was outside and could recast my horse. Something I learned from playing in first person view and just occasionally going to 3rd person view. When in first person view and I am pulling a mob soloing I could get body pull aggro, turn and run to where I wanted to fight without a problem. When in third person view my character wants to run backwards or sideways and goes much, much slower. Observing and knowing those things, I don't see the stats from horses as either unusable in indoor zones or the slow backup as being more then a minor nuisance in outdoor zones.

lilmohi

04-23-2007, 04:13 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>I have no problem with your recommendations thats the point. Seriosuly the solo or whatever they are people need to pull thier head out of thier rears. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESTIGE OR ELITISM. Its recent (guild level 60 came with EOF) work people put in becoming meaningless. That said they could remove the guild requirment for mounts for all i care as long as thier is SOME semblance of balance in rewards for peoples efforts. I know i have personally worked hard to raise my guild level, acquire status and 10-15pp so i can buy a 50% mount. That work i had done is rendered useless. I along with MANY MANY other people have wasted recent time on a goal that was given away. The fact is they made a cheaper, faster or as fast, and easier to obtain mount that nullifies all other mounts. Mounts were listed originally as a GUILD reward. There are not many guild rewards. Few that people desired. But that is beyond the issue right now. Right now this mount is completely out of line.Guild level 60 mount speed to be raised to 55% or this horse needs to be put back in its place at 45% below the 15-20pp horses. I would be happy if the speed of all mounts was directly relative to its PP and personal status cost. You know some actual progression and development and not just rendering EVERYONE who put in efforts work to waste. </blockquote>I'm afraid you have missed the point that GUILD rewards were always designed to be nothing more than prestige. The whole concept of effort/reward was never intended to apply to guild rewards. This is why most guild rewards are nothing more than visual. Such as titles, housing items, banks, clothing and cloaks. It is also why the most expensive horse in the game has neither the best stats nor requires lvl60. It is all about having that "look" that sets you apart from the masses. And to that end the warg at any speed is no threat to the guild mounts. After all in tolkien based fantasy (which EQ is), the wolf mount is always the cheap and dirty cavalry, the elite troops ride massive barded horse or more exotic beasts.However if you feel that guild rewards need to be revamped to be more tangible, that is fine, but take it to another forum. Your arguing that wargs should be nerfed is counter productive to both the comunity at large that wants the change, and to everyone's who thinks the guild rewards need a revamp. After all you propose that nerfing wargs will make it so guild rewards won't need to be looked at. If horse speed is truely as you claim the only reward for leveling up your guild then why is the guild lvl 40 horse slower than the 30? Why is the 50 more expensive than the 60 (which is faster)? I think i have that right, but i know there are some major descrepancies on guild horses if you base it soley on speed which as you pointed out is all that matters.I say Way to go DEVS!! and i hope to see in the near future, guild estates (not just a house but land as well) that can be added as a reward to those who put effort into leveling up their guild.BTW i do think that with the lower price for these mounts they should add a status cost to these mounts, after all up until now unguilded people could accumulate status points but had nothing to do with them. Put an 500k-800k SP + 5pp price tag would be very reasonable i think.

Ixnay

04-23-2007, 04:36 PM

I read this entire thread and must say I agree with Gungo, Cochy and others who are, in essense, asking why the only real incentive to level up a guild in EQ2 is being removed in the next Game Update. The main reward for players to work and earn level 60 as a common goal for their guild is presently to get the coolest and best mount in game. Now, players will be able to get the coolest and best mount in game for only a fraction of the cost and effort as the best guild mount available. Why work toward common goals or even be guilded at all, especially for players who don't raid? If this plan goes live, I see it as being more harmful to guilds than anything else previously implemented in EQ2. I urge the EQ2 team to reconsider this move, and perhaps to explore some alternatives, if they insist on going live with the new Worg mount at 50% speed. Would it really be game unbalancing if there was a 60% mount in EQ2? I don't think it would. And if it isn't, I'd certainly drop all objections to this plan if the top guild mount is boosted to 60 speed at the same time the Worg mount is introduced at 50 speed. That would be fair - not doing that or providing a greater benefit (and not a trifling 2% speed boost) for the top end guild mount will be extremely unfair, and harmful to the game, in my opinion.

Wingrider01

04-23-2007, 04:40 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>I have not met one person who has ever paid to get a guild invite to buy a guild lvl 60 mount. If it happens it is a rarity, not the norm. This is not an issue of prestige or making money. This is purely the point of many people who have JUST recently spent considerable time invested in leveling a guild, gaining personal status and saving 10-20pp to buy themselves a mount. Then having thier work rendered useless with a new mount that does not follow the same progression as ANY other mount in game. The fact is really simple not one person here will pay 10pp+ 448,000 status for a 50% horse mount, when you can get a 5pp 50% worg mount. It doesn't add up. The worg should be no faster then 45% or the guild 60 mount needs to be raised to 55%. Its effort vs reward and no one can deny that fact. 5pp< 10pp, 0 status<448,000 status, 0 guild level<60 guild levels. </blockquote> ROFL you don't pay much attention then, get the offers all the time. Guess you don't know anyone that gets the plat advertisments and the offers for power leveling, this is where the offers for the mounts come from also.Cudos to SoE for doing this, giving something to those that don;t raid and belong to high end guilds is a step in the right direction.

Ixnay

04-23-2007, 04:46 PM

On the subject of guild rewards, I have over 15 million unspent status points between my characters. I'd like to see a really strong incentive based on status points, so we have something to work toward and then spend them on. Yes, I'll say it. I'd like to see an AMAZING mount that costs 10 MILLION status points. You want to put the fever back in EQ2? Make an incentive so powerful it gives players the same incentive as when the level cap is raised - put in mounts that really do something, provide an "I gotta have that" ability, at an extraordinary cost. It obviously worked in WoW with their epic mounts, just design and implement something better. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

valkyrja

04-23-2007, 05:00 PM

<cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>valkyrja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is TRUELY MIND BLOWING! You big guilds are upset that the players who HAVE NO TIME FOR AGUILD can actually have a faster mount.As I stated before. Since day 1 of EQ 2 I have NEVER been in a guild, and thus have been stuck wit ha 40% for what? Nearly 2 years. Now you guilds get come cool as hell looking mounts, that zip around faster than anything and FINALLY (better late than never) we casual players, non-guilded players, and exiles get a gaster mount, and you all start crying?!Jeez I would expect you all to be mad if SOE did something like...GU 37: Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses, and War Beaded Calvary Horses are now purchaseable at all stables by all players. OR GU 35: Wargs are now available via a quest in Loping Plains. Wargs have a runspeed of 50% Increase Slashing, Piercing, Crushing, Ranged, and Focus by 10.0 and Magic resist by 400. Are buyable by all players who complete the quest for 5 plat.But jeez all SOE is doing is giving the casual player a 50% mount, no buff, just runspeed. So we can get around abit faster. 45% just isn't enough to merit a speed change I'd suspect.As for the 5 plat price change. I'm sure thats just the TEST Server price so the mount can be tested. I SINCERELY doubt SOE would make that the Live Server Price.So I think we can relax on that price change. It'd be a HUGE mistake for that price to go live. So we can relax on that.As stated many many times in this thread, Guilds are about Status. All 60 Guilds get the best of the best, items, Fabled armor. As a non-guilded casual player the only fabled I have on my toon is are the 2 (yes only 2) freaking Mast 1 drops I somehow got while soloing. I have NEVER gotten to wear any fabled, have a mailbox in my home, even get a GLANCE at any end game content. Does anyone besides me remember SOE saying EQ II was going to be based towards both the Casual, and Hardcore audiences and form a common ground?Maybe SOE should make Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses purchaseable by all players...and Warg's guild only. So everyone can be happy. I can garan-[I cannot control my vocabulary]-tee the casual/non-guilded/Exile players would be just as happy with that change rather than getting a Warg.For freaking once THINK about the casual players! YOU Guilds apprently have NO IDEA how good you got it. DO you know what Guilds get in Other games (WoW comes to mind mainly)? Guilds are formed purely for Raids and Raids only (yes they do craft for each other and etc). NO STATUS MOUNTS, NO STATUS ARMOR/CLOTHES, NO STATUS TITLES, NO STATUS PERIOD. They just raid and pvp(if PvP is available) are available to them in any way shape or form. Compared to those games EQ II freaking pampers Guilds.For goodness sake be thankful for what you have. Stop being so upset that the casual crowd got some long over-do love.</blockquote>There is no reason, even as a casual player that you can't be in a guild. There are a ton of casual guilds, who are set up with the exact purpose of getting people with similar goals and play styles together. And here's a shocker, there are many of them who are GL60! If you can't find one of these guilds, tell us what server you're on and I'm sure we can find you one within minutes. You're choosing to not gain guild benefits. That is what IS cool about this game, unlike other games, guilds have a purpose for all players, not just raiders. </blockquote> Actually I choose not to join guilds due to constant drama amongst guildmates, loot hoggers, and overly strict rules. I'm a lone wolf/soloist. I prefer to do things my own way when I want. I was in a few guilds back in EQ I and the mob camping, rude people, constant whining, overdone drama, and orders do this and that at the snap of a guild leader's fingers was enough for me to vow never to join a guild again. Many friends I have EQ II also have the grievance of guild drama and etc so I don't see EQ II guilds being any different than guilds in EQ I. Seeing Guilds ZERG othrs to protect an epic mob so they can get the loot, seeing guilds steal quest mobs, steal epics, and worse of all laugh and spit and laugh at the players who don't have "top of the line" gear. Sickens me.Also I am an honest person. The thought of paying a guild to get a 48% or 50% mount or wriggling into one then leaving after I gotten what I wanted is SICKENING. I refuse to profit off of the work of others. I earn my keep! And I will do it by myself! All I have seen from every lvl 60 guild I have come into contact with is a large group of arrogant stuck up players who strut around clad in their fabled gear on their mounts, and spit upon the lesser guilds and casual players. Maybe this is just the guilds on AB and Lucan.Do not get me wrong however, I do respect the guilds that have made their way up in the world. At first I didn't care less about them, a guild was a guild and none of my business. But I accepted a bet from a fellow friend on AB server: The bet was to do Freeport Militia Writs and go from indifferent faction to Ally within 1 week the loser pays the winner 20pp. I could not do it in time (and still owe him 10pp) so I know how hard it is and thus respect guilds having been in there shoes to some extent.However I WILL NOT stand by and watch a new mount that casual players can actually BUY and USE for freaking once, get driven down into the ground on some foolish crusade to keep the casual player down. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO JOIN A GUILD PERIOD!I agree the price is too low on the Warg but like I've said many times. But it seems people CHOOSE not to see it. The 5 plat warg is not the live server price. That would just be STUPID on SOE's part. If memory serves me right the test server is where they allow you to test new content...so why not make it easier for test players to TEST the new mount? I wouldn't be surprised if the live price was 10p or even 20 plat.And lets not forget the "LVL 60 Guilds" you all are forgetting. THE EXILES! What about them they have guilds too do they not? And guess what... There is no 50% Exile Mount!And yes that is what is cool about this game. Guilds have a purpose. But last I checked a Guilds purpose was NOT to keep the casual players down and kick them while they are down! Jeez I see nothing wrong with a mount for non-elitist.</blockquote>If you choose to be a lone wolf, that's one thing. Good for you. But Your generalizations of guilds are entirely off, to say the least. The key to getting in a guild w/o drama is to find one that matches your playstyle. I was in one on Permafrost "League of the Ignoble Liver". They have literally no requirements for their members. No required raiding, grouping, questions, leveling, etc... And guess what, not only are they some of the best people I've played with, they are also GL60. Though I do agree with you that you should not HAVE to join a guild. The argument here isn't that people who are not in a guild will be able to get a 50% mount, it's that by adding a 5pp, 50% mount they are rendering all other mounts obsolete. I don't care what your stance is on the issue, you cannot deny this. Lastly, for your exile comments... No one is "forgetting" exiles. Exile is not a status that you are intended to stay at, the devs have stated so. If you're choosing to live in exile, you're choosing for things to be slightly less convenient. Anyhow, I'm not here to sell you into the idea of joining a guild, if you're happy playing the way you do, that's all that matters. But you have to see these issues from the point of people who are taking advantage of all the game has to offer, and though you don't care for it, Guilds are a part of what the game offers.

Gungo

04-23-2007, 05:15 PM

<cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>I have no problem with your recommendations thats the point. Seriosuly the solo or whatever they are people need to pull thier head out of thier rears. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESTIGE OR ELITISM. Its recent (guild level 60 came with EOF) work people put in becoming meaningless. That said they could remove the guild requirment for mounts for all i care as long as thier is SOME semblance of balance in rewards for peoples efforts. I know i have personally worked hard to raise my guild level, acquire status and 10-15pp so i can buy a 50% mount. That work i had done is rendered useless. I along with MANY MANY other people have wasted recent time on a goal that was given away. The fact is they made a cheaper, faster or as fast, and easier to obtain mount that nullifies all other mounts. Mounts were listed originally as a GUILD reward. There are not many guild rewards. Few that people desired. But that is beyond the issue right now. Right now this mount is completely out of line.Guild level 60 mount speed to be raised to 55% or this horse needs to be put back in its place at 45% below the 15-20pp horses. I would be happy if the speed of all mounts was directly relative to its PP and personal status cost. You know some actual progression and development and not just rendering EVERYONE who put in efforts work to waste. </blockquote>I'm afraid you have missed the point that GUILD rewards were always designed to be nothing more than prestige. The whole concept of effort/reward was never intended to apply to guild rewards. This is why most guild rewards are nothing more than visual. Such as titles, housing items, banks, clothing and cloaks. It is also why the most expensive horse in the game has neither the best stats nor requires lvl60. It is all about having that "look" that sets you apart from the masses. And to that end the warg at any speed is no threat to the guild mounts. After all in tolkien based fantasy (which EQ is), the wolf mount is always the cheap and dirty cavalry, the elite troops ride massive barded horse or more exotic beasts.However if you feel that guild rewards need to be revamped to be more tangible, that is fine, but take it to another forum. Your arguing that wargs should be nerfed is counter productive to both the comunity at large that wants the change, and to everyone's who thinks the guild rewards need a revamp. After all you propose that nerfing wargs will make it so guild rewards won't need to be looked at. If horse speed is truely as you claim the only reward for leveling up your guild then why is the guild lvl 40 horse slower than the 30? Why is the 50 more expensive than the 60 (which is faster)? I think i have that right, but i know there are some major descrepancies on guild horses if you base it soley on speed which as you pointed out is all that matters.I say Way to go DEVS!! and i hope to see in the near future, guild estates (not just a house but land as well) that can be added as a reward to those who put effort into leveling up their guild.BTW i do think that with the lower price for these mounts they should add a status cost to these mounts, after all up until now unguilded people could accumulate status points but had nothing to do with them. Put an 500k-800k SP + 5pp price tag would be very reasonable i think. </blockquote>Seriosuly where do you come up with this horsecrap. I can provide direct qoutes that state specifically that guild rewards would include better mounts. There was neve ANY mounts included as a non guild reward until the free carpet. Try backing up a statement you ar emaking with actual facts next time. And tolkien didnt create the eq2 theme tolkiens work was also ripped from many other sources. Elves and dwarves etc exsisted long before tolkien.

NorrinRadd

04-23-2007, 05:25 PM

You pay to log into an "Imaginary World", Fight "Imaginary Monsters",Win "Imaginary Loot",go on "Imaginary Adventures" while gaining "Imaginary Levels" both on "Imaginary Characters" & in "Imaginary Guilds" yet you complain that all the time & effort has been for naught because a new "Imaginary Mount" has the same "Imaginary Runspeed" as the quote ~unquote " Top Guild Mount Reward" for all your "Imaginary Accomplishments". I still can't believe this is real...<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Bramwe

04-23-2007, 05:29 PM

Hmm nice upgrade to my Carpet here. I can't wait <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Valdaglerion

04-23-2007, 05:30 PM

<cite>NorrinRadd wrote:</cite><blockquote>You pay to log into an "Imaginary World", Fight "Imaginary Monsters",Win "Imaginary Loot",go on "Imaginary Adventures" while gaining "Imaginary Levels" both on "Imaginary Characters" & in "Imaginary Guilds" yet you complain that all the time & effort has been for naught because a new "Imaginary Mount" has the same "Imaginary Runspeed" as the quote ~unquote " Top Guild Mount Reward" for all your "Imaginary Accomplishments". I still can't believe this is real...<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> that was too funny

Drewx

04-23-2007, 06:18 PM

<cite>valkyrja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>valkyrja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Drewx wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is TRUELY MIND BLOWING! You big guilds are upset that the players who HAVE NO TIME FOR AGUILD can actually have a faster mount.As I stated before. Since day 1 of EQ 2 I have NEVER been in a guild, and thus have been stuck wit ha 40% for what? Nearly 2 years. Now you guilds get come cool as hell looking mounts, that zip around faster than anything and FINALLY (better late than never) we casual players, non-guilded players, and exiles get a gaster mount, and you all start crying?!Jeez I would expect you all to be mad if SOE did something like...GU 37: Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses, and War Beaded Calvary Horses are now purchaseable at all stables by all players. OR GU 35: Wargs are now available via a quest in Loping Plains. Wargs have a runspeed of 50% Increase Slashing, Piercing, Crushing, Ranged, and Focus by 10.0 and Magic resist by 400. Are buyable by all players who complete the quest for 5 plat.But jeez all SOE is doing is giving the casual player a 50% mount, no buff, just runspeed. So we can get around abit faster. 45% just isn't enough to merit a speed change I'd suspect.As for the 5 plat price change. I'm sure thats just the TEST Server price so the mount can be tested. I SINCERELY doubt SOE would make that the Live Server Price.So I think we can relax on that price change. It'd be a HUGE mistake for that price to go live. So we can relax on that.As stated many many times in this thread, Guilds are about Status. All 60 Guilds get the best of the best, items, Fabled armor. As a non-guilded casual player the only fabled I have on my toon is are the 2 (yes only 2) freaking Mast 1 drops I somehow got while soloing. I have NEVER gotten to wear any fabled, have a mailbox in my home, even get a GLANCE at any end game content. Does anyone besides me remember SOE saying EQ II was going to be based towards both the Casual, and Hardcore audiences and form a common ground?Maybe SOE should make Nightmare/Mistrunner Horses purchaseable by all players...and Warg's guild only. So everyone can be happy. I can garan-[I cannot control my vocabulary]-tee the casual/non-guilded/Exile players would be just as happy with that change rather than getting a Warg.For freaking once THINK about the casual players! YOU Guilds apprently have NO IDEA how good you got it. DO you know what Guilds get in Other games (WoW comes to mind mainly)? Guilds are formed purely for Raids and Raids only (yes they do craft for each other and etc). NO STATUS MOUNTS, NO STATUS ARMOR/CLOTHES, NO STATUS TITLES, NO STATUS PERIOD. They just raid and pvp(if PvP is available) are available to them in any way shape or form. Compared to those games EQ II freaking pampers Guilds.For goodness sake be thankful for what you have. Stop being so upset that the casual crowd got some long over-do love.</blockquote>There is no reason, even as a casual player that you can't be in a guild. There are a ton of casual guilds, who are set up with the exact purpose of getting people with similar goals and play styles together. And here's a shocker, there are many of them who are GL60! If you can't find one of these guilds, tell us what server you're on and I'm sure we can find you one within minutes. You're choosing to not gain guild benefits. That is what IS cool about this game, unlike other games, guilds have a purpose for all players, not just raiders. </blockquote> Actually I choose not to join guilds due to constant drama amongst guildmates, loot hoggers, and overly strict rules. I'm a lone wolf/soloist. I prefer to do things my own way when I want. I was in a few guilds back in EQ I and the mob camping, rude people, constant whining, overdone drama, and orders do this and that at the snap of a guild leader's fingers was enough for me to vow never to join a guild again. Many friends I have EQ II also have the grievance of guild drama and etc so I don't see EQ II guilds being any different than guilds in EQ I. Seeing Guilds ZERG othrs to protect an epic mob so they can get the loot, seeing guilds steal quest mobs, steal epics, and worse of all laugh and spit and laugh at the players who don't have "top of the line" gear. Sickens me.Also I am an honest person. The thought of paying a guild to get a 48% or 50% mount or wriggling into one then leaving after I gotten what I wanted is SICKENING. I refuse to profit off of the work of others. I earn my keep! And I will do it by myself! All I have seen from every lvl 60 guild I have come into contact with is a large group of arrogant stuck up players who strut around clad in their fabled gear on their mounts, and spit upon the lesser guilds and casual players. Maybe this is just the guilds on AB and Lucan.Do not get me wrong however, I do respect the guilds that have made their way up in the world. At first I didn't care less about them, a guild was a guild and none of my business. But I accepted a bet from a fellow friend on AB server: The bet was to do Freeport Militia Writs and go from indifferent faction to Ally within 1 week the loser pays the winner 20pp. I could not do it in time (and still owe him 10pp) so I know how hard it is and thus respect guilds having been in there shoes to some extent.However I WILL NOT stand by and watch a new mount that casual players can actually BUY and USE for freaking once, get driven down into the ground on some foolish crusade to keep the casual player down. PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE FORCED TO JOIN A GUILD PERIOD!I agree the price is too low on the Warg but like I've said many times. But it seems people CHOOSE not to see it. The 5 plat warg is not the live server price. That would just be STUPID on SOE's part. If memory serves me right the test server is where they allow you to test new content...so why not make it easier for test players to TEST the new mount? I wouldn't be surprised if the live price was 10p or even 20 plat.And lets not forget the "LVL 60 Guilds" you all are forgetting. THE EXILES! What about them they have guilds too do they not? And guess what... There is no 50% Exile Mount!And yes that is what is cool about this game. Guilds have a purpose. But last I checked a Guilds purpose was NOT to keep the casual players down and kick them while they are down! Jeez I see nothing wrong with a mount for non-elitist.</blockquote>If you choose to be a lone wolf, that's one thing. Good for you. But Your generalizations of guilds are entirely off, to say the least. The key to getting in a guild w/o drama is to find one that matches your playstyle. I was in one on Permafrost "League of the Ignoble Liver". They have literally no requirements for their members. No required raiding, grouping, questions, leveling, etc... And guess what, not only are they some of the best people I've played with, they are also GL60. Though I do agree with you that you should not HAVE to join a guild. The argument here isn't that people who are not in a guild will be able to get a 50% mount, it's that by adding a 5pp, 50% mount they are rendering all other mounts obsolete. I don't care what your stance is on the issue, you cannot deny this. Lastly, for your exile comments... No one is "forgetting" exiles. Exile is not a status that you are intended to stay at, the devs have stated so. If you're choosing to live in exile, you're choosing for things to be slightly less convenient. Anyhow, I'm not here to sell you into the idea of joining a guild, if you're happy playing the way you do, that's all that matters. But you have to see these issues from the point of people who are taking advantage of all the game has to offer, and though you don't care for it, Guilds are a part of what the game offers. </blockquote>My feelings towards guilds aside. (I do not want to argue over it. Nor will I ever be changed towards a positive view of guilds call me jaded if you wish.) You must have missed that Ihave indeed seen and experienced some of what guilds go through. I understand the whole Effort vs Reward everyone is screaming about. Honestly I do. The Warg vs The War-Beaded Calvary Horse [In terms of Speed & Cost]<-- This seems to be the TRUE argument.I agree that the plat cost is unacceptably low. 5pp is just too low for a 50% mount even with a quest that is unacceptable in my eyes. I had to pay 14pp for my DoF horse. Which is still 40% and add a slashing, piercing, and crushing buff. But the warg is 50% with no buff...and under 14plat? I agree that the price needs to be raised.However, saying that a 50% mount with no buff renders a 50% mount with a buff obsolete? Eh...I cannot agree with that. Any extra features on an item give that item an edge. You guild types may not wish to recognize that your mounts buff you, as stated awhile back someone said they don't care about the buff, but the fact remains that those horses do buff you. When you buy those horses you are not paying for the runspeed alone, you are also paying for the elite/cosmetic appearance, and the buff. Why else would the DoF horses cost such an unbelievable amount? Not only do you look good on the mount, not only do you move fast on the mount, but you also are stronger on the mount. All the Warg does is let it's rider move faster. I cannot see how that is making the guild mount obsolete. If I had a choice I would go with the cool looking mount with the buff, but I don't see that happening for along time. Hopefully SOE will increase the guild mount runspeed so you all can run alittle bit faster and shut up. Maybe they should get rid of the guild mount buffs cause no one cares for them...it's all in the runspeed it seems. Seriously take a look at this thread..no one cares about the buff at all it seems. I saved up for the DoF Mounts to be rid of the now ugly Rujarkian(formally Clydesdale)Hillrunner, to get a ___ saddled Rujarkian Dierstrider(whatever its spelled) cause while I hate fighting on the mount, that buff makes a difference when jumped on my horse and in dungeons. As for my side on this(though you don't care)...To the average casual player this comes off LOOKING like an attack at our new mount, whether it is intentional or not. That is what I GREATLY dislike. Looking at both sides of the fence. Being a GL 60 Guild gives more benefits than JUST a mount. Disclaim it as much as you like, you get the mounts, furniture, items & charms, titles, and cloaks. All that hard work is well rewarded.Too the casual player we get crafted furniture, items, and 40% mounts that look about the same, nothing really fancy at all. Those who save up for DoF horses...get more of the same, just in armor. No flaming nightmares, holy mistrunners, and decked out calvary horses.Who wins out? The guilds.Bottom line: A 50% mount with no buffs won't make guild mounts obsolete. People will STILL want those cool horses and thus desire guilds. 5pp for the mount? Unacceptable. Looking at it from the casual side. I had to pay 14pp for a 40% mount with a buff and 9p, 83g, 4s for a mount with just 40% runspeed. So the Warg needs to fit somewhere between 9p, 83g, 4s and 14p or be 18p because it is EXTREME UPGRADE from the regular 40% mount, and a significant upgrade from the 40% mount with a buff. 10% extra runspeed is worth the money. Quest or no quest. The speed is worth more than 5p, possibly under 18p. But I'm fine paying 18p. I can save up...(and duck my debters for awhile)EDIT: Corrected Horse Prices. And changed ratio of pricing due to it.

lilmohi

04-23-2007, 06:36 PM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>I have no problem with your recommendations thats the point. Seriosuly the solo or whatever they are people need to pull thier head out of thier rears. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESTIGE OR ELITISM. Its recent (guild level 60 came with EOF) work people put in becoming meaningless. That said they could remove the guild requirment for mounts for all i care as long as thier is SOME semblance of balance in rewards for peoples efforts. I know i have personally worked hard to raise my guild level, acquire status and 10-15pp so i can buy a 50% mount. That work i had done is rendered useless. I along with MANY MANY other people have wasted recent time on a goal that was given away. The fact is they made a cheaper, faster or as fast, and easier to obtain mount that nullifies all other mounts. Mounts were listed originally as a GUILD reward. There are not many guild rewards. Few that people desired. But that is beyond the issue right now. Right now this mount is completely out of line.Guild level 60 mount speed to be raised to 55% or this horse needs to be put back in its place at 45% below the 15-20pp horses. I would be happy if the speed of all mounts was directly relative to its PP and personal status cost. You know some actual progression and development and not just rendering EVERYONE who put in efforts work to waste. </blockquote>I'm afraid you have missed the point that GUILD rewards were always designed to be nothing more than prestige. The whole concept of effort/reward was never intended to apply to guild rewards. This is why most guild rewards are nothing more than visual. Such as titles, housing items, banks, clothing and cloaks. It is also why the most expensive horse in the game has neither the best stats nor requires lvl60. It is all about having that "look" that sets you apart from the masses. And to that end the warg at any speed is no threat to the guild mounts. After all in tolkien based fantasy (which EQ is), the wolf mount is always the cheap and dirty cavalry, the elite troops ride massive barded horse or more exotic beasts.However if you feel that guild rewards need to be revamped to be more tangible, that is fine, but take it to another forum. Your arguing that wargs should be nerfed is counter productive to both the comunity at large that wants the change, and to everyone's who thinks the guild rewards need a revamp. After all you propose that nerfing wargs will make it so guild rewards won't need to be looked at. If horse speed is truely as you claim the only reward for leveling up your guild then why is the guild lvl 40 horse slower than the 30? Why is the 50 more expensive than the 60 (which is faster)? I think i have that right, but i know there are some major descrepancies on guild horses if you base it soley on speed which as you pointed out is all that matters.I say Way to go DEVS!! and i hope to see in the near future, guild estates (not just a house but land as well) that can be added as a reward to those who put effort into leveling up their guild.BTW i do think that with the lower price for these mounts they should add a status cost to these mounts, after all up until now unguilded people could accumulate status points but had nothing to do with them. Put an 500k-800k SP + 5pp price tag would be very reasonable i think. </blockquote>Seriosuly where do you come up with this horsecrap. I can provide direct qoutes that state specifically that guild rewards would include better mounts. There was neve ANY mounts included as a non guild reward until the free carpet. Try backing up a statement you ar emaking with actual facts next time. And tolkien didnt create the eq2 theme tolkiens work was also ripped from many other sources. Elves and dwarves etc exsisted long before tolkien. </blockquote>Oh you can provide quotes? Great show me where a developer said that the main reason to level up a guild is to get a faster horse. Seriously if that is the case then how do you explain how from guild level 30 to level 60 (3 expansions) the top horse only increased speed by 2%? How do you think they explained why the guild lvl 40 horse would be slower than the 30? Personally i'd love to provide quotes to back myself up but unfortunately the old stuff is no longer there or impossible to find by searching. The simple truth is horses are nothing but a prestige item, and no matter how fast the warg runs or how cheap it is, the only people (hopefully) riding a lvl 60 guild horse will be ones who were part of a guild that worked their tail off for one. Therefore the presige of the item is maintained.

ke'la

04-23-2007, 06:42 PM

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>ke'la wrote: <blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote>LOL I'm sorry but I just dont see your argument as to any kind of "unbalance". Level 60 guilds atm allow any level players to purchase a guild level 60 mount. This is a little bit cheaper but it has to be quested for. We higher level player finally got a mount that a twink cant get. I love it. And thank God for a new "non-horse" mount!Think about solo players that dont like to be bothered by guildies begging them to attend raids or help on a quest. Thats their play style. I respect it and give props to the devs for including content for them as well.</blockquote>War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)Do you see that number? Its called status. Do you know how status is gained? Either by killing raid mobs in a guild (in effect adding to the guild level), By doing LOTS of quests called writs, by killing ALOT of mobs and obtaining thousands and thousands of status items or a mix of the above. DO you know how long it took test people to finish the quest series and get the new mount ON TEST? 10 minutes.There is no BALANCE. The new quest mounts are cheaper, easier to obtain and/or faster then ANYOTHER MOUNT IN GAME. </blockquote> Do you know how long it takes to BUY status items on our server and/or plat from the plat sellers and totally twink out an alt? About 10 minutes and a lot less effort than having to be a lvl 61+ toon to even get the quest in Loping Plains for this mount. Personally, I have said before it takes little to no effort to get into a lvl 60 guild and buy a mount. And lets not start the whole fact there are lvl 60 guilds who let people in temporarily for a "fee" just so they can buy their mounts and leave. I would love to see all guild rewards rendered useless if you are no longer in a guild of the appropriate level for that reward but that is another thread. </blockquote>Do you know how much Plat it takes to BUY status iteams.... Assuming the 650 status iteam is the Berillium Relic(I think it is), it is currently 4g each on my server(the one that starts with X is 10g each and there was only 10 available) you need 691 of the 650 status relics to get that amount of status that works out to ~ 27p 64g (assuming you can get 691 of those relics) add the 14p 36g, now that "EASY TO GET" guild mount cost you 42p, I do beleave 42p is just about 4x harder to get then a 10min quest + 10p and your basicly getting the same mount. No this won't do what the Buffing the carpet did and make it so EVERYONE is now riding a Warg. ::EDIT::Added the underlined text</blockquote>Yep , check them often. T7 items give 650 SP and they are Xegonite and Berillium, kinda odd they both give the same SP but yeah, anyway. They are actually T8 items which are emerald and you rarely see those for sale (they give 800). The 650 SP items sell for 1-2g on our server and there are thousands of each of the 4 kinds at any given time. Considering plat is easy to come by and relatively cheap the cost of the status for the mount turns out to be around 12-15plat on our server, a penance really when considering the amount of time it would take you to earn that much status the traditional way. As I said previously, when status items become no-trade, "Status" items will actually have some meaning because the individual toons will have to earn them. With the current implementation you can buy your status so you dont really know who has earned them and who has bought their way to the top. The titles in the game which still have meaning are those available only through writs (city and a few in dof, not the majdul ones as faction there can be purchased as well by tokens). The guild titles dont really mean anything either other than you purchased them at some point and at some point you were in a guild of X level to buy them. Modifying those titles and all other guild rewards to only available if you are in a guild of that level makes them interesting. Means you have to earn the right to stay in that guild in order to use your rewards, no joining, buying and leaving...Of course the guild should lose all SP associated with a member if they leave the guild. Makes it more symbiotic. Guilds need to keep their members to keep from losing their level and members to to stay in their guild in order to keep use their rewards. Hmmm....nah, too logical I guess <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>So ON YOUR SERVER, it currently 26-29p (using Status iteams as the exange rate) to get a 50% runspeed mount. The second this goes live it will take one of the EASIEST quests in the game(based on reports from test) and 5pp to get what is basicly THE SAME MOUNT... yeah I guess that wont make every other mount(save MAYBE the carpet from DoF) obsolete. So what if they bought or "earned" thier status iteams, I am looking at it from the RAW Plat cost, so it does not matter HOW they got the status, infact I am only giving them credit for the time it took to raise the plat to buy the iteams(wich we know is shorter then "earning" the status yourself...for the most part) Hence why I said it (at the time) takes 4x(now 8x) the effert to get a "Guild Mount" then it does to get the Warg while the warg for all intence and porposes is the exsact same mount. As far as losing guild Members = losing the SP they donated, it USED to be that way... Didn't work as guild members would hold the guilds hostage for thier XP or People would stay with guilds they where not happy with because they did not want to see the guild lose a number of levels.

ke'la

04-23-2007, 07:16 PM

Lets thow out the whole Idea of needing to be in a Lvl 60 guild to get Warbeard for a sec and take a good look at the status requirment for the mount and the history of it.The savings you get for spending the 112,500sp is 4p 30g 8s (almost the same price as the Warg wich is 50% runspeed that is right the price of the Warg is almost the same as the DISCOUNT for spending SP on the 40% runspeed horse) on the 40% runspeed horse using that figure that means that the savings on buying a 50% runspeed horse should be nearly 4 times that as the 50% runspeed horse costs nearly 4 times the SP wich means that the SAVINGS should be 17p 20g 32s wich means to get a 50% runspeed horse WITHOUT using SP it should cost you 31p 56g 72s, granted the Warbeard does have some buffs(that most don't use because fighting on a mount is a PITA) so lets knock 10pp off it and call it 21p 56g 72s, oh and there is a SHORT quest so lets knock off another 2p for that and call it 19p 56g 72s. There at that cost the Warg is now inline with the other mounts of the game(other then the Carpet wich should be brought inline as well (like either Nerfing it to ~35% or making it cost ~3p or so as it is a Far tougher quest then the Warg Quest.).Oh and to those saying, Just because its the (barly) Second Best mount out there and can be gotten by anyone with 5p and is lvl 55 or higher(a lvl 55 can take a lvl 61 quest) does not mean that everyone will be riding it...has not been paying attention as nearly everyone that can not get a 48 or 50% mount know(and is not a class with runspeed buffs) is on a DoF Carpet, so yes as this mount is the Cheapest and easiest mount to get in game it will be nearly everyone's mount.::EDIT::added the underlined text

Azeekel

04-23-2007, 07:20 PM

Troubs FTW!!!

Cocytus

04-23-2007, 07:56 PM

I find it funny that none of the people that want the warg nerfed in one way or another are talking about nerfing class runspeed stuf, or about how the current 50% mounts cost less than the 48% Nightmare/Mistrunner <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Thantoes

04-23-2007, 08:12 PM

<blockquote><a href="mailto:Gungo@Crushbone" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Gungo@Crushbone</a> wrote: <blockquote>Its not about prestige its not about being uber its EFFORT vs reward. The simple fact is this horse is slap in the face to everyone who put in effort to get a lvl 60 mount. Personal status, guilds status 3x the coin value make every single other mount absolete. i am going to list why this is VERY bad idea to increase the new mount speed to 50%. Purchasable mounts in eq2- Steppes Pony, Parade Steppes Pony, Halasian Draft Horse, and Parade Halasian Draft Horse- 24% run speed Regular Price: 2 platinum, 45 gold, 76 silver Guild Discount: 52,500 status, 1 platinum, 38 gold, 42 silver (Guild Level: 15) Karana Planes Rider, Parade Karana Plainsrider, Misty Mustang, Parade Misty Mustang- 32% run speed Regular Price: 3 platinum, 68 gold, 64 silver Guild Discount: 80,000 status, 2 platinum, 7 gold, 36 silver (Guild Level: 20) Elder Charger, Parade Elder Charger, Rujarkian Hillsrunner, Parade Rujarkian Hillsrunner-40% Regular Price: 9 platinum, 83 gold, 4 silver Guild Discount: 112,500 status, 5 platinum, 52 gold, 96 silver (Guild Level: 25)Spirit Steed,Majdul Enchanted scroll- 48% Runspeed Price: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80 gold (Guild Level 30) Court Faction Horses: The following horses now require faction and quests completed to even PURCHASE. The following horses require ally (40,000+ faction) with ONE of the courts in Maj'Dul. Horses with custom saddle colors are only available from the court you have ally faction with. Rujarkiak Destrier, Dervish Destrier- 40% runspeed and 4.7 to slash, crush, peirce, and focus Regular Price: 14platinum Guild Discount: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80g (Guild Level: 35) Nightmare, Mistrunner- 48% Runspeed and 300 to all magic resists Price: 400,000 status, 19 platinum, 20 gold, 1 copper (Guild Level 40)War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)In this one change EVERY SINGLE GUILD REWARD HORSE is absolutley useless. Not only does the new quest mount look different. It is now as fast if not faster, cheaper and takes less time and effort required. All guild mounts are completely obsolete with this change. Horses need to be reevaluted in general or this mount needs to be reduced to 45% at the MOST, just above the OTHER free mount quest.P.s. The above prices does not even reflect the time necessary to level a guild to the appropriate level OR the time required to build enough personal faction. The new mount is a 5plat 50% runspeed 10 min quest mount and it doesnt add up. Any and all form of mount balance went out the window with this change. </blockquote>Slap in the face to the GUILD? What about those like me? I was in a guild that was going to raiding- they were around lvl 49? 50? me and a few other disagreed on how the leaders were going about it - they kicked us, so we started a new guild -I was with that guild up to lvl 51/52 had contributed approx 250k+ Guild status, was privy to officer forums and chat (but GL's hubby thought I wasn't good enough to be one even though they had me listed under "Need an Officer" IMHO he was just a Arragent, Egotistical, self described pain in the [Removed for Content] Know-it-all --but I digress) An officer that had been gone for several months came back and read the ONE post I had made in several months and booted me while I was off-line. Where is MY reward? After helping make a guild- Spend ALL that effort into getting the guild lvled up and WHAM- no more high lvl guild perks for me NOR the ability to see the lvl 60 mounts/status items.. Don't I deserve Something?? I think I do.. </blockquote>

ke'la

04-23-2007, 08:16 PM

<cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote>I find it funny that none of the people that want the warg nerfed in one way or another are talking about nerfing class runspeed stuf, or about how the current 50% mounts cost less than the 48% Nightmare/Mistrunner <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> I am not talking about the runspeed buffs because they are a Seperate thing and are earned as part of your class progression(and spending AAs to boost it makes you weaker then someone who did not spend those AAs) and I am not talking about the 48% mount being "cheaper" then the 50% mount because I am not in (nor have I ever been in) a lvl 60 guild and that does not effect me, however a) seeing wargs everywhere does and b) the fact that the 5p warg is far better and half the price of my 40%(non-guild horse) means that the Warg is out of line with every other mount ingame(save the Carpet wich IMO should be brought inline). I have NO PROBLEM with a Non-guild 50% runspeed mount my problem is that (consitering the extreem ease of the quest) it should be priced equivilantly to every other mount(save carpet wich should be changed) in the game.

ke'la

04-23-2007, 08:28 PM

<cite>Thantoes wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote><a href="mailto:Gungo@Crushbone" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Gungo@Crushbone</a> wrote: <blockquote>Its not about prestige its not about being uber its EFFORT vs reward. The simple fact is this horse is slap in the face to everyone who put in effort to get a lvl 60 mount. Personal status, guilds status 3x the coin value make every single other mount absolete. i am going to list why this is VERY bad idea to increase the new mount speed to 50%. Purchasable mounts in eq2- Steppes Pony, Parade Steppes Pony, Halasian Draft Horse, and Parade Halasian Draft Horse- 24% run speed Regular Price: 2 platinum, 45 gold, 76 silver Guild Discount: 52,500 status, 1 platinum, 38 gold, 42 silver (Guild Level: 15) Karana Planes Rider, Parade Karana Plainsrider, Misty Mustang, Parade Misty Mustang- 32% run speed Regular Price: 3 platinum, 68 gold, 64 silver Guild Discount: 80,000 status, 2 platinum, 7 gold, 36 silver (Guild Level: 20) Elder Charger, Parade Elder Charger, Rujarkian Hillsrunner, Parade Rujarkian Hillsrunner-40% Regular Price: 9 platinum, 83 gold, 4 silver Guild Discount: 112,500 status, 5 platinum, 52 gold, 96 silver (Guild Level: 25)Spirit Steed,Majdul Enchanted scroll- 48% Runspeed Price: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80 gold (Guild Level 30) Court Faction Horses: The following horses now require faction and quests completed to even PURCHASE. The following horses require ally (40,000+ faction) with ONE of the courts in Maj'Dul. Horses with custom saddle colors are only available from the court you have ally faction with. Rujarkiak Destrier, Dervish Destrier- 40% runspeed and 4.7 to slash, crush, peirce, and focus Regular Price: 14platinum Guild Discount: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80g (Guild Level: 35) Nightmare, Mistrunner- 48% Runspeed and 300 to all magic resists Price: 400,000 status, 19 platinum, 20 gold, 1 copper (Guild Level 40)War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver (Guild level 60)In this one change EVERY SINGLE GUILD REWARD HORSE is absolutley useless. Not only does the new quest mount look different. It is now as fast if not faster, cheaper and takes less time and effort required. All guild mounts are completely obsolete with this change. Horses need to be reevaluted in general or this mount needs to be reduced to 45% at the MOST, just above the OTHER free mount quest.P.s. The above prices does not even reflect the time necessary to level a guild to the appropriate level OR the time required to build enough personal faction. The new mount is a 5plat 50% runspeed 10 min quest mount and it doesnt add up. Any and all form of mount balance went out the window with this change. </blockquote>Slap in the face to the GUILD? What about those like me? I was in a guild that was going to raiding- they were around lvl 49? 50? me and a few other disagreed on how the leaders were going about it - they kicked us, so we started a new guild -I was with that guild up to lvl 51/52 had contributed approx 250k+ Guild status, was privy to officer forums and chat (but GL's hubby thought I wasn't good enough to be one even though they had me listed under "Need an Officer" IMHO he was just a Arragent, Egotistical, self described pain in the [Removed for Content] Know-it-all --but I digress) An officer that had been gone for several months came back and read the ONE post I had made in several months and booted me while I was off-line. Where is MY reward? After helping make a guild- Spend ALL that effort into getting the guild lvled up and WHAM- no more high lvl guild perks for me NOR the ability to see the lvl 60 mounts/status items.. Don't I deserve Something?? I think I do.. </blockquote> </blockquote>Thantoes read my reply above yours, I don't have a problem with a mount nearly as good as the Guild lvl 60 mount being available to all. My issue is that they are (just like with the carpet) adding a mount into the game that has a 50% runspeed for 5pp and a very simple (10min) quest, when the 40% runspeed NON GUILD mount is nearly Twice the price, heck the 32% mount is only 1p 31g 36s cheaper then it. If this mount after the quest was priced around 19p or at a 40% runspeed at 7p(again knocking 2p off the 40% horse for doing a 10min quest) I would not have a problem, but its not as such I have a problem.

Hellswrath

04-23-2007, 09:56 PM

I am still a proponent of the wargs being >40% runspeed and less than 10 plat. I think it was a great idea to listen to us for once and fix a very obvious error in effort vs reward. I could even agree that 50% runspeed on the warg isn't a bad idea at all.However, if they do send this live then they need to fix the guild itemization. Period. The stat buff that comes from the lvl 60 guild horse is laughable. This does not justify the effort in leveling a guild to 60. So all the people who based their arguments off that extra buff on the horses should sit down and think how useless it really is.Guild rewards need a revamp. I think basing it off personal status contributed seems like a good idea at first, but then you consider that more goes into a guild than writs. I value the guildies I have that craft tons of free food/drink/spells/armor/etc. just as highly as those who do a disgusting amount of writs and even the person who runs and finances our guild bank. These people all put effort into working like a team to achieve a goal. I don't think some of the team members should be punished because of the role they had in helping us reach 60. So there goes that idea.While I agree that other games do not offer any concrete rewards for guild level, I am not playing them. I play this game for a reason. I enjoy the teamwork that we have put in to reach for guild level 60. I love seeing a useful reward becoming available to us because of our hard work and knowing that we earned it. Let's not destroy one of the best things about this game.Again, I don't mind seeing the warg stay at 50%. However, if it does, revamp guild rewards.

Ratslave

04-24-2007, 12:16 AM

I love the idea they are putting in a new type of mount. Now about it being faster then the guild mounts ....who cares!!! I didnt help level your guild for the mount. It be kool to run around on and give they people who not in guild something good. Not everything changed in the game needs to benfit the guilds. I think the current guild rewards suck and need to be worked on. Thanks Dev for and new mount and uping it spend, cant wait to see more mounts on the way.

Gargamel

04-24-2007, 12:35 AM

I'm just wondering when I'll get the 15plat refund from the 20plat 48% speed horse I bought...And don't give me the 'status' BS... I bought it so I could save time of running here to there, doing quests, running writs, getting to raid meeting spots.Guild argument aside, how in the hell is that fair? 15 PLAT (enough for at least 2 T7 master spells) totally wasted.Those solo'ers that are arguing that guilds and guild level should not be necessary... please just try to tell me that 15 plat is nothing to just get screwed out of. Seriously....

Guldor

04-24-2007, 02:13 AM

i can understand why some people are angry that the mount only cost 5p. but this mount is the only chance fpr the not so rich players to get something better than the carper. even if i would be in a lvl 60 guild i would never be able to buy a good horse with stats. i just dont got the time to go harvesting, tradeskilling or farming to ear money. the time i got i spent on raiding cause its the most fun for me. this mount aims at the casual players so they can get a little faster without stats. let those players get soemthing too. the game is not only about high lvl guild and high end raiding.

StormQueen

04-24-2007, 02:20 AM

<cite>Gargamel wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm just wondering when I'll get the 15plat refund from the 20plat 48% speed horse I bought...And don't give me the 'status' BS... I bought it so I could save time of running here to there, doing quests, running writs, getting to raid meeting spots.Guild argument aside, how in the hell is that fair? 15 PLAT (enough for at least 2 T7 master spells) totally wasted.Those solo'ers that are arguing that guilds and guild level should not be necessary... please just try to tell me that 15 plat is nothing to just get screwed out of. Seriously....</blockquote> What are you talking about? Take the horse whistle BACK TO THE NPC you bought it from. You will get most of the plat (not all) in refund when you sell it.

Arethu

04-24-2007, 02:27 AM

I want my money back!!!! I paid almost 15Plat and a lot of status points to buy my +50% speed Horse. Without mention of how hard we worked to get our guild to level 60. I want MY MONEY, MY STATUS POINTS back. Also i want some kind of compensation for losing my time getting my guild to level 60. Then I will buy a EASY TO GET AND CHEAP +50% speed horse. <hr />THANKS SOE DEV'S FOR TRYING RUINED THE GUILD CONCEPT !

Arethu

04-24-2007, 02:38 AM

Sinister wrote : i can understand why some people are angry that the mount only cost 5p. but this mount is the only chance fpr the not so rich players to get something better than the carper. even if i would be in a lvl 60 guild i would never be able to buy a good horse with stats. i just dont got the time to go harvesting, tradeskilling or farming to ear money. the time i got i spent on raiding cause its the most fun for me. this mount aims at the casual players so they can get a little faster without stats. let those players get soemthing too. the game is not only about high lvl guild and high end raiding. <hr /> Money, status and guild level = EFFORT AND TIME EXPENDED. So, I had expended hours playing, paying mender, in pick up groups, crafting, questing doing city tasks to have access to a in-game better content. Now that we did it, SOE dev's came with this new EASY TO GET AND CHEAP mount (with cool looking btw) to anyone!!! It is an insult to whoever expended time playing. That is not funny! Good for any casual player or lazy guilds, of course, but isn't funny for me! Laugh it off...

Louis_M

04-24-2007, 04:04 AM

you know what its time to stop the complaining because something is cheaper and easier to get then something you have...its disgusting..cause all your arguments are based on how hard it was to hit guild lvl 60 and how bad the mounts are for reaching guild lvl 60 but look at what you really got..a lot of experiance hopefully some good money probably several titles but you know what is really bad is everyone one of you make it sound like your the only one who lvled the guild your in. last i checked most Guilds are a group of licke minded people that get to gether to play and have fun doing quests or hanging out. i am not in a lvl 60 guild and i don't plan to leave mine just so i can be in one am i unhappy with the new mount.. NO i am upset with the fact that the horse i bought for 10p and no status can only be resold for some status points which i don't need and 3p and change.. remember not everyone is in a guild no one should be forced into a guild just so they can get a faster mount then the carpet which is pretty bad as the final named is severely underconed. so keep complaining i am sure like always sooner or later soe wil nerf the new mount just to shut you up like they have done in the past

willnotuse

04-24-2007, 04:14 AM

I think what folks will see happening is indeed a revamp of guild rewards and most definitely the speed on the horses as it stands now. Why? Competition against other games. They want to see this game be successful. They want to see this game live up to the legacy that is EQ1. I would not be surprised if the horses that you see at the stables increase in speed. The new mount is a great addition to the game and a hint of things to come. One should be willing to accept that it points at a new direction that includes faster, easier, and more stylish transportation in the game.

Wingrider01

04-24-2007, 04:27 AM

Kri

04-24-2007, 05:06 AM

Hosania@Oasis wrote: <blockquote>I want my money back!!!! I paid almost 15Plat and a lot of status points to buy my +50% speed Horse. Without mention of how hard we worked to get our guild to level 60. I want MY MONEY, MY STATUS POINTS back. Also i want some kind of compensation for losing my time getting my guild to level 60. Then I will buy a EASY TO GET AND CHEAP +50% speed horse. <hr />THANKS SOE DEV'S FOR TRYING RUINED THE GUILD CONCEPT ! </blockquote>You really need to get off your high horses (no pun intended). And lose the caps <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />The time I spend playing this game is worth just as much as your time. No one forced you to level the guild. And if anyone did, they are the ones who should compensate you for missing out on real life. I have probably done just as many writs and HQs as you but will never see guild level 60 because I like our small, family style guild. Being in a level 60 guild does not make you special. You have spent your time levelling a guild to 60. I have spent it, first as an officer of a large guild and then as the leader of a guild made up from a great group of friends. Different strokes for different folks. Point is, your time is not wasted unless you had a terrible time levelling the guild and you surely can't blame that on the SOE Devs. If your idea of a guild concept only revolves around a horse, then I can understand you being upset. But really, is there nothing more to a guild than a horse?I too would like to see a revamp of guild rewards, but even more so, of guilds in general. Guild housing, status quests doable by a single group, more rewards based on individual status rather than guild levels, etc.

PlageuReaver

04-24-2007, 05:17 AM

I feel sad that people are making this much fuss something as silly as a mount...I'm getting that warg mount no mather if its 32,40,48 or 50% runspeed. It looks awesome and I want one!Devs stop listening to these silly people and go back to making a great game. Thanks for the new mounts /cheer!Feedback about the game is something that is crucial, but people making this much fuss about how much runspeed mounts should have is plain stupit, and a waste of the devs time.Guild lvl rewards used to be silly, and after a lot of comments they added special (and awesome looking) mounts for them to get. Having these mounts available is PROOF of the guilds commitment and dedication to work on improving the guild. Once/If guild halls get added, I'm sure the guild level will be involved with how big and wich feats will be available. Untill that time live with the fact that you got the scoop for 50% mounts and that they will now most probably become available for the general public.

daboa

04-24-2007, 05:38 AM

wow people really can find anything to complain about, who really cares? its cool looking it runs faster then walking and it costs money plus doing a quest. How is the dif then it looks the same it require guild lvl 60 and it runs faster then walking and it set you back 5p for haveing to sell it back to vendor? You get full status back for selling the horse back and you lose average 4 to 5p. Plus honestly the only reason your guild got lvl 60 was to get the horse? i wont believe that in 100years. Besides i am sure YOU did ALL the work to get your guild to lvl 60. No one else in the guild helped at all. really who wants to be guilded with people like that?

onimarox

04-24-2007, 05:44 AM

i dont know i find that releasing a mount that is faster then my rare raid drop from DT is kinda dumb. I worked hard to get my hover platform and now its getting replaced by some quest everyone and their little brother can do what kinda crap is that? drop the run speed please!

onimarox

04-24-2007, 05:46 AM

<cite>daboa wrote:</cite><blockquote>wow people really can find anything to complain about, who really cares? its cool looking it runs faster then walking and it costs money plus doing a quest. How is the dif then it looks the same it require guild lvl 60 and it runs faster then walking and it set you back 5p for haveing to sell it back to vendor? You get full status back for selling the horse back and you lose average 4 to 5p. Plus honestly the only reason your guild got lvl 60 was to get the horse? i wont believe that in 100years. Besides i am sure YOU did ALL the work to get your guild to lvl 60. No one else in the guild helped at all. really who wants to be guilded with people like that?</blockquote> So if someone sells their horse back and buys this mount they get their full SP back -5p then spends 5p + quest to get the mount that u only spend 5p for how is that fair?

PlageuReaver

04-24-2007, 05:50 AM

<cite>onimarox wrote:</cite><blockquote>i dont know i find that releasing a mount that is faster then my rare raid drop from DT is kinda dumb. I worked hard to get my hover platform and now its getting replaced by some quest everyone and their little brother can do what kinda crap is that? drop the run speed please!</blockquote> Youre entire raidforce worked for that mount, you just won the auction for it.Also, you have a UNIQUE looking mount wich not alot of people have. (I have seen less then 25 people hovering around with it on SP server) That alone should feel as an acomplishment.

daboa

04-24-2007, 06:24 AM

I have 4 lvl 70, 2 of which have nightmares 2 of which have guild lvl 60 horse and i am gonna get wargs for 3 of my chars just to have em, so i am out 23px2 and 20px1 and i think its fair. ARGUE WITH THAT huh huh huh <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I woulda got the dang things for each char if they cost 10p and were 40% speed there SWEET in my opninion. My guild got 60 for the cloaks and the fact we wanted to be 60 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> horses are cool but most of us wanted cooler mounts from EoF, now we have em, where excited and no one is complaining why the hell did we get guild lvl 60, it was such a waste of our time. to answer your question yes that IS fair becuase A. you DO NOT HAVE to buy the warg. B. half the population is running around with carpets and i am sick of waiting for slow [Removed for Content] people on carpets to get to places i am going <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> C. There is some stupid quote from some dumb [Removed for Content] in history that dident know what he was talking about, that stated "life isent fair" and i have to add to that, why waste your time complaining about it?

Hellswrath

04-24-2007, 06:38 AM

<cite>willnotuse wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think what folks will see happening is indeed a revamp of guild rewards and most definitely the speed on the horses as it stands now. Why? Competition against other games. They want to see this game be successful. They want to see this game live up to the legacy that is EQ1. I would not be surprised if the horses that you see at the stables increase in speed. The new mount is a great addition to the game and a hint of things to come. One should be willing to accept that it points at a new direction that includes faster, easier, and more stylish transportation in the game. </blockquote> I would gladly believe this if Grimwell hadn't had to browbeat the devs into listening to us for once. The downside is that it brought to light the need for a revamp of guild rewards that has been needed for some time now. Now it has gone from being a needed revamp to being a controversy about itemization.I applaud Grimwell's effort. I'm thrilled the devs listened to us for a change. I LOVE that they finally put in another non-horse mount.And if they follow this up with a well thought out revamp on guild rewards, then I will think this was a good move. But if they wait until the expansion for this revamp, then they will be facing continued criticism. They really should have revamped guild rewards, and then put these mounts in. Or better yet, just put in wargs with the same speed/stats/guildrequirements as guild horses and added a 5 plat 45% runspeed version available to all players.But, as many have pointed out, the biggest issue here is the guild rewards system.

willnotuse

04-24-2007, 07:14 AM

Why not make it a better tiered speed system for the horses? Tier 1: 5% speed increase. Cost 25s Tier 2: 15% speed increase. Cost 50g Tier 3: 25% speed increase. Cost 1p50g Tier 4: 35% speed increase. Cost 2p50g. Include DoF carpet. Tier 5: 45% speed increase. Cost 5p. Include EoF worg. Tier 6: 55% speed increase. Cost 10p. Include DT hover platform. Tier 7: 65% speed increase. Cost 20p. Include future fabled quest mount. Tier 8: 75% speed increase. Cost 40p

selch

04-24-2007, 07:17 AM

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>Its not about prestige its not about being uber its EFFORT vs reward. The simple fact is this horse is slap in the face to everyone who put in effort to get a lvl 60 mount.</blockquote> Blah blah.. Same elitist attitudes everywhere. I have possibly did more effort than any L60 guild member in Personal status wise, I can buy er.. lets see... 10x L60 mounts after I spent for my empty 5 room houses and other city purchases. Do you buy your horse for guild? No, you buy it for yourself, there goes in the Personal Status reward, not guild contribution reward. Why would someone get more "personal" reward than me, just because with joining a L60 guild ? Stop this "Risk/Effort vs Reward" gum, it got old and sour already being used since beginning of massive multi-player games and it does not work anymore at 21st century. Developers already pampered those elitists enough by now. While you are busy whining here, I'm sure Developers already put a new fabled mount to your fabled "raids" for your "fabled" guild.

Hellswrath

04-24-2007, 07:33 AM

<cite>selch wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>Its not about prestige its not about being uber its EFFORT vs reward. The simple fact is this horse is slap in the face to everyone who put in effort to get a lvl 60 mount.</blockquote> Blah blah.. Same elitist attitudes everywhere. I have possibly did more effort than any L60 guild member in Personal status wise, I can buy er.. lets see... 10x L60 mounts after I spent for my empty 5 room houses and other city purchases. Do you buy your horse for guild? No, you buy it for yourself, there goes in the Personal Status reward, not guild contribution reward. Why would someone get more "personal" reward than me, just because with joining a L60 guild ? Stop this "Risk/Effort vs Reward" gum, it got old and sour already being used since beginning of massive multi-player games and it does not work anymore at 21st century. Developers already pampered those elitists enough by now. </blockquote> As soon as you can show me the "guild contribution rewards", then I will consider what I understood of your post to be valid, and not just high level guild bashing. Oh, and MMOs haven't been around long enough to deserve references to the current century.Either put forth useful suggestions, or go troll elsewhere and leave this thread for people who would like to see a good solution implemented.

selch

04-24-2007, 07:38 AM

Hellswrath@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote><cite>selch wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>Its not about prestige its not about being uber its EFFORT vs reward. The simple fact is this horse is slap in the face to everyone who put in effort to get a lvl 60 mount.</blockquote> Blah blah.. Same elitist attitudes everywhere. I have possibly did more effort than any L60 guild member in Personal status wise, I can buy er.. lets see... 10x L60 mounts after I spent for my empty 5 room houses and other city purchases. Do you buy your horse for guild? No, you buy it for yourself, there goes in the Personal Status reward, not guild contribution reward. Why would someone get more "personal" reward than me, just because with joining a L60 guild ? Stop this "Risk/Effort vs Reward" gum, it got old and sour already being used since beginning of massive multi-player games and it does not work anymore at 21st century. Developers already pampered those elitists enough by now. </blockquote> As soon as you can show me the "guild contribution rewards", then I will consider what I understood of your post to be valid, and not just high level guild bashing. Oh, and MMOs haven't been around long enough to deserve references to the current century.Either put forth useful suggestions, or go troll elsewhere and leave this thread for people who would like to see a good solution implemented.</blockquote>MMO's were here since long before you were born, starting with MUDs (them not being 3D does not meant they were not MMO's) and as for guild contribution , guild bank slots are rewards, guild cloak designs are rewards, Ability to gather help much faster are rewards, ability to gather more organized raids are rewards, rewards from raids are guild rewards.There is no problem here to solve. It is you who does not like it. Beside thread is "New Mount Info", not something else.

selch

04-24-2007, 07:44 AM

As a feedback to art team, warg might look much better, if you bend their neck to down towards floor and faces up towards, like an attacking preadator wolf <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Hellswrath

04-24-2007, 08:01 AM

<cite>selch wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hellswrath@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote><cite>selch wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>Its not about prestige its not about being uber its EFFORT vs reward. The simple fact is this horse is slap in the face to everyone who put in effort to get a lvl 60 mount.</blockquote> Blah blah.. Same elitist attitudes everywhere. I have possibly did more effort than any L60 guild member in Personal status wise, I can buy er.. lets see... 10x L60 mounts after I spent for my empty 5 room houses and other city purchases. Do you buy your horse for guild? No, you buy it for yourself, there goes in the Personal Status reward, not guild contribution reward. Why would someone get more "personal" reward than me, just because with joining a L60 guild ? Stop this "Risk/Effort vs Reward" gum, it got old and sour already being used since beginning of massive multi-player games and it does not work anymore at 21st century. Developers already pampered those elitists enough by now. </blockquote> As soon as you can show me the "guild contribution rewards", then I will consider what I understood of your post to be valid, and not just high level guild bashing. Oh, and MMOs haven't been around long enough to deserve references to the current century.Either put forth useful suggestions, or go troll elsewhere and leave this thread for people who would like to see a good solution implemented.</blockquote>MMO's were here since long before you were born, starting with MUDs (them not being 3D does not meant they were not MMO's) and as for guild contribution , guild bank slots are rewards, guild cloak designs are rewards...There is no problem here to solve. It is you who does not like it. Beside thread is "New Mount Info", not something else.</blockquote>ROFL, like you have any idea how old I am for starters. Your attempt to be patronizing with the mention of 3d graphics as though I were a teenager puts you squarely into the category of "elitist" that you are so vehemently against. I have been alive more than long enough to see the rise of MUDs, thank you very much. And where were the elitist high level guilds in MUDs? Elitist, maybe, but I don't remember any systems for leveling a guild in any MUDs. Even if you add the MUDs in, which do not equate to modern MMOs with regards to leveling a guild, MMOs have STILL not been around long enough to merit having to seperate which CENTURY we are currently in.As far as guild contribution rewards, the guild bank slots and guild cloaks have nothing to do with how much status you have contributed to a guild. And you think those 2 things are enough reward for a group of people who have worked hard enough to hit lvl 60 together? Do I think this is the only reason to level a guild? Of course not. But it would be nice to not trivialize the only gameplay reward that has been established for a feat such as this.I agree that this thread is about new mount info. And this discussion is feedback based on that particular info. Otherwise, there would be 2 posts here. One asking for info, and the other detailing the new mounts. Hmm. Seems like, based on the concept of the In Testing Feedback forum, this might just be the appropriate place to discuss such changes.So 16 pages of debate over possible changes and ideas for revamps of guild rewards amounts to no problem? Maybe you should try taking an objective view for half a second and reevaluate that particular comment. Perhaps you have some ideas in mind to address the guild rewards itemization that several people have done an excellent job in proving is broken.

Miya111

04-24-2007, 09:09 AM

You people complain too damned much u know that. Im in a level 60 guild, we raid, weve done all the hard work to level, and u know what IM STILL EXCITED ABOUT THIS MOUNT!Get off ur friggen pedestal and enjoy some new content to the game, ive got a friggen cav horse on my toons, yippee great, I dont care, im still gonna go get the new mount cause its....something new to do! Quit ur friggen whinin, Ive done the same work u have, ive levelled a guild same as all u other people in lvl 60 guilds.Alot of people prolly JOINED a lvl 60 and didnt do jack [Removed for Content] to help them level, just joined after the fact and are here claiming the devs are sinners and personally out to get you. Heres my idea...[Removed for Content] and go play the game instead of being little forum trolls.People have the RIGHT to get a mount that can run fast, its a mode of TRANSPORTATION, NOTHING MORE!Seriously...do you people drive around in ur car and [Removed for Content] moan and complain when you see someone driving a toyota....simply cause they are going the same speed on the same road???

Iseabeil

04-24-2007, 09:44 AM

ke'la wrote: <blockquote><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote>I find it funny that none of the people that want the warg nerfed in one way or another are talking about nerfing class runspeed stuf, or about how the current 50% mounts cost less than the 48% Nightmare/Mistrunner <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> I am not talking about the runspeed buffs because they are a Seperate thing and are earned as part of your class progression(and spending AAs to boost it makes you weaker then someone who did not spend those AAs) and I am not talking about the 48% mount being "cheaper" then the 50% mount because I am not in (nor have I ever been in) a lvl 60 guild and that does not effect me, however a) seeing wargs everywhere does and b) the fact that the 5p warg is far better and half the price of my 40%(non-guild horse) means that the Warg is out of line with every other mount ingame(save the Carpet wich IMO should be brought inline). I have NO PROBLEM with a Non-guild 50% runspeed mount my problem is that (consitering the extreem ease of the quest) it should be priced equivilantly to every other mount(save carpet wich should be changed) in the game.</blockquote>Lets look at bards.. The KoS AA that increases their runspeed buff lies in the wisdom tree. The end ability of the wisdom tree is Dont kill the messenger. I cant think of any bard that would not go for this ability, wich means putting at the very least 4 points in runspeed, and with the point reqs for final ability you might as well put 8 points in it, as the only other usefull ability in that tree is allegro (how usefull is a ranged deagro attack really for a bard with low damage output as is?). This AA line, especially for raiding bards, is pretty much a must have, so how does spending those AA's make you weaker?As for classes with speed enhancments in EoF trees, at least from personal experience, the warden tree doesnt have anythin thats so wow'ish that spending points on SoW will make any real difference, as I dun play the other classes with EoF speed choises I cant really comment on those tho.

Sara

04-24-2007, 10:46 AM

As an Aussie player I'm having a good laugh at all the guilded players complaining, SoE finally gives something to the people who can't get into a higher lvl guild, or simply can't stand the guild enviroment, a break and all you guys do is cry. Hey! Wake up! Some of us have legit reasons we can't 'earn' our high lvl mounts through guilding. Know how many 'endgame' guilds I've applied for and been knocked back on because of my time zone? Every [Removed for Content] 1 on my server. I work during the week and can't sit at home on my butt to make some raid in the middle of the week at 10am my local time, so I miss out on the things you guys take for granted. And don't think this a complaint, I tried making my own guild with players in my time zone (didn't work, noone was interested) and now slowly and painfully lvl it just so I can buy faster mounts, better houses. I've been doing my bit to improve my chars, a lot more than just sit around saying how awful it is I can't find a decent lvl 60 guild to join. Well, I see this mount as an end to looking sadly at my guild level after browsing faster mounts on the vendor, a chance to be able to keep up with my US friends who are in lvl 60 guilds and always out running me lol. PLUS my mousey (sorry, ratonga) bruiser will look soooo cool on one! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 3 cheers for SoE's next update! 3 boo's for the whiney lvl 60 guild guys and girls who forget they still get bonuses on their mounts, wargs just get speed! And a small note for anyone who reads this and is in a high lvl guild that plays aussie time zones to send me a message before the free character transfers lol, getting really tired of the guilds on my own server, need a late night healer? /t me, need some late night dps? /t me, I ask to actually join the guilds always /t'ing me.. sorry, your aussie and can't raid fanatically with us, think yourself lucky we /t you when our regular raiders go to sleep. (pigs)

Gargamel

04-24-2007, 11:35 AM

Leeroy@Blackburrow wrote: <blockquote><cite>Gargamel wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm just wondering when I'll get the 15plat refund from the 20plat 48% speed horse I bought...And don't give me the 'status' BS... I bought it so I could save time of running here to there, doing quests, running writs, getting to raid meeting spots.Guild argument aside, how in the hell is that fair? 15 PLAT (enough for at least 2 T7 master spells) totally wasted.Those solo'ers that are arguing that guilds and guild level should not be necessary... please just try to tell me that 15 plat is nothing to just get screwed out of. Seriously....</blockquote> What are you talking about? Take the horse whistle BACK TO THE NPC you bought it from. You will get most of the plat (not all) in refund when you sell it.</blockquote>How about this... when you get the warg mount, you loose 5 adventure levels? I mean you'll still have the other 55 or so. Ya know... you'll keep most (not all) of it. Plus its just time spent you can just get it back... nobody is forcing you to take the mount.

Jal

04-24-2007, 12:23 PM

People need to get off their high horses (no pun intended) people arent being given the war barded mounts or extra cloak designs or the titles they are being allowed to buy a 50% mount that everyone in the game can get if they so choose. If you want to show you have a lvl 60 guild that badly buy the title and make the full cloak so people know you did all that work. Im in a level 60 guild ive helped with both the climb to 50 and 60 and i couldnt care less that people get access to a fast mount because it really means nothing. So your non guilded or lower guild level group mates can travel as fast as you? Isnt that a good thing? Enjoy the game and the fact you are part of a guild who has reached level 60 hopefully you are there for the guild not the prestige and perks.

Arethu

04-24-2007, 12:30 PM

NO dude, Peps inside test server sais the mount is now 50% speed and cost 5 plats, and also the quest to buy it took only 10-30 mins and there is no killing involved. So...Easy to get and cheap to pay... I m selling my expensive and hard to get horse <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Jal

04-24-2007, 12:36 PM

Hosania@Oasis wrote: <blockquote>NO dude, Peps inside test server sais the mount is now 50% speed and cost 5 plats, and also the quest to buy it took only 10-30 mins and there is no killing involved. So...Easy to get and cheap to pay... I m selling my expensive and hard to get horse <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>Thats your choice, im sure many will buy the warg to try it but it'll become the new carpet being common as hell. I'll be buying one alongside my nightmare to try it out.

chily

04-24-2007, 12:49 PM

for those who are in a 60 guild: Who said grats your guild is level 60 now go out and buy 20p horse right now ! .. no one <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> who loves his guild level 60 mount? those who have it, coz they know how hard it was to get it. I mean no one forced you to buy the 20p horse no one, so soe no other players no one. When your neigthbor has a bmw do run out and buy right one too? well i don't think so. If you had/have the money to buy the horse and it was worth for you to get it, coz 10p for 2% speed isn't cheap. why 10p for 2% .. level 30 mount 10p 48% speed level 60 50% speed grats on 2% more speed <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Don't hate those who love the new mount, coz buyed your horse not we. We didn't old you to buy one. who cry about the 5p you loose if you sell it? if you would betray at 70 with some masters you would loose more then 5p. tbh i wondered when we finaly get a new quested mount.

Arethu

04-24-2007, 01:00 PM

Hosania@Oasis wrote: <blockquote>I want my money back!!!! I paid almost 15Plat and a lot of status points to buy my +50% speed Horse. Without mention of how hard we worked to get our guild to level 60. I want MY MONEY, MY STATUS POINTS back. Also i want some kind of compensation for losing my time getting my guild to level 60. Then I will buy a EASY TO GET AND CHEAP +50% speed horse. <hr />THANKS SOE DEV'S FOR TRYING RUINED THE GUILD CONCEPT ! </blockquote>Shadowbreath wrote: You really need to get off your high horses (no pun intended). And lose the caps <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />The time I spend playing this game is worth just as much as your time. No one forced you to level the guild. And if anyone did, they are the ones who should compensate you for missing out on real life. I have probably done just as many writs and HQs as you but will never see guild level 60 because I like our small, family style guild. Being in a level 60 guild does not make you special. You have spent your time levelling a guild to 60. I have spent it, first as an officer of a large guild and then as the leader of a guild made up from a great group of friends. Different strokes for different folks. Point is, your time is not wasted unless you had a terrible time levelling the guild and you surely can't blame that on the SOE Devs. If your idea of a guild concept only revolves around a horse, then I can understand you being upset. But really, is there nothing more to a guild than a horse?I too would like to see a revamp of guild rewards, but even more so, of guilds in general. Guild housing, status quests doable by a single group, more rewards based on individual status rather than guild levels, etc. <hr /> Dude , you right , lets nerfed all raid zones areas and make all the mobs greenies 2x , remove all the access quests, make all the gray mobs drop ornate chests , make greens (3 arrow down) mobs drop exquisite chests. Also make unrest a soloable zone . Make all the mounts run 75% and solo quest rewards. Make all the titles, houses and guild bank space available to level 10 guilds. That way you can enjoy the game. What a silly idea of making things hard to get heh.... (sarcastic laugh) Even in Gunboud <a href="http://gunbound.ijji.com/ " target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://gunbound.ijji.com/ </a> only hard workers player get the best stuff, time/efford X reward is real principle inside of any human kind dude. Do you want it ? Then work your [Removed for Content] off to get it! <img src="http://www.christiananswers.net/spotlight/games/2004/gunbound2.jpg" border="0">