High End gear choices...which would you choose and why?

[Darien al'Staff]

<p>I have three slots that are in question:</p><p>Finger Wrist Waist</p><p><b>Finger items in question: </b>Band of Braided Vines Ring of the Four Winds Ring of Supremacy <b>Wrist items in question: </b>Hollowcell Bracer Runed Relic Circlet Bracelet of Thule</p><p><b>Waist items in question: </b>Insulated Sash Bone-Clasped Girdles</p><p> Which combination of these items would you use, and why?  (In case you're curious, yes I normally get TC, and I'm currently spec'd Agi/Wis with NO manaburn)</p>

[wckron]

RoS, Bracelet of Thule, BCG = procs, procs ,procs and did I mention more procs?

[HerzenFunia]

every item with a dmg proc has  #1 priority <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Darien al'Staff]

<p>I figured.</p><p> But then... What about the other two bracelets and other two rings?</p>

[Haciv]

<p>I'd use the proc gear on the ring / wrist but not on your waist.  I use the Insulated Sash and don't regret putting my BCG back in my inventory.  It's got more INT, ton of resists, and the 2% crit is on par with BCG dmg output (which gets resisted a lot).  Every other mage in the world uses the girdle on raid so you'll still have that nice elemental debuff on the mob.</p><p>Just my thoughts though.  I like the Insulated Sash.</p>

[Falcogen]

<p>well i have the belt of purity and unless im in a situation which aggro could be an issue ie troubless i wont ever wear it over my BCG. (has a 5% dehate effect)</p><p>Wizards are a dps class and 2% crit <span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #ff3300"><b>isnt</b></span></span> better than the bcg if you look at the proc u will find it to be your highest damage. So why wouldn't you wear it always !!</p>

[valkyrja]

I'm not sure sure I agree with you.  Sure the 2% alone probably isn't that much of a difference, but if you are building yourself for high crit percentage, it all adds up fast, and next thing you know you're at a crit rate of 20% or higher. It would be interesting to run the numbers, especially considering the amount of resists you get on the BGC.

[Haciv]

<cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well i have the belt of purity and unless im in a situation which aggro could be an issue ie troubless i wont ever wear it over my BCG. (has a 5% dehate effect)</p><p>Wizards are a dps class and 2% crit <b>isnt</b> better than the bcg if you look at the proc u will find it to be your highest damage. So why wouldn't you wear it always !!</p></blockquote><p>BCG consistantly would add 15-20 DPS to my raid totals.  I'm pretty sure that 2% crit adds about the same if not more, and the Insulated Belt has more INT / PWR / Ton of resists.</p><p>As far as BCG being the highest dmg proc item, it always seemed to be on par with Bracelet of Thule, and Orb of the Invoker give or take 0.001% though my Gloves of Sagicity surpass all of them.</p>

[Falcogen]

<cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well i have the belt of purity and unless im in a situation which aggro could be an issue ie troubless i wont ever wear it over my BCG. (has a 5% dehate effect)</p><p>Wizards are a dps class and 2% crit <span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #ff3300"><b>isnt</b></span></span> better than the bcg if you look at the proc u will find it to be your highest damage. So why wouldn't you wear it always !!</p></blockquote><p>BCG consistantly would add 15-20 DPS to my raid totals.  I'm pretty sure that 2% adds about the same if not more, and the Insulated Belt has more INT / PWR / Ton of resists.</p><p>As far as BCG being the highest dmg proc item, it always seemed to be on par with Bracelet of Thule, and Orb of the Invoker give or take 0.001% though my Gloves of Sagicity surpass all of them.</p><p>Grats on being an absolute [Removed for Content], clearly you are not a dps class and should probably never post anything that concerns dps ever again. </p><p>Check your facts before attempting to discuss a topic you have absolutely no comprehension of</p></blockquote>

[kingdeke]

Rather than starting a new thread I got a question thats related to this: Has anyone ever parsed the difference (zonewide) between bracelet of thule, wristbands of lost knowledge, and the sash of draining?

[Haciv]

<cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well i have the belt of purity and unless im in a situation which aggro could be an issue ie troubless i wont ever wear it over my BCG. (has a 5% dehate effect)</p><p>Wizards are a dps class and 2% crit <span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #ff3300"><b>isnt</b></span></span> better than the bcg if you look at the proc u will find it to be your highest damage. So why wouldn't you wear it always !!</p></blockquote><p>BCG consistantly would add 15-20 DPS to my raid totals.  I'm pretty sure that 2% crit adds about the same if not more, and the Insulated Belt has more INT / PWR / Ton of resists.</p><p>As far as BCG being the highest dmg proc item, it always seemed to be on par with Bracelet of Thule, and Orb of the Invoker give or take 0.001% though my Gloves of Sagicity surpass all of them.</p></blockquote><p>Grats on being an absolute [I cannot control my vocabulary], clearly you are not a dps class and should probably never post anything that concerns dps ever again. </p><p>Check your facts before attempting to discuss a topic you have absolutely no comprehension of. </p></blockquote><p>LOL.   Uh-oh.... someone is going to revoke my wizard license.  <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Not sure where you get off calling me a [Removed for Content] since your counter-arguement is so strong vs. mine.  Sorry you have a problem with me liking the sash over the girdle, but next time you reply to something you don't like please lay off the Carnation Instant [Removed for Content] before you open your mouth.  </p>

[HerzenFunia]

no way 2% crit is better than BCG  proc... and only 15-20 dps? how much are u parsing I wonder,  around 600? it's clearly parsing more, as well  as others items...

[valkyrja]

BGC for me, tends to add 35-40DPS per fight. 

[Haciv]

Fomka@Runnyeye wrote: <blockquote>no way 2% crit is better than BCG  proc... and only 15-20 dps? how much are u parsing I wonder,  around 600? it's clearly parsing more, as well  as others items...</blockquote><p>Zone wide, I parse from 1800 ish in MMIS to about 2000 in FTH / EH lower floors and about 2200-2400 in KoS zones when Im on top of my game.</p><p>I can honestly say that I dont see BCG proc (and land) more once in a given fight, if I am lucky... MAYBE twice.  Lets says it actually hits, and the mob is debuffed enough it hits for 1000 and it lands twice in a 1 minute fight.   Thats 2000 dmg / 60 seconds which is 33 dps at a best case scenario.  For the average scenario, it has a poor to hit % and (for me) usually hits towards the lower end of the dmg range.</p><p>With this being said, I love the Gloves of Sagicity.  Those will actually parse well for me.   Bracelet of Thule parses fair but I'd take a wrist item with the same stats as Insulated Sash to replace it.  Not sure if there is a difference in KoS proc gear vs. EoF proc gear and how well they work in EoF   /shrug</p><p>To each their own though.  I'll parse a raid tonight and see if I can get better numbers from BCG then what I had before. </p>

[HippyKnight]

<cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well i have the belt of purity and unless im in a situation which aggro could be an issue ie troubless i wont ever wear it over my BCG. (has a 5% dehate effect)</p><p>Wizards are a dps class and 2% crit <span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #ff3300"><b>isnt</b></span></span> better than the bcg if you look at the proc u will find it to be your highest damage. So why wouldn't you wear it always !!</p></blockquote><p>BCG consistantly would add 15-20 DPS to my raid totals.  I'm pretty sure that 2% crit adds about the same if not more, and the Insulated Belt has more INT / PWR / Ton of resists.</p><p>As far as BCG being the highest dmg proc item, it always seemed to be on par with Bracelet of Thule, and Orb of the Invoker give or take 0.001% though my Gloves of Sagicity surpass all of them.</p></blockquote><p>Grats on being an absolute [I cannot control my vocabulary], clearly you are not a dps class and should probably never post anything that concerns dps ever again. </p><p>Check your facts before attempting to discuss a topic you have absolutely no comprehension of. </p></blockquote><p>LOL.   Uh-oh.... someone is going to revoke my wizard license.  <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Not sure where you get off calling me a [I cannot control my vocabulary] since your counter-arguement is so strong vs. mine.  Sorry you have a problem with me liking the sash over the girdle, but next time you reply to something you don't like please lay off the Carnation Instant [I cannot control my vocabulary] before you open your mouth.  </p></blockquote><p>Haciv, yes he could have been much nicer about it and supplied a little more evidence but he's absolutely right. </p><p>Have a peek at the thread on crit%stickied in the combat forums.. </p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=353709" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=353709</a>  </p><p>Basically each %pt of crit adds about 0.45% dmg .. or more strictly will add 0.45% dmg to everything but manaburn protoferno and forge of ro (afaik). So if you are saying that you are doing 1800dps then 2% crit will boost that by about 0.9% (being generous) which is 16.2dps. I think a 30-35 dps boost from the BCG dmg proc alone is probably about right. Also i dont think the debuff, small though it is, shold be sniffed at either. Considering the difference in dmg between a fully debuffed mob and non-debuffed mobs is somewhere around 50% I wouldnt be suprised if the BCG debuff proc might net you (and all others doing elemental dmg) possibly an extra percentage point over the 30-35dps, especially when aoe'ing. </p><p>Hope that helps a bit. </p>

[Haciv]

<cite>HippyKnight wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>well i have the belt of purity and unless im in a situation which aggro could be an issue ie troubless i wont ever wear it over my BCG. (has a 5% dehate effect)</p><p>Wizards are a dps class and 2% crit <span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #ff3300"><b>isnt</b></span></span> better than the bcg if you look at the proc u will find it to be your highest damage. So why wouldn't you wear it always !!</p></blockquote><p>BCG consistantly would add 15-20 DPS to my raid totals.  I'm pretty sure that 2% crit adds about the same if not more, and the Insulated Belt has more INT / PWR / Ton of resists.</p><p>As far as BCG being the highest dmg proc item, it always seemed to be on par with Bracelet of Thule, and Orb of the Invoker give or take 0.001% though my Gloves of Sagicity surpass all of them.</p></blockquote><p>Grats on being an absolute [I cannot control my vocabulary], clearly you are not a dps class and should probably never post anything that concerns dps ever again. </p><p>Check your facts before attempting to discuss a topic you have absolutely no comprehension of. </p></blockquote><p>LOL.   Uh-oh.... someone is going to revoke my wizard license.  <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Not sure where you get off calling me a [I cannot control my vocabulary] since your counter-arguement is so strong vs. mine.  Sorry you have a problem with me liking the sash over the girdle, but next time you reply to something you don't like please lay off the Carnation Instant [I cannot control my vocabulary] before you open your mouth.  </p></blockquote><p>Haciv, yes he could have been much nicer about it and supplied a little more evidence but he's absolutely right. </p><p>Have a peek at the thread on crit%stickied in the combat forums.. </p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=353709" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=353709</a>  </p><p>Basically each %pt of crit adds about 0.45% dmg .. or more strictly will add 0.45% dmg to everything but manaburn protoferno and forge of ro (afaik). So if you are saying that you are doing 1800dps then 2% crit will boost that by about 0.9% (being generous) which is 16.2dps. I think a 30-35 dps boost from the BCG dmg proc alone is probably about right. Also i dont think the debuff, small though it is, shold be sniffed at either. Considering the difference in dmg between a fully debuffed mob and non-debuffed mobs is somewhere around 50% I wouldnt be suprised if the BCG debuff proc might net you (and all others doing elemental dmg) possibly an extra percentage point over the 30-35dps, especially when aoe'ing. </p><p>Hope that helps a bit. </p></blockquote><p>That's a good link for sure.  Good info in there. </p><p>I think I'm still going to stick with the Insulated Sash though.  The DPS difference (in either better or worse) is just not enough for me to lose sleep over.  The debuff from BGC is VERY nice, but to my knowledge it does not stack multiple times like other debuffs.  Most every mage has BCG so the debuff is pretty much permanately on any mob without me using it.</p><p>The resists as well as added INT and HP/Power is also another driving factor on why I choose the sash.   The ability to adorn the sash is value added too.   +5 disruption / +5 subjugation is nothing to sneeze at.</p><p>I used BCG for a portion of tonight and it was hitting on average for about 1000.  landed 90% / resisted 10%.  It proc'd 40 times, landed 36 and accounted for 35,667 over the course of 30:31 of combat.    That is 19.49 DPS.   Mostly single target fights in EH.  I understand this is a VERY small sample, but was a quick test.</p><p>Just my experience though.   Individual results may vary.</p>

[Falcogen]

<p>Lol lol</p><p>So after someone could be bothered to go to the trouble to even explain why the bcg is a better choice, you still decided to opt out.</p><p>Well done sir</p>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Lol lol</p><p>So after someone could be bothered to go to the trouble to even explain why the bcg is a better choice, you still decided to opt out.</p><p>Well done sir</p></blockquote><p> The thing is people dont take into account the debuff % from bcg.</p><p>its like 3% more damage from the debuff and fewer resists.</p><p>-</p><p>I'm not going to chastize the guy for picking what they want to wear, what ever floats your boat i guess, but clearly BCG is the better choice, that shouldn't be argued over.</p>

[Haciv]

<cite>IllusiveThoughts wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Lol lol</p><p>So after someone could be bothered to go to the trouble to even explain why the bcg is a better choice, you still decided to opt out.</p><p>Well done sir</p></blockquote><p> The thing is people dont take into account the debuff % from bcg.</p><p>its like 3% more damage from the debuff and fewer resists.</p><p>-</p><p>I'm not going to chastize the guy for picking what they want to wear, what ever floats your boat i guess, but clearly BCG is the better choice, that shouldn't be argued over.</p></blockquote><p>Well, I appreciate not getting repeat-flamed on the topic.  Just 1 quick question from my end.  I thought I knew the answer but maybe I do not. </p><p>If 5 mages on the raid have BCG, and they all proc on the same mob, will the beduff stack 5 times? </p>

[Darien al'Staff]

No, I don't believe they stack.

[IllusiveThoughts]

Beeglin@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>No, I don't believe they stack. </blockquote><p> correct</p><p>neither does 2 wizards casting rending icicles, only the highest debuff # takes precedence. (the dot dmg stacks)</p><p>the advantage to having 5 mages with it comes in ae situations, and also ensureing the proc goes off as early as possible and stays on for the fight.</p>

[Haciv]

Beeglin@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>No, I don't believe they stack. </blockquote>Which is exactly why I don't care about about the debuff portion of the belt.  With all the other raid members using the girdle, I get no added debuff bonus from using it.

[Falcogen]

No your right your right the debuff doesn't stack but i guess the 1000dmg proc is useless too

[Haciv]

<cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote>No your right your right the debuff doesn't stack but i guess the 1000dmg proc is useless too</blockquote><p>The 2% chance to randomly crit hit a 25K Ice Nova vs. non crit 19K Ice Nova, Fusion for 35K vs. 27K, and Ball of Lava hit for 8K vs. 6K seems to outwiegh a random 5% (more like 4% chance when you factor in its resist rate) chance to proc 1,000 damage.  </p><p>Given that I can fire off Ice Nova 1.8 / min and on average BCG will trigger 1.8 / min, hopefully you can see where I am coming from especially when you factor in all the other spells.</p><p>Crits benifit 1 type of class the most.  Slow attack / high hit classes.   Wizard and Ranger benifit the most from small % crit bonuses IMHO.  </p>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote>No your right your right the debuff doesn't stack but i guess the 1000dmg proc is useless too</blockquote><p>The 2% chance to randomly crit hit a 25K Ice Nova vs. non crit 19K Ice Nova, Fusion for 35K vs. 27K, and Ball of Lava hit for 8K vs. 6K seems to outwiegh a random 5% (more like 4% chance when you factor in its resist rate) chance to proc 1,000 damage.  </p><p>Given that I can fire off Ice Nova 1.8 / min and on average BCG will trigger 1.8 / min, hopefully you can see where I am coming from especially when you factor in all the other spells.</p><p>Crits benifit 1 type of class the most.  Slow attack / high hit classes.   Wizard and Ranger benifit the most from small % crit bonuses IMHO.  </p></blockquote><p>According to your math</p><p>25K ice nova vs 19K = 6k extra 2% of the time 2x per min</p><p>thats a whoping 240 damage per minute from ice nova (and its not guaranteed that ice nova will always hit for 25k on a crit or 19K on a non crit) your talking best case senario.</p><p>at any rate crit mods DO scale with the amount of DPS that you can pump out, doing 2k dps </p><p>2% crit "over time" grants you a whoppin 18 more dps "over time" @ 2k dps.</p><p>at that rate you would need to do over 4K dps average before you started to get even close to the dps that BCG adds. </p>

[Haciv]

<cite>IllusiveThoughts wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote>No your right your right the debuff doesn't stack but i guess the 1000dmg proc is useless too</blockquote><p>The 2% chance to randomly crit hit a 25K Ice Nova vs. non crit 19K Ice Nova, Fusion for 35K vs. 27K, and Ball of Lava hit for 8K vs. 6K seems to outwiegh a random 5% (more like 4% chance when you factor in its resist rate) chance to proc 1,000 damage.  </p><p>Given that I can fire off Ice Nova 1.8 / min and on average BCG will trigger 1.8 / min, hopefully you can see where I am coming from especially when you factor in all the other spells.</p><p>Crits benifit 1 type of class the most.  Slow attack / high hit classes.   Wizard and Ranger benifit the most from small % crit bonuses IMHO.  </p></blockquote><p>According to your math</p><p>25K ice nova vs 19K = 6k extra 2% of the time 2x per min</p><p>thats a whoping 240 damage per minute from ice nova (and its not guaranteed that ice nova will always hit for 25k on a crit or 19K on a non crit) your talking best case senario.</p><p>at any rate crit mods DO scale with the amount of DPS that you can pump out, doing 2k dps </p><p>2% crit "over time" grants you a whoppin 18 more dps "over time" @ 2k dps.</p><p>at that rate you would need to do over 4K dps average before you started to get even close to the dps that BCG adds. </p></blockquote><p>Do an EOF raid zone and let me know what your BCG parses (in ext.) for you as well as it's to-hit% please.  I'll be shocked if it accounts for more than 1% of your DPS.   1% of my dps (roughly 2000 in ext.) is a whopping 20 dps.</p><p>If we're penny pinching the difference between 18dps (WITHOUT factoring in the extra INT / Power / +5 Disruption adornment from the Insulated Sash) vs 20dps (from BCG) then I'd have to say that the whole topic on which is better is quite frankly a wash / break even point. </p>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>IllusiveThoughts wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote>No your right your right the debuff doesn't stack but i guess the 1000dmg proc is useless too</blockquote><p>The 2% chance to randomly crit hit a 25K Ice Nova vs. non crit 19K Ice Nova, Fusion for 35K vs. 27K, and Ball of Lava hit for 8K vs. 6K seems to outwiegh a random 5% (more like 4% chance when you factor in its resist rate) chance to proc 1,000 damage.  </p><p>Given that I can fire off Ice Nova 1.8 / min and on average BCG will trigger 1.8 / min, hopefully you can see where I am coming from especially when you factor in all the other spells.</p><p>Crits benifit 1 type of class the most.  Slow attack / high hit classes.   Wizard and Ranger benifit the most from small % crit bonuses IMHO.  </p></blockquote><p>According to your math</p><p>25K ice nova vs 19K = 6k extra 2% of the time 2x per min</p><p>thats a whoping 240 damage per minute from ice nova (and its not guaranteed that ice nova will always hit for 25k on a crit or 19K on a non crit) your talking best case senario.</p><p>at any rate crit mods DO scale with the amount of DPS that you can pump out, doing 2k dps </p><p>2% crit "over time" grants you a whoppin 18 more dps "over time" @ 2k dps.</p><p>at that rate you would need to do over 4K dps average before you started to get even close to the dps that BCG adds. </p></blockquote><p>Do an EOF raid zone and let me know what your BCG parses (in ext.) for you as well as it's to-hit% please.  I'll be shocked if it accounts for more than 1% of your DPS.   1% of my dps (roughly 2000 in ext.) is a whopping 20 dps.</p><p>If we're penny pinching the difference between 18dps (WITHOUT factoring in the extra INT / Power / +5 Disruption adornment from the Insulated Sash) vs 20dps (from BCG) then I'd have to say that the whole topic on which is better is quite frankly a wash / break even point. </p></blockquote><p>I dont have to, in case you haven't checked the stickied thread that says Wizard parse thread, that has oh i dunno like 200 parses from me in it.</p><p>**edit** bleh i guess it still hasn't been stickied yet, its been what over a year and no mod has stickied it? [Removed for Content]? </p>

[Haciv]

<cite>IllusiveThoughts wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>IllusiveThoughts wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Falcogen wrote:</cite><blockquote>No your right your right the debuff doesn't stack but i guess the 1000dmg proc is useless too</blockquote><p>The 2% chance to randomly crit hit a 25K Ice Nova vs. non crit 19K Ice Nova, Fusion for 35K vs. 27K, and Ball of Lava hit for 8K vs. 6K seems to outwiegh a random 5% (more like 4% chance when you factor in its resist rate) chance to proc 1,000 damage.  </p><p>Given that I can fire off Ice Nova 1.8 / min and on average BCG will trigger 1.8 / min, hopefully you can see where I am coming from especially when you factor in all the other spells.</p><p>Crits benifit 1 type of class the most.  Slow attack / high hit classes.   Wizard and Ranger benifit the most from small % crit bonuses IMHO.  </p></blockquote><p>According to your math</p><p>25K ice nova vs 19K = 6k extra 2% of the time 2x per min</p><p>thats a whoping 240 damage per minute from ice nova (and its not guaranteed that ice nova will always hit for 25k on a crit or 19K on a non crit) your talking best case senario.</p><p>at any rate crit mods DO scale with the amount of DPS that you can pump out, doing 2k dps </p><p>2% crit "over time" grants you a whoppin 18 more dps "over time" @ 2k dps.</p><p>at that rate you would need to do over 4K dps average before you started to get even close to the dps that BCG adds. </p></blockquote><p>Do an EOF raid zone and let me know what your BCG parses (in ext.) for you as well as it's to-hit% please.  I'll be shocked if it accounts for more than 1% of your DPS.   1% of my dps (roughly 2000 in ext.) is a whopping 20 dps.</p><p>If we're penny pinching the difference between 18dps (WITHOUT factoring in the extra INT / Power / +5 Disruption adornment from the Insulated Sash) vs 20dps (from BCG) then I'd have to say that the whole topic on which is better is quite frankly a wash / break even point. </p></blockquote><p>I dont have to, in case you haven't checked the stickied thread that says Wizard parse thread, that has oh i dunno like 200 parses from me in it.</p><p>**edit** bleh i guess it still hasn't been stickied yet, its been what over a year and no mod has stickied it? [I cannot control my vocabulary]? </p></blockquote><p>Just post your most recent EoF raid zone run, and lemme know:  Total BCG dmg / BCG to-hit % / BCG % of dmg vs. all.  Just curious.    BCG consistantly parses poorly for me.  20-ish DPS.</p><p>I've read a lot in the parse thread but have not fine tooth combed it and found a BCG specific post that I can recall. </p>

[slippery]

BCG hit 134 times critting 23 times, with a to-hit% of 97.01% doing 42.01 extdps in my zw of 2189 in mmis (including Mayong). I think that wtfbbqpwns 2% crit chance.

[Haciv]

<cite>slippery wrote:</cite><blockquote>BCG hit 134 times critting 23 times, with a to-hit% of 97.01% doing 42.01 extdps in my zw of 2189 in mmis (including Mayong). I think that wtfbbqpwns 2% crit chance. </blockquote><p>See, that sounds respectable.  That's twice as much as it parses for me.   /Shrug</p><p>EDIT:  I'm doing MMIS tonight and I'll use BCG and I'll post the results. </p>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<blockquote><blockquote><p>IllusiveThoughts wrote:  </p><p>I dont have to, in case you haven't checked the stickied thread that says Wizard parse thread, that has oh i dunno like 200 parses from me in it.</p><p>**edit** bleh i guess it still hasn't been stickied yet, its been what over a year and no mod has stickied it? [I cannot control my vocabulary]? </p></blockquote><p>Haciv wrote: </p><p>Just post your most recent EoF raid zone run, and lemme know:  Total BCG dmg / BCG to-hit % / BCG % of dmg vs. all.  Just curious.    BCG consistantly parses poorly for me.  20-ish DPS.</p><p>I've read a lot in the parse thread but have not fine tooth combed it and found a BCG specific post that I can recall. </p></blockquote><p>I haven't raided in eq2 for about 3 months, I've been playing vg.</p><p>I took down most of the images of act screenshots I posted as they started to get a bit high on my sites bandwitdth.  If I remember when I get home today I'll import some of the parses I have saved so that I can show how much dps BCG was doing for me. </p>

[Haciv]

<p>Ok, here's MY breakdown from MMIS.</p><p>Total BCG dmg: 80306     Proc: 87    Landed:  83   To-Hit %:  95.4     Time:  54:17</p><p>Added DPS from BCG: <b>24.67</b></p><p>-----------------------------------------------------------</p><p>[Worst BCG from the mages] Necro on same raid:</p><p>Total BCG dmg: 45236     Proc: 52    Landed:  50   To-Hit %:  96.1     Time:  51:59</p><p>Added DPS from BCG: <b>14.61</b></p><p>-----------------------------------------------------------</p><p>[Best BCG from the mages] Illusionist on same raid:</p><p>Total BCG dmg: 60713     Proc: 59    Landed:  57   To-Hit %:  96.6     Time:  39:00</p><p>Added DPS from BCG: <b>25.95</b></p><p>-----------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Well, draw your own conclusions from here.  I'm sticking w/ the Insulated Sash.</p>

[slippery]

Here is my breakdown for MMiS last night. <img src="http://img02.picoodle.com/img/img02/8/5/3/f_5207mmisperm_0a2bde7.gif" border="0"> And then here is my crappy Avatar of War breakdown from tonight. (I spend entirely too much time stunned on this Avatar, either that or pulling special adds). <img src="http://img03.picoodle.com/img/img03/8/5/4/f_5307avatarom_07d573a.gif" border="0"> Also, your numbers are wrong. You shouldn't be using the time it shows for BCG, you should be using the total time the raid was in combat. Using the number next to the BCG is using the time the debuff was up on the mob (effectively). Honestly, I really can't show any more that the BCG pwns 2% crit chance. I could parse parses all day long showing it /shrug. Even on a horrible 25 minute Avatar fight where I did 1300 dps the BCG was still 2% of my dps. Edit: Also, you seem to over value int and power. Int has little impact in a raid set up now if you have even remotely decent gear and raid set up the int isn't going to have much of an impact if any on your dps. The Max power isn't going to help much most of the time, you need the ability to regen power on the long fights like avatars or contested mayong with power proc gear. A small amount of extra max power is going to mean squat. For example, on that Avatar fight I died 3 times, each time I could get up and start nuking right away and actually regen power (Sage cloak, necro orb, Shredder pants, illusionist, warlock with propagation). Never once using any item or ability to get power (not even my book) after dieing 3 times in the fight I had 5k power at the end.

[Haciv]

<cite>slippery wrote:</cite><blockquote>Also, your numbers are wrong. You shouldn't be using the time it shows for BCG, you should be using the total time the raid was in combat. Using the number next to the BCG is using the time the debuff was up on the mob (effectively). </blockquote><p>The illusionist came late and the necro missed a fight I think.  I was using the total raid time for the people listed.  Otherwise, the stats would have reflected even lower.</p><p>EDIT:</p><p>Oh well, I guess I'm done on this flame-bait thread.  I'm going to go try to find my eBay manual as I am obviously a complete tool who doesn't know how to play and I obviously don't understand even the basic most fundamental elements of being a DPS class or a wizard.</p><p>I can't win this arguement or even come close to reaching a middle ground... but I show'd my stats and my side of the story and that's the best I can do.   Hope you all have fun with whatever gear you choose to use.</p><p>Later   /wave </p>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<cite>Haciv wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I can't win this arguement or even come close to reaching a middle ground... </p></blockquote><p> Did it ever occur to you that you cant win the argument because you're wrong?</p><p>Out of all the wizards who have posted in this thread they ALL disagree with you.  If the majority of a party in a dscussion disagree with one person, then that person should re-examine their position. (or they are just being stubborn)</p><p>Your parse results you posted do not exceed 2% crit chance, clearly BCG is superior for improving your dps.  Yet you still continue to believe otherwise, even when your own data supports us and not you.  Frankly theres not much more that can be said, except maybe, you will continue to use what ever you choose which is fine.  Just dont go telling other people to use it who are looking for the best dps gear topics.</p>