Evil Toons?

[StormCinder]

<p>Is it permissable to play a truly evil toon on a PvE server?  Someone who joins a PUG, gets his Master drop then drops the group to go sell his loot?  Someone who joins a guild, cleans out the bank?  I see many posts about these issues becoming CS issues.  But does/can the player plead his case that he/she is RPing their diabolical SK or Necro?  Sure, they won't have a lot of friends, but again it becomes a part of their mythos, right?  Evil people don't have friends.  Evil toons shouldn't either.  But shouldn't they be allowed to play that role?</p><p> Before too many accusations fly, I'm not asking out of experience...just read an article in PCGamer about playing evil toons and was curious how the CS team addresses that issue and/or how players feel?</p><p> Cheers,</p><p> SC</p>

[Beldin_]

I think that is the same pseudo-[Removed for Content] like people who gank lowbies on pvp-server, but tell that they only do that because they play the role of an evil assassin.

[Barbai]

in general people who act like that arn't looked at like they are being evil , but more as being a sheer jerk and arn't well liked by anyone and word can spread fairly quickly and they would be eventually be rejected by majority of people who hear of them. An evil toon would be someone who has a tendecy to stay away from any goodies and roleplays their evil charcs persona's , necromancers constantly looking for corpses for study, defiliers summoning tainted spirits for their biddings. In general I think an evil charc is considered evil by how they play their characters role and not by how they ruin other peoples gaming experience.

[Lakaah]

Dropping a group after winning a nice piece of loot isn't against the TOS, and I doubt that clearing out a guild bank would be, since there are ample controls a guild leader can use to prevent that... So, such actions, especially if accompanied by role-played actions, could be considered a legitimate way of 'expressing' ones evilness. On the other hand, the likely response by the injured parties would be to permanently eliminate that person, but this course is not available in the game... Like Barbai said, if thats the way you want to play it, and its within the TOS, fine ... but don't be surprised when word gets out and you're shunned.

[Armawk]

<p>You can expect payback, as long as it is also within the ToS, but hese activites are not illegal or wrong</p>

[liveja]

<cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Is it permissable to play a truly evil toon on a PvE server?  Someone who joins a PUG, gets his Master drop then drops the group to go sell his loot?  Someone who joins a guild, cleans out the bank?  I see many posts about these issues becoming CS issues.  But does/can the player plead his case that he/she is RPing their diabolical SK or Necro?  Sure, they won't have a lot of friends, but again it becomes a part of their mythos, right?  Evil people don't have friends.  Evil toons shouldn't either.  But shouldn't they be allowed to play that role?</p></blockquote><p>Most people will say that rather than roleplaying an evil person, you're really just being a jerk. You can argue back & forth with them until you're blue in the face, but anyone who already thinks you're just being a jerk isn't going to change their minds, & you're going to quickly end up finding no groups at all, & nothing really to do.</p><p>IMHO, "evil" isn't appropriate for PvE games. It's perfectly appropriate for PvP servers, where you can show just how evil you are by hunting down & slaughtering Qeynosians.</p>

[StormCinder]

<p><snip></p><p>IMHO, "evil" isn't appropriate for PvE games. It's perfectly appropriate for PvP servers, where you can show just how evil you are by hunting down & slaughtering Qeynosians.</p><p></snip></p><p> That's the majority opinion I've seen.  My impression has been that "evil" people <i>are</i> "jerks" and <i>are</i> "shunned" by groups and organizations for the bad behavior.  I can't think of someone I'd classify as a "polite" evil person.  I can't picture a bunch of SKs sitting around the guildhall saying things like "Excuse, but would you please pass the salt?"  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>It's more like "Hmmm...if I can stay awake longer than him, I can steal stuff."  But, as is pointed out in several responses, being an "Evil jerk" is not acceptable in the CareBear (tm) world of PvE MMOs where someone's feelings get hurt.   I mean sure, it's ok to stomp all over the feelings of the NPCs, but don't look at a PC sideways or you'll be reported.  And I know that's by design (hence the existance of the "Play Nice Policy.&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  By definition that takes the edge off.  It's not too realistic but in the name of "fun for all" I suppose it's necessary.  </p><p>I guess, like most things in the game, it comes down to a play-style thing.  How deep into the RP do you get?  Refuse to group/guild with certain races/classes?  Refuse to let certain races/classes into your group/guild?  I play on 3 different servers and I see all levels of RP.  About 90% of them seem to draw the line at making their characters jerks.  </p><p>I've never played on a PvP server, so maybe I should check that out and see what it's like.</p><p>I guess it's good to see that people would actually shun "evil jerks."  It's kinda like RPing without realizing it <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Well, it's Saturday morning and there's 8 inches of snow out.  Guess it's time to fire up the EQ2 box<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>SC</p>

[Chay]

If I had any say I'd ban the person for such behavior. There are too many casual jerks, exploiters, and griefers in the game. Yes, there are settings to prevent some of these things described from happening and it is in the best interest of everyone to be on the look out for people who will abuse the anonymity of a online game. But there is no room for callous, antisocial, and disruptive behavior in a game such as this. Anyone who behaves like that needs professional help or to be grounded. You can hide behind the facade of "roleplaying" but in the end its more than "roleplaying". What you are describing isn't "Evil" it is antisocial behavior. Evil is rarely evil for the sake of being evil or ruining someone's experience. Evil is simply a means to an end that doesn't follow a society's perception of altruism. Being an antisocial jerk is acting out of spite and purposely trying to cause others pain, anguish, and so forth. Being a jerk is always being a jerk. Being evil isn't always being evil.

[Jrral]

I'd argue that the kinds of actions you suggest aren't evil, they're just stupid. If you drop group like that, leaving the group in a lurch, how likely do you think those players will be to group with you in the future? They don't have to even be "good" to shun you for that, having a modicum of self-interest will do. Similarly, if you clear out the guild bank you'll find yourself without the benefits of that guild, <i>or any other</i>. And that's the rub: you do things like that, <i>nobody</i> will want to get anywhere near you. You'll find yourself locked out of the legendary and fabled loot, items that require guild status to get, basically a lot of the high-end goodies, because nobody else (good or evil) will want to deal with you. Evil can be defined in large part as looking out for yourself first and others second. How does making it impossible to get cooperation from others help the evil character? It doesn't. Why would an evil character do something that's only going to, overall, be to their own detriment? NB: the above's why the evil characters I've run up haven't respected the Overlord much. If he were smart he'd be nice and polite to Antonia Bayle. All those goodie-goodie paladins and templars running around could be put to <i>much</i> better use running around Freeport smiting the evil that's <i>not</i> working for Lucan, after all.

[SteelPiston]

<p>It's time that EQ2 dropped this whole good and evil thing. I ask you; what is evil about Freeport? The guards are grumpy and make sarcastic remarks and some of the town zones look like downtown Detroit. Nothing evil about it. I don't see people pulling wings off captured Faes or dipping Dwarves into hot honey. Freeporters don't even get to play evil type characters either. No Witches, Goblins, Vampires, or Orcs etc. I suppose Dark Elves and Trolls are a semi evil.  What is evil about a Ratonga? It's just a Rat.</p><p>As for cleaning out a guild bank and other antisocial behavior, this has to do with the amount of Jerk faction that you have obtained and has nothing to do with playing a good or evil character type.</p>

[tass]

lol weather ur good evil or role playing. If you break the eula ur d&d [Removed for Content] is grass as were so many otherts who pleaded that same case before they were banned.

[EtoilePirate]

The EULA specifically says that role-playing evil is no excuse to do stupid crap to other players.  You still have to play within the rules. That said, I think there is room for evil RP but the things you describe are more mechanics than content.

[Ralum]

<p>I was playing my necro and a character came running by and yelled for help with the lion that was eating him. I said "Stop! Please stop running! You are out running me!". Then he stopped and I watched the lions eat him. He sent me a tell that was esentially "[Removed for Content]!?!? Why didn't you help?!?!?" I told him I didn't want to help him, I just wanted to watch him die and didn't feel like running to see it happen.</p><p>I thought that was roleplaying evil AND being a jerk but NOT a violation of any part of the EULA. "Evil" doesn't have to mean "Thief".</p><p>Just my 2cp</p>

[RpTheHotrod]

<p>Roleplaying evil is fine, BUT KEEP THIS IN MIND</p><p>This IS a game, people play this to relax, so be careful not to do actions that can RUIN their REAL LIFE experience. Working towards a drop for hours, or even days, then suddenly someone stealing it in the group can completely affect and ruin someone's real life day. Remember, I know this sounds silly, but some people HAVE killed themselves over games due to negative actions of others.</p><p>Don't be a jerk to others online, it's just not cool.</p><p>I personally roleplay two evil characters. </p><p> One is an evil Ratonga Shadowknight. He acts differently depending on your race if you are around. He hates Kerrans and Halflings, and dislikes Gnomes and Erudites. He starts off quiet, but eventually warms up to the group. If a group member speaking is one of the hated races, he'll often respond with a sharp comment. As the group goes on, he'll often emote in a negative way towards those races, and eventually the group picks up on why. Once the group ends, he normally makes a comment toward the hated race that they didn't do too bad, for a [insert race here], /sneer, then bid everyone farewell. The other is another Shadowknight, but human. You'll often find him in Freeport gather groups of people to make "attacks" on Qeynos in completely insane and silly ways that would never work. One way I did this was by getting everyone bat illusions with totems and having a bat raid to scare away all the Qeynosians. Once the city was empty, Qeynos was ours to loot! You'd be suprised how many players tag along, heh. Antonica suddenly seeys a wave of 40 bats rushing towards their front gates.</p><p>There are more ways to roleplay evil than doing things frowned upon by most people.</p>

[x82nd77]

<cite>Ralum wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I was playing my necro and a character came running by and yelled for help with the lion that was eating him. I said "Stop! Please stop running! You are out running me!". Then he stopped and I watched the lions eat him. He sent me a tell that was esentially "[I cannot control my vocabulary]!?!? Why didn't you help?!?!?" I told him I didn't want to help him, I just wanted to watch him die and didn't feel like running to see it happen.</p></blockquote> There it is... best story of the day folks.  LMFAO