Hate proc gear?

[Bantel]

<p>Anyone know of any gear/jewelry/etc that procs hate, other than the ones below? Looking to get one or 2 for my Guardian before I spec out of STR/STA to STR/INT.</p><p><b>Ascendant</b> - Fabled Level 69 1h axe 76.82 rating - <i>Yitzik the Hurler, Deathtoll</i> - On a successful attack this spell has a chance to cast Provoking Assault on target of attack. This effect will trigger an average of 1.8 times per minute. If a melee attack is used, only the primary weapon can trigger this effect. Increases Threat to target by 500</p><p><b>Planeswalker Boots</b> - Mitigation: Fabled Level 70 Feet Mitigation: 540 - <i>Avatar of Below, Butcherblock Mountains</i> - On a successful attack this spell has a chance to cast Infuriating Shout IV on target of attack.  This effect will trigger an average of 1.4 times per minute. If a melee attack is used, only the primary weapon can trigger this effect. Increases Threat to target encounter by 600</p><p><b>Greaves of the Codex</b> - Fabled Level 70 Legs Mitigation: 566 - <i>Chel'Drak the Ancient Lord, Antechamber of Fate</i> - When target uses a combat art this spell has a 7% chance to cast Strife of the Codex on target of combat art. Increases Threat to target by 300</p><p><b>Windforged Bracers</b> - Fabled Level 69 Forearms Mitigation: 490 - <i>Hurricanus the Patriach, Tenebrous Tangle</i> - When target takes damage this spell has a chance to cast Infuriate on target's attacker. This effect will trigger an average of 1.8 times per minute. Increases Threat to target by 15 - 25 (that number seems low, anyone have these and can verify?)</p><p><b>Cape Of The Vikomt</b> - Legendary Level 70 Cloak - <i>Vikomt D'Raethe, Castle Mistmoore</i> - On a successful attack this spell has a chance to cast D'Raethe's Seething Hatred on target of attack. This effect will trigger an average of 1.8 times per minute. If a melee attack is used, only the primary weapon can trigger this effect. Increases Threat to target encounter by 725</p><p><b>Tower Shield of Strife</b> - Fabled Level 69 Tower Shield Protection 1313 - <i>Trash?, Freethinker's Hideout</i> - When target uses a combat art this spell has a 10% chance to cast Infuriation on target of combat art. Increases Threat to target by 275. When Equipped: Increases Melee Crit Chance of caster by 2.0%</p>

[Gaddwin]

<p>Only other one i know is </p><p>aITEM -1226891076 -739531987:Sash of the Spurned/a</p><p>18str 20sta</p><p>90health 75power</p><p>252vs magic 756 vs Mental</p><p>5 defence</p><p>Infuriating shout</p><p>On a sussessful attack this spell has a chance to cast Infuriating shout I on target of attack. This effect will trigger an average of 0.8 times per minute. If a melee attac is used, only the primary weapon can trigger this effect.</p><p>Increase Threat to target encounter by 400</p><p>Drops off the trash in MM Castle, not particularly common but I did get 2 on one visit.</p><p>Kanamorf</p><p>Lizurd</p>

[Israphil]

Also remember, every item that procs damage also procs hate: 1 dmg = 1 hate.

[Aaeamyen]

<p>Has anyone noticed a dramatic drop in hate procs when wearing more than 2 pieces of hate gear?</p><p>When i wear the Huri BP and Bracer, Greaves of Codex, Sash of Spurned, Acendant and Shield Of Strive, my agro goes WAY down.. (forgot Cape of the Vikomt)</p><p>However if i only wear the BP and belt, switch out the axe for Buckler and Vulucidiads sword, my DPS skyrockets to around 1200 and i hold agro perfectly. (and Cape of Flames)</p><p>I've tried all sorts of AA combos but right now for hate, i think Buckler line and Guardian Dbl attack line is best for agro, as i double attack 86% of the time now.</p>

[TuinalOfTheNexus]

Karog@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>Has anyone noticed a dramatic drop in hate procs when wearing more than 2 pieces of hate gear?</p><p>When i wear the Huri BP and Bracer, Greaves of Codex, Sash of Spurned, Acendant and Shield Of Strive, my agro goes WAY down.. (forgot Cape of the Vikomt)</p><p>However if i only wear the BP and belt, switch out the axe for Buckler and Vulucidiads sword, my DPS skyrockets to around 1200 and i hold agro perfectly. (and Cape of Flames)</p><p>I've tried all sorts of AA combos but right now for hate, i think Buckler line and Guardian Dbl attack line is best for agro, as i double attack 86% of the time now.</p></blockquote><p>Well that's because your raw dps is generating way more hate than a few procs ever will. Something proccing 500 damage is better than something proccing 500 hate for obvious reasons, and there's no reason to use hate proc gear if it's costing you DPS.</p><p>You'd probably see the highest hate generation with the hurri bp + bracers, sash, vikomt cape, a buckler and the villucidae sword, coupled with a lot of crit % gear (league rewards, MoA), mastercrafted rings, and a decent haste item like a barbed or forsworn wrist. Underworld Legplates are also the best legs for hate bar none if you can soak the loss of mitigation. </p>

[Aaeamyen]

Thanks for the tips i'll give that a try tonight.

[Gungo]

<p>also i think the ascedent axe is past its prime. </p><p>a 1 hander w a 76 DR is very low now. if you can get yoru hands on the matrons hammer, cheldraks shard, brimstone hammer, or the clearcut machette i would expect your agro will be alot higher then the ascedent. </p><p>It may even be comparable to the planar axe of destruction, but when all your scouts are carrying 90DR 1 handers there is a huge disparity in agro generation. </p>

[Kaleyen]

<cite>Bantel wrote:</cite><blockquote><b>Windforged Bracers</b> - Fabled Level 69 Forearms Mitigation: 490 - <i>Hurricanus the Patriach, Tenebrous Tangle</i> - When target takes damage this spell has a chance to cast Infuriate on target's attacker. This effect will trigger an average of 1.8 times per minute. Increases Threat to target by 15 - 25 (that number seems low, anyone have these and can verify?)</blockquote>7% chance to cast Infuriate on target's attacker.  Increase threat to target by 762 - 1271

[Ep]

anyone believe existing hate should be changed to target encounter instead of target? i believe the eof boots and belt(sash spurned) say encounter now. while previous kos all say only target. i mean hurri bp for instance it proces 2x a min? so in a group encounter if the same mob gets proc'd twice, the other mobs won't even be affected by it. i mean i personally just rely on hate proc gear for trash, i think of it like buckler spec good for trash(i'm getting out of buckler spec, yet again, soon, thx cheap respects heh). but on epics w/ just hurri bp i could hold aggro vs. an all out 25k (30k might push it) raid. course thats w/ good timed reinforces and plants. (i like to use vymms sword and ward cloak for epics, still believe we should have as many ward procs as possible to survive. kinda dont' like to wear planar warrior earing tho, really low stats heh)

[Aaeamyen]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>also i think the ascedent axe is past its prime. </p><p>a 1 hander w a 76 DR is very low now. if you can get yoru hands on the matrons hammer, cheldraks shard, brimstone hammer, or the clearcut machette i would expect your agro will be alot higher then the ascedent. </p><p>It may even be comparable to the planar axe of destruction, but when all your scouts are carrying 90DR 1 handers there is a huge disparity in agro generation. </p></blockquote><p>Yea thats kind of my sentiments on the axe atm, which is why i switched to buckler for pure DPS/agro which works great. But the axe DMG rating alone isn't why its out of date.. I use Vulucidades sword atm, and am holding agro perfectly and its dmg rating isn't but 1 point above the Ascendant.</p><p> The thing is the difference in the Delays. Vulucidad's sword has a 2.5 second dely while the Ascendant has a 1.6 second delay. Then the dmg spread is also higher on Vulucidad's sword giving bigger crits than the Ascendant. The 500 measly proc of hate off the ascendant can't stack up to the 1200 dps that i'm now capable of doing on a raid. </p><p> Still, survivability on a raid means i have to work harder yes, switching out boards when needed hiting Dragoon Reflexes at the right time, using block and keeping both mit buffs cycled perfectly, but i guess thats the trade off for keeping agro off the manaburn wizys at 80% into the fight cause they wanna both be able to hit it on a mob before it dies lol. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Ep]

ascendant is only good in the correct mt group makeup/ aa selection. here's what i mean, ascendant is pretty lack luster, but it gives a pretty big proc, you have to admit glossing over the 1dmg=1hate thing, ascendant does 500straight hate. if you have a dirge and coercer(not melee aggro xfer like swash/assn) then the hate ascendant proc's alone will be very high, and if you have str 10% hate too, well thats just even more gravy. however if you have dirge/assn, then no the total effectiveness of ascendant scales downward dramatically.

[sirmamabe]

there is a pair of leather gloves that drops in acacacism with the hate proc aITEM 684224248 1624689439:Tyrannical Handwraps/a My bruiser has them for when I tank, but not shure if the drop in mit would be worth it for a plat tank Yazie

[Aaeamyen]

Auron@Befallen wrote: <blockquote>ascendant is only good in the correct mt group makeup/ aa selection. here's what i mean, ascendant is pretty lack luster, but it gives a pretty big proc, you have to admit glossing over the 1dmg=1hate thing, ascendant does 500straight hate. if you have a dirge and coercer(not melee aggro xfer like swash/assn) then the hate ascendant proc's alone will be very high, and if you have str 10% hate too, well thats just even more gravy. however if you have dirge/assn, then no the total effectiveness of ascendant scales downward dramatically. </blockquote><p>Even so, with a Dirge Coercer in group, the Ascendant comes in behind a buckler 1200 DPS guardian for agro. I'm sure it will still work, but i dont feel the benefits of a 500 proc vs 1200 DPS.</p><p> I could be wrong, if i am i'm sure i'll hear it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Yourbestfriend]

Two options. 1. Go to your bank, and put ascendant in it. 2. Delete Ascendant. Ascendant has always been such a highly over valued weapon. The Crit ratio sucks. The Damage on it has always sucked. You are better with basically any other weapon out there. To mention a few Axe of the Bloodbeast, Shadow Axe, Cudgel of Pain one of the ones off venekor(HoS).  Sword of shielding - basically anything besides the labs drop. In a weapon you want something with a 2.5 delay or at the very least 2.0 Delay. You will hit harder with a longer delay weapon (assuming it doesn't totally suck) and it's going to have a higher crit ratio. Hitting faster = more ripostes. Proc chances average out so you are going to proc just as much if not more with a longer delayed weapon. + Are you kidding me? Isn't this the guardian board Why the hell do you need help on single target agro? Here is all you need to do. Reinforcement + Besiege = AGRO If you still can't hold it after that (which means you have dps that's actually worth something) then put a swashbuckler in your group for agro. I personally have all of these proc items and I hold agro off my guild. Although I don't use any of them besides the Planeswalker since the stats are awesome (has nothing to do with the proc). However I always have atleast a dirge/swash in my group. And this is holding agro off people who are putting up 3-3.5k zonewids with a raid dps over 30k for the complete zonewides. All you need is to understand game mechanics and building a group/raid worth a [Removed for Content]. And for the love of god don't use 1.6 delay weapons.

[Bantel]

Jaraxx@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>+ Are you kidding me? Isn't this the guardian board Why the hell do you need help on single target agro? </blockquote><p> Odd, I don't see anyone posting here that was looking for help on single target aggro. Not all hate proc items are single target only. Whether to equip <b>any</b> of said items or not would depend entirely on the characters other gear, the group/guild/raid they regularly run with, and many other factors.</p><p>Condescension on a forum where people come for help/answers tells us volumes about the person behind the keyboard while providing little of benefit to the thread.</p>

[Khurghan]

Jaraxx@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>In a weapon you want something with a 2.5 delay or at the very least 2.0 Delay. You will hit harder with a longer delay weapon (assuming it doesn't totally suck) and it's going to have a higher crit ratio. Hitting faster = more ripostes. Proc chances average out so you are going to proc just as much if not more with a longer delayed weapon. </blockquote> Have things changed since LU#16? Last time I checked riposte rates were normalised so that slower weapons have a higher chance of being riposted.

[Yourbestfriend]

<cite>Bantel wrote:</cite><blockquote>Jaraxx@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>+ Are you kidding me? Isn't this the guardian board Why the hell do you need help on single target agro? </blockquote><p> Odd, I don't see anyone posting here that was looking for help on single target aggro. Not all hate proc items are single target only. Whether to equip <b>any</b> of said items or not would depend entirely on the characters other gear, the group/guild/raid they regularly run with, and many other factors.</p><p>Condescension on a forum where people come for help/answers tells us volumes about the person behind the keyboard while providing little of benefit to the thread.</p></blockquote> I was talking about Ascendant. Alot of people have viewed it to be one of those "awesome" weapons. I'm posting here because I am giving advice - I'm not a jerk, I am just an incredibly blunt person.  Trust me - you want the higher delay weapon. Fast weapons just completely suck. The only reason I would even recommend putting on a fast weapon (and for a brief period of time) for reinforcement but only in times were low on the hate list. Ditch the fast weapons pick up a 2.5 delay or higher! A little off topic here because I get asked this question all the time. Sta line = the best way to up your agro/dps If you are truly worried about your avoidance put points into gladiators revenge, for me switching from Qeynos Guard to my Buckler I lose like 1.1 Avoidance which is nothing. If I offended you with my posts then I'm sorry but as I said - I'm just an incredibly blunt person.

[Yourbestfriend]

O and the message I was getting at is you really dont' need this hate proc gear. It's really so minor. If you are sacrificing your stats to get it then I think you are making a huge mistake. The Cloak of Vikomt () (or whatever from the x2 in Castle (Not Maestro) Grim Earring of Night - from Mayong Mistmoore in MiS isn't bad nor are the boots but the rest just have such terrible stats - atleast from a raiders point of few. But if you are just doing heroic mobs then you're right - it probably has the stats you are looking for and the hate isn't really going to do you much good.

[TuinalOfTheNexus]

Jaraxx@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>O and the message I was getting at is you really dont' need this hate proc gear. It's really so minor. If you are sacrificing your stats to get it then I think you are making a huge mistake. The Cloak of Vikomt () (or whatever from the x2 in Castle (Not Maestro) Grim Earring of Night - from Mayong Mistmoore in MiS isn't bad nor are the boots but the rest just have such terrible stats - atleast from a raiders point of few. But if you are just doing heroic mobs then you're right - it probably has the stats you are looking for and the hate isn't really going to do you much good. </blockquote><p> I do find encounter or reactive hate proc stuff useful when OT'ing the (many) raid encounters that spawn multiple linked adds every minute or so. Since you're not really getting hit that hard and it's usually more important to keep the adds from the raid force (whilst the Warlock goes nuts the second they pop) this gear can be situationally very useful.</p><p>Assuming you're templar / dirge buffed the proc rate goes up to a decent level, and odds are a bow show is gonna proc at least one item. Then the subsequent procs from a mash of combat arts and autoattack usually helps you make sure the 2nd add is on you and not the casters. I don't have any hard numbers but speaking from practical experience, I'll <i>situationally</i> take a sash of the spurned and even the treasured spaulders from vikomt over fabled items in those slots.</p><p>If you're straight up tanking an x4 though, I'd 100% agree hate proc gear isn't that great.</p>

[Bantel]

Jaraxx@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>A little off topic here because I get asked this question all the time. Sta line = the best way to up your agro/dps If you are truly worried about your avoidance put points into gladiators revenge, for me switching from Qeynos Guard to my Buckler I lose like 1.1 Avoidance which is nothing. If I offended you with my posts then I'm sorry but as I said - I'm just an incredibly blunt person. </blockquote><p> No offense taken. </p><p>And just FYI, I am spec'd str 4,4,8,8 sta 4,5,8,8 (the traditional buckler spec I suppose). Aggro is generally not an issue for me, until we get over 25k DPS or so. I was looking at the Cloak of Vikomt, and trying to decide if that would serve me better than my CoF, since I can use the forsworn for haste in a neck or wrist slot. That then got me to wondering what other encounter hate proc items might be available, which resulted in my post <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> When we get a few Warlocks etc, and are short Trouby's, then encounter aggro can get dicey if they go all out. We do what we can to manage de-aggro (paly amends, moderate etc), but sometimes we just don't have the classes for a given raid to cover all the hate reduction needs.</p><p>Still haven't decided on CoF or Vikomt btw...CoF does have some minor stats on it in addition to haste.</p><p> And yeah, I will use Qeynos Guard on a hard pull, then flip to buckler as soon as mobs are debuffed. Works well so far in FTH, MMIS, etc. Haven't tried tanking EH yet, so we'll see if that changes things.</p>

[Yourbestfriend]

Good - that's a good start, I just recently respeced to a farming raid zones spec sta/str - I've been in wisdom/sta for all of EoF. Now I'm into the farming mode alot easier for agro. The proc really isn't gonna do you much - but I am also a start [Removed for Content] so I won't be putting my CoF down for a long time.

[Kinesthesia]

Just wanted to add. Pauldrons of Hatred aITEM 1303704810 -2103145733<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />auldrons of Hatred/a Infuriating Shout II on treasured shoulders from MMC.