Suggestion: Collection quest items and the broker......

[Sa'meria]

<p>I'm not sure if this is mentioned or not. But with the recent change to the collection items and the ability to mouse over and see if you allready have it collected or not. </p><p>It seems that it wouldn't be to hard to add that into the ability to seach by non-collected collection quest.</p><p>Could you add this?</p>

[Quda]

<p>This is possible, but highly unlikely.  But a good idea.<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>One, how would it filter off collections you know about, to collections you have not even discovered yet.</p><p>With all the search features already available, it will only take a few minutes off your search. Collections/Keyword/sort by name and you have everything your looking for.  Also remember some collections are no-trade to complete, and will never show up on the broker.</p>

[Sa'meria]

<cite>Quda wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This is possible, but highly unlikely.  But a good idea.<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>One, how would it filter off collections you know about, to collections you have not even discovered yet.</p><p>With all the search features already available, it will only take a few minutes off your search. Collections/Keyword/sort by name and you have everything your looking for.  Also remember some collections are no-trade to complete, and will never show up on the broker.</p></blockquote><p> 1. Well whatever code they added to show you on the tooltip to show if you allready have the collectable collect. You could use this same code to check collection item. </p><p>ie. </p><p><span style="color: #ffcc00">IF NeedCollectable=true THEN list Collectable.</span></p><p>You could then enable that search option and list every collectable on the broker that you need for collection quests.</p><p>And yes, I know there are some drop only and no-trade collection item, and since the no-trade ones are allready not on the broker it wouldn't matter.</p><p>The code might allready be there that we can use it in a custom UI, but we need a dev to share that code with us, if it is there.</p>

[SteelPiston]

<p>I can't say that I'm in favour of being able to search for collections that you don't have yet, or are not yet even aware of. It is not in the spirit of the game.</p><p>Eg. This would enable a level 8 toon with access to a pile of plats to buy up and turn in much higher level collectables etc than would ordinarily be the case. I know that this is being done now by a lot or people rolling a new low level toon, but this would open up the abuse even more.  AND..I know it's not against the COC or any other rule, but I still view it as a form of exploit that should be stopped.</p><p>I would like to see all collectables have at least one "No trade"item in them to stop the practice of using collections to power level toons or obtain nice house items and rares. The ugly looking paper slip collections nearly all have one blue body drop or location visited "No Trade" item in them. These collections can't be completed by a visit to thye nearest broker. I don't understand why the bone and shard collections etc are not like that. All the KoS collectables shouldn't be available to a level 8 IMHO.</p>

[Kaishod]

<cite>SteelPiston wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Eg. <span style="color: #ffff00">This would enable a level 8 toon with access to a pile of plats to buy up and turn in much higher level collectables etc than would ordinarily be the case. I know that this is being done now by a lot or people rolling a new low level toon, but this would open up the abuse even more.  AND..I know it's not against the COC or any other rule, but I still view it as a form of exploit that should be stopped.</span></p><p>I would like to see all collectables have at least one "No trade"item in them to stop the practice of using collections to power level toons or obtain nice house items and rares. The ugly looking paper slip collections nearly all have one blue body drop or location visited "No Trade" item in them. These collections can't be completed by a visit to thye nearest broker. I don't understand why the bone and shard collections etc are not like that. <span style="color: #ffff00">All the KoS collectables shouldn't be available to a level 8 IMHO.</span></p></blockquote><p>The first part all ready happens and will always happen, unless collection restrictions are put into place... </p><p>I agree with your second statement, but think the collections should be simialr to gear/weapons, can't be equipt until "x" level.  They are allready leveled, so make it so that someone cannot use a "red" conned collection item.  That would cut down significantly on those that rocket their toon 10 levels thru buying collections.</p><p>I wish collections could at least be searched for by level instead of having to type in every name or surf every page.  </p>

[liveja]

<cite>Kaishodan wrote:</cite><blockquote>That would cut down significantly on those that rocket their toon 10 levels thru buying collections.</blockquote><p>I'm still trying to figure out why it's anyone's business that someone chooses to rocket their toon 10 levels thru buying collections.</p>

[mellowknees72]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaishodan wrote:</cite><blockquote>That would cut down significantly on those that rocket their toon 10 levels thru buying collections.</blockquote><p>I'm still trying to figure out why it's anyone's business that someone chooses to rocket their toon 10 levels thru buying collections.</p></blockquote><p> Because people think that this is how you end up with level 70s who don't know how to play their classes.</p><p>But, I'll tell you a secret: you could give someone a guide on how to play their class perfectly, put blocks in the game that would prevent them from levelling up too quickly so they could have plenty of time to learn how to play, and you'd STILL have people that didn't know what they were doing by level 70.</p><p>Familiarity/knowledge of how to play one's class really doesn't have much to do with how quickly one levels - it has to do with whether or not the player reads spell/ability descriptions and then pays attention to the outcome of his/her actions while fighting.  </p>

[Kaishod]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaishodan wrote:</cite><blockquote>That would cut down significantly on those that rocket their toon 10 levels thru buying collections.</blockquote><p>I'm still trying to figure out why it's anyone's business that someone chooses to rocket their toon 10 levels thru buying collections.</p></blockquote><p> You're right, it is no ones business... how someone gets there is definitely not as important as what/how they do when they get there.</p><p>I do think it should be level capped imo... alot of the rewarded gear can't be worn, all of the other quests have required levels, why not collections?</p><p>I just want to be able to search more easily for collections... that, and I think some of the rewards should be a little bit better... otherwise I could care less about them <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Lakaah]

"I agree with your second statement, but think the collections should be simialr to gear/weapons, can't be equipt until "x" level.  They are allready leveled, so make it so that someone cannot use a "red" conned collection item.  That would cut down significantly on those that rocket their toon 10 levels thru buying collections." Nooo, please not that. Many collection items can be personally obtained far earlier than their stated level. I really dont want to have to keep a lot of bank space dedicated to higher level shinies... I agree that there aught to be a no-trade in each collection ... but it should usually be a 'location' spawn ... getting a certain no-trade piece off the ground or a corpse is way too iffy.

[liveja]

<cite>Kaishodan wrote:</cite><blockquote>all of the other quests have required levels</blockquote><p>Did you know that the Aviak Hatchling quest, from the KOS box, is 50th level, yet it can be done by anyone with 10c?</p><p>In any event, the levels attached to quests are not exactly "requirements", they're "guidelines". They're a way of gauging, roughly, what level you need to be to do it. You can do many quests far below their suggested level, or at least get started on them.</p><p>Perhaps we should also lobby for level limits on the KOS spires, too, as I can easily take a lowbie to Barren Sky, fly around on the platforms, & get lots of AA xp for free. Or, I could go to TT, stay in the area where only non-aggro mobs spawn, & wait for shinies to pop.</p><p>Or, better yet, maybe we should just quit talking about restrictions & nerfs, & instead, talk about finding more ways for players to have fun.</p>

[SteelPiston]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaishodan wrote:</cite><blockquote>all of the other quests have required levels</blockquote><p>Did you know that the Aviak Hatchling quest, from the KOS box, is 50th level, yet it can be done by anyone with 10c?</p><p>In any event, the levels attached to quests are not exactly "requirements", they're "guidelines". They're a way of gauging, roughly, what level you need to be to do it. You can do many quests far below their suggested level, or at least get started on them.</p><p>Perhaps we should also lobby for level limits on the KOS spires, too, as I can easily take a lowbie to Barren Sky, fly around on the platforms, & get lots of AA xp for free. Or, I could go to TT, stay in the area where only non-aggro mobs spawn, & wait for shinies to pop.</p><p>Or, better yet, maybe we should just quit talking about restrictions & nerfs, & instead, talk about finding more ways for players to have fun.</p></blockquote><p>I ask you, where is the fun in smoking a cigarette and skipping the sex? All buying collections does is to get you to the cigarette faster. I guess you smoke a lot, seeing as you defend the practice of buying up collections.</p><p>As for resticting the access to the KoS spires; it would stop the level 7 harvesting bots from running around, but it would also stop my fun of watching low level explorers getting squished...hehe.  </p>

[liveja]

<cite>SteelPiston wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I ask you, where is the fun in smoking a cigarette and skipping the sex?</p></blockquote><p>I ask you, where is it any of your business to determine what other people think is "fun"? I've yet to see this question answered.</p>

[Hellswrath]

<p>yeah, searching for collection pieces? . . . NOT fun.  Although I have to agree that watching low level bots get squished is fun indeed. =)</p><p> Anyway, back on topic, I think adding this to the broker search engine would be an awesome idea, both for collection items and spells/recipes!</p>

[Valdaglerion]

<cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaishodan wrote:</cite><blockquote>all of the other quests have required levels</blockquote><p>Did you know that the Aviak Hatchling quest, from the KOS box, is 50th level, yet it can be done by anyone with 10c?</p></blockquote>True, but the Aviak hatchling is not a status reduction item, it is an Arena champion and quite honestly, if you can take your level 8 toon through MajDul to the Arena to use your Aviak then you deserve to do so <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Valdaglerion]

<p>(1) I dont think being able to search for all non-collected items is a good thing and limiting it will take more programming. They have to search for known collections and in those only those which are no trade and then you get the results set. Not sure how I feel about this although it would definitely be convenient I wonder about the performance hits we would incur in game by broker farmers constantly spamming these huge queries to the broker constantly looking for a single item to show up or prices to lower, etc. It also has the potential to expose collections you dont know about.</p><p> (2) I would like to see them implement the drag and drop of non-collected items in the journal to the broker window so you could at least drop the non-collected item into the broker window and generate a search that way. Would be even neater if they did it the way they did the new macro system. Create a search which includes the following items: and allow you to drag and drop items into the search from your journal or inventory.  To keep things interesting - THERE SHOULD NOT BE A DISALLOWED IF THE ITEM IS NO-TRADE. Not knowing which items are no-trade keeps the collection interesting, by saying you cant search this item on the broker because its no trade is almost cheating imo. By using the drag and drop system you can only search for and within collections you know about. Granted, currently you can search for anything if you know the name but you cant create an all encompassing search like you would be able to with the drag and drop method. I like the new macro system's ability to remove single lines as well. This would serve your search well - find an item, remove it from your search, find a new collection - add the new items to your search. </p>

[liveja]

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>livejazz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaishodan wrote:</cite><blockquote>all of the other quests have required levels</blockquote><p>Did you know that the Aviak Hatchling quest, from the KOS box, is 50th level, yet it can be done by anyone with 10c?</p></blockquote>True, but the Aviak hatchling is not a status reduction item, it is an Arena champion and quite honestly, if you can take your level 8 toon through MajDul to the Arena to use your Aviak then you deserve to do so <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> The issue, if I'm not mistaken, has to do with low level characters doing high level quests to get the XP. The claim was made that "all" other quests have required levels. I demonstrated just one example of that not being true. IOW, we're talking apples & oranges.

[Dewlix]

Maybe its just me, but the other day I searched the Collectibles on the broker (just started with the cheapest pieces) and I was able to find 15 collections that I had not yet discovered.  So unless this was an error/bug, you CAN find collections that you don't have yet.

[SignumX]

This is one of those things where you wonder why it wasnt of the first things added to the broker system. Its such a no brainer that im shocked people find some silly reason to say it shouldnt be in. Whats next can we not sort items by level and stats , is that not in the spirit of the game?

[Elizabette]

I would love to see the option to search for missing collection pieces that I have. Would make it a lot easier to complete them but I dont buy a lot of collection pieces really either so./

[Dutchgrrl]

<p>I do not see how the recent changes to the collections items (ie the mouse-over indicators showing the status of the item in your current collection) is a bad thing, or even a change that we should be concerned about...</p><p>I of course have no idea how the rest of you have handled the collections tracking, but I do know how I have been doing it and the new mouse-over feature is of particular use to me.  I am thrilled by it, but perhaps for reasons that are not in line with your concerns.</p><p>I do not, as a general rule, purchase collection items off of the broker, but I do SELL them because in the process of obtaining the items for the collections that I am filling I tend to get a fair number of duplicates.  What am I supposed to do with the dupes I cannot use?  Let me be more specific here...</p><p> I have a looseleaf binder that I purchased at Staples for $4.99 that is grey, has pockets on the inside cover, and a clear plastic pocket on the front and spine that you can use to add the title information for the contents.  I purchased the binder and then went to the maker's website and downloaded the utility thing that you import into Word so that you can print out the title page, as well as the spine page (with a dotted line to show you where to cut it).  I also purchased a three-hole punch and slightly thicker almost cardstock paper to use with the binder.</p><p>In the official questing board there is a post that links to a PDA file made in Excel (I think) that is a list of all of the collection items, including book pages.  I printed this on the special paper, a complete set for each of my toons.  I then used the tabbed divider inserts I bought at the same time as the binder ($2.99) creating a tab page for each of my toons as well as some others for information I wanted to print and save - mostly notes on quests, lists of things that specific mobs drop that I might want later, and etc.</p><p>I then logged each of my toons, one after the other, and filled in the boxes next to each collection item that they had, and so after spending extra money, and putting in a few hours work, I had basically a system that accomplished the function of what the mouse-over now does - that being let me know which items I do not have when I pick up an item or get it in a drop.</p><p>With the addition of the mouse-over feature, I no longer need to keep that list.  It it funny tho, I did not always use a list book (obviously).  Back when I did not have this huge list of collections in the collection page of the Quest list in game I could just look there, but it is huge, so the ticklist was really required.  Now it is one less thing that I have to mind.  So why is that a bad thing?  I do not get it...</p><p>Someone said that they thought it allowed new players with loads of plat to buy up collections that they might not otherwise have been aware of or done, to which I say - Huh?!  If a person is going to buy up collection items, well then they are going to do it, but when you consider the fact that a vast majority of the collections have NO TRADE and LORE items in them, items that the player has no choice but to go and get themselves, how is it that that is a factor again?</p><p>Anyway, I just wanted you all to know what that simple minor change to the game did for me.  And you.  K.</p><p>Kat</p>

[liveja]

Dutchgrrl wrote: <blockquote><p>a vast majority of the collections have NO TRADE and LORE items in them.</p></blockquote><p>AFAIK, that's only true of the various "tome" quests -- the ones for which you collect pages. </p>

[Catsy]

Money is time; collections take time to complete, and plat takes time to earn. I have a limited amount of play time to spend on a finite list of in-game activities, and running around grey zones trying to find one last body drop or rare spawn does not rank high on my list. If I want to spend plat to buy back some of my free time, that's my choice, not yours. Nor do I see what business it is of anyone's if a player wants to buy up collection items on the broker to power level through lower levels or boost their AA. They still have to learn to play the toon; if they don't, people will figure it out quickly enough and they'll get a rep for being a tool. The problem is self-correcting, and it gives people with too much plat on their hands another outlet to spread some around the economy. If you think the practice is lame, then I cordially invite you to exercise your right to not buy collections. Just don't inflict your sensibilities on me by recommending changes that would prevent me from using money I earn legitimately to fill out collections I'm missing.

[liveja]

Bogler@Kithicor wrote: <blockquote>Maybe its just me, but the other day I searched the Collectibles on the broker (just started with the cheapest pieces) and I was able to find 15 collections that I had not yet discovered.  So unless this was an error/bug, you CAN find collections that you don't have yet.</blockquote><p>You seem to have missed what's being requested: a method of SPECIFICALLY searching the broker for ONLY the ones you don't have. That way, the only items returned are ones you don't have, so you don't have to go wading through all the ones you've already collected.</p><p>I like the idea, but as other posters have mentioned, it might induce more lag, & that's something we don't need.  </p>

[simpwrx02]

You all do realize that there was a cap on how much XP you can get turning in collection quests.  You can not turn in a lvl 70 collection quest as a lvl 10 and expect to get to lvl 11 or even close. I tried this with my most recent alt, it was mostly to get some AA, but 5 high level collection quests only netted me around 40% xp.  It is better to turn in collection quests near your level so you dont waste the xp from the higher level collection quests.