Does heal crit help the SK?

[Stall101]

Hello my fellow SK. I have a 45 SK right now, and am climbing the strength tree at the moment. After I finish up the strength tree, I was planning on climbing the intelligence tree next, as I am hoping to be spec'ed to solo and DPS. While inspecting the intelligence tree, I noticed the last talent before the 22 point ability increases heal crit. I was wondering, does that yield any benefit to us, or should I simply go up 8/8/8 for the int tree? I was also hoping for some advice on what to tackle after the intellect tree, as after that, I will have the strength, intelligence, and reaver tree. Thank you so much my fellow crusaders of darkness, Stall. 

[Muraazi]

As far as I know, it yields no benefit to an SK whatsoever. Crit taps=crit heals. I have not tried it personally, but I have asked around, and, it seems to not effect reaver also. The only thing I heard (not sure how true) it helps is others heals on you. If that is indeed true then it might be worthwhile.

[Lovelessangel]

I am very inteested on the answer to this question as well.  Does a crit damage lifetap spell auto-critheal you too ?

[Tyrani]

<cite>Lovelessangel wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am very inteested on the answer to this question as well.  Does a crit damage lifetap spell auto-critheal you too ?</blockquote> Yes....the crit spell damage crits the heal.  All of our lifetaps are based off of spell crits, not crit heals.

[Lovelessangel]

thanks mister!

[Lovelessangel]

wait, what about the infernal pact/blessing/whatever line? is that spell crit too, or damage crit since technically it's not a lifetap.

[Wytie]

<cite>Lovelessangel wrote:</cite><blockquote>wait, what about the infernal pact/blessing/whatever line? is that spell crit too, or damage crit since technically it's not a lifetap.</blockquote> SK's dont have direct heals so all our heals are based of spell crits, we dont heal till damage is done first.

[Orthureon]

We seem to think it is all about us hehe. That heal crit is there strictly to give the pally a heal crit that is equal to our spell crit.

[Axxon]

Has anyone ever determined whether the crit heal line heals us in a situation where the damage portion of our CA fails, but the heal crits anyway off the AA?  Is that even possible?

[Arthik]

Axxon@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>Has anyone ever determined whether the crit heal line heals us in a situation where the damage portion of our CA fails, but the heal crits anyway off the AA?  Is that even possible?</blockquote> Far as I know, CAs don't heal, spells do. Since our heals are tied in with our spells, for the most part if the damage portion is resisted then there will be no heal, and with no heal there can be no crit.

[Controlor]

I know its bad of me to reply in this forums as i am a pally BUT there is 1 situation where the crit heal would help you. And really this is only situation. If you have an item that procs a strait ward / heal (not proc a life tap) then the crit heal would help you. But thats so limited its worthless. I agree with the poster it was put there to help us paladins out on our crit heals just hate having to get crit spell first it should be crit heal first <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[RaunII]

I agree, only reason i went down was to get the final ability, so i spec'd 4-5-8-4-2 on the int line...i wish that it gave something cool other than a heal chance, but, for once the devs decided to be nice to the paladins...actually, judging the devs history, i would say they werent so much trying to help the pally's as much as they were trying to [Removed for Content] the tree for the SK's that wanted the final ability...heheheheeh

[Coica]

<p> "<i>SK's dont have direct heals so all our heals are based of spell crits, we dont heal till damage is done first.</i> "</p><p> huh?!</p><p> dont mean to start anything, but this comment is technically untrue.</p>

[Pentarum]

With the exception of reaver this is true. All of our heals are a byproduct of damage being done first with a heal added after. Thats why all our spells and heals crit off Spell crits and not healing. Anytime we heal damage is always done first. The only thing thats going to raise your healing is + healing adorments and that only effects Reaver and is not worth it currently. Look at your spell descriptions... >Damage asigned      >Heal recieved

[Mistmoore-Milaga]

Wait, why would healing adornments work on Reaver but healing crits not?

[Pentarum]

Because the healing is a byproduct of the damage so the crit heals dont see it.  If the heal came first it would. But then your not getting crit damage and we dont want that <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Reaver is a straight heal due to casting a spell not just because of damage. Even spell debuffs like Siphon str or our taunts set off Reaver. So it adds a very tiny ammount. But since Reaver is considered a instant heal with no casting time and the healing cant be interupted it only gives a very small increase. I would love to see the crit heals work more for us like Eqlive but then our heals would start to get a bit unbalanced. 68% chance to crit heals on any spell we cast would add so much more healing to us that we would be almost unkillable for normal solo/grouping/duels and make healers useless to us. Instead of doing that they just added more heals to more of our spells and gave us Reaver. Its sorta the same thing but its more controled so things dont get out of hand. It would turn into a nightmare for balance once you get all your spells down to the 50% recast cap.

[Axxon]

<p>Well check this:</p><p> Last night I respecced back to 4/4/8 STA WIS INT (no more crit heal) and headed off to tank OOB.  Afterwards, I went back to check the tab I have crits on and found that I crit healed off my Signet of Light and Darkness.  That item (as some know) has both a DD (divine) and a heal component.  So based on that, it would seem that we can crit heal not only off our spells and CAs with a tap component in them, but also off of items like that one that do damage as well as heal.  </p><p>Just an FYI.  I am so tired of this issue and yet I am one of the ones who keeps bringing it up. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  After 3 respecs and a multitude of questions/answers on this board I think I am a believer now. </p><p>Bag the crit heals.  </p>

[Darlina]

<p>I'm a bit confused right now...</p><p>I thought max out my Heal Crit helps by increasing the Chance of a bigger Heal Amount with the Lifetaps, but what i read here makes me think I'm wasting 8 Points for nothing, so please... can someone help out and say what's right now... </p>

[Controlor]

Critting a life tap WILL crit the heal on that life tap also Spell crit is what you want. HEAL crit is put there for PALADINS. This is a balancing issue. Since paladins can use the spell crit also they put that one first the heal crit tho is for them. Spell / heal crits WILL crit off proced gear also so if you have a heal on a gear that has a % to proc it can crit with heal crit but that is so minimal to you that its NOT worth the 8 pts save those points and go put them elsewhere. Again heal crit is ment to balance your life taps getting heals by spell crit by adding HEAL crit for the PALADINS. It is a lesser % than spell crit however but still over 60%.

[Darlina]

<p>Okay, thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Since Int is maxed out, I'll put them into Str <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Krokous]

and how is it with reaver? does heal crit make reaver heal more??

[Darlina]

No, i tried everything, your Reaver Healing will always be just the 2.5% HP and never Crit,... which is really dumb...

[nihilux]

I am sure this may seem stupid. But after reading all that. It seems Legionnaires Mercy is a give or take? or something that we can really due without? I have 4 points in it. Please keep in mind that still learning all how effective each selection is, so be nice.

[Arthik]

<cite>nihilux wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am sure this may seem stupid. But after reading all that. It seems Legionnaires Mercy is a give or take? or something that we can really due without? I have 4 points in it. Please keep in mind that still learning all how effective each selection is, so be nice. </blockquote> Do without. Pallies need it, we don't.