Selling from your house and on broker

[Scotia_The_Great]

<p>I had heard that you will only be listed on the exchange/broker with one toon at a time.  So, I pulled all my material off the boards and put it all on one character.  But, often still when I log in with a different char and do a search for my selling char I get nothing.   But, if I log in under that selling character, log back out and back in with another of my toons.....the seller is there.</p><p> I have all my char on the same server and I understand that they would need to be from the same good/evil side.  These I am referencing are all Qeynos or Kelethin.  My seller is Queynos, my main (that at first doesn't see my seller in a search then after the log in/out dance does) is a Kelethin.</p><p>So......Is there a time fram that your character remains active on the exchange and then gets dropped off or something else I am missing??</p>

[Catsy]

Only items from the last character on a given account that you logged in appear on the broker. If you log in another character on the same account and same server, the first character's items will disappear from the broker. It's one of the single most r-tarded mechanics in the game, with nothing at all to justify it, but from what I understand it's not going anywhere.

[Kari]

I believe that your wares only stay on the broker for 24 hours after your character logs out. So if it has been over 24 hours, your goods will not appear when you log in with another character.

[Lord_Quaymar]

<cite>Scotia_The_Great wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I had heard that you will only be listed on the exchange/broker with one toon at a time.  So, I pulled all my material off the boards and put it all on one character.  But, often still when I log in with a different char and do a search for my selling char I get nothing.   But, if I log in under that selling character, log back out and back in with another of my toons.....the seller is there.</p><p> I have all my char on the same server and I understand that they would need to be from the same good/evil side.  These I am referencing are all Qeynos or Kelethin.  My seller is Queynos, my main (that at first doesn't see my seller in a search then after the log in/out dance does) is a Kelethin.</p><p>So......Is there a time fram that your character remains active on the exchange and then gets dropped off or something else I am missing??</p></blockquote>Aye...your stuff is taken off the market after 24 hours. Just make sure that none of your alts have anything at all on the broker. If they do, that will also bump your main seller off when you log them on.

[Natak]

Sotanyavejin@Guk wrote: <blockquote>Only items from the last character on a given account that you logged in appear on the broker. If you log in another character on the same account and same server, the first character's items will disappear from the broker. It's one of the single most r-tarded mechanics in the game, with nothing at all to justify it, but from what I understand it's not going anywhere. </blockquote>ONLY if the second character you have is also a broker. You can have one character as a broker, and play another as long as you don't activate him as a broker.

[Scotia_The_Great]

What do you mean by 'activate him as a broker'?  Have him selling anything or selling via display cases?

[Elizabette]

Activate would mean to try to sell from that toon. Example being if toon1 is my seller and i log on toon2 I am ok as long as i dont try to sell anything from toon2 via broker or house. Does anyone know if this is correct? Also is it 1 toon per account or per alignment? Thanks!

[Rijacki]

I really wish there was a pop-up box for that.  If you're selling on one character and something you do is going to activate seller mode on another.  Currently, not only isn't there some message, there isn't even information that you can only sell from one.

[Seagoat]

<p>Once upon a time, back when we sold from our house vaults, it was per alignment, but that was an "undocumented feature" that poofed when we got consignment slots on the broker.</p><p>It's <i>officially</i> always been one character per account, and I'm fairly certain that's the way it really works now.</p>

[Graywindnz]

Easest way to work it is to have 1 toon selling and remove all broker boards from houses so others can not sell even if they wanted to, also make sure all other toons have no boxs in the broker, use you shaired vault for passing stuff to them, go and pay for a 5 room house and never pay rent so u have the 5 slots to sell from, have an alt give your main toon access to his 1 room place and the main can put his or her boxes in that room to sell from. In the end youll be paying for a 1 room and selling like you owned a 5 room...<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 

[Elizabette]

<cite>Graywindnz wrote:</cite><blockquote>Easest way to work it is to have 1 toon selling and remove all broker boards from houses so others can not sell even if they wanted to, also make sure all other toons have no boxs in the broker, use you shaired vault for passing stuff to them, go and pay for a 5 room house and never pay rent so u have the 5 slots to sell from, have an alt give your main toon access to his 1 room place and the main can put his or her boxes in that room to sell from. In the end youll be paying for a 1 room and selling like you owned a 5 room...<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> I remember in the past you had to have your rent current. Is this still the case?

[Rijacki]

Loma@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Graywindnz wrote:</cite><blockquote>Easest way to work it is to have 1 toon selling and remove all broker boards from houses so others can not sell even if they wanted to, also make sure all other toons have no boxs in the broker, use you shaired vault for passing stuff to them, go and pay for a 5 room house and never pay rent so u have the 5 slots to sell from, have an alt give your main toon access to his 1 room place and the main can put his or her boxes in that room to sell from. In the end youll be paying for a 1 room and selling like you owned a 5 room...<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>I remember in the past you had to have your rent current. Is this still the case? </blockquote>Sadly, only the house where the broker cases are placed has to have the rent current.  Personally, I think it's a bit of an exploit to get a 5-room, place the items in a 1-room, and only pay rent on the 1-room in order to have the cases available in a house.

[Seagoat]

Loma@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>I remember in the past you had to have your rent current. Is this still the case? </blockquote> Your rent has to be current in order for people to visit your inn room / house to purchase directly from your consignment containers.  To keep selling, you just have to login every 24 hours to keep your items listed.

[Jerr]

<p>Which brings us to the real issue--</p><p>Change this absurd system and allow us to sell from multiple characters and for a longer period of time.</p>

[ZUES]

<p>I couldn't agree more. The existing system only allows for one character to trade but how many people only play one of their characters? Every time I log an alt on and play, I level up a bit and shop for upgrades. By doing so I unintentionally remove all my items for sale.</p><p>My other gripe is lore items. An example is we got a couple groups together and did a quick Vyemm run in labs. It was not a dkp raid but just some of us farming transmuter bait. So we rolled on stuff and I got a legendary monk item that I would hate to transmute cause it's so nice. The problem is that my alt is my seller guy and I send everything to him so people don't bug me about reducing prices during raids. The main issue is I cant mails the item to him, I cant put it in shared bank AND I have no other way to put it on my trader unless I hand it off to someone and let them hand it to my alt when I log him in. </p><p>Does anyone else see a problem with that? Why should I have to trust another player in order to hand it off to another one of my characters? I shouldn't have to! I trust my guildies and friends but it's still something I should not HAVE to do. </p><p>Please change the ability to mail or put lore items in shared bank. And PLEASE either allow us to sell on multiple characters or install some kind of system that wont change your seller if you play an alt and shop on broker. Perhaps a menu of characters to select as seller?</p>

[liveja]

<cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I couldn't agree more. The existing system only allows for one character to trade but how many people only play one of their characters? Every time I log an alt on and play, I level up a bit and shop for upgrades. By doing so I unintentionally remove all my items for sale.</p><p><span style="color: #006600">If you merely check the broker with an alt, it shouldn't be removing the items your other character is selling. The removal of items happens if you are selling with one character, then log on & set ANOTHER character to selling. Like, for example, one on a different faction. But merely logging in an alt & checking the broker shouldn't have such an effect. I do this all the time, & have never once removed the items my main had for sale.</span></p><p>Does anyone else see a problem with that? Why should I have to trust another player in order to hand it off to another one of my characters? I shouldn't have to! I trust my guildies and friends but it's still something I should not HAVE to do.</p><p><span style="color: #006600">I don't see a problem with trusting my guildies & friends to do such things for me.</span></p></blockquote>

[DngrMou]

<cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I couldn't agree more. The existing system only allows for one character to trade but how many people only play one of their characters? Every time I log an alt on and play, I level up a bit and shop for upgrades. By doing so I unintentionally remove all my items for sale.</p><p>My other gripe is lore items. An example is we got a couple groups together and did a quick Vyemm run in labs. It was not a dkp raid but just some of us farming transmuter bait. So we rolled on stuff and I got a legendary monk item that I would hate to transmute cause it's so nice. The problem is that my alt is my seller guy and I send everything to him so people don't bug me about reducing prices during raids. The main issue is I cant mails the item to him, I cant put it in shared bank AND I have no other way to put it on my trader unless I hand it off to someone and let them hand it to my alt when I log him in. </p><p>Does anyone else see a problem with that? Why should I have to trust another player in order to hand it off to another one of my characters? I shouldn't have to! I trust my guildies and friends but it's still something I should not HAVE to do. </p><p>Please change the ability to mail or put lore items in shared bank. And PLEASE either allow us to sell on multiple characters or install some kind of system that wont change your seller if you play an alt and shop on broker. Perhaps a menu of characters to select as seller?</p></blockquote><p>Hmmm.  I'm pretty sure that shopping on the broker with one toon will not delist items on another toon.  You have to put items up for sale to delist another toon.</p><p>Can't lore items be dropped in your guild bank, and retrieved by the toon you want to do the selling with? </p>

[liveja]

Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><p>Can't lore items be dropped in your guild bank</p></blockquote>No.

[ZUES]

<p>If you click on broker and click the "sell" tab to see if you have an items your looking for on that toon, it automatically sets that toon to be your seller. I have multiple level 70 toons and sometimes get complacent with the loot I grabbed on that toon. So sometimes seeing whats in their bank or what they once had for sale on broker is the only way I look for them items.</p><p>Regardless of who, what, when, where , why and how. something needs to change. Everyone has alts that they use. They should be able to use broker and their old trade boxes for items without making that the default trader.</p><p>Also, in any game, you should not have to rely on others for any part of the game play. Relying on another player to hand off something to your alt not only negates the purpose of a shared bank but opens the player up to an unnecessary risk of losing their item.</p><p><span style="color: #ff3300">Easy fix..... ALLOW LORE ITEMS TO GO IN SHARED BANK PLEASE!</span></p>

[liveja]

<cite>ZUES wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you click on broker and click the "sell" tab to see if you have an items your looking for on that toon, it automatically sets that toon to be your seller.</p><p><span style="color: #006600">Um ..... OK. Easiest suggestion is to not do that. Use your main to check for those things. Problem solved.</span></p><p>Regardless of who, what, when, where , why and how. something needs to change. Everyone has alts that they use. They should be able to use broker and their old trade boxes for items without making that the default trader.</p><p><span style="color: #006600">Everyone CAN do that. Just don't hit the freekin' "Sell" button.</span></p></blockquote>

[Jesdyr]

ZUES wrote: <blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff3300">Easy fix..... ALLOW LORE ITEMS TO GO IN SHARED BANK PLEASE!</span></p></blockquote> There is a workaround. Use broker to sell the items to your other character. Pickup a small sales crate to avoid fees. It's a pain but it will work and you dont have to trust anyone.

[SteelPiston]

<cite>Scotia_The_Great wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I had heard that you will only be listed on the exchange/broker with one toon at a time.  So, I pulled all my material off the boards and put it all on one character.  But, often still when I log in with a different char and do a search for my selling char I get nothing.   But, if I log in under that selling character, log back out and back in with another of my toons.....the seller is there.</p><p> I have all my char on the same server and I understand that they would need to be from the same good/evil side.  These I am referencing are all Qeynos or Kelethin.  My seller is Queynos, my main (that at first doesn't see my seller in a search then after the log in/out dance does) is a Kelethin.</p><p>So......Is there a time fram that your character remains active on the exchange and then gets dropped off or something else I am missing??</p></blockquote><p>I would think that this is to stop you from being able to buy from yourself and transfering cash / goods between characters. If toon "A" was the seller and had lots of items on the broker listed "Not for Sale", toon "B" would have access to them when he logged in. I think it's just to prevent people from using the broker as a bank over multiple characters. </p><p>I know that I use it as a bank for my main toon that sells from the broker. Half of the items in my containers are "not for sale". I use it to store roots etc for when I'm crafting in the tradeskill instances. It saves me from having to run to the bank to get my stash of roots and things. </p>

[Allisia]

<cite>SteelPiston wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I know that I use it as a bank for my main toon that sells from the broker. Half of the items in my containers are "not for sale". I use it to store roots etc for when I'm crafting in the tradeskill instances. It saves me from having to run to the bank to get my stash of roots and things. </p></blockquote> OMG you're brilliant. Why didn't I think of this? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Binford]

I agree on person able to sell at a time is a pain when playing both good and evil aligned characters.  As much as its a pain its not horrible but not knowing who is selling is a problem.   Maybe there could be a check mark for setting the active broker, so when checked that is the toon who's items are listed and gives a warning that any others will be removed from the market.

[Seagoat]

SteelPiston wrote: <blockquote><p>I would think that this is to stop you from being able to buy from yourself and transfering cash / goods between characters. If toon "A" was the seller and had lots of items on the broker listed "Not for Sale", toon "B" would have access to them when he logged in. I think it's just to prevent people from using the broker as a bank over multiple characters.</p></blockquote><p>I don't think it would work like that.  The only character that has access to items they have in a consignment slot but not listed for sale is that character.  Anything else <i>would</i> be an exploit.  It would be like every character on an account within an alignment having access to the other characters' non-shared bank slots...wouldn't happen.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I'd think SOE would encourage players to buy from themselves between characters, expecially if they're paying the broker fee to do it.  Money sinks FTW.  :p </p>

[ZachSpastic]

<cite>JesDer wrote:</cite><blockquote>ZUES wrote: <blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff3300">Easy fix..... ALLOW LORE ITEMS TO GO IN SHARED BANK PLEASE!</span></p></blockquote> There is a workaround. Use broker to sell the items to your other character. Pickup a small sales crate to avoid fees. It's a pain but it will work and you dont have to trust anyone. </blockquote><p>Just remember to set the list price so ridiculously high that someone else won't come along and buy the item out from under you while you're logging your alt in to make the purchase.</p><p>An expensive, though workable solution, is to have two accounts and handle Lore item swapping that way. With the newly jacked up price of Station Access, two accounts don't cost any more than one SA account. You also can then sell from two characters simultaneously. </p>

[Melianthe]

<p>I have a few questions about this 24-hour thing:</p><p> 1. Why can't we see some information about this in the game? Those who don't frequent the boards are bound to be confused as to why they didn't sell anything after 24 hours of their last log-out (especially if they play only on the weekends). I'd recommend some kind of pop-up window that tells you how long your wares will remain active as you camp out. It will need to be an informative pop-up so that it doesn't just confuse those who don't already know this 24-hour thing. Heck, I wouldn't even mind opting into an email that tells me that my broker items have just gone off the market.</p><p>2. Why is there a 24-hour limitation on wares being active? I'd love to be able to peruse everyone's goods -- not just everyone who happens to have logged in during the past 24 hours. (And, yeah, it'd make it very convenient for me to ignore the routine of logging in merely to get my vendor wares to stay available.)</p><p>3. Are they planning on dropping the 24-hour limitation any time soon? I'm looking at it as a bug right now since it's an undocumented "feature" -- perhaps I shouldn't?</p><p>Overall, I'm rather confused about why this 24-hour thing is in place. Maybe it's a limitation of the software/coding or the database or the servers or something. Maybe it's a planned thing. Anyone have any clues to lend me? Links to official posts about this? (My search brought up this thread at least, so I'm not starting a NEW thread about it. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</p>

[Seagoat]

<cite>Melianthe wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>3. Are they planning on dropping the 24-hour limitation any time soon? I'm looking at it as a bug right now since it's an undocumented "feature" -- perhaps I shouldn't?</p><p>Overall, I'm rather confused about why this 24-hour thing is in place. Maybe it's a limitation of the software/coding or the database or the servers or something. Maybe it's a planned thing. Anyone have any clues to lend me? Links to official posts about this? (My search brought up this thread at least, so I'm not starting a NEW thread about it. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )</p></blockquote><p>It's definitely not a bug; it's a documented "feature" from one of the past LUs.</p><p>It's a way to keep the economy balanced.  Delisting everything after 24 hours helps regulate extreme prices, since people will (hopefully) adjust their prices to match what's currently on the market instead of always undercut-undercut-undercut.  If everything stayed listed forever, nothing would be worth anything because of the race to undercut, and the in-game economy would collapse like EQ1's did.  (Before EQ2, 500 plat was pocket change...)</p>

[Gralthak]

While I can understand the 24 hour thing somewhat (though I'd like to see it a bit longer... not everyone can log in *every day*)... the one character rule is just silly.  It can be easily worked around so it's totally pointless, all it does it add hassle to your play.  And I'm playing a game to have fun not deal with jumping through silly administrative hoops, I do enough of that at work. At the very least they should let multiple character sell if they have the displays in the same house.

[Polywogus]

I agree that these 'features' should be better documented in game. Isn't there a small tutorial thing when you pick up your market board @ the inn for the 1st time anyway, why not add it there? The only part aside from documentation that I wish were different is the 'if you click sell on another character' thing - ugh! So silly.

[Amocus]

Sotanyavejin@Guk wrote: <blockquote>Only items from the last character on a given account that you logged in appear on the broker. If you log in another character on the same account and same server, the first character's items will disappear from the broker. It's one of the single most r-tarded mechanics in the game, with nothing at all to justify it, but from what I understand it's not going anywhere. </blockquote>Actually it does have some justification, and that is to help keep the supply on the broker down somewhat so as not to flood the market worse than it already is. Since there is no item decay in the game, if every toon, every alt, every person had, could have full broker slots up for sale, everything would be selling for 1 copper there'd be such a glut.

[Baccalarium]

Regardless of wether the mechanics of the current broker system make sense or not,   there shouldn't be nearly so much confusion as to what does and doesn't work.    The ingame interface should make it much more obvious when you've caused(or will cause)  items to be delisted by putting items for sale from another character or by not logging in some amount of time,  or by logging an alt character, or by not paying rent, etc. etc.

[Set]

I don't mind the 24 hour thing, it seems justified.  What I do mind is I just learned tonight about the 1 seller per account.  I am new to the game and I like to tradeskill.  I have been wondering for a bit now why my items were selling so sporadically.  When I learned about the 1 seller rule I yelled at my buddy for not telling me about it.  He has played for a couple of years now.  His highest level is a 62.  He plays sporadically but is fairly knowledgeable about the game.... The man has played for two years now and didn't know about this feature.  Granted he could have researched it but should he really need to? There needs to be a way to pick a seller and to change that seller you have to do it manually through an option. 

[LadyGrelka]

I started playing less then 6 months after the game came out and I never heard about the 24hour rule or the only one toon per account rule.  I think the 24 hour rule should be 48 hours and the one toon per account should just be gotten rid of.  It is very stupid.

[StormCinder]

<p>I believe it's actually one seller per account PER SERVER.  Doesn't help in most cases, but just another thing that you may not be aware of.</p><p>SC</p>

[Valdaglerion]

Loma@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Graywindnz wrote:</cite><blockquote>Easest way to work it is to have 1 toon selling and remove all broker boards from houses so others can not sell even if they wanted to, also make sure all other toons have no boxs in the broker, use you shaired vault for passing stuff to them, go and pay for a 5 room house and never pay rent so u have the 5 slots to sell from, have an alt give your main toon access to his 1 room place and the main can put his or her boxes in that room to sell from. In the end youll be paying for a 1 room and selling like you owned a 5 room...<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> I remember in the past you had to have your rent current. Is this still the case? </blockquote><p> No and quite honestly I consider it an exploit. I would like to see the landlords seize their goods and remove them from the broker for non-paymnet of rent. The owner should have to pay rent to current to get their goods back as well. If after 30 days on non-payment you forfeit your goods and your house and get evicted.</p><p>The farmers use this technique extensively. Since they have multiple accounts, they use one toon from each account to buy a mansion put boxes on the broker and never pay rent on the house. Whats even stupider is if you dont pay rent for months and all teh sudden want to get all the stuff you shoved in the house vault or put in the house for storage originally you only have to pay a weeks rent, they dont charge back rent. Dumb dumb dumb....</p>

[Buttertart]

Is it one character as broker per *server* or per *account* ??