Thinking of troub, I had a bard in eq1 are they still jack of all trades master of none?

[Lovori]

The title pretty much saids it all, I see alot of people ranting about troubs and if this is there role then I do not see the big issue personally.

[Tri]

I'll just make a list of what a troub will do, you'll get to judge by yourself Part 1, passive playstyle : choose 5 buffs and cast them, fight starts, cast your encounter debuffs, then single target ones -  STR and AGI -  WIS and small DoT ( toggle the spell off if mezzing ) -  Offensive skills ( lvl 55 spell ) -  Resist debuff ( lvl 35, very small ) -  The encounter's non damage spells last 25% less longer, the DoTs last longer, thus slower ticks ( EoF end line AA, if it's a spell doing both, like the Stiffle DoT in EH, the duration is also increased ) -  Snare, 5% chance to break if damaged ( breaks after 4 hits in average... ) also adds a mental damage debuff, always do this in order to do decent damage as the resist debuff stays even when the snare is broken. -  Defense debuff, also makes target burn more power for spells, a small % of power used is dealt as damage ( not even 1% of your total damage, very very small ) -  flank attack, 1 sec recast, 10 sec duration , debuffs resists -  stealth attack, 10 sec recast , 20 sec duration , 0.5 casting time but stealth has a 2 sec cast , debuffs INT part 2 , active playstyle -  Mezz , single target 28 sec duration , 15 sec recast ( lvl 50 , the lvl 70 upgrade has a duration of 32 secs ) -  Charm, 2.5 casting time and 8 seconds duration at lvl 20, 14 seconds at lvl 62 -  Precision of the Maestro , 20 seconds of procs on spells every 2 minutes, level 58 -  Jester's Cap, single raid friend buff reducing recast timers, 30 seconds duration, 30 seconds recast but you have to wait 2 minutes before casting it on the same player. level 65 Toss  in 2 combat arts ( one of them being a power depleter )  ,  3 single target DD spells, one of em gives you a nice amount of mana when it hits, one of them has a 2 sec casting time on a 5 sec recast time, an instant encounter interupt, which is a great spell but not easy to use as you will always be casting something. Add to that chain armor and dual wielding weapons and you get yourself a troubador, not even the master of the jack of all trades in this game, more of a mage fluffer. None the less they are fun to play  <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cuz]

A swash is a jack of all trades. We're a support class.

[Novusod]

The Dirge is the jack of all trades master of none. The Troubador is a master at increasing group dps. Our main DPS buff leaves us stunned so there is not really much else we can do.

[RanmaBoyType]

<p><blockquote>Our main DPS buff leaves us stunned so there is not really much else we can do. </blockquote></p><p>Why does every whiny troubador say this?  All it does is root you and stop auto attack.  you can however still use every combat art and spell in range.  If you think a little bit about your position, combined with available spells before you use precision of the maestro then you will be just fine on damage.</p><p>And before someone argues "it is not worth it if there is only one mob in the group"  then again, why the such slack troubadors around.  You have 20 some other things you can do on a single mob other than precision of the meastro..</p><p>It is starting to look more and more to me that troubies are whiney, which is sad, cause the troubador is a great class to play.  It is kind of like a mage complaining about their raid dps.  Sounds like a "learn how to play your class" argument to me.</p>

[Jeger_Wulf]

<p>> It is starting to look more and more to me that troubies are whiney, which is > sad, cause the troubador is a great class to play.</p><p>You're entitled to your opinion, but in mine, the troub is a very boring, but needed raid class. If you are looking for a solo, grouping, or interesting toon, then look somewhere else. If I had to do it over, Jeger would not have been a troubadour.</p><p>You can't call me whiny, because I love EQ2, and enjoy every other toon I play.</p>

[Spider]

<cite>Jeger_Wulf wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>> It is starting to look more and more to me that troubies are whiney, which is > sad, cause the troubador is a great class to play.</p><p>You're entitled to your opinion, but in mine, the troub is a very boring, but needed raid class. If you are looking for a solo, grouping, or interesting toon, then look somewhere else. If I had to do it over, Jeger would not have been a troubadour.</p><p>You can't call me whiny, because I love EQ2, and enjoy every other toon I play.</p></blockquote> and that prevents people from calling you whiney how ???

[ForgottenFoundling]

<cite>RanmaBoyType wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>Our main DPS buff leaves us stunned so there is not really much else we can do. </blockquote><p>Why does every whiny troubador say this?  All it does is root you and stop auto attack.  you can however still use every combat art and spell in range.  If you think a little bit about your position, combined with available spells before you use precision of the maestro then you will be just fine on damage.</p><p>And before someone argues "it is not worth it if there is only one mob in the group"  then again, why the such slack troubadors around.  You have 20 some other things you can do on a single mob other than precision of the meastro..</p><p>It is starting to look more and more to me that troubies are whiney, which is sad, cause the troubador is a great class to play.  It is kind of like a mage complaining about their raid dps.  Sounds like a "learn how to play your class" argument to me</p></blockquote><p>It pisses us off because of the effect.  On a single target mob, it'll drop my dps by 30% or more, this will only increase as time goes on due to auto attack increasing per tier and PotM not getting updated.  Our counterparts "similar" spell does not cripple them at all or take power over time (auto attack procs vs spells); while still helping the group/raid tremendously with dps and mob interrupting.</p><p>If this is a significant part of our "utility", it sounds like we have a right to be [Removed for Content] off. </p>

[Lovori]

<p>Geeee last time I go into these forums, there is not anything constructive except for 2 replys in here. I didnt ask for you to hjack my thread you could of been constructive and explained why you dislike the class but in a appropriate manner. Anyways I have mixed feelings about dirge because they do songs of negative seems that might just depress me when I hear the songs lol.</p>

[Novusod]

I am probably one of the least whiney toubadors here. If I had to do it over again I would definately pick toubador because I really do like the class. I like how I never run out of power. I like how I have the least hate in the group and am usually the last to die in the raid. I even plan to make a PvP troubador sometime in the future if devs would just fix our resist rates. It just really PO's me that one of our signature spells turns me into a criple and if I am not carefull it will certainly lead to my death. For those that don't know you can't just stand next to most raid mobs and expect to live. I am not trying to hijack your thread but I do honestly think you would be happier as a dirge. I have seen a dirge tank and clear Unrest without a single wipe. I have seen a dirge two levels under me kill my twinked warden in PvP. The truth of the matter is the dirge can do a lot of things and is the real jack of all trades while the troubador is a niche class that fills very specific roles.

[Lovori]

Hmmm well does it really seem like to play songs of despair? I really enjoyed the positive look of bards in eq1 why this is why it might bother me. Dirge just seems to be a little on the darker side to me hehe, also can you respec aas as many times as you want?

[Novusod]

No, you cannot respec as many times as you want. You can respec once for free and then It will cost ten gold for the second respec, 100 gold for third respec, 10 plat for forth respec. If after a month of no respecing the cost will drop back to ten gold.

[Lovori]

Ok so after the plat cost you cannot respec anymore until another month?

[Jeger_Wulf]

<p>> and that prevents people from calling you whiney how ??? </p><p>LOL Spider - you can call me whiny any time you want I guess. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[aelder~]

<p>I am not sure what the frequency of free respecs is, but you can now do it often enough to play around without incurring significant cost.  I have done it around 5 times and never paid even 1 copper.</p><p>Despite our not so constructive thoughts, I still love the bard and would encourage a troubador.  We are are a fun enough class to level up and play; above perhaps level 50 don't expect to be a fast leveler though as your solo ability is fairly weak and groups don't build themselves around troubadors.  </p><p>The negativity you hear from us is primarily frustration that builds at level 70 once the primary entertainment is raid action.</p><p>Happy hunting,</p><p>Aelder</p>

[Frigid2000]

<p>Depends what you like.</p><p>If you like to solo, don't play a troub.</p><p>If you like to group/raid and be desired for both, then play a troub.</p>

[Lovori]

Thanks, ill probably go troub then since no one will tell me what the music is like on dirge thanks for the advice and info everyone I appreciate it.