Suggestion: % command for Target's Target

[Mythal_EQ2]

<p>The new macro system is lovely... and I would love to utilize it more, especially in raids. However, since in raids one usually targets through a Main Assist player, having a macro that says, for example "Manaburning <target> -- Immune for 30 sec" or whatever else, cannot be done with the usual %T.</p><p>Now, of course one can say, just switch to the mob, use the macro and then back to the MA... for simplicity's sake though, could you add a % command that would give back the Target's Target instead? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Soul_Dreamer]

<p>Even if you don't have a constant MA.. this would work, just edit it when your MA changes from raid to raid /Assist <MA Name> /shout Manaburning/Lifeburning %T /usea <Spell Name> /Target <MA Name></p>

[Mythal_EQ2]

<p>Unfortunately, that doesn't work, because it takes a little time -- maybe 0.5 sec, but that's enough -- for the /assist command to go through and change target, whereas the /shout (or any other /speak) command is instant. So you end up using the old %T rather than the one after /assist.</p>

[Lyndro-EQ2]

That's a really nice suggestion, not sure why it doesn't exist already.  No promises, but I'll get it on our wish list.

[Zenith]

<p>I would dealry love such a command, like %tt or something. ESP for my illusionist, then I could make a warning macro for Phase (Phasing %tt ) so the tank knows not to rescue and end up getting phased themselves.</p><p>For for my monk too, Mend to %tt! Or my dirge for oration and buffs -plots-</p><p>Oh! If the mob / player as nothing targetted can you make it default to the person/mob you're directly targetting (bascially %t when the object targetted has nothing else targetted)</p>

[Galithdor]

I agree..this should be added heh

[Prrasha]

While %TT (target's target) would be useful on its own, I think more useful would be a %Ally and %Foe type designation. So, if Main Tank and Boss Mob are targetting each other, %Foe would return "Boss Mob" and %Ally would return "Main Tank" regardless of which one you had targetted at the time. This way, the same "Using offensive skill number seventeen on %Foe!" and "Using healing skill number three on %Ally!" macros work correctly no matter who you have targetted. (edit made for silly grammar mistake)

[Catsy]

Agreed--there needs to be a substitution code that returns whichever ally/foe is targeted, since most of our spells target only an ally or a foe, regardless of whether or not they are the primary target.

[Findara]

While we are at it, how about a last tell target, Everquest one had it. example player /tell conj give me shard conj /replytarget /usea Shard spell /tt you got a shard

[mellowknees72]

Loli@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>While we are at it, how about a last tell target, Everquest one had it. example player /tell conj give me shard conj /replytarget /usea Shard spell /tt you got a shard </blockquote><p> Can't I just get a command that tells the last person who sent me a tell that I'm not giving them a shard unless they say please? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Seriously, though, %TT would be great!</p><p>(And I STILL want to see a /pause command made available!)</p>

[Thatdumbg]

Actually, to flesh this out a little bit more, I would have two more % commands: One for your target or your target's target, whichever is friendly, and the second for your target or target's target, whichever is hostile. That way I would no longer use my save death on a named raid mob, and our necromancers wouldn't be lifeburning their MA's, regardless of whether the hostile target is implied or direct.

[Prrasha]

Ulfgar@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote>Actually, to flesh this out a little bit more, I would have two more % commands: One for your target or your target's target, whichever is friendly, and the second for your target or target's target, whichever is hostile. That way I would no longer use my save death on a named raid mob, and our necromancers wouldn't be lifeburning their MA's, regardless of whether the hostile target is implied or direct. </blockquote> Um... isn't that exactly what I said a few posts ago? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Lornick]

While %foe or %friend would be nice, I would be extremely happy with just %tt.

[Wilin]

<p>It's much more useful to use an /assist MA hotkey so you can do negative things to the mob and positive things to the mob's target.</p>

[Prrasha]

<cite>Wilin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It's much more useful to use an /assist MA hotkey so you can do negative things to the mob and positive things to the mob's target.</p></blockquote>While useful, it still doesn't lend a good way to macro "I'm casting (beneficial spell) on (name)".  I'm not sure that an /assist macro helps either the people who want %(target's target), or the people who want %friend and %foe... so I'm unsure why you would bring it up in this thread.

[Sa'meria]

<cite>Prrasha wrote:</cite><blockquote>While %TT (target's target) would be useful on its own, I think more useful would be a %Ally and %Foe type designation. So, if Main Tank and Boss Mob are targetting each other, %Foe would return "Boss Mob" and %Ally would return "Main Tank" regardless of which one you had targetted at the time. This way, the same "Using offensive skill number seventeen on %Foe!" and "Using healing skill number three on %Ally!" macros work correctly no matter who you have targetted. (edit made for silly grammar mistake) </blockquote> I like idea a lot. It would be great. Even if it was as simple at %ET for enemy target or %AT for Ally target.

[Faymar]

<cite>Prrasha wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wilin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It's much more useful to use an /assist MA hotkey so you can do negative things to the mob and positive things to the mob's target.</p></blockquote>While useful, it still doesn't lend a good way to macro "I'm casting (beneficial spell) on (name)".  I'm not sure that an /assist macro helps either the people who want %(target's target), or the people who want %friend and %foe... so I'm unsure why you would bring it up in this thread. </blockquote>The thing is, other than rezzing, is there usually any point in telling everyone what you are casting and on whom? I love the new macro system but it does seem like everyone is now spamming every single action that they are doing ... and worse triplicating it in /say /group and /raid just to make sure that you didn't miss that they are actually doing something...

[Mythal_EQ2]

<p>It's been a couple of months, so I figured I might as well give this a little bump. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>If Lyndro could give an update as to whether this is still a viable suggestion, it would really be greatly appreciated <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[chily]

<cite>Soul_Dreamer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Even if you don't have a constant MA.. this would work, just edit it when your MA changes from raid to raid /Assist <MA Name> /shout Manaburning/Lifeburning %T /usea <Spell Name> /Target <MA Name></p></blockquote><p> I never target the Ma Directly i allways assist him. So /Assist MA-Name is a main Macro normaly. It's better to know who has aggro atm, my coercer saved not only once a wizzi with the 2secs stun or my brig with apeal for mercy on a aggro grabber .. or my sk with FD. And our Wizzards just do /r Manaburn inc save me. (Who cares what the target is when it's dead in next 3 secs? lol) MA = Main assist .. you should assist not target <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Baccalarium]

I'd very much like the %friend %enemy.     There are situations where /target  MT and heal is valid and situations where /assist MA  and heal is valid.   A %impliedtarget  would only work for one or the other of those, while %friend would work on either. On the other had the current system you can tell real quick which healers aren't following the RL instructions to heal through a mob.