troub vs illu

[Myr]

ok, simple question, but probably a complicated answer which is better for a wizard who is grouped with scouts (raiding)  a troub or an illu? pros and cons thanks <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[simpwrx02]

A Troub, the deaggro is far better than anything else as a dead wizzy's dps=0.  The illu will add more dps if you get time compression and can be much better for keeping power on long fights, but they have almost no deaggro.  Now for total raid dps the illu will be better as he can put some insane haste on all of the scouts. If you can get both in the gruop it would make a nice set up.

[SacDaddy420]

1st off.....bust some [Removed for Content] then [Removed for Content] at your raid leader until he puts you in the real mage group.   You know, the one with a troub AND an illusi   2,   I dont see why you even should have to make the choice, unless its just cuz there are no other options.  A troubs' buffs are hella gonna go to waste in a melee dominated group.  I guess if you had to make the choice make it the illus.   becuase then not only can he buff you with TC, he can haste buff the melee'ers and give the top one illusionary arms.  There should allready be a dirge in that group.  3.  If you have a surplus of active main troubadors, and cant find a group for one, I'll take one off your hands.      <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Myr]

yeah sac, it seems like it's gonna be one or the other.  I went into more detail on the "other, more open" forums. Thanks for the inputs though

[TsarRasput]

In my guild my group is generally Myself Troub Illusionist Fury Assassin <One other lucky SoB> The Assassin and I are the top parsers, and we get the buffing to take it even higher

[Azmoran]

<p>No Illusionist in my guild and we finally got a Troub after months and months not having one. I'm happy to be up at the top of the parses again with my fellow casters. =p And I would take a Troub over an Illu anyday if I had to pick between them. But ya both would be nice. </p><p>But I can see if you don't have utility in every group why he would split the Illu to another group. Not all guilds are blessed with the perfect class make ups and balance.</p><p> EDIT: Why are you in with scouts period? Does your RL dislike you, or think you are low DPS? Wizards need correct support classes on raids to shine. If he's putting you there cause you don't DPS as high as other classes, it's not cause you suck it's cause he's a [I cannot control my vocabulary]{Yes, I can. You are overly sensitive to some words, grow some thicker skin} and needs to put in you a better freaking group.</p>

[Myr]

<cite>TsarRasputin wrote:</cite><blockquote>In my guild my group is generally Myself Troub Illusionist Fury Assassin <One other lucky SoB> The Assassin and I are the top parsers, and we get the buffing to take it even higher </blockquote>can I be in your group Tsar? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[SacDaddy420]

  well then from what i have been told here is what i believe would be best for the over all success of your raid:  Have Myrah and the other wizard in the same group, with the troub.   The benefits of having her STR buff with the scouts are far lass because without at least a troubs ' support, a wiz cant really do jack.   And if you are trying to make a wiz a buff bot you have problems.   For now place the illusi in with the scouts.  This way both mage and melee have a regen, mages get the hate redux/procs from the troub and melee can get haste and one top dps'er (pref a ranger) can get illusionary arms.  the illusi can cast synergism cross raid.  have him sacrifice a haste or two two augment your wizards from afar.  Have him TC the healer ( INQ) as time compression only works on spells, does nothing for CA's.  Now after that, your number one priority should be a dirge in the melee group.   Illusionists belong in a mage group IMO.  Right now they are doin sick DPS, but its from alot of support (i.e. PoTM, Frigid Gift).  Dont deny that.   And TC is made for wizards.   We cast the slowest, and get the most benefit from it. 

[Azmoran]

<p>This is one of the PM's I sent him. Putting it out here to hope maybe he can get his RL to read this and get the guy the support from the raid that he needs.</p><p>"Well good luck, them needing your STR/INT buffs is a load of crap, you put mixed melee together and all there buffs help each other out far more then your one little STR buff for them. It's a waste to have you there.</p><p> With a Troub, you get the Deaggro, you get Jester's Cap (which is by far the best for Wizards/Warlocks off the bat to drop the big bombs and get them back fast) and Precision of the Maestro which gives proc dmg to every cast. So Troub jester caps you, you drop big slow bombs, then they PoM and you cast all your little fast spells putting out a ton of dmg from all the procing on every spell.</p><p>There is no way you can put out the numbers of a Scout without Troub/Illu. If you do get a Illu instead of Troub, then try to get a Paladin in there to Amends you, that will help a lot with aggro, or a Guardian can also Moderate. Worst case if you can get a Coercer to give you Harmounious link. That's cross raid so the Coercer doesn't even have to be in same group.</p><p>Good luck on educating your guild about how to properly deploy a Wizard in a raid."</p><p>Educate this RL! Tossed some suggestions not knowing total raid setup.</p><p>EDIT: Asked him in another if the RL is putting a Dirge or Coercer in the Scout groups which is way better then a Troub for them.</p>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<cite>Azmoran wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>"There is no way you can put out the numbers of a Scout without Troub/Illu. </p></blockquote> there were some good points in there, but this one is pretty narrow.  I'd have to disagree with this.