Ro Cloak vs Cloak of Unrest vs Cloak of Zet

[Darien al'Staff]

title says it all, which one is best for a raid wizard? i'm -really- leaning towards: Unrest > Ro > Zet but have no physical proof to back it up thoughts?

[kingdeke]

<p>CoF? on a caster?</p><p>It'd be more like unrest>burning prince>vincenzi's>zet>crafted>pink EH trash one>CoF</p>

[Azmoran]

<cite>kingdeke wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>CoF? on a caster?</p><p>It'd be more like unrest>burning prince>vincenzi's>zet>crafted>pink EH trash one>CoF</p></blockquote>Burning Prince is better then Unrest cloak imo. Unrest is just a Zet cloak with Stats which isn't as good as Sol Ro's Cloak.

[kingdeke]

Unrest is higher proc rate though isnt it?

[Mareth]

<cite>Azmoran wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kingdeke wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>CoF? on a caster?</p><p>It'd be more like unrest>burning prince>vincenzi's>zet>crafted>pink EH trash one>CoF</p></blockquote>Burning Prince is better then Unrest cloak imo. Unrest is just a Zet cloak with Stats which isn't as good as Sol Ro's Cloak. </blockquote>Unrest reduces cooldown, Zet reduces casting. That's a pretty huge difference.

[Azmoran]

<p>But the proc is only 12 seconds /shrug Gonna eyeball to see when if finally procs to cast IN, Fusion or MB?</p><p> Just doesn't seem worth it to me.</p>

[MemD.]

Cloak of Unrest procs 1,8 times per minute for 30 seconds with 10% reuse reduction, can't beat that...

[Bright_Morn]

MemD. wrote: <blockquote>Cloak of Unrest procs 1,8 times per minute for 30 seconds with 10% reuse reduction, can't beat that... </blockquote> This means with any minimal amount of spell haste it is going to stay up nearly all the time! woo! Now if the darn thing would just drop for me.

[HippyKnight]

<p>Firstly I think he meant cloak of the burning prince not cloak of flames.. however..</p><p>The comparison is pretty complicated and certainly theres alot more to it than 'Unrest is just a Zet cloak with Stats'... aside from the fact that the cloak of zet does have stats .. 10int and 12int/wis on unrest. </p><p>Firstly Cloak of the Burning prince has no effect on: inferno surge, surging tempest, protoferno, forge of ro, frigid gift, ice shield also it scales _horribly_ with aoe's - fusion picks up +22 from memory and fiery inferno even worse at +8 or something per target.. I dont think all this can be outright ignored when considering +spell dmg items/adorns. </p><p>Secondly Cloak of Zet is a 3% chance to proc on a successful _hostile_ spell. That works out to about 0.6x per minute against a single target for 10% _cast_ haste. However since it is a 'hostile spell' type item it wont proc when casting iceshield, forge of ro, frigid gift, catalyst, inferno surge or when pumping power. Even when chain casting without any power problems your average wiz might spend up to 15% of the time not actually casting a directly hostile spell that will actually proc anything. So .. like all hostile spell procs.. they usually proc less than their stated amount against a single target, even with the agi line. However when aoe'ing against say 5 targets each aoe will have 5x the chance to proc the zet cloak (one chance per target).</p><p>Cloak of unrest is nothing like the cloak of zet. For starters it is 10% recast haste, not cast haste. Also it is 1.8x per minute not 0.6x. And importantly it is not a hostile only spell proc. That is, it is a 'when target casts a spell' type proc. This cloak procs on everything.. not just hostile spells.. iceshield, forge of ro, pumping power, CoQ and evac, buffing and summoning pets, entertainment spells, activateable items and potions heck it even procs when summoning your horse =D. </p><p>Not that most of these spells are of use.. but I'm just pointing out that it is a quite different type of proc. Also I'm fairly sure that unfortunately when aoe'ing these type of procs do not have a chance to go off per target, its simply the cast time that determines its proc%. Another thing to note is that this cloak does not effect the recast of the spell that procc'ed it. So if you cast manaburn for example and it procs the cloak the recast time will read 4.26 (i think thats the usual agi line recast) rather than 4.05 which you would have got if you manaburned while the buff was actually active. </p><p>I just thought I'd clarify some things before someone comes along and does some calculations etc..</p>

[MemD.]

<cite>Bright_Morn wrote:</cite><blockquote>MemD. wrote: <blockquote>Cloak of Unrest procs 1,8 times per minute for 30 seconds with 10% reuse reduction, can't beat that... </blockquote> This means with any minimal amount of spell haste it is going to stay up nearly all the time! woo! Now if the darn thing would just drop for me. </blockquote> I'm testing it in Emerald Halls atm... got spell modifier in my grp so it procs 2,7 times per minute... its ALWAYS up now lol <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[TheGReddy]

<p>Just to make clear, Casting Speed vs. Reuse</p><p>Ok say your casting is like 100% faster somehow. Ball of Lava, Ice Comet, Incapacitate, ect... OH now your all out of your big nukes and all you have is your crappy sunstrike or w/e it is called. Now you need to wait a while for your big nukes to come losing precious dps time.</p><p>Ok now say you happen to have 100% recast reducer. Ball of Lava, Ice Comet, Incapacitate, ect...Hey what do you know, my Ice Comet is back up so fast. Now i dont have to wait to cast my big nukes.</p><p>In other words. Cloak of Zet is crap compared to Cloak of Unrest. </p><p>***the cloaks dont really take out 100%, that was just an example</p>

[Nastharl]

Thats not recast vs. reuse, thats casting speed/time vs. reuse.

[valkyrja]

<cite>TheGReddy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just to make clear, Recast vs. Reuse</p><p>Ok say your casting is like 100% faster somehow. Ball of Lava, Ice Comet, Incapacitate, ect... OH now your all out of your big nukes and all you have is your crappy sunstrike or w/e it is called. Now you need to wait a while for your big nukes to come losing precious dps time.</p><p>Ok now say you happen to have 100% recast reducer. Ball of Lava, Ice Comet, Incapacitate, ect...Hey what do you know, my Ice Comet is back up so fast. Now i dont have to wait to cast my big nukes.</p><p>In other words. Cloak of Zet is crap compared to Cloak of Unrest. </p><p>***the cloaks dont really take out 100%, that was just an example</p></blockquote>THough I agree that the Unrest cloak is far superior, you clearly don't understand the benefit of faster casting.  Over time, the ability to cast faster let's you cast MORE spells.  Casting more spells in the same time period cannot decrease DPS.  It's pretty simple math, really.

[TheGReddy]

Oh whoops sorry<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> yeah it should be casting speed vs. recast

[TheGReddy]

<cite>valkyrja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TheGReddy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just to make clear, Recast vs. Reuse</p><p>Ok say your casting is like 100% faster somehow. Ball of Lava, Ice Comet, Incapacitate, ect... OH now your all out of your big nukes and all you have is your crappy sunstrike or w/e it is called. Now you need to wait a while for your big nukes to come losing precious dps time.</p><p>Ok now say you happen to have 100% recast reducer. Ball of Lava, Ice Comet, Incapacitate, ect...Hey what do you know, my Ice Comet is back up so fast. Now i dont have to wait to cast my big nukes.</p><p>In other words. Cloak of Zet is crap compared to Cloak of Unrest. </p><p>***the cloaks dont really take out 100%, that was just an example</p></blockquote>THough I agree that the Unrest cloak is far superior, you clearly don't understand the benefit of faster casting.  Over time, the ability to cast faster let's you cast MORE spells.  Casting more spells in the same time period cannot decrease DPS.  It's pretty simple math, really. </blockquote>Hmm i suppose you are right. I guess i was thinking more along the lines of longer battes not short ones like trash mobs or grouping. I guess the Cloak of Zet can be useful in many situations.<img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />