Level 70 Fae's population, indicator for balancing issues?

[Faelgalad]

<p>Here the numbers for the Fae Level 70 population from all servers. </p><p>Assassin: 0</p><p>Inquisitor: 1</p><p>Necromancer: 1</p><p>Bruiser: 2</p><p>Defiler: 2</p><p>Shadowknights: 3</p><p>Brigant: 4</p><p>Coercer: 7</p><p>Paladin: 11</p><p>Guardian: 16</p><p>Troubadour: 21</p><p>Ranger: 26</p><p>Templer: 27</p><p>Mystics: 29</p><p>Monk: 32</p><p>Swashbuckler: 32</p><p>Berserker: 33</p><p>Warlock: 34</p><p>Dirge: 34</p><p>Illusionists: 41</p><p>Conjurer: 42</p><p>Warden: 49</p><p>Wizard: 55</p><p>Fury: 83</p><p>Developers, please do something for Paladins and Troubadours!</p><p>The comparable low numbers of Guardians is, I guess, a factum with enough Raid MT Guardians running arround. </p><p>Look to Vanguard, Paladin and Bard are nice classes their. Look into the feedback the community gives. A quarter of all Fae Paladins have betrayed!</p>

[Galithdor]

Heh those are for level 70 fae...and umm...nothing is wrong with paladins in my eyes.

[steelbadger]

Heh.  Heh.  Heh. It's nice to see that the Assassin class hasn't been tainted by the aweful cutesy-ness of Fae. <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Snowdonia]

Algazeed@Runnyeye wrote: <blockquote>Heh.  Heh.  Heh. It's nice to see that the Assassin class hasn't been tainted by the aweful cutesy-ness of Fae. <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>*now plans to make a Fae Assassin as soon as they allow more character slots* <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Daghammerskold]

Unless my math is wrong (and I didn't check it twice) what your numbers indicate is that slightly over a third of the level 70 Fae chose classes with the new teleport ability. Since the class I play doesn't get teleport and travel time to the EoF zones sucks so bad, I too have always felt that was an imbalance.

[liveja]

<cite>Faelgalad wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The comparable low numbers of Guardians is, I guess, a factum with enough Raid MT Guardians running arround. </p></blockquote> How do you explain the large number of Fae Berserkers?

[Sebastien]

<p>Why did you limit your study to Fae?  In doing so you put some inherent bias into your poll, making it hard to draw any conclusions.</p><p>For example you think that the reason there are few Fae paladins is because the class is bad.  I could instead say I think the reason is that most people who enjoy playing paladins do not see the Fae as a suitable race for it, due to tastes, archetype images, etc.</p><p>Which one of us is right?  Iono.  But that's the point. =)</p>

[Illmarr]

Gee, a new race was introduced. Concurrently a new and very attractive new ability for four classes was added. It's not rocket science to come to the conclusion that a high percentage of the people that are creating a new character will create one that has this sparkling new fun ability. So to answer the question, the level 70 Fae population has zero to do with class balance issues gamewide.

[HetheMan]

That list is... funny.  Not funny haha, funny strange.  Thaumaturg?  Brigant?  Templer? Ok, so you mispelled Brigand and Templar, I'm just teasing about those, but Thaumaturg?  What is a Thaumaturg?  Am I spelling this right?

[Natak]

<cite>HetheMan wrote:</cite><blockquote>That list is... funny.  Not funny haha, funny strange.  Thaumaturg?  Brigant?  Templer? Ok, so you mispelled Brigand and Templar, I'm just teasing about those, but Thaumaturg?  What is a Thaumaturg?  Am I spelling this right? </blockquote>Probably from a European server. IIRC, they call conjurors Thaurmaturg, etc.

[HetheMan]

The only class missing is Illusionist, so Illusionists must be Thaumaturgs in Europe.  Thanks for enlightening me.  Do Europeans not know the word Illusion?  (Of course they do, I'm just pointing out the strangeness of keeping all the names the same save one) For curiosity, can anyone from Europe explain why the devs would change Illusionist to Thaumaturg for European players?

[KudLenka]

<cite>HetheMan wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only class missing is Illusionist, so Illusionists must be Thaumaturgs in Europe.  Thanks for enlightening me.  Do Europeans not know the word Illusion?  (Of course they do, I'm just pointing out the strangeness of keeping all the names the same save one) For curiosity, can anyone from Europe explain why the devs would change Illusionist to Thaumaturg for European players? </blockquote><p> its not "in Europe" we speak many different languages in Europe and EQ2 offers german interface as well as english. my bet is the thaimaturg comes from the german verison of the game and as for why - its because german is different language and may have different word for illusion/illusionist. </p>

[EpokSilvermo]

According to my trusted online dictionary at dict.leo org, thaumaturge (english) translates to thaumaturg (german). Where as illusionist translates to Illusionist or Zauberer. Furthermore it is noted that a thaumaturge is a surname to some greek saints. Funny is that Zauberer translates to wizard, warlock, conjurer, necromancer, enchanter, etc. Thank you very much for your attention <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Forsaken1]

Algazeed@Runnyeye wrote: <blockquote>Heh.  Heh.  Heh. It's nice to see that the Assassin class hasn't been tainted by the aweful cutesy-ness of Fae. <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> I have a level 32 Fae Assassin. He'll be up there soon ...

[Sunlei]

<p> Looks like the same popular classes as most any other race. Surprised to see so few lvl 70s. Where did you get the numbers from and how many 20,30,40,50s fae are there? classes?</p><p>  Only a few of those classes can start as evil city or good city, like fury. Always though that was why there are more of them in general.  Were Fae only 'good' classes up to recently? With the betray added, was it added? I guess some will change to evil classes.</p><p>   I agree with you that Troubadors could have balancing problems that make them not fun to play at lower levels. If you read about Troubs. they have been discussing changes for a long time. And developers have made changes to the class mostly removing stuff.  Did increase melee a bit? not noticable like slice and dice with a real melee dps class. At the lower lvls to me, they aren't much fun to play. Especially when first charm spell was nurfed to 8 seconds and they don't get any mez till very high lvls. So I guess that's why Troubs aren't as popular Fae as a more powerfull scout class. Who likes to play a weak solo scout with good group buffs at low lvls? not me, I'll always be bitter over losing a good decent duration charm hehe <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and if the developers 'scale' troub spells like people are asking for you know they won't make the higher level spells better they will just nurf the lower lvl spells and "say see now the spells scale, yay!" will just make lower lvls worse, thanks <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p><p> Didn't soe add 'change to Qeynos' as home city so those who don't care to run to the docks as newbie can change to live in Qeynos. Just one run and you're done, you can even die across that LF zone hardly any death punishment..take the death taxi <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  People can ask a wizard for a port to Commenlands or Ant. and then you're there. Takes a / (see whos in zone) and a tell asking for a port , this is not a single player game ask for a port. Ask your guild.</p><p> Oh well like to see more Fae stats for lower lvls, compaired to other races than just Fae. And where the stats came from.  </p>

[HetheMan]

<cite>KudLenka wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>HetheMan wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only class missing is Illusionist, so Illusionists must be Thaumaturgs in Europe.  Thanks for enlightening me.  Do Europeans not know the word Illusion?  (Of course they do, I'm just pointing out the strangeness of keeping all the names the same save one) For curiosity, can anyone from Europe explain why the devs would change Illusionist to Thaumaturg for European players? </blockquote><p> its not "in Europe" we speak many different languages in Europe and EQ2 offers german interface as well as english. my bet is the thaimaturg comes from the german verison of the game and as for why - its because german is different language and may have different word for illusion/illusionist. </p><p>I only said "in Europe" because someone else had said "European Servers."  Did Germany move out of Europe?  I looked up Thaumaturg on Wikipedia and one of its translations is a "wonder-worker."  It has German roots so, the German version is likely where Thaumaturg comes from.  </p> <p>p.s.  Many different languages?!  I thought all Europeans spoke Europanese!  </p></blockquote>

[HetheMan]

ummm, haven't figured out the whole quoting thing yet, as demonstrated above.  obviously KudLenka didn't write all that, my words are in the first box, then again from the second paragraph on.

[Glenolas]

<p>I don't see any reason the Fae race should be balanced across the classes.   Throughout the mythology that involved good Fae, they were associated with casting or healing, and sure enough, your data has a strong bias toward those classes in EQII.  </p><p>The startling thing is that there are less than 600 in the entire game across all servers.    If your data is valid, it's  a strinkingly low number.</p><p> It takes about 3 months to level a character to 70 if you do all the quests you can, and don't grind.  I.e. slow and easy.</p><p>Since EoF has been out  over 4 months now, it tells me the class didn't catch on very well.  Everyone played one to try it out, but only a few kept with it until 70.</p>

[Surething]

<p>How many of a class there is at each level is no indication of how well it is balanced (or the class's playability).  It only indicates how many people feel the class is "fun" to play.</p>

[DwarvesR]

<cite>Glenolas wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don't see any reason the Fae race should be balanced across the classes.   Throughout the mythology that involved good Fae, they were associated with casting or healing, and sure enough, your data has a strong bias toward those classes in EQII.  </p><p>The startling thing is that there are less than 600 in the entire game across all servers.    If your data is valid, it's  a strinkingly low number.</p><p> It takes about 3 months to level a character to 70 if you do all the quests you can, and don't grind.  I.e. slow and easy.</p><p>Since EoF has been out  over 4 months now, it tells me the class didn't catch on very well.  Everyone played one to try it out, but only a few kept with it until 70.</p></blockquote><p>I love this attitude -- "*I* can get a toon to 70 in 3 months and call it 'slow and easy,' so of course it must be the same for everyone."</p><p>I've been playing since launch day, and just barely got my 1st 70 a few months ago, and my 2nd last week (and I play entirely too much, probably at least 30 hours per week -- I just don't focus on leveling).  I have friends who've been playing nearly as long with their highest toons still in the 30's.</p><p>Do NOT make the mistake of assuming that "everyone" plays like you do.  Further, I highly doubt that very many people consider 3 months to 70 to be "slow and easy."  I believe most would consider that to be rather quick.</p><p>Yes, I know several level 70 Fae too -- some that were 70 within a month of being introduced.  I was very impressed with their speed of leveling.  If that's what they want to do, more power to them.  Me, I like to dink around, help friends and guildies, mentor down to help noobies. . . .maxing out to 70 doesn't really appeal to me so much.  I enjoy the journey, learning the ins and outs of my alts, being the best player I can be across a variety of classes.  I have fun on my 70's too, don't get me wrong, but they're not the only reason I play. </p><p>Different people, different playstyles.  Don't assume that yours is what everyone does. </p>

[RipFlex]

<p>I should be 70th already?  Wow, this is not WoW.  ;P</p><p>I may have 3 already to 70th but been over 3 years... My Fae is up there though from Twinking.  But as for no Evil classes is obvious, there wasn't any Betrayal.  And the deluded powergamer will pick a class not require to look really ugly or Big as Tank classes or you are nerfed (They are still stuck in this way of thinking, shame).  So leaves for Good/Neutral Scouts, Mages or Healer.  Seems logical.</p><p>Now I did pick a Dirge because I believe their toolset is slightly better than the Troubador (Sony's fault) and the fact I get Travelling speed basically for free plus the journeymen boots.  Why you ask, Sony stupidity made it too unfair in Travelling time from Gfay to ANYWHERE in KoS where the reall fun is.  Gfay -> BB (with NO Horsie Express, and NO Spire) -> WAIT for Boat -> WAIT for Spire = ZZzzzZZzzZZz and even the chance of a PUG to drop your invited character because they do not want to wait.</p><p>With my Dirge's 53% Speed and Evac from BB (gfay zone) to the BB Docks helps barely from gouging my eyes out with a DULL spoon then if I happen to miss the Boat and Miss the Spire.... (Bangs head until it bleeds).  Imagine playing a Kelethin citizen with no Speed buff, port or a Horse at start...  I can imagine the pain.</p><p>Maybe stupid reason to pick that class for my Fae, but they kept my sanity.  Anyone speaks of EQ1 30 min boat rides I'll stab you in the neck with a Number 2 Pencil because THEY MUST PAY !!!</p>

[NightSDtrider]

I agree with one of the other posters, because that list is restricted to Fae, all it shows is the favourite classes for that race.  Doesnt mean any of the correlation shown through that list continues through all the other races. I personally wouldnt make any plate wearing Fae class, would look kinda stupid imo. Only balance issue i can see is in PvP, because Faes are classes as 'good' and allied with qeynosians, it gives the freeporters far more targets than qeynosians have, and also creates more competition between the good side people to get kills. Although it could be looked at the other way i guess, that theres more people to kill the freeporters at the same time.

[SageGaspar]

According to EQ2players the froglok I started a month ago is now tied for highest level froglok assassin on my server at 53. It says more about the kind of people that tend to choose the races than anything else.

[Cazul]

No 70 Fae assassin yet eh?  Well I'll just have to change that.

[Siclone]

Cazul@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>No 70 Fae assassin yet eh?  Well I'll just have to change that. </blockquote><p>unfortunately there are fae assassin's just not 70 yet.</p><p>then again unfortunately there are fae's peroid </p>

[Valena]

<p>I would imagine that the OP chose to show Fae only as they are a new race and would show what class players are picking now. If he quoted all classes then there is 2+ years of FoTM class picking to contend with. </p><p> And why the Fae hate? They are a fun class to play. You can't beat having someone auto-following you and jumping off tall cliffs as usual ..</p>

[Faelgalad]

<p>Fae are a new race, all chars are 4 months old. </p><p>It shows what is popular and what not. The momentary trend. </p><p>I had an similar thread with all Level 70's some time ago opend, regardless of race. Values there where heavily on warlock, warden, fury, sorcerer (first of all) and conjurer. </p><p> To take all Fae's would be not giving convincing numbers. Those who are Level 70 put some effort into their characters. </p><p>Some certainly choosed their class based on roleplaying aspects. Some with missing character classes in their portfolio. </p><p>But most of the numerous Level 70 Fae classes are similiar to the mainstream. </p><p>Berserker are far before all other fighter classes in number, when you search without a race. Monks close by. </p><p>Proove me with numbers, that Troubadour and Paladins are more popular, or equally desirable 'cause of their abilities then wizards. </p><p>If you want to try it, use everquestII players, and search for chars by race, level and server. </p><p>P.s.</p><p>Btw, for those who wondered about Thaumaturg and Illusionist, Illusionist would be Illusionist in German as well, but SOE use some sh... translation program from beyond the abyss. So German translation get allways the stick. And if you could express yourself as good in German, as I do in English, you can critic my expression <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Thunderthyze]

Snowdonia@Runnyeye wrote: <blockquote>Algazeed@Runnyeye wrote: <blockquote>Heh.  Heh.  Heh. It's nice to see that the Assassin class hasn't been tainted by the aweful cutesy-ness of Fae. <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>*now plans to make a Fae Assassin as soon as they allow more character slots* <img src="/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> /sits back to wait until Hell freezes over....</p><p><img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Thunderthyze]

<cite>SageGaspar wrote:</cite><blockquote>According to EQ2players the froglok I started a month ago is now tied for highest level froglok assassin on my server at 53. It says more about the kind of people that tend to choose the races than anything else. </blockquote> Wow, useful information from EQ2 Players......will wonders never cease??