Money farmer groups.

[Skavon]

Hello! In the past few months (not in last game update - but not too long back) you could read every now and again that a lot is done from SoEs side to counter plat selling. Well - Whatever it is that is done - it is sure not enough. Today (i am on Lucan D'Lere server) i had the idea to maybe do some of those quests in Barren Sky that have eluded me for too long. Well - so i run to Nek spire - port my toon up - and begin to get those quests... or - i tried. Almost all of Barren Sky (namely Aversion/Blackwind/Strifewind/Desoltation and Discord isle) was *mobless*. And i dont mean thinned out like group or 2 running through - no - mobless. I ran down from cloudpad to AoA zone in without getting by a single mob. I did however run by (appx. every 35m) a team of guys all following in a tight pulk one or the other player with interesting names like 'Fsgghjkgajlg' or such... Now one could say 'Wait! you can't be sure that those are money farmers!' - well - in fact i got spammed by a few of those with mails regarding the 'unique offer to get buy cheap platz' or equivalent... So my humble request - GET RID OF THOSE! They are a pain in the backside enough if they keep spamming the 60-69 channel with '[random link]sell' messages - but i just put them on ignore there... But if it comes far enough that you just cant do several quests on a server with a rather low population for the zones the quests take place are perma-camped by farm troups 24/7... well then its really time to do something - Skavon

[Savanja]

Did you petition and report?

[Jrral]

The spam, just /report it with keywords "gold" and "spam" in the report name and let the automated scan catch it. The spamming characters and accounts are throw-aways, it's not worth wasting more effort on it unless you see the same character spamming several days in a row. The group you saw farming? If they're clearing the zone of mobs that thoroughly, petition them for monopolization and zone disruption. Farming mobs for loot isn't against the rules, but doing it in a way that keeps other people from playing is. It's possible it's a multi-boxer running the group, but if it is someone using bot software SOE will notice and start the process of tracing where they were sending their loot and shutting them down. Don't mention botting in your petition, though, SOE can better determine whether that's the case than you can and the large number of bogus botting reports makes that keyword a negative in petitions.

[sayitaintso]

Jrral@Unrest wrote: <blockquote>The spam, just /report it with keywords "gold" and "spam" in the report name and let the automated scan catch it. The spamming characters and accounts are throw-aways, it's not worth wasting more effort on it unless you see the same character spamming several days in a row. The group you saw farming? If they're clearing the zone of mobs that thoroughly, petition them for monopolization and zone disruption. Farming mobs for loot isn't against the rules, but doing it in a way that keeps other people from playing is. It's possible it's a multi-boxer running the group, but if it is someone using bot software <span style="color: #ff0000">SOE will notice and start the process of tracing where they were sending their loot and shutting them down. Don't mention botting in your petition, though, SOE can better determine whether that's the case than yo</span>u can and the large number of bogus botting reports makes that keyword a negative in petitions. </blockquote> LOL no they won't....we have several bot groups on Guk in several zones...OBVIOUS bots playing 24/7 they have been reported and petition countless times and they are still around...SOE doesn't care about anything other than geting that $15.99

[EQ2Playa432]

Go to another zone or roll on a PvP server...then at least you can kill them!

[tass]

Stinkii@Guk wrote: <blockquote>Jrral@Unrest wrote: <blockquote>The spam, just /report it with keywords "gold" and "spam" in the report name and let the automated scan catch it. The spamming characters and accounts are throw-aways, it's not worth wasting more effort on it unless you see the same character spamming several days in a row. The group you saw farming? If they're clearing the zone of mobs that thoroughly, petition them for monopolization and zone disruption. Farming mobs for loot isn't against the rules, but doing it in a way that keeps other people from playing is. It's possible it's a multi-boxer running the group, but if it is someone using bot software <span style="color: #ff0000">SOE will notice and start the process of tracing where they were sending their loot and shutting them down. Don't mention botting in your petition, though, SOE can better determine whether that's the case than yo</span>u can and the large number of bogus botting reports makes that keyword a negative in petitions. </blockquote> LOL no they won't....we have several bot groups on Guk in several zones...OBVIOUS bots playing 24/7 they have been reported and petition countless times and they are still around...SOE doesn't care about anything other than geting that $15.99 </blockquote>sadly in most games thats true. Vanguard is different though. Kinda quarky but it works for all. See first they blacklist the seller and I believe the buyers. Then they ban the seller and anyone who has purchased gold from the seller. No questions asked or anything because they have all the data in front of em. So u have a good laugh at the sellers, they get banned which makes everyone happy and in turn sigil is happy because the morons are stupid enough to cough up another $50. Its a win win situation. And let me tell u after a few of those incidents people dont really openly spam u with gold or buy gold over there lol.

[Skavon]

<cite>Savanja wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did you petition and report? </blockquote>Sure i did. Numerous times. For over 2 years now... but noone seems to really care. I don't know how it is like on other servers - but let me tell you: LDL got a rather small community, and i am *sure* whoever you ask there - they can tell you the names of at least 5-10 plat sellers. Matching those lists and investigating the names you get doing so would probably help a lot - but it doesnt happen. Everyone knows who they are, everyone knows where they are and yes - everyone reports them... But SOE just doesnt care... I must say that i am not even astonished a lot by this - in the end each of those guys pays 4-6 accounts. - Skavon

[Jrral]

Stinkii@Guk wrote: <blockquote>LOL no they won't....we have several bot groups on Guk in several zones...OBVIOUS bots playing 24/7 they have been reported and petition countless times and they are still around...SOE doesn't care about anything other than geting that $15.99 </blockquote>I happen to know that's not correct. Among other things, it's simple math: there's more legitimate players angry about plat-selling than there are plat-selling accounts (the plat-sellers, after all, want to minimize their expenses), and SOE's not about to risk the <i>larger</i> of the two groups just to keep the smaller. Note that the biggest problem is that people report such groups for botting. That's a sure-fire way to get your petition dropped in the round file, because no player can tell whether a group is botting or not. The US GMs may investigate your ticket <i>if</i> you've built up a rep with them for submitting valid petitions, but to the outsourced GMs the keyword "botting" is just a fast way down the procedures path that leads to your ticket being closed (which makes their numbers look better, and they're not about to risk their job by not following procedures). And a lot of those "24/7" players aren't on 24/7, they're just always on when you are, and they're experienced multi-boxers and not bots. I've seen several: a single tank type being followed by 6 same-class casters all nuking in unison. The only thing that keyed me in that this was a multi-boxer not a bot was that the casters weren't spamming spells except in combat. Well, that and the fact he noticed me watching him and came over to ask what was up.

[Miele]

Replying to the OP (since I'm on LDL server too). It's not true SoE doesn't do anything at all. By using the batphone, I managed to report the Obelisk of Lost Soul farmer group that was there very often, 5 characters: guardian, fury, 2 wizzies, warlock. I didn't report them for farming, but for exploiting as these chars, all in autofollow were warping from named to named, skipping all the trash in between. They are all gone, but guess what? 2 weeks later, we have a new guardian+fury+3nuker group running around in the zone... didn't take them long I guess. First thing I suggest is to not buy anything from these people, in fact don't buy anything at all from the broker if it's not sold by people who own an apartment (it's a good indicator usually). Go in the specific zones used for farming (they are always the same ones) and list the characters these people use, add them to your blacklist and don't buy from them anything, not even that master spell you REALLY need. Second thing: when you are in a zone, send a tell to one of the nukers, saying you want to share the spawns or need to do a quest. You won't get a reply at all, but when they killsteal you (or pullsteal you), you can report them for zone disruption. Third, watch carefully their behaviour, especially if they tend to warp around a lot (disappear/reappear somewhere else) shrugging off all the agro. Report them for exploiting.

[Noaani]

<cite>Skavon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hello! In the past few months (not in last game update - but not too long back) you could read every now and again that a lot is done from SoEs side to counter plat selling. Well - Whatever it is that is done - it is sure not enough.</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00">Thats kinda like saying the police are not doing enough to fight crime, cause stuff still gets stolen.</span> Today (i am on Lucan D'Lere server) i had the idea to maybe do some of those quests in Barren Sky that have eluded me for too long. Well - so i run to Nek spire - port my toon up - and begin to get those quests... or - i tried. Almost all of Barren Sky (namely Aversion/Blackwind/Strifewind/Desoltation and Discord isle) was *mobless*. And i dont mean thinned out like group or 2 running through - no - mobless. I ran down from cloudpad to AoA zone in without getting by a single mob. I did however run by (appx. every 35m) a team of guys all following in a tight pulk one or the other player with interesting names like 'Fsgghjkgajlg' or such... Now one could say 'Wait! you can't be sure that those are money farmers!' - well - in fact i got spammed by a few of those with mails regarding the 'unique offer to get buy cheap platz' or equivalent...</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00">Right. First, it is not against any rule of this game to play multiple accounts, nor is it against any rules to auto follow. That group you saw were not doing anything wrong at the time you saw them, with the possible exception of zone disruption. If you /petitioned them for plat farming, that is not against the rules (in fact, it is encouraged). Also, I have never been sent plat spam from anyone at all other than level 1 characters on The Queens Colony. Never. Not once. And I <i><b>always</b></i> check. These characters are usually deleted within an hour or two of being made, and never leave the Isle. I highly doubt that you were sent spam from someone capable of farming in Barren Sky. In fact, until you can provide me with a screenshot, I'd go as far as to call you a blatant liar. </span> So my humble request - GET RID OF THOSE! They are a pain in the backside enough if they keep spamming the 60-69 channel with '[random link]sell' messages - but i just put them on ignore there... But if it comes far enough that you just cant do several quests on a server with a rather low population for the zones the quests take place are perma-camped by farm troups 24/7... well then its really time to do something</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00">Ask them if they can let you get the mobs you need for a quest, if they do not, and continue killing in the manner you discribe, /petition them, but do it for zone disruption. It is not, as i said above, against the rules to play multiple accounts, nor is it to advertise wares in level channels, nor is it to not reply to people sending you /tells. It <b><i>IS</i></b> against the rules, however, to disrupt the gameplay of others. If you are going to petition someone, do it for something they have done that is against the rules, otherwise you are taking up CS time with your pointless and baseless complaint, and are thus becoming a part of the problem yourself. Wasting CS time should be a bannable offence IMO, as much as buying/selling plat in game.</span> - Skavon </p></blockquote><span style="color: #ffff00">Me in yellow...</span>

[Cuz]

Didn't you here OP? There are no plat sellers in EQ2. And we'll find every way of calling you names to prove that we're right.

[Cuz]

<cite>Noaani wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Skavon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hello! In the past few months (not in last game update - but not too long back) you could read every now and again that a lot is done from SoEs side to counter plat selling. Well - Whatever it is that is done - it is sure not enough.</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00">Thats kinda like saying the police are not doing enough to fight crime, cause stuff still gets stolen.</span> Today (i am on Lucan D'Lere server) i had the idea to maybe do some of those quests in Barren Sky that have eluded me for too long. Well - so i run to Nek spire - port my toon up - and begin to get those quests... or - i tried. Almost all of Barren Sky (namely Aversion/Blackwind/Strifewind/Desoltation and Discord isle) was *mobless*. And i dont mean thinned out like group or 2 running through - no - mobless. I ran down from cloudpad to AoA zone in without getting by a single mob. I did however run by (appx. every 35m) a team of guys all following in a tight pulk one or the other player with interesting names like 'Fsgghjkgajlg' or such... Now one could say 'Wait! you can't be sure that those are money farmers!' - well - in fact i got spammed by a few of those with mails regarding the 'unique offer to get buy cheap platz' or equivalent...</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00">Right. First, it is not against any rule of this game to play multiple accounts, nor is it against any rules to auto follow. That group you saw were not doing anything wrong at the time you saw them, with the possible exception of zone disruption. If you /petitioned them for plat farming, that is not against the rules (in fact, it is encouraged). Also, I have never been sent plat spam from anyone at all other than level 1 characters on The Queens Colony. Never. Not once. <span style="color: #cc0000">And I <i><b>always</b></i> check</span>. These characters are usually deleted within an hour or two of being made, and never leave the Isle. I highly doubt that you were sent spam from someone capable of farming in Barren Sky. In fact, until you can provide me with a screenshot, I'd go as far as to call you a blatant liar. </span> So my humble request - GET RID OF THOSE! They are a pain in the backside enough if they keep spamming the 60-69 channel with '[random link]sell' messages - but i just put them on ignore there... But if it comes far enough that you just cant do several quests on a server with a rather low population for the zones the quests take place are perma-camped by farm troups 24/7... well then its really time to do something</p><p><span style="color: #ffff00">Ask them if they can let you get the mobs you need for a quest, if they do not, and continue killing in the manner you discribe, /petition them, but do it for zone disruption. It is not, as i said above, against the rules to play multiple accounts, nor is it to advertise wares in level channels, nor is it to not reply to people sending you /tells. It <b><i>IS</i></b> against the rules, however, to disrupt the gameplay of others. If you are going to petition someone, do it for something they have done that is against the rules, otherwise you are taking up CS time with your pointless and baseless complaint, and are thus becoming a part of the problem yourself. Wasting CS time should be a bannable offence IMO, as much as buying/selling plat in game.</span> - Skavon </p></blockquote><span style="color: #ffff00">Me in yellow...</span> </blockquote> Could you provide a screen shot of all those checks? I figure you must have not checked one or two, so until you provide me a screen shot of all of them and your logs "I'd go as far as calling you a blatant liar".

[Noaani]

<cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could you provide a screen shot of all those checks? I figure you must have not checked one or two, so until you provide me a screen shot of all of them and your logs "I'd go as far as calling you a blatant liar". </blockquote><p>Call me a liar, I am not exactly fazed by that at all.</p><p>However, is that the only part of my post you can pick at? is the rest of it totally factual? Is there some misleading fact or statement in there that I missed?</p><p>If not, you are picking at a post that provided the OP with some benifital information, more than you have provided to this thread. Please, feel free to correct me in any way you can find. Is it not true that it is not against the EULA to farm for gold, nor is it against he EULA to not respond to /tells, nor is it against the EULA to play multiple accounts at the same time, nor is it against the EULA to use the random name generator provided with the game. Also, would it not be considered detrimental to the game if every player /petitioned other players whom had not in any way to the first player broken or done anything against the EULA? Would that not put CS under undue pressure?</p><p>But feel free to pick apart my post, I'm sure you will feel better for doing so. </p>

[liveja]

<cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote>Could you provide a screen shot of all those checks? I figure you must have not checked one or two, so until you provide me a screen shot of all of them and your logs "I'd go as far as calling you a blatant liar". </blockquote><p>Honestly, out of everything Noaani wrote, that's the only response you could come up with?????</p><p><img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Cuz]

You're both right. My apologies. I think I may need a break from this game, man is it ever making me bitter.