Manners when asking a higher levels for help

[Ervian]

<p>I'm sure that this has been discussed before...</p><p>I was just approached today to help powerlevel someone from a random toon.  I never heard of them nor their guild.</p><p>I have no qualms helping someone that puts a game plan together (ie. I'm putting together a XP group for {insert zone here}, and I could use some help with {healing/tanking/dps/etc}).  <u><b>I'll gladly mentor and help out</b></u>, but when someone flat out /tells directly "Will you PL me?" that, in my mind, is just a hair above begging for gold / silver / copper.</p><p>Please.  We all understand you want to get to level 70.  At least get that plan together before you start asking people to help you out.  Try to experince some of the game content and not just maximizing your numbers (xp bonus) in-game with someone you're not going to ever send a /tell to ever again.</p>

[Magnis]

Tavin@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote><p>I'm sure that this has been discussed before...</p><p>I was just approached today to help powerlevel someone from a random toon.  I never heard of them nor their guild.</p><p>I have no qualms helping someone that puts a game plan together (ie. I'm putting together a XP group for {insert zone here}, and I could use some help with {healing/tanking/dps/etc}).  <u><b>I'll gladly mentor and help out</b></u>, but when someone flat out /tells directly "Will you PL me?" that, in my mind, is just a hair above begging for gold / silver / copper.</p><p>Please.  We all understand you want to get to level 70.  At least get that plan together before you start asking people to help you out.  Try to experince some of the game content and not just maximizing your numbers (xp bonus) in-game with someone you're not going to ever send a /tell to ever again.</p></blockquote><p>Thats understandable, I consider myself one of does people that can't say no, when someone needs help on something, let it be tanking, crafting or ect.  But I exepect the person to have some kind of intro to himself...</p><p>"Hi, Can you help me with...?  I'm trying to ..., so I need your help" Its hard for me to say no.  But if someone is blunt  with no reason or just invites me to group.  I usually decline. </p>

[mellowknees72]

Yeah, I have to say that any tell of "PL me" would be met with a response of "Welcome to my ignore list." If the person knows enough to know what "PL" means, they're not a newbie to MMORPGs, which, in my mind, would mean they could figure out pretty well how to level their own rackin-frackin character. Honestly, in my mind this is no different than the tells I used to get on my female character (who did not have a distinctly female name) in EQ1: "Oh, kind sir, do you have some plat you could spare?" I always responded with "First off, I'm a 'miss', and secondly, no, I don't have money for you".

[deKoven]

Hmmm, this is something I never have and never will do. I do ask for help from time to time (mostly asking for where something is or where can I find a region) but that's the extent of my asking others for help. I don't b'lieve in too much of that; I play my game and let others play theirs. Course, I'm only a lvl 19 wizard so I couldn't help much anyways. But in MY mind there are limits. Don't cross 'em; that's my motto. <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[LadyAnnaAnna]

deKoven, don't feel so much as though you shouldn't ask for help if you truly need it.  There is one named I am remembering, that even though he was 6 levels below me, I couldn't take him solo for the life of me.  I tried asking people around my same level if they wanted to group up and kill him.  I had no takers, so I eventually asked a higher level if he wouldn't mind helping me out for that express purpose. Asking for help is never looked down on here, asking other people do your work for you is (which is basically what power leveling is).

[Conviviacr]

Honestly I am a newb here but the people that annoy me the most in general are the people that send invites with no tell first and after I decline that decide to send another because I was obviously CONFUSED about which freaking button I picked, usually again with no tell. Heck that happened when I was 25 with someone that was 20 the other day... What possible incentive would I have to group with a random stranger, when I don't have LFG up, who can't even waste the time to send me a tell.

[Allisia]

The other day my alt warlock (26 at the time) went to Stormhold to try to find the caveroot horror for the These Boots Were Made For quest. Imagine my shock, and soon to be horror, to discover not one, but two of the little nasties up. Not only are they aggro and social, but they have a fairly sizable aggro range to boot. I could have taken one of them by myself, but after one death and two very close calls I asked a level 40 dirge that was already in the zone if they could help me by dispatching one of the horrors. She said she would be happy to help and invited me to group. I thought that was kind of odd, but okay. She's helping me so I'm not about to be rude and decline the invite. So I proceed down to the room with the horrors and she's there waiting for me. Then a message appears on my screen "You are now being mentored". Mentored? Why is she mentoring me? Before I get a chance to ask why she's mentoring me she pulls one of the horrors, somehow managing to split them. I start furiously casting trying to kill the 20^^^. Within a few seconds she steps a tad too close to the steps and aggros the second horror. A few seconds later and she evacs us to the zone in. "That didn't go so well," she says. "Yeah, that's the problem I had when I tried to pull them," I say. "Are you sure we can take them?" she asks. "Well, I had actually figured you'd kill one of them at your full level, then I would solo the other one for quest credit." "OH. You know that would probably work a lot better." We did end up killing the horror as a duo, though she died a few seconds before the horror did. Sorry about that if you read this. <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> After the fight we get to talking and we realize that even though we've never grouped, we've seen each other around the crafting channels and such. It's a small server after all. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[DngrMou]

<cite>Conviviacr wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honestly I am a newb here but the people that annoy me the most in general are the people that send invites with no tell first and after I decline that decide to send another because I was obviously CONFUSED about which freaking button I picked, usually again with no tell. Heck that happened when I was 25 with someone that was 20 the other day... What possible incentive would I have to group with a random stranger, when I don't have LFG up, who can't even waste the time to send me a tell. </blockquote> Accept their invite next time.  Then ignore them.  Go about your business...crafting, or whatever.  Eventually you'll get a tell, asking if you're coming out.  Reply with, "No I'm not.  Why?".  This will lead into some 'interesting' dialogue with the group members, and eventually to requests that you leave the group.  Tell them you're too busy to leave the group right then, but you'll try to get around to it when you can.  

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Conviviacr wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honestly I am a newb here but the people that annoy me the most in general are the people that send invites with no tell first</blockquote>My only pet peeve in EQ2 so far.. Invites without a an introduction or even a "Hello". Are people really that needy or just socially challenged that they can't shake somebody's hand first before asking them if they'll help them move the couch up the steps. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (proverbial example)

[DwarvesR]

<p>Lately I've been going to opposite direction -- "Hi!  Can you do me a favor and let me group with you and mentor so I can get aaxp for a quest turn-in plz?" -- But that tell is ALWAYS sent 1st, and a response is always waited for.  </p><p>Usually, they reply "Sure" and invite me themselves.  And then while I'm grouped with them I thank them profusely, and ask if they need my help for anything.</p><p>Made some new friends that way.</p>

[deKoven]

Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Conviviacr wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honestly I am a newb here but the people that annoy me the most in general are the people that send invites with no tell first and after I decline that decide to send another because I was obviously CONFUSED about which freaking button I picked, usually again with no tell. Heck that happened when I was 25 with someone that was 20 the other day... What possible incentive would I have to group with a random stranger, when I don't have LFG up, who can't even waste the time to send me a tell. </blockquote> Accept their invite next time.  Then ignore them.  Go about your business...crafting, or whatever.  Eventually you'll get a tell, asking if you're coming out.  Reply with, "No I'm not.  Why?".  This will lead into some 'interesting' dialogue with the group members, and eventually to requests that you leave the group.  Tell them you're too busy to leave the group right then, but you'll try to get around to it when you can.   </blockquote> Sorry, but I really can't agree with this. I <b>am</b> a noob here and in the game. I might have done this out of ignorance; although I really don't usually even allow invites I <u><i>might</i></u> want to at some point. If I did and made mistakes it's purely out of a lack of understanding what I'm doing. I'd hope that people might <u>gently</u> point out what I'm doing wrong. <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #993300">Yeah, that's what ah do too Jonna, sometimes even end up in a group, ah will help them if possible but usually once the rest of the group understands why ah'm there they stop asking where ah'm going/what ah'm doing so far away from the group <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #993300">Even been on the other end looking for help from a higher lvl to take out a nasty mob (or just a group of even/lower lvls to keep the mob occupied, that happened with the Lamia Assassin in RV, the Assassin was a 40^^^ and got help from a couple high 30's, after ah finished mah business ah went and evacced them, not noticing that they were actually standing up to the lamia)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #993300">Haven't found many low lvls to for mah lvl 30 gnecro to mentor down to so she can get <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/items/item_profile.vm?itemId=88575" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">General Lonetusk's Stud</a> <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></span></p>

[DngrMou]

<cite>deKoven wrote:</cite><blockquote>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>Conviviacr wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honestly I am a newb here but the people that annoy me the most in general are the people that send invites with no tell first and after I decline that decide to send another because I was obviously CONFUSED about which freaking button I picked, usually again with no tell. Heck that happened when I was 25 with someone that was 20 the other day... What possible incentive would I have to group with a random stranger, when I don't have LFG up, who can't even waste the time to send me a tell. </blockquote> Accept their invite next time.  Then ignore them.  Go about your business...crafting, or whatever.  Eventually you'll get a tell, asking if you're coming out.  Reply with, "No I'm not.  Why?".  This will lead into some 'interesting' dialogue with the group members, and eventually to requests that you leave the group.  Tell them you're too busy to leave the group right then, but you'll try to get around to it when you can.   </blockquote> Sorry, but I really can't agree with this. I <b>am</b> a noob here and in the game. I might have done this out of ignorance; although I really don't usually even allow invites I <u><i>might</i></u> want to at some point. If I did and made mistakes it's purely out of a lack of understanding what I'm doing. I'd hope that people might <u>gently</u> point out what I'm doing wrong. <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>I think when one gets multiple invites from one person in Ruins of Varsoon...the noob excuse is going to be a little threadbare.   I can understand blind invites from The Caves, or Oakmyst Forest...and yes, they do rarely happen.  For those, yes, a polite tell, and decline. 

[Odalia]

Jonna@Befallen wrote: <blockquote><p>Lately I've been going to opposite direction -- "Hi!  Can you do me a favor and let me group with you and mentor so I can get aaxp for a quest turn-in plz?" -- But that tell is ALWAYS sent 1st, and a response is always waited for.  </p><p>Usually, they reply "Sure" and invite me themselves.  And then while I'm grouped with them I thank them profusely, and ask if they need my help for anything.</p><p>Made some new friends that way.</p></blockquote><p> I had had several people ask for that and have never turned any of them down I have but 1 request. When you leave the group DO NOT unmentor first one person did this to me and it screwed me out of an HQ update, they unmentored the mob went gray they left mob still gray no XP no quest update. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   Got a guildie to help me finish it again quickly though.</p>

[Cadaveria]

the only time i've been approached for a PL, they started off the conversation with "How'd you like to make some plat?" I was too tired, so I helped him for 15 mins for free <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Deyaneyra]

<p>Have to agree DeKoven, I also would /tell that one that does a blind invite after declining how to do better on finding groups or help. Sure if there is a lvl 70 char doing this no need to /tell, but on lower levels no one can expect they know why people keep declining invites or just /ignore them. </p><p>For all of you who didn't notice yet: There is an option menue to see when hitting the P-key where you can auto-decline group invites. I use that one while crafting because I can't stand the pop-up windows when I receive blind invites and fail on my receipe. My main is healer, so there are a lot of such invites. </p>