Overpopulated and rare classes?

[danjuhmouze]

Upon returning to the game, I have decided that I would like to choose a more rare class to play, pref. healer, but I'd like to get everyone's input on what those are. What do you think?

[HeiligHangranate]

I can only speak from my own experience, but if you want to play a rare healer, I suggest an inquisitor or a defiler.  Templars, furies, and mystics are a dime a dozen.  Wardens are not too uncommon.  If you want to play a battlecleric, inquisitor is the choice.

[steelbadger]

On Runnyeye mystics are fewer than Defilers, but Defilers rarely group with peoplein pick ups ( at T7).  Wardens are around, but tend to be hidden behind the hoards of Furies running rampant, trying to find an Inquisitor is like trying to find a fart in a whirlwind. Hope that helps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[danjuhmouze]

so am I correct in assuming.. Most rare to least Defiler Inquisitor Templar Warden Mystic Fury ?

[stgninja]

<cite>danjuhmouze wrote:</cite><blockquote>so am I correct in assuming.. Most rare to least Defiler Inquisitor Templar Warden Mystic Fury ?</blockquote><p>/agree for the most part but it all depends on your server.</p><p>You know defilers are rare when people tell you that your the worst scout they have ever grouped with.  </p>

[tass]

furies have to be the most populated class. All to oftem I run into grps with them in it and people who cant heal for [Removed for Content]. Mystics are also common and do a better job. I find some wardens here and there but temps, inquisiters and defiles are almost never seen on blackburrow.

[DwarvesR]

Bloodlich@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>danjuhmouze wrote:</cite><blockquote>so am I correct in assuming.. Most rare to least Defiler Inquisitor Templar Warden Mystic Fury ?</blockquote><p>/agree for the most part but it all depends on your server.</p><p>You know defilers are rare when people tell you that your the worst scout they have ever grouped with.  </p></blockquote><p>Some fun stories about that on this thread:</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=186244" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">What's the the highest level toon that has not known defilers are priests?</a> </p>

[danjuhmouze]

Bloodlich@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>danjuhmouze wrote:</cite><blockquote>so am I correct in assuming.. Most rare to least Defiler Inquisitor Templar Warden Mystic Fury ?</blockquote><p>/agree for the most part but it all depends on your server.</p><p>You know defilers are rare when people tell you that your the worst scout they have ever grouped with.  </p></blockquote>lol! Thanks for the info all. <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Adrinanna]

<p> from <a href="http://eq2census.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2census.com</a> (although its not being updated regularly anymore from what I understand).</p><p><b>From levels 1-70 Worldwide</b></p><p>Defiler 46508</p><p>Inquisitor 49106</p><p>Mystic 59610</p><p>Templars 81860</p><p>Warden 82253</p><p>Fury 106105</p><p><b>Level 70 Worldwide</b></p><p>Defiler 1418</p><p>Inquisitor 1643</p><p>Mystic 1724</p><p>Warden 2113</p><p>Templar 3099</p><p>Fury 3252</p>

[Didi]

My own observations would recommend either of the shaman types as healers (mystic or defiler), plus the bards and enchanters.  We never seem to have enough of any of them in my guild, anyway! 

[Windowlicker]

Bolinda@Guk wrote: <blockquote><p> from <a href="http://eq2census.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2census.com</a> (although its not being updated regularly anymore from what I understand).</p><p><b>From levels 1-70 Worldwide</b></p><p>Defiler 46508</p><p>Inquisitor 49106</p><p>Mystic 59610</p><p>Templars 81860</p><p>Warden 82253</p><p>Fury 106105</p><p><b>Level 70 Worldwide</b></p><p>Defiler 1418</p><p>Inquisitor 1643</p><p>Mystic 1724</p><p>Warden 2113</p><p>Templar 3099</p><p>Fury 3252</p></blockquote> For some reason I have a really hard time thinking there is any shortage of Fury's.  Like 4 out of 5 new characters I see are Fury's.

[erin]

Zahne@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote>Bolinda@Guk wrote: <blockquote><p> from <a href="http://eq2census.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2census.com</a> (although its not being updated regularly anymore from what I understand).</p><p><b>From levels 1-70 Worldwide</b></p><p>Defiler 46508</p><p>Inquisitor 49106</p><p>Mystic 59610</p><p>Templars 81860</p><p>Warden 82253</p><p>Fury 106105</p><p><b>Level 70 Worldwide</b></p><p>Defiler 1418</p><p>Inquisitor 1643</p><p>Mystic 1724</p><p>Warden 2113</p><p>Templar 3099</p><p>Fury 3252</p></blockquote> For some reason I have a really hard time thinking there is any shortage of Fury's.  Like 4 out of 5 new characters I see are Fury's. </blockquote>And this backs up what you said.  100k + started, but only 3.5k have made it to 70.

[Devout Disciple]

<cite>tass wrote:</cite><blockquote>furies have to be the most populated class. All to oftem I run into grps with them in it and people who cant heal for [I cannot control my vocabulary]. Mystics are also common and do a better job. I find some wardens here and there but temps, inquisiters and defiles are almost never seen on blackburrow. </blockquote> Good grief you are so right!  Every time I'm in a group with a fury my sk will see debt and repair bills out the whazoo! <span style="color: #cc3333">EDIT</span> They just can't seem to keep up on healing no matter what they do.  I'm not sure whether it's the player or class here. <span style="color: #cc3333">END EDIT</span>  That's the reason I still prefer a cleric or warden to heal me.  With them I never seem to bite the bucket as much.

[Jal]

Furies can be superb healers but they have to be able to pre-empt things to a certain extent and know what to use and when.

[liveja]

Jonna@Befallen wrote: <blockquote>Bloodlich@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>danjuhmouze wrote:</cite><blockquote>so am I correct in assuming.. Most rare to least Defiler Inquisitor Templar Warden Mystic Fury ?</blockquote><p>/agree for the most part but it all depends on your server.</p><p>You know defilers are rare when people tell you that your the worst scout they have ever grouped with.  </p></blockquote><p>Some fun stories about that on this thread:</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=186244" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">What's the the highest level toon that has not known defilers are priests?</a> </p></blockquote><p>As an aside, stories like those really boggle my mind.</p><p>My favorite moment of mistaken identity: in EQ1, I was playing my Magician (a Conjuror, for those who never played EQ1), sitting next to my Earth Pet, & this Ranger comes running up to me & asks me to cast SOW on him. I ignored him, because I thought he meant he was going to cast it on ME, but then he asked me again, "Cast SOW on me, plz??", & I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.</p><p>I had a lot of fun playing a Fury, got him up to 30th level, & never once had a problem healing groups. OTOH, when I played my Fury in groups, I didn't play him as a DPSer; I played him as a healer/debuffer. Just because a Fury CAN do good DPS, doesn't mean they SHOULD. </p>

[Vukota]

<p>Defiler if you are going the healer route. </p><p>I also notice a shortage of chanters and bards. </p>

[danjuhmouze]

Well, all, I definitely appreciate your replies. I have decided to vitality dance between an inquisitor, warden, and coercer(maybe illusionist if I decide to betray). I'm sure they'll all get to 70 in a couple years <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. I'd actually somewhat like to do the defiler route, but I don't have the patience in me to solo with him, and I can never find groups on Mistmoore, so I guess that settles it for me. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Thanks again guys!

[Slapfish]

Before you pick a rare class just to pick a rare class, do a little research to find out why they are rare. Go to the class forums and find out if there are any major balancing issues with the class. There are usually good reasons why players flock to a particular class and abandon others. Also keep in mind your play style and the atmosphere of the current game. Do you have an active, ready made group or guild to level with? If not, choosing a class that does not solo well, or solos very slowly, may be frustrating, as it is sometimes difficult to find a group, even for a healer.

[Novusod]

The rarest classes in the game are the two bards: Troubador and Dirge. This is because they are a hard class to play but when played correctly can do some really amazing things.

[Agaxiq]

My opinions, and I'm generalizing to a VERY high degree: <b>Enchanters </b>are not played because people want to play a caster to do damage, and many feel that crowd control isn't required in most situations. <b>Bards </b>are not played because people view them as buff bots and can just "/target MT ; /follow ; /afk" <b>Shamans/Clerics</b> are not played because they are viewed as low-DPS classes and the people don't have fun healing. I'm sure you can counter all of these generalizations, but I would say I'm not too far off the mark, and the numbers definitely show it. To me: <b>Coercers </b>are a blast to play (more than illusionists)  Definitely a character I'll be working on. I haven't had the patience to get a high level <b>bard </b>(played both up to 30 and got bored - yes I'm sure it gets better, but in a duo they just dont add enough value) I played a <b>defiler</b> up to 30 and while its wards ruled (and masters were VERY cheap) the DPS was so poor (even with like 100% melee crit) I just lost interest.  It didnt have enough buffs for a duo (versus a fury) to warrant keeping. I played a <b>templar</b> to the high 20's at launch, but really didnt understand reactive healing at the time (heck, I barely knew what taunt was back then! - "[Removed for Content] is this taunt thing, does no damage....&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> After the next expansion, I'll probably roll an Inquisitor (or maybe a Templar again, who knows) just to see what they are like. agressiv

[Ba]

Devout Disciple wrote: <blockquote><cite>tass wrote:</cite><blockquote>furies have to be the most populated class. All to oftem I run into grps with them in it and people who cant heal for [I cannot control my vocabulary]. Mystics are also common and do a better job. I find some wardens here and there but temps, inquisiters and defiles are almost never seen on blackburrow. </blockquote> Good grief you are so right!  Every time I'm in a group with a fury my sk will see debt and repair bills out the whazoo! <span style="color: #cc3333">EDIT</span> They just can't seem to keep up on healing no matter what they do.  I'm not sure whether it's the player or class here. <span style="color: #cc3333">END EDIT</span>  That's the reason I still prefer a cleric or warden to heal me.  With them I never seem to bite the bucket as much.</blockquote><p> Are both of you trying to be absolute a s s e s or are you really so narrow minded that you can spout this rubbish.</p><p>I play Fury as my main and I am a superb healer. I know exactly when to heal and how often (based on situation and group makeup), I know when its safe to DPS and when it is not, I know exactly how to keep people alive under the harshest circumstances in the hardest zones and I have all the tools I need to do it. People often compliment me on the quality and speed of my healing/curing. I am a true healer and I can heal as well as ANY other healer class out there. Easily.</p><p>Just because you have had a few bad experience in the past doesn't give you the right to come to this forum and pour out absolute drivel about a class you obviously know absolutely NOTHING about.</p><p>You just gravely insulted all the excellent and well played Fury healers out there and I for one won't tolerate these stupid comments any more in-game or on these boards. People who make statements like this.... GET A CLUE.</p>

[tass]

well then u get u and ur freinds arses out there and start grping with me lol. Because near every fury Ive ever ran into SUCKS. Lets take permafrost for example. I had a good many grps in there and 4 of them that I had, had a fury for a healer with all ur other classes like ur wiz ur tanks and so forth. And these morons are trying to dps and make the chats while side healing the tank. And of course the tank is getting his [Removed for Content] kicked in his full mastercrafted armor and whatnot. So he finnaly tells the furys to consentrate solely on healing and they still couldn't. I had to bring out my dam hydro pet just to keep the tank alive and the dam thing did a better job at healing than the furies did. I mean come on. Same thing in raids. Just about all of the pickup raids ive been in will go for a fury as a last resort. Everywhere I go these furies just cant dam well heal. And I know they can as my guild has a couple high end furies that heal great and can keep up just as well as my warden only it takes more effort. So maybe you and ur friends are godly furies, but ur a few in a million suck [Removed for Content] furies out there. just a side note to to all healers out there. MAKE EVERY DAM SPELL ADEPT 3 OR HIGHER. If you have app 4 or adept 1 spells you have no business being the grps healer. Im sry but I find it sad that when the only spell I use is my master 1 chloroplast and a tank says im the best healer hes had in ages going against heroic mobs it doesnt say much for the main healing community that makes itself up of mostly furies because they want the dps.

[Ba]

<cite>tass wrote:</cite><blockquote>well then u get u and ur freinds arses out there and start grping with me lol. Because near every fury Ive ever ran into SUCKS. Lets take permafrost for example. I had a good many grps in there and 4 of them that I had, had a fury for a healer with all ur other classes like ur wiz ur tanks and so forth. And these morons are trying to dps and make the chats while side healing the tank. And of course the tank is getting his [I cannot control my vocabulary] kicked in his full mastercrafted armor and whatnot. So he finnaly tells the furys to consentrate solely on healing and they still couldn't. I had to bring out my dam hydro pet just to keep the tank alive and the dam thing did a better job at healing than the furies did. I mean come on. Same thing in raids. Just about all of the pickup raids ive been in will go for a fury as a last resort. Everywhere I go these furies just cant dam well heal. And I know they can as my guild has a couple high end furies that heal great and can keep up just as well as my warden only it takes more effort. So maybe you and ur friends are godly furies, but ur a few in a million suck [I cannot control my vocabulary] furies out there. just a side note to to all healers out there. MAKE EVERY DAM SPELL ADEPT 3 OR HIGHER. If you have app 4 or adept 1 spells you have no business being the grps healer. Im sry but I find it sad that when the only spell I use is my master 1 chloroplast and a tank says im the best healer hes had in ages going against heroic mobs it doesnt say much for the main healing community that makes itself up of mostly furies because they want the dps. </blockquote><p>1. Every one of my healing spells and main damage spells is Master1 (or Master2). This was the case even when I was levelling my new Fury on a new server (no alts there so no twinking). I bought master heals and master damage spells every single tier -- most of my cash went on this. Right now at 70 I'm sitting on master1 in all heals (except BiTF and Hibernation which are Adept 3) and master1 in all my damage spells (except Ring of Fire and Call of Storms which are Adept III). Any good Fury main can achieve this in every tier with a bit of work and dedication. I now wear a whole lot better than plain old mastercrafted (though I used MC/Legendary a lot while I was levelling).</p><p>2. Any Fury who chats during fights (except to give instructions) and doesn't know when to DPS vs Heal probably isn't smart or responsible enough to play this very stategic and potent class.</p><p>3. I have never encountered a single issue getting in groups, raids or any other activitiy I choose to involve myself in. Most pickup raids are just happy to have healers *at all*. They are even happier when they realise (very quickly) how good a healer I can be. I have made lots of friends and contacts through pickup raids and groups that have been very happy with my performance in combining solid reliable healing with solid powerful DPS.</p><p>4. Master1 Bloodflow line is just as powerful as the Warden's Chloroplast line at M1.</p><p>Regardless of your experiences, you have no right to publicly tar every Fury with the same brush because of your personal bias against a few of them. I note that you play Warden, perhaps there is a little mis-conceived "grass is greener" class envy here?</p>

[Devout Disciple]

<cite>Bayl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Are both of you trying to be absolute a s s e s or are you really so narrow minded that you can spout this rubbish.</p><p>I play Fury as my main and I am a superb healer. I know exactly when to heal and how often (based on situation and group makeup), I know when its safe to DPS and when it is not, I know exactly how to keep people alive under the harshest circumstances in the hardest zones and I have all the tools I need to do it. People often compliment me on the quality and speed of my healing/curing. I am a true healer and I can heal as well as ANY other healer class out there. Easily.</p><p>Just because you have had a few bad experience in the past doesn't give you the right to come to this forum and pour out absolute drivel about a class you obviously know absolutely NOTHING about.</p><p>You just gravely insulted all the excellent and well played Fury healers out there and I for one won't tolerate these stupid comments any more in-game or on these boards. People who make statements like this.... GET A CLUE.</p></blockquote><p>Got news for ya buck a roo the only party that has rights on these boards are SOE.  Yep that's right.  You have a privledge to use these boards and not a right.  Repeat after me.  Privately owned.</p><p>Well to address your points.</p><p>1.  Fury couldn't keep up healing against giants in DoF content.</p><p>2.  Fury couldn't keep up in HOF</p><p>2.  Fury couldn't keep up in Unrest either.</p><p><span style="color: #cc3333">Edit</span>: That's not the only bad experiences I've had in case you push your thoughts that way <span style="color: #cc0033">End Edit</span></p><p>No wonder why I prefer another healer. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Another cotton picking thing while I'm at it.  Since groups and raids are going to shun me for being another plate I'm very well going to express my opinion on a preferred healer.  Since they've made a preferred plate choice.  Looks like things come full circle eh?</p>

[EvilMissKitty]

Devout Disciple wrote: <blockquote><cite>Bayl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Are both of you trying to be absolute a s s e s or are you really so narrow minded that you can spout this rubbish.</p><p>I play Fury as my main and I am a superb healer. I know exactly when to heal and how often (based on situation and group makeup), I know when its safe to DPS and when it is not, I know exactly how to keep people alive under the harshest circumstances in the hardest zones and I have all the tools I need to do it. People often compliment me on the quality and speed of my healing/curing. I am a true healer and I can heal as well as ANY other healer class out there. Easily.</p><p>Just because you have had a few bad experience in the past doesn't give you the right to come to this forum and pour out absolute drivel about a class you obviously know absolutely NOTHING about.</p><p>You just gravely insulted all the excellent and well played Fury healers out there and I for one won't tolerate these stupid comments any more in-game or on these boards. People who make statements like this.... GET A CLUE.</p></blockquote><p>Got news for ya buck a roo the only party that has rights on these boards are SOE.  Yep that's right.  You have a privledge to use these boards and not a right.  Repeat after me.  Privately owned.</p><p>Well to address your points.</p><p>1.  Fury couldn't keep up healing against giants in DoF content.</p><p>2.  Fury couldn't keep up in HOF</p><p>2.  Fury couldn't keep up in Unrest either.</p><p><span style="color: #cc3333">Edit</span>: That's not the only bad experiences I've had in case you push your thoughts that way <span style="color: #cc0033">End Edit</span></p><p>No wonder why I prefer another healer. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Another cotton picking thing while I'm at it.  Since groups and raids are going to shun me for being another plate I'm very well going to express my opinion on a preferred healer.  Since they've made a preferred plate choice.  Looks like things come full circle eh?</p>--------------------------------------------------- That is quite strange, because my Lvl 70 Fury has no problems keeping the group alive.  So are you trying to claim that you have never died in a group that did not have a fury healer? That is quite bizarre.  I have a 70 Fury, who has absolutely no problems keeping a group alive, except when a SK is the tank or a non MT class is a tank (e.g. Bruiser/Monk).  If you have played a Fury, you would know that the Fury (and are fellow druids the Wardens) has hands down the fastest burst heals ingame.  Now, everyone knows that in the higher level harder zones in-game it is never advisable to go into the zone without 2 different types of healers.  EQ2 has made it so the healers all compliment each other.  Wards protect before the damage, Clerics heals after the damage is taken, and the Druids heal damage in quick bursts, and give the other healers time to set up their big heals/wards. Moreover, your argument makes no logical sense. That's like me saying.  I have died ina  group with a Guardian as a tank, in DOF, HOF, and Unrest. Thus, ALL guardians suck as tanks. Of course, this is illogical and absolutely wrong.  </blockquote>

[Squigglle]

<p>RARE:</p><p>RARE FIGHTER: Guardian/Monk</p><p>RARE MAGE: Corceor</p><p>RARE PREIST: Defiller/Inquistor</p><p>RARE SCOUT: Bards</p>

[mellowknees72]

Kallarn@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>Furies can be superb healers but they have to be able to pre-empt things to a certain extent and know what to use and when. </blockquote><p> /second this</p><p>I wanted to chime in here and say that the class doesn't matter - it's the person mashing buttons at the other end.  I think I do a darned good job with my fury.  I don't think it has anything to do with "furies can't heal for (#$(#$)(#" but more with "people don't know how to concentrate on healing and hold back on the nukes".</p>

[Skua]

shamans are rare imo 1 Fury 2 Fury YES twice lol 3 Templar 4 Warden 5 Mystic 6 Inquisitor (VERY RARE) 7 DUNNO oh yes defi? deler? uhm....oh DEFILER.... <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> j/k anyway healers 10-69 are rare =/  

[Jvaloth]

<p>I've grouped with some Furies that were excellent healers and I've grouped with Furies that stand there trying to steal agro and nuke like crazy , wait til I get in the red and then try to recover.  I  dont like grouping with Furies that are all about DPS.   If they wanted to DPS they should have made a DPS class.</p>

[Iseabeil]

<p>Furies can be great healers and they can be lousy healers.</p><p>The issue with furies is that they are pretty much a FotM class right now, and as such attracts a lot of people that doesnt know how to play their class, bringing a bad reputation over those that can. So before you complain over furies, keep in mind there are great ones out there, and before you defend furies as a whole, remember there are really lousy ones out there as well, the high number will just make it all more obvious, but it happens to any class when its a FotM class.</p>

[Devout Disciple]

<cite>EvilMissKitty wrote:</cite><blockquote>That is quite strange, because my Lvl 70 Fury has no problems keeping the group alive.  So are you trying to claim that you have never died in a group that did not have a fury healer? That is quite bizarre.  I have a 70 Fury, who has absolutely no problems keeping a group alive, except when a SK is the tank or a non MT class is a tank (e.g. Bruiser/Monk).  If you have played a Fury, you would know that the Fury (and are fellow druids the Wardens) has hands down the fastest burst heals ingame.  Now, everyone knows that in the higher level harder zones in-game it is never advisable to go into the zone without 2 different types of healers.  EQ2 has made it so the healers all compliment each other.  Wards protect before the damage, Clerics heals after the damage is taken, and the Druids heal damage in quick bursts, and give the other healers time to set up their big heals/wards. Moreover, your argument makes no logical sense. That's like me saying.  I have died ina  group with a Guardian as a tank, in DOF, HOF, and Unrest. Thus, ALL guardians suck as tanks. Of course, this is illogical and absolutely wrong.  </blockquote><p> Ah you must be a friend of Bayl.  Well in any case.....if you read my previous <span style="color: #cc3333">EDIT</span> posts <span style="color: #cc3333">END EDIT</span>, if, you'll see I said I don't die as much with a cleric or warden. <span style="color: #cc3333">EDIT</span> My I don't bite the bucket as much comment. <span style="color: #cc3333">END EDIT</span>  Now in case you can't understand what that means is I still die but not as much.  To begin even talking about my logic you first have to comprehend what words <span style="color: #cc3333">EDIT</span> I'm saying <span style="color: #cc3333">END EDIT</span>.  Since you didn't read/understand my previous posts you obviously don't.</p><p> Well get back to me when you do have the ability to read my previous posts.  Clerics have nice reactives btw.  I'll say no more on that.</p>

[EvilMissKitty]

Devout Disciple wrote: <blockquote><cite>EvilMissKitty wrote:</cite><blockquote>That is quite strange, because my Lvl 70 Fury has no problems keeping the group alive.  So are you trying to claim that you have never died in a group that did not have a fury healer? That is quite bizarre.  I have a 70 Fury, who has absolutely no problems keeping a group alive, except when a SK is the tank or a non MT class is a tank (e.g. Bruiser/Monk).  If you have played a Fury, you would know that the Fury (and are fellow druids the Wardens) has hands down the fastest burst heals ingame.  Now, everyone knows that in the higher level harder zones in-game it is never advisable to go into the zone without 2 different types of healers.  EQ2 has made it so the healers all compliment each other.  Wards protect before the damage, Clerics heals after the damage is taken, and the Druids heal damage in quick bursts, and give the other healers time to set up their big heals/wards. Moreover, your argument makes no logical sense. That's like me saying.  I have died ina  group with a Guardian as a tank, in DOF, HOF, and Unrest. Thus, ALL guardians suck as tanks. Of course, this is illogical and absolutely wrong.  </blockquote><p> Ah you must be a friend of Bayl.  Well in any case.....if you read my previous <span style="color: #cc3333">EDIT</span> posts <span style="color: #cc3333">END EDIT</span>, if, you'll see I said I don't die as much with a cleric or warden. <span style="color: #cc3333">EDIT</span> My I don't bite the bucket as much comment. <span style="color: #cc3333">END EDIT</span>  Now in case you can't understand what that means is I still die but not as much.  To begin even talking about my logic you first have to comprehend what words <span style="color: #cc3333">EDIT</span> I'm saying <span style="color: #cc3333">END EDIT</span>.  Since you didn't read/understand my previous posts you obviously don't.</p><p> Well get back to me when you do have the ability to read my previous posts.  Clerics have nice reactives btw.  I'll say no more on that.</p></blockquote>I do have the abiltiy to read your previous post, but I was responding to your illogical rant regarding Furies.  Per your sugestion I have reviewed your previous post.  I still think its nonsensical and obvoius trolling for attention.   However, I will stop arguing on this issue because its off-topic and a wate of both of our times. I

[lmhotep]

<p>Seeing i play a 70 fury to i must add that i have no problems at all healing groups solo in whatever instance you can think off.</p><p>This is being speced almost full for DPS as well... we dont realy have another choice other then the KOS healingcritline. </p><p>This way i can do pretty insane DPS for a healer but still heal everything out there solo.</p><p>Obviously there are lousy healers out there and it isnt just fury`s who can be lousy healers: all healerclasses can be like that if they dont know there class.</p><p>Saying fury`s are rubish healers is just being plain ignorant or maybe your abit jealous about the capability`s of the fury class who knows.</p>

[Agaxiq]

FYI went on a labs trash run last night: 4 Furies 1 Templar 1 Warden agressiv

[stgninja]

<p>I have fury alts on both PvE and PvP servers and I don't have no problem keeping groups alive.  Only times where I had it rough were the times I have grouped with tanks that have crap gear (not brawlers btw, plate tanks with less mig than a leather-wearer) and pull every mob in sight.</p><p>One thing I like about druids is that their HoTs work well with wards and reactives imo.  </p><p>Anyway the most rare classes have to be the bards and enchaters (mainly coercers).  I guess most people don't like playing a mage/scout class that has low dps.  I have a blast on both my chanters, but bards I just can't get into.  The idea of a "buff-bot" doesn't appeal to me.  I'm sure if you were in a group and went afk/af no one would notice.</p>

[juz]

<p>Druids can sure heal a lot, but fastest burst healers? i think not. Waiting for a HOT to finish isn't burst. However they rock healing full groups from AOEs.</p><p>As far as Labs trash, just 2 group it. Shammy/Cleric on first group. Druid on second group, dont need 6 healers for trash.</p>

[stgninja]

I think what the other poster meant by "fastest burst healers" is they have the fastest casting direct heals.  Druids are not limited to HoTs.

[Xova]

<cite>juzam wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Druids can sure heal a lot, but fastest burst healers? i think not. Waiting for a HOT to finish isn't burst. However they rock healing full groups from AOEs.</p><p>As far as Labs trash, just 2 group it. Shammy/Cleric on first group. Druid on second group, dont need 6 healers for trash.</p></blockquote><p> We have the fastest-casting direct heals, plus our direct-heals are on short recast timers - hence the reason we're knosn as "burst-damage" healers. We heal a large amount of damage in a short amount of time.</p><p>To those that made the assessment that "furies are rubbish" or the like, I'd gather that you've just been unfortunate enough to group with Furies who either weren't very good, or were trying to focus on DPS instead of healing. I play every healer available to the Freeport side, and each class has its benefits, but by far and away my favorite healer class is the Fury, simply for the sheer speed and power behind her heals. Get a good Fury in the group that knows when to heal, when to DPS, when to debuff and interrupt, and I think you'll change your mind about them being crummy healers.</p><p>And mind you I'm not saying Furies are the BEST. I'm just saying that they certainly aren't the WORST. And really no healer class is WORST. They all have their merits and are some are better for certain situations or encounters than others. The problem lies not with the class itself, but with the person controlling the toon and it's important to remember that. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Chog]

How did this turn into a Fury healing thread? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Barbarian Coercer = rare. Only 5 level 70's on all servers. Dwarf Coercer = rare. Only 2 level 70's on all servers. Fae Coercer = rare. Only 3 level 70's on all servers. Unfortunatly my Kerran Coercer is not as rare with 23 level 70's on all servers.

[Skua]

Ratonga coercer > all <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[danjuhmouze]

<cite>SkuaII wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ratonga coercer > all <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote><p> Ratonga anything > all! </p><p><img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Antryg Mistrose]

You can't really trust a census if its of the number of chars at a level, if its of the number of ACTIVE chars then yes. My experience in rarity from a lot of pickup groups is: <ul><li>Defiler,</li><li>Mystic</li><li>Inquisitor</li><li>Warden</li><li>Templar</li><li>Fury</li></ul>Some of that can still be explained (even 2 years later), by wards being broken in aggro terms on game release, and Templars being head and shoulders above the other priests at that time too. To be honest, furys are a problem - as the priest with currently the best DPS (and therefore soloing and flavour of the month ability), there are a lot of them about, and some have not had to focus on healing much.  Having to recently explain cures to a level 70 one, and waiting while they got them on their hotbar, was not a good experience for tanking HoF (and I still ended up curing myself more often than not). Templars and Wardens, as they have less else to offer a group, seem to be more focused on healing, and don't look to feel "lonely" as much when they are the sole priest.  The others are too scarce for me to make generalisations about.

[t0iletduck]

In response to the pre-derailed thread, I would say the rarest classes from my own observations would be: 1. Coercer 2. Illusionist 3. Troubador 4. Inquisitor 5. Warlock In response to the derailed portions of this thread: Shaman: On the Unrest server, there are a lot more active Defilers than Mystics. We have been trying to recruit a Mystic for months and not a single applicant. During this time we've had 5 Defilers. If you go by eq2census, then sure, there are technically more Mystics, but I dont see them around hehe. Same with pickup groups. I can't remember the last time I grouped with a Mystic, but plenty of Defilers. Furies: A dime a dozen. However furies make great healers if they know what they are doing. The overpopulation of furies means that people will end up grouping with a lot of mediocre furies, hence the poor reputation. It does seem that some would rather nuke than heal. If you get a nuke happy fury as the only healer in the group, then beware. However, to pidgeon hole furies as bad healers for this is unfair. They have all the tools to be great healers. I've had the misfortune of grouping with many bad defilers, mystics, wardens, templars, and inqs as well. Tanks: My main use to be a Defiler, so the tanks I hated healing the most were brawlers. In regard to plate tanks, a lot of idiots like SK's, which contribute to their bad reputation. However, healing an SK is often easier than a comparable geared zerker or guardian because they can partially heal themselves. Tanks, as with furies, depend on gear and the person driving the toon. My main now is an SK and I love having a Fury as a healer because Vim gives me a huge Int boost, thus making my spells and lifetaps hit harder. That being said, I usually only group with a fully fabled guild Fury who knows where her heal keys are hehe.

[KudLenka]

i think that fury are the new paladins. many of my veteran friends refused to group with paladins as they were profession of choice to new players for their solo ability and mix of features which tend to attract new players with vision of knights in shining armor. Furies are relatively easy to solo, well, they are effective at it than most classes. And the more people play certain class the more probable it is to find idiots among them. Furies in my opinion are fine healers and can play this role effectively in groups and raids - only their player need to know how and when heal and of course, instead of buying dps master they need to invest into their healing spells

[Jeger_Wulf]

<p>Just from my experience, I would say:</p><p>1. Troubadour 2. Defiler 3. Illusionist 4. Coercer</p><p>Coercers are becoming more common on my server. I see very few defilers, and have never grouped with another troubadour iirc. </p>