Tik-Tok language

[Drudge3]

Does anyone know anything about getting the language ?? Is it even a learnable language at this time ??

[Galithdor]

Lol i asked the same question im my guild the other day. The answer i got was "I dont think you can learn it at this time" heh so i dont think we can learn the 0's and 1's! <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cusashorn]

No, there is no language quest in the game for Tik-Tok. Been this way ever since beta. dont know why they wont add one, or not comment on why there isn't one already.

[Hannalynn]

I think it would be quite difficult for humanoids to create the sounds used in the Tik-Tok language. It's a series of clockwork noises and beats that probably aren't able to be reproduced by our vocal chords.

[Pogopuschel]

but that doesn't rule out that you can learn (= understand) it <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Hannalynn]

Ok, learn/understand I guess in a fantasy world anything is possible. Unless you're Syler though I really don't see how any humanoid could understand clockwork. ((There was a joke in that last sentance... anyone know where its from? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ))

[Lakaah]

It is mean to taunt us with a language we cannot learn! Bad SOE! <img src="/smilies/2e207fad049d4d292f60607f80f05768.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Galithdor]

<cite>Lakaah wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is mean to taunt us with a language we cannot learn! Bad SOE! <img src="/smilies/2e207fad049d4d292f60607f80f05768.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> Maybe they talk using 0's and 1's heh hey atleast we can learn other languages that dont involve making clockwork noises <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[FairysTear]

<cite>Hannalynn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, learn/understand I guess in a fantasy world anything is possible. Unless you're Syler though I really don't see how any humanoid could understand clockwork. ((There was a joke in that last sentance... anyone know where its from? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )) </blockquote> Heros <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cusashorn]

That Dwarf from the valentine's day event said that he understood Tik-Tok...

[mellowknees72]

<cite>Hannalynn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, learn/understand I guess in a fantasy world anything is possible. Unless you're Syler though I really don't see how any humanoid could understand clockwork. ((There was a joke in that last sentance... anyone know where its from? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )) </blockquote><p> Oh, come on...there are lots of us geeks out there who understand programming language.</p><p>Myself included.</p><p>10 ?"Can you read BASIC?" 20 INPUT A$ 30 If A$="NO", GOTO 60 40 ?"All right!" 50 END 60 ?"Wow...I don't know what to say.  I guess we really do have nothing in common."</p><p>Even people at McDonald's know what it means when the fryer beeps three times in a row.</p>

[Leafkiller]

Pipes@Najena wrote: <blockquote><cite>Hannalynn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, learn/understand I guess in a fantasy world anything is possible. Unless you're Syler though I really don't see how any humanoid could understand clockwork. ((There was a joke in that last sentance... anyone know where its from? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )) </blockquote><p> Oh, come on...there are lots of us geeks out there who understand programming language.</p><p>Myself included.</p><p>10 ?"Can you read BASIC?" 20 INPUT A$ 30 If A$="NO", GOTO 60 40 ?"All right!" 50 END 60 ?"Wow...I don't know what to say.  I guess we really do have nothing in common."</p><p>Even people at McDonald's know what it means when the fryer beeps three times in a row.</p></blockquote><p>They don't speak BASIC, or any readable programming language, they speak the same language a modem speak (you know, that hissing and bong sound that a modem makes as it connects). People can't speak that...hmmmm....although I did used to be able to make characters appear on the screen (by making modem noises) back when I had my first 300/400/1200 baud modem that you actually had to lift the phone reciever and put it into the modem cradle. And I certainly could tell from the sound if the handshake was happening correctly.</p><p>Hey, yea...we want clockwork <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Leafkiller wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pipes@Najena wrote: <blockquote><cite>Hannalynn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, learn/understand I guess in a fantasy world anything is possible. Unless you're Syler though I really don't see how any humanoid could understand clockwork. ((There was a joke in that last sentance... anyone know where its from? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )) </blockquote><p> Oh, come on...there are lots of us geeks out there who understand programming language.</p><p>Myself included.</p><p>10 ?"Can you read BASIC?" 20 INPUT A$ 30 If A$="NO", GOTO 60 40 ?"All right!" 50 END 60 ?"Wow...I don't know what to say.  I guess we really do have nothing in common."</p><p>Even people at McDonald's know what it means when the fryer beeps three times in a row.</p></blockquote><p>They don't speak BASIC, or any readable programming language, they speak the same language a modem speak (you know, that hissing and bong sound that a modem makes as it connects). People can't speak that...hmmmm....although I did used to be able to make characters appear on the screen (by making modem noises) back when I had my first 300/400/1200 baud modem that you actually had to lift the phone reciever and put it into the modem cradle. And I certainly could tell from the sound if the handshake was happening correctly.</p><p>Hey, yea...we want clockwork <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>I dont think modems speak binary, at least not all. And yeah, there are people that can read binary machine code. The old blood comp wizzies can.

[Maryk]

<cite>Leafkiller wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pipes@Najena wrote: <blockquote><cite>Hannalynn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, learn/understand I guess in a fantasy world anything is possible. Unless you're Syler though I really don't see how any humanoid could understand clockwork. ((There was a joke in that last sentance... anyone know where its from? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )) </blockquote><p> Oh, come on...there are lots of us geeks out there who understand programming language.</p><p>Myself included.</p><p>10 ?"Can you read BASIC?" 20 INPUT A$ 30 If A$="NO", GOTO 60 40 ?"All right!" 50 END 60 ?"Wow...I don't know what to say.  I guess we really do have nothing in common."</p><p>Even people at McDonald's know what it means when the fryer beeps three times in a row.</p></blockquote><p>They don't speak BASIC, or any readable programming language, they speak the same language a modem speak (you know, that hissing and bong sound that a modem makes as it connects). People can't speak that...hmmmm....although I did used to be able to make characters appear on the screen (by making modem noises) back when I had my first 300/400/1200 baud modem that you actually had to lift the phone reciever and put it into the modem cradle. And I certainly could tell from the sound if the handshake was happening correctly.</p><p>Hey, yea...we want clockwork <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>All the hissing and bonging...trust me...nothing but 1s and 0s.

[Rijacki]

<cite>Leafkiller wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pipes@Najena wrote: <blockquote><cite>Hannalynn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, learn/understand I guess in a fantasy world anything is possible. Unless you're Syler though I really don't see how any humanoid could understand clockwork. ((There was a joke in that last sentance... anyone know where its from? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )) </blockquote><p> Oh, come on...there are lots of us geeks out there who understand programming language.</p><p>Myself included.</p><p>10 ?"Can you read BASIC?" 20 INPUT A$ 30 If A$="NO", GOTO 60 40 ?"All right!" 50 END 60 ?"Wow...I don't know what to say.  I guess we really do have nothing in common."</p><p>Even people at McDonald's know what it means when the fryer beeps three times in a row.</p></blockquote><p>They don't speak BASIC, or any readable programming language, they speak the same language a modem speak (you know, that hissing and bong sound that a modem makes as it connects). People can't speak that...hmmmm....although I did used to be able to make characters appear on the screen (by making modem noises) back when I had my first 300/400/1200 baud modem that you actually had to lift the phone reciever and put it into the modem cradle. And I certainly could tell from the sound if the handshake was happening correctly.</p><p>Hey, yea...we want clockwork <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote><a href="http://www.insoc.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Information Society</a> have a couple songs (late 80s?) that are modem flows.. and there are some people who have translated them *laugh*.

[Krovis]

<p>1,2, You here the clock tickin'? Tik-tok, You about to stop livin'. Tik-tok, I want you to remember me. Tik-tok, but the day don't have no memory. I'm comin'! </p>

[mellowknees72]

<cite>Leafkiller wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pipes@Najena wrote: <blockquote><cite>Hannalynn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, learn/understand I guess in a fantasy world anything is possible. Unless you're Syler though I really don't see how any humanoid could understand clockwork. ((There was a joke in that last sentance... anyone know where its from? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )) </blockquote><p> Oh, come on...there are lots of us geeks out there who understand programming language.</p><p>Myself included.</p><p>10 ?"Can you read BASIC?" 20 INPUT A$ 30 If A$="NO", GOTO 60 40 ?"All right!" 50 END 60 ?"Wow...I don't know what to say.  I guess we really do have nothing in common."</p><p>Even people at McDonald's know what it means when the fryer beeps three times in a row.</p></blockquote><p>They don't speak BASIC, or any readable programming language, they speak the same language a modem speak (you know, that hissing and bong sound that a modem makes as it connects). People can't speak that...hmmmm....although I did used to be able to make characters appear on the screen (by making modem noises) back when I had my first 300/400/1200 baud modem that you actually had to lift the phone reciever and put it into the modem cradle. And I certainly could tell from the sound if the handshake was happening correctly.</p><p>Hey, yea...we want clockwork <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote><p>LOL...Thank you!</p><p>And, for the record, they DO speak a written language.  Their love notes were written in binary. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>My main point was that you don't need to be able to actually SPEAK to a clockwork to understand what it's trying to communicate to you.  And you got that loud and clear.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Laiina]

What we need is a Gnomish Translating Device now <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Thicket Tundrabog]

Understanding machine language has a long history. mmmmm... buzz... click... Solenoid robot (from the old Roger Ramjet cartoon).

[Eriol]

<cite>Leafkiller wrote:</cite><blockquote>They don't speak BASIC, or any readable programming language, they speak the same language a modem speak (you know, that hissing and bong sound that a modem makes as it connects). People can't speak that...hmmmm....although I did used to be able to make characters appear on the screen (by making modem noises) back when I had my first 300/400/1200 baud modem that you actually had to lift the phone reciever and put it into the modem cradle. And I certainly could tell from the sound if the handshake was happening correctly.</blockquote> Ya, I could do the same thing with my old 2400 baud.  I knew immediately if there was a connection problem just by the sound of the static. And for the extremely geeky out there, it's not actually pure 1's and 0's on the line.  The sound signal put down the line is usually both amplitude AND phase-shifted waveforms so that they can pack more than just the "core frequency" of the carrier wave down the phone line.  And that's why the quality of the line matters, as some of those subtleties get drowned out by the noise in the line if the noise is too much, and thus they need to downgrade to more "brute force" signals, which are slower.  Hence why when that modem says 28.8kbps it can be much lower on a bad line, as all the "tricks" don't work because of the noise.

[Maryk]

<cite>Eriol wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leafkiller wrote:</cite><blockquote>They don't speak BASIC, or any readable programming language, they speak the same language a modem speak (you know, that hissing and bong sound that a modem makes as it connects). People can't speak that...hmmmm....although I did used to be able to make characters appear on the screen (by making modem noises) back when I had my first 300/400/1200 baud modem that you actually had to lift the phone reciever and put it into the modem cradle. And I certainly could tell from the sound if the handshake was happening correctly.</blockquote> Ya, I could do the same thing with my old 2400 baud.  I knew immediately if there was a connection problem just by the sound of the static. And for the extremely geeky out there, it's not actually pure 1's and 0's on the line.  The sound signal put down the line is usually both amplitude AND phase-shifted waveforms so that they can pack more than just the "core frequency" of the carrier wave down the phone line.  And that's why the quality of the line matters, as some of those subtleties get drowned out by the noise in the line if the noise is too much, and thus they need to downgrade to more "brute force" signals, which are slower.  Hence why when that modem says 28.8kbps it can be much lower on a bad line, as all the "tricks" don't work because of the noise. </blockquote><p>Not to be too picky...but sort of (hard to explain).</p><p>The typical amplitude and phase shifted waveform...known as QAM...does give you more data per second (higher data rate)...without increasing the bauds per second (baud rate or signalling rate)...thus saving bandwidth.  As stated above...you can push more data down a narrower bandwidth...but the quality needs to be fairly pristine.  If not...you can "fallback" to a lower form of modulation.  </p><p>For example...a 16-state QAM can give you a 9600 data rate with only a 2400 bit rate.  Typical phone lines provide 4KHz bandwidth (the reason the most common modem bit rate was 2400bps).</p><p>By using QAM...where you shift the amplitude and phase of the subcarrier oscillator...you can pass four bits of data for every one signalling bit....you get 9600 bits of data for every 2400 bits of signalling speed. </p><p>But...bottom line...no matter what modulation scheme you use...they still are nothing but 1s and 0s.</p><p>Do I qualify for TIK-TOK?  (OK...I'm done being a geek)</p>

[Eriol]

<cite>Marykim wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do I qualify for TIK-TOK?  (OK...I'm done being a geek) </blockquote>I dunno.  I'd say post the explanation detailing the difference between the Laplace, Fourier, and z-transform representations of a signal, and then you can pass your introductory signal processing course.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Of course I'm sure to the layman, this looks like latin or something... which some of it is, which doesn't help either! hehe

[Maryk]

<cite>Eriol wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Marykim wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do I qualify for TIK-TOK?  (OK...I'm done being a geek) </blockquote>I dunno.  I'd say post the explanation detailing the difference between the Laplace, Fourier, and z-transform representations of a signal, and then you can pass your introductory signal processing course.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Of course I'm sure to the layman, this looks like latin or something... which some of it is, which doesn't help either! hehe </blockquote>Hey wait a minute...you trying to out-geek me?????!!!!!  <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Valdaglerion]

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[mellowknees72]

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[Maryk]

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>01001001001000000111001101110100011010010110110001 10110000100000011101110110000101101110011101000010 00000110000100100000011100010111010101100101011100 11011101000010000001110100011011110010000001101100 01100101011000010111001001101110001000000111010001 10100101101011001011010111010001101111011010110010 1110</p></blockquote>Be patient...I believe there will eventually be a quest to learn Tik-Tok....   <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[einar4]

<p> Well perhaps there is a protocol droid somewhere in Steamfont that will be able to teach adventurers some day.   </p><p>  Hmm... It appears that there are 10 viewpoints on this thread, those that think TikTok should be a learned language, and those that do not. </p>