M1 Coerce (lvl 20) vs AD3 Beguile (lvl 33)

[Agaxiq]

I haven't been able to find Beguile M1 and finally gave in to create an Adept 3. I'm level 34 now, and am 2-boxing with a necro going through Enchanted Lands. So far, the best mob in this zone to charm around my level is a Runnyeye Seer, which is a warlock. I'll debuff the mobs we're attacking with Damaged Psyche (AD1) and the Necro tank Pet will debuff it with Exposed Noxious (disease/poison debuff). Well, with the Level 20 Master I Coerce: Corrosive Strike - 800-1100 damage Gas Cloud - 600-700 damage Dark Distorion - 800 damage (doesnt seem to use this much) Negative Absolution - 800 damage (doesn't seem to use this much) With the Level 33 Adept III Beguile: Corrosive Strike - 200-300 damage Gas Cloud - 150-250 damage Negative Absolution - 200-300 damage Wow, they aren't even in the same league, there is that much difference.  I guess according to the charm guide, this is to be expected, but i had no idea it would be that much different at this lower level.   A 1000k non-crit nuke from a pet is awesome. Coerce does seem to break a bit more often and only lasts 10 minutes, but the extra damage output is definitely worth it. Luckily I have the M1 Dominate waiting at 47, but 61 Domination is a bit out of my reach price-wise, at least now. Who has dropped Beguile M1 for you guys?  Runnyeye?  Varsoon himself?  The AD3 Beguile is gonna go on the shelf, its worthless. agressiv

[chily]

<p>Why do so many coercer think are only born to get Master charm? I leveled up to 70 and after 2 or 3 month i buyed a master Domination charm and i had no prob. I had no probs to charm with ad1 or ad3. Coercer are one of the best Classes for groups.</p>

[Ran]

<p>The problem is not to charm the mob.. the problem is with adept 1 or 3 you never get nearly a result like with a m1 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. So dont make this spell Adept 3 if you got a lower M1 version. </p><p>If you would play more by yourself you would see the differenze between a m1 and  a adept 1 or 3.</p>

[chily]

Raniz@Valor wrote: <blockquote><p>The problem is not to charm the mob.. the problem is with adept 1 or 3 you never get nearly a result like with a m1 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. So dont make this spell Adept 3 if you got a lower M1 version. </p><p>If you would play more by yourself you would see the differenze between a m1 and  a adept 1 or 3.</p></blockquote> Oh i love my master charm <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but it's not all what a coercer can do

[Agaxiq]

I mainly duo with a Necro or a Bruiser, so a good charm is pretty essential, especially with limited healing. I group when I can, but most pickup groups at this level can't really appreciate the value of a Coercer.  Even then I'm on my toes and I tend to charm in dungeons anyways as long as the mobs aren't triple-up and white or above, depending on the group. I was just amazed at the difference between the AD3 Beguile and M1 Coerce.  I just hope the level 20 Coerce will last to 47 when I get Dominate (which I already have waiting at M1).  Domination is on the broker now for 40pp, which is well out of my league. agressiv