Offical response on Kilij?

[Katsugen]

<p>Have we ever heard a response from the Dev's about whether or not the Kilij procing on ranged attack is going to remain unchanged? It seems to me that the dmg proc triggering off range attacks is a bug. It also seems to me that alot of rangers use the Kilij. Since alot of us chose the Cutlass without knowledge of Kilij and its proc potential I feel slightly left out. </p><p>Either call it what it is, a bug and an expliot, and fix the Kilij; or say it's working as intended and give the rest of us a means to redo/swap the quest/reward. </p><p><img src="http://web.syr.edu/~rpkelly/eq2/Qeynos%20Kilij.jpg" border="0"></p><p>-Katsugen</p>

[EQ2Magroo]

This isn't the only melee weapon to proc on ranged attacks either. Valdoon's Vampiric Rapier has a fear proc that hits even though you are using a bow. It's nice to see a mob run towards you, get stunned by Raincaller, break stun and continue approaching only to then turn tail and run away feared so you can shoot it in the back <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Zendi_Perma]

<p>I think more things should proc from ranged if the text is correct per this dev post.</p><p>http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=348049</p>

[TerriBlades]

<p>We would all like to see more ranged procs, however I dont think they should be coming from melee weapons.</p><p>BTW, did they ever fix the ice forged sais? or do those still proc on ranged as well?</p>

[LoreLady]

If they wanted it melee only  they would have wrote "on successful melee attack" - it doesnt seem that its a bug, just the way its done.

[Star]

<cite>LoreLady wrote:</cite><blockquote>If they wanted it melee only  they would have wrote "on successful melee attack" - it doesnt seem that its a bug, just the way its done. </blockquote><p> When it says "on successful attack" on a melee weapon in <b>all</b> cases with the exception of the Kilij, the Cutlass, the Sai and a few others it means on a successful attack with the weapon that the proc is applied to. That's the rule, the Kilij etc are exceptions.</p><p> That's not the say that the text shouldn't be clarified. It should be. If they're going to have exceptions to the rule there should be some way for the players to determine that one particular item will proc on attacks other than it's own attack or proc on any attacks.</p>

[Magnethjelmen2]

This one is still alot better than that 5% chance <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Hmm, crappy imageshacks. Here is the link: <a href="http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/8901/maestrosli9.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/89...maestrosli9.jpg</a>

[Arleonenis]

<cite>Katsugen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Have we ever heard a response from the Dev's about whether or not the Kilij procing on ranged attack is going to remain unchanged? It seems to me that the dmg proc triggering off range attacks is a bug. It also seems to me that alot of rangers use the Kilij. Since alot of us chose the Cutlass without knowledge of Kilij and its proc potential I feel slightly left out. </p><p>Either call it what it is, a bug and an expliot, and fix the Kilij; or say it's working as intended and give the rest of us a means to redo/swap the quest/reward.</p> <p>-Katsugen</p></blockquote> HERE is your official response noob, 2 minutes of using search button: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=348049" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=348049</a> as you see "on succesfull attack" proc SHOULD always work on ranged if it isnt THAN its bug but that isnt answer you wanted yes? ofcorse yes and your: "<b>Either call it what it is, a bug and an expliot, and fix the Kilij; or say it's working as intended and give the rest of us a means to redo/swap the quest/reward.</b>" is like voice of angry baby that do wrong choice and picked diffrent toy than his "friends" and wants everybody other get scr%$ed and lost they toys (he will feel better than, oh so much better) or to have "second chance" becouse he deserves it from god law as he is soo special... (i never yet got so [Removed for Content] on forum to jump on someone but i hate such attitude in any form... and no i didnt done claymore yet and i will not do it in nearest months too probably)

[Safana.]

You are the noob, Arleonenis! Kilij only procs on ranged attacks because of the secondary effect the proc has, the same like the Ice forged sai! There is no melee weapon in game, that has a *on a(ny) successfull attack* proc that do dmg that procs on ranged like there is no bow with a dmg proc, that procs on melee... "On successful attack" procs dont proc from melee on bow and vice versa! So imho Kilij proc is a BUG!

[TerriBlades]

<p>Im really glad someone else responded to that guy before I couldnt. Arleonenis, your reply was rather rude.... for whatever reason, unwarrented, and quite stupid to boot.</p><p> And just for your information, melee weapons were supposed to all be standardized so they wouldnt proc off ranged awhile back. Back when they adjusted almost all of the proc mechanics iirc. So for there to be a handful of weapons that STILL to this day proc off ranged leaves a great many people still wondering if these weapons are working as intended. This isnt  the first time that the question has been asked, and unless they come right out and say it, or they standardize all the melee weapons like they were orignially supposed be to be, Im sure it wont be the last time that the question is raised.  And as far as I can tell, the link you provided answered absolutely NOTHING about the Kilij. Its as though the dev skiped right over it. Im sure in your mind thats just as good as a dev saying its working as intended, but from where Im sitting, he either didnt want to open that can of worms, OR he didnt know... so he skipped it.</p><p>As far as Im concerned, any melee weapon that procs off a ranged attack is broken.</p>

[Kradun]

personally.... I'd just stick to Archonix proc guide, but then again i find it to not be correct all the time. I'd wait for a dev response on this one, or use the previous dev response via the Proc Guide. Oh and btw... what does proc stand for?  Is it an acronym or what not?  I know what our use for it is, but what is the etymology of the word?  I'm quite curious... Wikipedia.com time.

[Kradun]

Proc defined taken from: <a href="http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=proc" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.urbandictionary.com/defi...e.php?term=proc</a> Proc: Programmed random occurance for those of you who were as curious as I was!

[Katsugen]

<cite>Arleonenis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Katsugen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Have we ever heard a response from the Dev's about whether or not the Kilij procing on ranged attack is going to remain unchanged? It seems to me that the dmg proc triggering off range attacks is a bug. It also seems to me that alot of rangers use the Kilij. Since alot of us chose the Cutlass without knowledge of Kilij and its proc potential I feel slightly left out. </p><p>Either call it what it is, a bug and an expliot, and fix the Kilij; or say it's working as intended and give the rest of us a means to redo/swap the quest/reward.</p> <p>-Katsugen</p></blockquote> HERE is your official response noob, 2 minutes of using search button: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=348049" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=348049</a> as you see "on succesfull attack" proc SHOULD always work on ranged if it isnt THAN its bug but that isnt answer you wanted yes? ofcorse yes and your: "<b>Either call it what it is, a bug and an expliot, and fix the Kilij; or say it's working as intended and give the rest of us a means to redo/swap the quest/reward.</b>" is like voice of angry baby that do wrong choice and picked diffrent toy than his "friends" and wants everybody other get scr%$ed and lost they toys (he will feel better than, oh so much better) or to have "second chance" becouse he deserves it from god law as he is soo special... (i never yet got so [Removed for Content] on forum to jump on someone but i hate such attitude in any form... and no i didnt done claymore yet and i will not do it in nearest months too probably)</blockquote><p>Wow thats pretty harsh. Where to begin with this one...</p><p>First off alot of the info in that link is just plain wrong. If the Dev's would like to make the hundreds of updates ingame to match that table I have no problem with that. But I don't think that going to happen. Frankly I would have expected all rangers to understand my problem with the description descrepency. I just assumed we all knew that melee weapon procs are not triggering off range attacks. I mean that was the big change in U19? that changed all procing.</p><p>But we have also talked about a handful of items that seem to be the exception to the rule. Generally seems to be when the proc is tied w/ another trigger. Whatever the reason I think it's a fair question to ask if this is the intent of the dev's. If it is the intent the weapon description is definitely not clear enough. </p><p>I did my claymore long ago, well before it was well known about the proc'n off range. I certianly would have choosen the Kilij if I had known it was intended to proc off of range attacks. The purpose of this post is simply to find out what the dev's are doing/not doing. </p><p>It's been a rather long time to be able to get a fix for these items, and if they don't intend to fix it, then I also would like to take advantage of an extra 1k proc. Now being that this is a non-repeatable quest reward, its not as if I can just redo it. I merely asking for a path to acquire the kilij. Heck I'd even do the entire Claymore quest over to get that 1k proc. Or they could just slap a proc on my Cutlass. </p><p>You don't like that I call it a bug and an exploit thats fine. But those are the type of words that will catch ppl's attention, and hopefully a dev's. There are alot of ppl that will agree they think it's broken. And I'm just looking for some clarification. So I can use such items without feeling like an exploiter  </p>

[Kradun]

you know what could solve all this bickering? a dev response. but as far as i know its too early to call this proc an exploit, rather a bug.  because of conflicting dev responses given earlier. heh, im still in SoS for claymore and cant progressit because im exile = /

[TerriBlades]

<cite>Kradun wrote:</cite><blockquote>you know what could solve all this bickering? a dev response. but as far as i know its too early to call this proc an exploit, rather a bug.  because of conflicting dev responses given earlier. heh, im still in SoS for claymore and cant progressit because im exile = / </blockquote><p>You're right, a dev response would end any bickering, but do you realize how many times this question has been raised? So far, still no response to it either. Its unlikely that this one would result in anything different.</p><p> As far as you know? Thats funny, because as far as I know, they were supposed to change ALL melee procs so they wouldnt proc off ranged. It is a bug? Probably.... would that make using the bug to ones advantage an exploit? Yeah, Id say so. Would I do the claymore line all over again if I could get the Kilij? Hell no, I've done it twice now... and I have no desire to revisit SoS or PoA.</p><p>On a side note, I always thought the word "proc" was short for process. Thats the first time Ive ever heard it called a programmed random occurance, and while fitting, I think someone made that up <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Nak]

that weapon was so last expansion, go find something new to ask questions about