For the New to PvP

[Norrsken]

If it is your first toon on a pvp server, you are in for a rude awakening. People will kill you over and over given the chance. People also behave very differently from mobs, so whatever you know about EQ2 fighting, well, its gonna help you learn how to fight in pvp, but you will have to learn how to fight. It will take a week or two to get sufficiently good to kill the non twinks that arent hardcore players. The hardcore players have been at it for a long, long time now, and if you think you will be able to go head to head with one of them the first couple of weeks you need to realize, you will die if you try. Then we have the case of the t2/3 army of twinks (Im one of them). People in more or less fully fabled/legendary gear with all masters. They will have 3-4 times as high stats, all the way thru, as you, apart from resists which will be about 10 times as high as yours. They also roam in groups. To be frank, to be competetive in these tiers you need a group, or you need to twink out, and probably botha t the same time. It is possible to do it with your first toon, but probably nothing you feel like doing since the prices for t2-3 masters are in the 1-5pp range. With your first toon I vote that you figure out how to stay in instances to t4, or find some nice grind groups that hide in far away spots where people rarely go (Gone is the notion of grinding the Best Exp mobs, they will surely be in the path of one of the twinks.) Once you hit t4, the twink will be an exception rather than a rule, and you should have pretty easy sailing up to t6 where it starts to heat up again but by then you should ahve picked up what you need to know to make it in the world of PvP in EQ2.<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Finding a good pvp guild is also something that is worth trying out if you are here for the pvp. Some guilds can shorten your learning time very much by giving you all the hot info you need to become a better pvper. They can also help you out with PvE, getting rid fo that stupid scout that keeps griefing you and other annoying things. And pvp is all about your buddies. If you want fair 1 on 1 fights, this is not the place to look for them. PvE servers have duels for just that. PvP servers is a rough country where you are either the prey or the predator. Its your choice which one you want to be. Most of the time. If PvP is something for you, and you make it thru the first couple of weeks of learning (And twinks) you will love playing on a pvp server. It has its ups (Like when you kill That Person that used to grief you without end when you were leveling up) and its downs (When That Person were griefing you). If you feel that it has more downs than ups, then it is not for you, and you should probably not linger on a pvp server any longer since its going to ruin a perfectly good game for you. And you will die. Repeatedly.

[Eluzay]

<cite>Norrsken wrote:</cite><blockquote>If it is your first toon on a pvp server, you are in for a rude awakening. People will kill you over and over given the chance. People also behave very differently from mobs, so whatever you know about EQ2 fighting, well, its gonna help you learn how to fight in pvp, but you will have to learn how to fight. It will take a week or two to get sufficiently good to kill the non twinks that arent hardcore players. The hardcore players have been at it for a long, long time now, and if you think you will be able to go head to head with one of them the first couple of weeks you need to realize, you will die if you try. Then we have the case of the t2/3 army of twinks (Im one of them). People in more or less fully fabled/legendary gear with all masters. They will have 3-4 times as high stats, all the way thru, as you, apart from resists which will be about 10 times as high as yours. They also roam in groups. To be frank, to be competetive in these tiers you need a group, or you need to twink out, and probably botha t the same time. It is possible to do it with your first toon, but probably nothing you feel like doing since the prices for t2-3 masters are in the 1-5pp range. With your first toon I vote that you figure out how to stay in instances to t4, or find some nice grind groups that hide in far away spots where people rarely go (Gone is the notion of grinding the Best Exp mobs, they will surely be in the path of one of the twinks.) Once you hit t4, the twink will be an exception rather than a rule, and you should have pretty easy sailing up to t6 where it starts to heat up again but by then you should ahve picked up what you need to know to make it in the world of PvP in EQ2.<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Finding a good pvp guild is also something that is worth trying out if you are here for the pvp. Some guilds can shorten your learning time very much by giving you all the hot info you need to become a better pvper. They can also help you out with PvE, getting rid fo that stupid scout that keeps griefing you and other annoying things. And pvp is all about your buddies. If you want fair 1 on 1 fights, this is not the place to look for them. PvE servers have duels for just that. PvP servers is a rough country where you are either the prey or the predator. Its your choice which one you want to be. Most of the time. If PvP is something for you, and you make it thru the first couple of weeks of learning (And twinks) you will love playing on a pvp server. It has its ups (Like when you kill That Person that used to grief you without end when you were leveling up) and its downs (When That Person were griefing you). If you feel that it has more downs than ups, then it is not for you, and you should probably not linger on a pvp server any longer since its going to ruin a perfectly good game for you. And you will die. Repeatedly. </blockquote>firstlly i get one v one fights all the time, even with people watching, in T7 people must be more in control of themselves. secondly if you are new to pvp just level through the twinks, and when you hit about level 20 and leave the traininig wheels zones you will leave the training wheel pvpers behind as well.

[Greeen-_-Ranger]

Yea...on Vox the only reason anyone twinks is for the benefit of new players. Trust me, you'll either quit or level as fast as possible.  And there is such a vacuum in upper tiers, as long as your not a brigand, you'll find a spot in a decent guild!  Mwahhahahahahahah~~~~~yea...my brigand actually found a decent guild though, go figure.

[Norrsken]

Ssslick@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Norrsken wrote:</cite><blockquote>If it is your first toon on a pvp server, you are in for a rude awakening. People will kill you over and over given the chance. People also behave very differently from mobs, so whatever you know about EQ2 fighting, well, its gonna help you learn how to fight in pvp, but you will have to learn how to fight. It will take a week or two to get sufficiently good to kill the non twinks that arent hardcore players. The hardcore players have been at it for a long, long time now, and if you think you will be able to go head to head with one of them the first couple of weeks you need to realize, you will die if you try. Then we have the case of the t2/3 army of twinks (Im one of them). People in more or less fully fabled/legendary gear with all masters. They will have 3-4 times as high stats, all the way thru, as you, apart from resists which will be about 10 times as high as yours. They also roam in groups. To be frank, to be competetive in these tiers you need a group, or you need to twink out, and probably botha t the same time. It is possible to do it with your first toon, but probably nothing you feel like doing since the prices for t2-3 masters are in the 1-5pp range. With your first toon I vote that you figure out how to stay in instances to t4, or find some nice grind groups that hide in far away spots where people rarely go (Gone is the notion of grinding the Best Exp mobs, they will surely be in the path of one of the twinks.) Once you hit t4, the twink will be an exception rather than a rule, and you should have pretty easy sailing up to t6 where it starts to heat up again but by then you should ahve picked up what you need to know to make it in the world of PvP in EQ2.<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Finding a good pvp guild is also something that is worth trying out if you are here for the pvp. Some guilds can shorten your learning time very much by giving you all the hot info you need to become a better pvper. They can also help you out with PvE, getting rid fo that stupid scout that keeps griefing you and other annoying things. And pvp is all about your buddies. If you want fair 1 on 1 fights, this is not the place to look for them. PvE servers have duels for just that. PvP servers is a rough country where you are either the prey or the predator. Its your choice which one you want to be. Most of the time. If PvP is something for you, and you make it thru the first couple of weeks of learning (And twinks) you will love playing on a pvp server. It has its ups (Like when you kill That Person that used to grief you without end when you were leveling up) and its downs (When That Person were griefing you). If you feel that it has more downs than ups, then it is not for you, and you should probably not linger on a pvp server any longer since its going to ruin a perfectly good game for you. And you will die. Repeatedly. </blockquote>firstlly i get one v one fights all the time, even with people watching, in T7 people must be more in control of themselves. secondly if you are new to pvp just level through the twinks, and when you hit about level 20 and leave the traininig wheels zones you will leave the training wheel pvpers behind as well. </blockquote>Firstly, I dont doubt that you get 1 vs 1 one bit but dont expect it to be the way its always fought, but when you hit t6, you will find the same guys that farm faction down in t2/3 ont heir lvl 60-65 toons farming grays in SS. That was not my point though. t4-5 is rather slow on pvp. You are either in t2/3 or in t7. t6 is where people start to gear up again, and once agan show up for pvp rather than grinding, thus pvp starts to heat up again at that tier. Secondly, you need to get to 30 to get out of the twink areas. Ergo, t4.

[Greeen-_-Ranger]

OR!!!!  Stay out of Antonica / CL and be careful in ROV.  LOL.  Norrs....you are giving solid advise, I hope new players / players considering coming from blue servers read a post like this.  For the first time PVP toon this is VERY good advise.  Another thing:  Whether you want to 'solo' or group pvp...keep in mind that as you are new to pvp, grouping with other more experienced players could teach you alot.  Grouping with other new players is also alot of fun, so if your just coming to a pvp server, group up!  I will take a death anyday if it means saving a new player, no matter if I'm on a fp or a q.

[Eluzay]

<cite>Norrsken wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ssslick@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Norrsken wrote:</cite><blockquote>If it is your first toon on a pvp server, you are in for a rude awakening. People will kill you over and over given the chance. People also behave very differently from mobs, so whatever you know about EQ2 fighting, well, its gonna help you learn how to fight in pvp, but you will have to learn how to fight. It will take a week or two to get sufficiently good to kill the non twinks that arent hardcore players. The hardcore players have been at it for a long, long time now, and if you think you will be able to go head to head with one of them the first couple of weeks you need to realize, you will die if you try. Then we have the case of the t2/3 army of twinks (Im one of them). People in more or less fully fabled/legendary gear with all masters. They will have 3-4 times as high stats, all the way thru, as you, apart from resists which will be about 10 times as high as yours. They also roam in groups. To be frank, to be competetive in these tiers you need a group, or you need to twink out, and probably botha t the same time. It is possible to do it with your first toon, but probably nothing you feel like doing since the prices for t2-3 masters are in the 1-5pp range. With your first toon I vote that you figure out how to stay in instances to t4, or find some nice grind groups that hide in far away spots where people rarely go (Gone is the notion of grinding the Best Exp mobs, they will surely be in the path of one of the twinks.) Once you hit t4, the twink will be an exception rather than a rule, and you should have pretty easy sailing up to t6 where it starts to heat up again but by then you should ahve picked up what you need to know to make it in the world of PvP in EQ2.<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Finding a good pvp guild is also something that is worth trying out if you are here for the pvp. Some guilds can shorten your learning time very much by giving you all the hot info you need to become a better pvper. They can also help you out with PvE, getting rid fo that stupid scout that keeps griefing you and other annoying things. And pvp is all about your buddies. If you want fair 1 on 1 fights, this is not the place to look for them. PvE servers have duels for just that. PvP servers is a rough country where you are either the prey or the predator. Its your choice which one you want to be. Most of the time. If PvP is something for you, and you make it thru the first couple of weeks of learning (And twinks) you will love playing on a pvp server. It has its ups (Like when you kill That Person that used to grief you without end when you were leveling up) and its downs (When That Person were griefing you). If you feel that it has more downs than ups, then it is not for you, and you should probably not linger on a pvp server any longer since its going to ruin a perfectly good game for you. And you will die. Repeatedly. </blockquote>firstlly i get one v one fights all the time, even with people watching, in T7 people must be more in control of themselves. secondly if you are new to pvp just level through the twinks, and when you hit about level 20 and leave the traininig wheels zones you will leave the training wheel pvpers behind as well. </blockquote>Firstly, I dont doubt that you get 1 vs 1 one bit but dont expect it to be the way its always fought, but when you hit t6, you will find the same guys that farm faction down in t2/3 ont heir lvl 60-65 toons farming grays in SS. That was not my point though. t4-5 is rather slow on pvp. You are either in t2/3 or in t7. t6 is where people start to gear up again, and once agan show up for pvp rather than grinding, thus pvp starts to heat up again at that tier. Secondly, you need to get to 30 to get out of the twink areas. Ergo, t4. </blockquote>yeah, but there is little pvp in nek or TS if you know where to go (not to mention the eof zones) ... the twink pvp is in T2 zones so being T3 will get you away from most of the uber twink pvp.  I find a lot of fun in zek for pvp, not group pvp but pvp for T4, and enchanted lands.  For T5 I have not pvp'd there in some time but everfrost was always good pvp for me.

[Norrsken]

Ssslick@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Norrsken wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ssslick@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Norrsken wrote:</cite><blockquote>If it is your first toon on a pvp server, you are in for a rude awakening. People will kill you over and over given the chance. People also behave very differently from mobs, so whatever you know about EQ2 fighting, well, its gonna help you learn how to fight in pvp, but you will have to learn how to fight. It will take a week or two to get sufficiently good to kill the non twinks that arent hardcore players. The hardcore players have been at it for a long, long time now, and if you think you will be able to go head to head with one of them the first couple of weeks you need to realize, you will die if you try. Then we have the case of the t2/3 army of twinks (Im one of them). People in more or less fully fabled/legendary gear with all masters. They will have 3-4 times as high stats, all the way thru, as you, apart from resists which will be about 10 times as high as yours. They also roam in groups. To be frank, to be competetive in these tiers you need a group, or you need to twink out, and probably botha t the same time. It is possible to do it with your first toon, but probably nothing you feel like doing since the prices for t2-3 masters are in the 1-5pp range. With your first toon I vote that you figure out how to stay in instances to t4, or find some nice grind groups that hide in far away spots where people rarely go (Gone is the notion of grinding the Best Exp mobs, they will surely be in the path of one of the twinks.) Once you hit t4, the twink will be an exception rather than a rule, and you should have pretty easy sailing up to t6 where it starts to heat up again but by then you should ahve picked up what you need to know to make it in the world of PvP in EQ2.<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Finding a good pvp guild is also something that is worth trying out if you are here for the pvp. Some guilds can shorten your learning time very much by giving you all the hot info you need to become a better pvper. They can also help you out with PvE, getting rid fo that stupid scout that keeps griefing you and other annoying things. And pvp is all about your buddies. If you want fair 1 on 1 fights, this is not the place to look for them. PvE servers have duels for just that. PvP servers is a rough country where you are either the prey or the predator. Its your choice which one you want to be. Most of the time. If PvP is something for you, and you make it thru the first couple of weeks of learning (And twinks) you will love playing on a pvp server. It has its ups (Like when you kill That Person that used to grief you without end when you were leveling up) and its downs (When That Person were griefing you). If you feel that it has more downs than ups, then it is not for you, and you should probably not linger on a pvp server any longer since its going to ruin a perfectly good game for you. And you will die. Repeatedly. </blockquote>firstlly i get one v one fights all the time, even with people watching, in T7 people must be more in control of themselves. secondly if you are new to pvp just level through the twinks, and when you hit about level 20 and leave the traininig wheels zones you will leave the training wheel pvpers behind as well. </blockquote>Firstly, I dont doubt that you get 1 vs 1 one bit but dont expect it to be the way its always fought, but when you hit t6, you will find the same guys that farm faction down in t2/3 ont heir lvl 60-65 toons farming grays in SS. That was not my point though. t4-5 is rather slow on pvp. You are either in t2/3 or in t7. t6 is where people start to gear up again, and once agan show up for pvp rather than grinding, thus pvp starts to heat up again at that tier. Secondly, you need to get to 30 to get out of the twink areas. Ergo, t4. </blockquote>yeah, but there is little pvp in nek or TS if you know where to go (not to mention the eof zones) ... the twink pvp is in T2 zones so being T3 will get you away from most of the uber twink pvp.  I find a lot of fun in zek for pvp, not group pvp but pvp for T4, and enchanted lands.  For T5 I have not pvp'd there in some time but everfrost was always good pvp for me. </blockquote>True. So, its basically, if you are new to the pvp servers, dont compete with the several months old twinks in t2/3. Get some levels and fight fair fights. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Zacarus]

I think this original post was very well written, thank you for adding it.  I will add my $.02. 1. Check the equipment of the person(s) you group with before setting out in the wild countryside.  That will give you a lot of information about them.  If their equipment is really poor, and / or in really poor condition, I ask myself whether I want to be grouped with them.  They might be a great person, but I prefer grouping with people who I think will give me a better chance to live (if I'm questing) or kill (if I'm pvp hunting). 2. Make sure you have the EoF expansion.  I returned to EQ2 after 18 months, and didn't have the expansion.  My first 2 weeks on Nagafen were spent rolling toons who weren't accruing AA (Alternate Achievements) points.  One of those is now pretty much a crafter, the other I will grind out. 3. Know your hotbar.  When I played a trub on Blackburrow I didn't pay so much attention to laying out my CA's (Combat Art skills).  In a pvp fight in Tier 2, the battles go pretty quick.  If you are scrambling around, searching for whatever button to click, you are detracting from your ability to put up a good fight. 4. Roll a harvester, preferably a scout.  Make a < level 10 toon and just run around Antonica, Thundering Steppes, Nektulos, and Commonlands.  Get to know the countryside, and keep your track window up.  This will help you learn where the lurkers camp.  While doing that harvest and you will have rares to sell or use. 5. Take your time.  Really, I haven't had as much fun playing a computer game in a long time.  PVP is a blast, but there's a learning curve.  Posts like this first one, and good group buddies are worth their weight in gold.

[tass]

yep yep if they don't have master crafted or some kind of good armor they most likly havent put much time in they're char and so they probably suck. U'll need the best going up against the best, otherwise u'll be hitting for less than than they can woop on u for.

[Darthus]

I often hear "Don't be in CL or Antonica if you don't want to get ganked by twinkers". What other options are there for someone levelling from 10-20? From what I saw, all the quests I got in that level range were in CL as a Freep.

[Ammem]

This is true and yeah it sucks being a level 15 Exile doesn't it.<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Killed you twice. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bozidar]

<cite>Darthus wrote:</cite><blockquote>I often hear "Don't be in CL or Antonica if you don't want to get ganked by twinkers". What other options are there for someone levelling from 10-20? From what I saw, all the quests I got in that level range were in CL as a Freep. </blockquote><p>the ruins.  grind to like 15th or so, then do wailing caves, and move on to Nek asap if you want to avoid the gank squads</p><p>or nut-up, build a twinkie, and push their [Removed for Content] in </p>

[Norrsken]

Qsbane@Vox wrote: <blockquote><cite>Darthus wrote:</cite><blockquote>I often hear "Don't be in CL or Antonica if you don't want to get ganked by twinkers". What other options are there for someone levelling from 10-20? From what I saw, all the quests I got in that level range were in CL as a Freep. </blockquote><p>the ruins.  grind to like 15th or so, then do wailing caves, and move on to Nek asap if you want to avoid the gank squads</p><p>or nut-up, build a twinkie, and push their [I cannot control my vocabulary] in </p></blockquote> Bloodskull Valley solo instance, Fire Myst Gully, Valley of the rogue magi, Shattered vale. Those should get you from 10 to 20 if you feel like it. BSV doesnt have a lockout unless you kill the nameds. the nameds does drop fabled stuff if you kill them, about once every 50 nameds.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Ammemti wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is true and yeah it sucks being a level 15 Exile doesn't it.<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Killed you twice. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>Not too bad nowadays. Used to be hell during the summer. Had a toon going up in exile back then but I really didnt like the class or I'd have a guy having gone from 10 to 70 as exiled a few months ago. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Decided to finally get this toon going (Planned it since 2 months before EoF pretty much) And once I get some better gear, I'll put up a decent fight as well. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> atm Im in about 40% noobie gear, the rest is empty. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ammem]

Well I doubt you will put up much of a fight on your illusionist because I am wizzy, unless of course you gank me. By the way since you have more experience with exiles is it worth it to go exile if I want more targets? Or do you get killed a lot by reds.

[Skill]

<span style="font-family: helvetica"><span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #0099ff">Yeah, gratz to the OP for giving solid advice. Personally, I think if you want to get the most out of EQ2's PvP, you should: 1) Level a character to 70 (working on it) 2) Twink out another character and lock them in the T2-3 range 3) Harvest/craft your tail off when you get a chance so you can afford the best gear for your characters. 4) Find a good guild and make friends with good players who aren't jerks (easier said then done. My guild Condemned is great. There are lots of other guilds on all 3 sides that are full of great players and people. And lots of guilds that are horrid. Shop around) The thing about PvP is having fun. From what I hear, T7 PvP is crazy fun, no matter what class you pick. T2-3 PvP as a twink is also fun, always lots of targets, and people more twinked then you. I say, roll a few chars on Naggy, and do it all. Nothing wrong with keeping your options open. Just my 2cp. </span></span></span>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Ammemti wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well I doubt you will put up much of a fight on your illusionist because I am wizzy, unless of course you gank me. By the way since you have more experience with exiles is it worth it to go exile if I want more targets? Or do you get killed a lot by reds.</blockquote>Im doing it for the challenge of it pretty much. You will have lots and lots and lots of targets. The only problem is, there seem to be a lot of reds around. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (Might be because I am so low level atm tho) and yeah, my kvd is 7/55 or something like that atm, so that speaks for itself. So, if you dont mind dying lots, not finding groups and getting griefed by people in need of an [Removed for Content]strokin' its quite fun. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And, tbh, wizzies arent usually much of a problem for an enchanter once we get to high t3. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I am killing orange wizzies easily on my lvl 34 coercer.

[Ammem]

The thing is that I am locked Wizzy, so unless you're way above my level not much of a chance. Coercers as well. However Coercers become really ahrd for mages when they get spell proc. ( i also have a Coercer, they're fun. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)

[Norrsken]

<cite>Ammemti wrote:</cite><blockquote>The thing is that I am locked Wizzy, so unless you're way above my level not much of a chance. Coercers as well. However Coercers become really ahrd for mages when they get spell proc. ( i also have a Coercer, they're fun. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</blockquote>Hehe,w ell, if you are locked at anywhere below high t3, that is because the enchanters really doesnt get into their own until then. Once they do, well. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I can probably keep you locked down and unable to cast until I have you dead t4+. Thats most of the time how I kill with my coercer. In t3, I have a slightly different stractic. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Get you oop. Alas, we'll just have to settle this on the battlefield. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ammem]

See you there!! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[TheLopper]

Chin up buddy, it'll only get better <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Norrsken]

<cite>TheLopper wrote:</cite><blockquote>Chin up buddy, it'll only get better <img src="/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote>Im actually having quite fun. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Fearborn]

<p>Good post Norr, I agree with all of those points.</p><p>I also think there should be tips specifically for PvP just like when you start out on the island, but instead of things like, "This target is part of an encounter", or "This is an NPC, try speaking to them" etc, we will have:</p><p>"You've just been ganked by a twink, don't revive and return to the same place, or he will gank you again, it's really not that complex".</p><p>"This is the Wailing Caves, questing here might seem like a good idea, but it's all going to end in tears when the gank squad steams through".</p><p>"You have reached lvl 18! Now is a good time to upgrade your Nautilus Shell earring, can you not see you are a liability to any group you are in".</p><p>"You thought you were doing well against that mob, but then died in three seconds?  That's called a ranger, and he shot you in the back without you even knowing it".</p><p>"Danger, that might look like a blue con opponent, but he has Champion before his name and he is going to own your sorry [Removed for Content] wandering around in Island gear, honestly, just sprint to the guards".</p><p>"The nodes around here look sweet, but you are harvesting on the PvP highway.  Get your butt somewhere safer or you will be taking a closer look at the flowers".</p><p>"The spell you are casting on that orange con twink is Apprentice I, face it, it's not gonna land and you are going to die in 3 seconds.  Do you know how easy it is to make your own T2 Adept III's?".</p><p>"Congratulations, you have found a rare!  I know it says rare, but please don't think you are going to get 8 plat for it.  Try making something yourself instead".</p><p>"The last 4 times you have been questing in The Caves, you have been group ganked by 14 orange twinks.  Are you sure you need to complete that gnoll quest right now, during peak hours?".</p><p>"Welcome, this is an instance, breathe out and let your hair down, go AFK if you like, those Nightmare Horse riding twink [Removed for Content] can't touch you here".</p><p>"You are standing at your respawn point with no immunity, were you born stupid?".</p><p>"That's a lvl 20 exile Shadowknight.  No he is not rushing over to chat.  Probably a good time to move".</p><p>"Yes, the Shadowknight is camping now after Hard Touching you.  No, don't come back here in 15 minutes to see if you can get some revenge".</p><p>"Your opponent has created a pet called "Lolnewb" and is hailing it to gain your attention.  Try moving the "You have died" dialogue box to see him".</p><p>"You are about to experience a group encounter.  6 twinks are smuggled right behind you.  Don't worry this will be over quickly, and you can probably come back and finish the gnoll quest once respawning".</p><p>"Over there is a grey exile.  It's probably the only chance you are going to get to pwn someone, so rush over and kill him.  Don't forget to teabag his poor corpse and create a pet called "Hahadienewb" and hail it to the point of boredom".</p><p>"After beating your opponents, they have returned as a x2 raid.  Now is the time to form a badly organised x4 raid to combat them.  They will then return with a 2x x4 raid and you will all have got a bit bored after 5 minutes and disbanded.  They will then kill you several times and rejoice in it".</p><p>"Probably best not to attack that innocent looking blue con druid standing next to the red con Swashbucker.  He has invited the red con player and as soon as you hit him the red con will smack you down in one hit, giving you a quick trip to the nearest respawn point".</p><p>"Your kill/death ratio is currently 1/50.  You will probably feel like rolling a ranger very soon".</p>

[Wytie]

<p>^ </p><p>^</p><p>now thats good stuff <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>