Rigid Scale Bow

[athitchcock]

Is this real?? <img src="http://eq2.xanadu-community.com/images/loot/1513.jpg" border="0"> And if it is, wouldn't it be the best in the game?

[Starwindz]

never seen it before but if it is real yes it woudl be by far

[chrystolr]

woo look at the delay on that. The damage has to be insane.

[Walford]

<p>With those stats it might as well be mythical... <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Oh wait, I forgot that nearly all T7 Fabled bows are mythical <b><i>already!</i></b></p><p>*mutters*</p><p>Canul 70 Ranger  AB</p>

[Magnethjelmen2]

Seems to be a recipe there drops from Wuoshi in Emerald Halls <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[TerriBlades]

<cite>Magnethjelmen2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seems to be a recipe there drops from Wuoshi in Emerald Halls <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>What he said, and yes, its very real... but I imagine its also going to be extremely rare.

[Prandtl]

It's tradeable!  Notice the 4:1 damage ratio.  I'd guestimate it critting for over 10K.  Apparently it is crafted from an item that drops off Woushi.  I wonder how many plat it would go for on the broker...

[Aroumon]

<p>Yes its real...and breakin 10k crit ins't an uber feat I do it all the time.. best hit with Star Darkened Longbow is 15k crit double attack with procs and such it was about 34k damage.</p><p>This bow is played made all you need is the components taht drop out of EH and a person with the recipe ( of the right lvl ) and bam you get the item.</p>

[TerriBlades]

<cite>Aroumon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yes its real...and breakin 10k crit ins't an uber feat I do it all the time.. best hit with Star Darkened Longbow is 15k crit double attack with procs and such it was about 34k damage.</p><p>This bow is played made <b>all you need is the components taht drop out of EH and a person with the recipe</b> ( of the right lvl ) and bam you get the item.</p></blockquote> That really tickled me... All you need is the components and the recipe. First off, most players wont be just running to the 3rd floor of EH. Second, you have to actually get the comps and the recipe to drop. Its already NOT easy to get this, but if this recipe is anything like the other recipes that come out of EH, its going to be a limited use recipe. Just like the tenderwood arrow is a five use recipe, Id be willing to bet the one for the bow will be limited as well. How limited, I dont know. I wouldnt expect to see this bow on the market anytime too soon, as Im sure the guilds that get the needed items will pass them around to guildmates first, and if you do, look for it to top 100p easy.

[hawk987]

Heh...100p looting rights for a Longbow of Corruption going for 210ish p on my server....

[TerriBlades]

That was just a rough guess, and I generally dont see anyone selling loot rights for anything on my server. At least I never did before I turned off my 60 and 70s chat. Either way, be it 100p, 250p or 1000p.... I imagine its still going to be a long while before anyone is selling this bow, and if they do, its going to be expensive.

[Star]

Prolly will be really expensive. I'm wondering if these recipies use the new mechanic like the drink recipie off the bartender in Unrest. Apparently that recipie removed itself from your list of recipies after you've used it 5 times or something.

[Kradun]

when i see this bow i double attack all over my own face.

[Telaris]

<p>If anyone has the recipe I have the rare, I will transfer to your server and pay plats to have it made.  Either give me an in game tell or PM me.</p><p>Thanks!</p>

[Magnethjelmen2]

<cite>Telaris wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If anyone has the recipe I have the rare, I will transfer to your server and pay plats to have it made.  Either give me an in game tell or PM me.</p><p>Thanks!</p></blockquote>What is the rare there is neede to make it? And where is it from? Would also like to know what resources you need to make the other things from EH ig anyone knows <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kala Asuras]

Pretty sure the rare he is talking about is a scale from the 3rd floor trash.  If anyone has the specifics on the recipie such as how many bows can be created from each woushi woodworker recipie drop i would love to hear it. 

[QUACKMASTER]

I`m sure the one for the bow will look just like the one i`m posting below of the one handed sword i made for 2 guildies after clearing EH.  I`m sure it will be limited in the amount of uses as was the blade. <img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v662/sircaddo/EQ2_000025.jpg" border="0">

[Wil81115]

Kala Asuras wrote: <blockquote>Pretty sure the rare he is talking about is a scale from the 3rd floor trash.  If anyone has the specifics on the recipie such as how many bows can be created from each woushi woodworker recipie drop i would love to hear it.  </blockquote><p>Yes, its the scale from the 3rd floor that is whats needed. The recipe is Tunare's (something) volume 2(i can look it up once i get home from work..) I was told it makes 5 bows.  yeah a 4:1 ratio is nice, i'd guess closer to 15K crits, depending on how much the mob is debuffed.. I've hit for 10k with my Sarnak and Glob ammo.. </p>

[snowbrdr093]

The bow is pretty good, the only down side is it's relatively small damage range, 1:4 is really low compared to most fabled bows. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Anyways, heres a picture of it if anyone wanted to see it. It requires the scale from trash and some other harvestable stuff I think. <a href="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/snowbrdr093/EQ2_000060-1.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d...Q2_000060-1.jpg</a>

[AndrewSquared]

<cite>snowbrdr093 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The bow is pretty good, the only down side is it's relatively small damage range, 1:4 is really low compared to most fabled bows. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Anyways, heres a picture of it if anyone wanted to see it. It requires the scale from trash and some other harvestable stuff I think. <a href="http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d22/snowbrdr093/EQ2_000060-1.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d...Q2_000060-1.jpg</a> </blockquote> The bows nice, but what armor is that, it's looks great. The kind of stuff I've been expecting for a long time.

[TemerNeziel]

At a guess I'd say all pieces that you can see in the pic are the outrider set, minus the legs. Seems to follow a similar pattern to the other scout set armor I have seen around

[Gungo]

You got to really wonder are 5 tradeable bows per book really a sound decision. That is going to be alot of bows eventually hitting the market. That is a poor decision imho. The recipe should be a single use. I have a feeling in 3 months time each server wil have at least 50+ of these bows out there. Considering its the arguably the best bow in game it probably shouldn't be the most common as well. They still have time to correct this issue if they act fast and limit the recipe on armour, weapon, bow recipes to a single charge. AND Leave consumables such as scrolls, potions, provisioners, poisens at 10 charges.

[TerriBlades]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>You got to really wonder are 5 tradeable bows per book really a sound decision. That is going to be alot of bows eventually hitting the market. That is a poor decision imho. The recipe should be a single use. I have a feeling in 3 months time each server wil have at least 50+ of these bows out there. Considering its the arguably the best bow in game it probably shouldn't be the most common as well. They still have time to correct this issue if they act fast and limit the recipe on armour, weapon, bow recipes to a single charge. AND Leave consumables such as scrolls, potions, provisioners, poisens at 10 charges.</blockquote> You seem to be forgetting a few things. Each of those crafted bows, <b>should </b>(I cant confirm this, but maybe someone else can) require a rare drop to craft it. On top of that, before anyone outside of the guilds capable of killing Woushi and clearing the 3rd floor start to toss these bows on the broker, Im sure they'd use it to gear up everyone inside the guild first. Thats how many scouts and plate tanks? Im betting it'll be more then 5, so 2 recipe drops minimum and 10 rare drops (scales, I think)... by the time they get that, we should be rolling into the new expansion.

[Whtegranite]

I agree with you Terri.. lol I know I'll never see one for myself <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gungo]

<cite>TerriBlades wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>You got to really wonder are 5 tradeable bows per book really a sound decision. That is going to be alot of bows eventually hitting the market. That is a poor decision imho. The recipe should be a single use. I have a feeling in 3 months time each server wil have at least 50+ of these bows out there. Considering its the arguably the best bow in game it probably shouldn't be the most common as well. They still have time to correct this issue if they act fast and limit the recipe on armour, weapon, bow recipes to a single charge. AND Leave consumables such as scrolls, potions, provisioners, poisens at 10 charges.</blockquote> You seem to be forgetting a few things. Each of those crafted bows, <b>should </b>(I cant confirm this, but maybe someone else can) require a rare drop to craft it. On top of that, before anyone outside of the guilds capable of killing Woushi and clearing the 3rd floor start to toss these bows on the broker, Im sure they'd use it to gear up everyone inside the guild first. Thats how many scouts and plate tanks? Im betting it'll be more then 5, so 2 recipe drops minimum and 10 rare drops (scales, I think)... by the time they get that, we should be rolling into the new expansion.</blockquote> Nice conjecture but thats not exactly how it works. The RARE drop is off trash mobs. The drop incase of the bow can drop 4-8 times on a floor clearing. 1 scale needed per combine. The BOOK drops off the floor boss. In this case woushi. Woushi has 5 books so a 1 in 5 chance of dropping this particualr book. But my point still stands taht all the weaponsmith, armour, and item centric books should be made into 1 charge, becasue right now as this is the best bow in game it is also one of the most common bows. Gearing up a guild with a recipe that makes 5 per combine would only take 2 recipe books max before you see these bows hit the broker at an alarming rate. This includes your predator, rogues, warriors, and crusaders thats it. Less then 2 books worth to equip the best bow in game in matter of weeks. the truth is by the time they get that any guild able to kill woushi right now. will be selling these bows on the borker by may 6 months shy of the next expansion. plenty of time for 50+ more of these bows to hit the broker by any one guild. The problem is not the rare drop is not rare its the recipe having to many charges. The rare drop is fine for consumables its horrible for the items.

[Telaris]

<p>I don't understand your logic on this.</p><p> Why is it bad for a guild that kills woushi to be able to get these bows? It is the only equipment item that can make a ranger even close to where they should be with respect to their cousin the assasin.  Any other class that gets one of these bows will not benefit from it nearly as much as a ranger, so being that this is the ranger forum that is why we are talking about it.</p><p> If you think the drop rate on bows has been great, i beg to differ.  I have been waiting ever since HoS opened to even see the Sarnack War Bow and it has not dropped once and we have cleared it nearly every time the timer is up.  So now that we can get a bow because we can kill an uber mob you think there will be too many?  </p><p> I don't think you appreciate how few bows drop that are respectable.  Its about time there is way for a ranger to get an uber weapon since pris 1, 2 and 3 and problaby 4 neglect rangers 100%. We dont need a dual weilder we need a bow period.</p><p> Anyway, it does not effect you in any way so just because someone else can get something worthwhile should not make you say it should get nerfed.</p>

[Prandtl]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>TerriBlades wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>You got to really wonder are 5 tradeable bows per book really a sound decision. That is going to be alot of bows eventually hitting the market. That is a poor decision imho. The recipe should be a single use. I have a feeling in 3 months time each server wil have at least 50+ of these bows out there. Considering its the arguably the best bow in game it probably shouldn't be the most common as well. They still have time to correct this issue if they act fast and limit the recipe on armour, weapon, bow recipes to a single charge. AND Leave consumables such as scrolls, potions, provisioners, poisens at 10 charges.</blockquote> You seem to be forgetting a few things. Each of those crafted bows, <b>should </b>(I cant confirm this, but maybe someone else can) require a rare drop to craft it. On top of that, before anyone outside of the guilds capable of killing Woushi and clearing the 3rd floor start to toss these bows on the broker, Im sure they'd use it to gear up everyone inside the guild first. Thats how many scouts and plate tanks? Im betting it'll be more then 5, so 2 recipe drops minimum and 10 rare drops (scales, I think)... by the time they get that, we should be rolling into the new expansion.</blockquote> Nice conjecture but thats not exactly how it works. The RARE drop is off trash mobs. The drop incase of the bow can drop 4-8 times on a floor clearing. 1 scale needed per combine. The BOOK drops off the floor boss. In this case woushi. Woushi has 5 books so a 1 in 5 chance of dropping this particualr book. But my point still stands taht all the weaponsmith, armour, and item centric books should be made into 1 charge, becasue right now as this is the best bow in game it is also one of the most common bows. Gearing up a guild with a recipe that makes 5 per combine would only take 2 recipe books max before you see these bows hit the broker at an alarming rate. This includes your predator, rogues, warriors, and crusaders thats it. Less then 2 books worth to equip the best bow in game in matter of weeks. the truth is by the time they get that any guild able to kill woushi right now. will be selling these bows on the borker by may 6 months shy of the next expansion. plenty of time for 50+ more of these bows to hit the broker by any one guild. The problem is not the rare drop is not rare its the recipe having to many charges. The rare drop is fine for consumables its horrible for the items.</blockquote><p>I do not find myself sharing your angst about this recipe.  </p><p>Consider that I have been raiding HoS for 6 months and never had a whiff of Sarnak, and after many many Deathtoll runs I finally got Bazkul; as well as not being in a guild that has the Matron locked down. It is not exactly raining bows out there, bro.  If 50 of them show up on the broker then so be it, and I'll be standing in line to buy one </p>

[Gungo]

<p>I dont think you really get it. This bow is the best bow in game. This bow recipe creates 5 BOWS. Woushi drops 1 tradeskill book each kill out of 5 books. So this is a gauranteed average of 1 bow a week. This bow will be the most common fabled bow item on the broker. It will render every other bow obsolete. ASWB, taranix, drake, lab, the 2 off the easy wolf named in EH, the one off the horse in EH, ghazi, cube mob, matron, etc.</p><p>EOF provided many new bow options. The claim of fabled bows being rare is no longer an issue. Rangers have over 10 bow options as well as grizzfazzle, unrest, and raincaller added in for the casual players easy choice. EOF alone added 10 new bows. There is no shortage of good bows anymore. Easily any ranger can obtain a new decent bow. I don't even care if this bow is tradable, Giving rangers a chance at the best possible bow in game. Thats not the issue. The issue is should the best bow in game be more common that any other fabled bow. Which at this drop rate is by far. </p><p>Look i don't want them to nerf this bow, i don't want them to make it notrade. All i am saying is 5 bows a book is incredibly unbalancing to any form of risk vs reward no matter how you look at it.  the "rare" does not limit this bow. We have more "rare" components then books to use them on for each floor. </p><p>But fear not i already talked to illucide on the issue and he is fine with the drop rate. But he can't say nobody warned him. </p><p>And seriosuly using assassins as a crutch for rangers is old. Assassins are no where near as good as they were. Rangers this expansion has seen much needed love and do outdps assassins if geared as well. Assassins require good dual wields like gdoh and the new eh wpn rangers require one of the top bows in game like HOS, woushi, matron, or the proc bow off the wolf. Rangers got what is commonly considered the best aa's and one of the best fabled sets. They got some very nice arrow changes that increase most rangers dps. As well as new fabled arrows in EH that produce afaik 1k arrows for each book. Then you cna place the EH third floor arrow in the bottom of your arrow bag and each arrow recieves the damage proc. Rangers can once again easily parse over 2kdps And thats just for raid dps. soloers get raincaller a very nice soloing bow. But none of this matters none of this has any barring on the above issue i am bringing up. </p><p>All i am saying is the best fabled bow in game will be the most common bow in game. Far be it for me to bring up this issue before it goes out of control. It probably will make no difference since i am sure my guild will make a ton of money selling our many excess bows on the broker. So thanks for your patronage.</p>

[Prandtl]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>i dont think you really get it. This bow is the best bow in game. This bow recipe creates 5 BOWS. This bow will be the most common fabled bow item on the broker. It will render every other bow obsolete. ASWB, taranix, drake, lab, the 2 off the easy wolf named in EH, the one off the horse in EH, ghazi, cube mob, matron, etc.</p><p>EOF provided many new bow options. The claim of fabled bows being rare is no longer an issue. Rangers have over 10 bow options as well as grizzfazzle, unrest, and raincaller added in for the casual players easy choice. EOF alone added 10 new bows. There is no shortage of good bows anymore. Easily any ranger can obtain a new decent bow. I don't even care if this bow is tradable, Giving rangers a chance at the best possible bow in game. Thats not the issue. The issue is should the best bow in game be more common that any other fabled bow. Which at this drop rate is by far. </p><p>Look i don't want them to nerf this bow, i don't want them to make it notrade. All i am saying is 5 bows a book is incredibly unbalancing to any form of risk vs reward no matter how you look at it.  </p></blockquote><p>No Gungo, I don't think YOU are getting it. To do T1 DPS an ranger <b>has</b> to have one of the rare fabled bow.  Grizz, raincaller, and unrest just don't get the job done.  The top end bows continue to be extremely rare, even though there are more mobs dropping them.  Quadrupleing the potential sources of something that is extremely rare still leaves it extremely rare.</p><p>Rangers are probably the most grear-centric class in the game when it comes to performing our job, and for the past year that has required two (2) of the rarest drops in the game.  If some love flows to us in the form of a rare recipe, then I am definitely going to object strenuously if someone tries to stop it. Especially when I suspect that it is not from any higher pupose other then not wanting uber phat lewtz filtering down to the peasents.</p><p>Forgive me if I don't sympathize with your viewpoint  </p>

[Gungo]

<p>And seriosuly using assassins or T1 DPS as a crutch for rangers is old. Assassins are no where near as good as they were. Rangers this expansion has seen much needed love and do outdps assassins if geared as well. Assassins require good dual wields like gdoh and the new eh wpn rangers require one of the top bows in game like HOS, woushi, matron, or the proc bow off the wolf. Rangers got what is commonly considered the best aa's and one of the best fabled sets. They got some very nice arrow changes that increase most rangers dps. As well as new fabled arrows in EH that produce afaik 1k arrows for each book. Then you cna place the EH third floor arrow in the bottom of your arrow bag and each arrow recieves the damage proc. Rangers can once again easily parse over 2kdps And thats just for raid dps. soloers get raincaller a very nice soloing bow. But none of this matters none of this has any barring on the above issue i am bringing up. </p><p>Your viewpoint is so biased its not even funny. If you really think a ranger is more gear eccentric to any tank in game you must be on heavy drugs. Let me put it this way no buff provides a fighter any benefit without a compelte set of proper gear in fact a fighters defensive stance is directly tied to the quality of his gear. A rogue needs a top end 1 hander to produce the numbers people consistently complain about. An assassin needs 2 really good dual wields to even compete w these rogues. (which are currently rarer then bows). </p><p>All i am saying is the best fabled bow in game will be the most common bow in game. Far be it for me to bring up this issue before it goes out of control. It probably will make no difference since i am sure my guild will make a ton of money selling our many excess bows on the broker. So thanks for your patronage. i guess every ranger should be given this bow upon character creation with the way you make it sound. I am sorry i don't agree with the fact every ranger lvl 70 in game should be able to buy the best bow in game so easily. </p>

[Gungo]

<cite>Prandtl wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>i dont think you really get it. This bow is the best bow in game. This bow recipe creates 5 BOWS. This bow will be the most common fabled bow item on the broker. It will render every other bow obsolete. ASWB, taranix, drake, lab, the 2 off the easy wolf named in EH, the one off the horse in EH, ghazi, cube mob, matron, etc.</p><p>EOF provided many new bow options. The claim of fabled bows being rare is no longer an issue. Rangers have over 10 bow options as well as grizzfazzle, unrest, and raincaller added in for the casual players easy choice. EOF alone added 10 new bows. There is no shortage of good bows anymore. Easily any ranger can obtain a new decent bow. I don't even care if this bow is tradable, Giving rangers a chance at the best possible bow in game. Thats not the issue. The issue is should the best bow in game be more common that any other fabled bow. Which at this drop rate is by far. </p><p>Look i don't want them to nerf this bow, i don't want them to make it notrade. All i am saying is 5 bows a book is incredibly unbalancing to any form of risk vs reward no matter how you look at it.  </p></blockquote><p>No Gungo, I don't think YOU are getting it. To do T1 DPS an ranger <b>has</b> to have one of the rare fabled bow.  Grizz, raincaller, and unrest just don't get the job done.  The top end bows continue to be extremely rare, even though there are more mobs dropping them.  Quadrupleing the potential sources of something that is extremely rare still leaves it extremely rare.</p><p>Rangers are probably the most grear-centric class in the game when it comes to performing our job, and for the past year that has required two (2) of the rarest drops in the game.  If some love flows to us in the form of a rare recipe, then I am definitely going to object strenuously if someone tries to stop it. Especially when I suspect that it is not from any higher pupose other then not wanting uber phat lewtz filtering down to the peasents.</p><p>Forgive me if I don't sympathize with your viewpoint  </p></blockquote><p> i would love to know what bow you are using. If you are a raiding ranger who is at least able to kill taranix. As  most should because even pickup raids have done taranix on our server. You should have one of the better bows in game. If you do not raid then the raincaller is fine for soloing, and the unrest bow actually has a decent DR above 91. If your guild is able to kill taranix they are able to kill the wolf in EH. It requires killing 2-3 trash mobs and he is right there. He is considered the easiest named in EH and is actually easier then most of FTH. he is a straigtht up fight w easy offtankable heroic add control. He drops 2 fabled bows on a loot table of like 10 items. Both of which are all you need to consistently parse over 2k dps. Just as well as high as any assassin with the best dual wields up to this point. GDOH and whatever. </p><p>Your complaint and argument hold no water. Good fabled Bows are no longer rare because if you have ever raided i am sure you have at least one of the best fabled bows to compete w an assassin with the best fabled duel wileds. The reason i even brought up grizzfazzle, unrest or raincaller is because those are easy to get casual bows that do T1 dps for a nonraiding ranger. If you are comparing yourself to an assassin with 2 fabled weapons then the other 10 bows are more then enough. </p><p>You completly avoided the question i brought up which is why i am bringing up this issue. Should the best bow in game be more common that any other fabled bow? Which at this drop rate is by far. </p>

[jjlo69]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>And seriosuly using assassins or T1 DPS as a crutch for rangers is old. Assassins are no where near as good as they were. Rangers this expansion has seen much needed love and do outdps assassins if geared as well. Assassins require good dual wields like gdoh and the new eh wpn rangers require one of the top bows in game like HOS, woushi, matron, or the proc bow off the wolf. Rangers got what is commonly considered the best aa's and one of the best fabled sets. They got some very nice arrow changes that increase most rangers dps. As well as new fabled arrows in EH that produce afaik 1k arrows for each book. Then you cna place the EH third floor arrow in the bottom of your arrow bag and each arrow recieves the damage proc. Rangers can once again easily parse over 2kdps And thats just for raid dps. soloers get raincaller a very nice soloing bow. But none of this matters none of this has any barring on the above issue i am bringing up. </p><p>Your viewpoint is so biased its not even funny. If you really think a ranger is more gear eccentric to any tank in game you must be on heavy drugs. Let me put it this way no buff provides a fighter any benefit without a compelte set of proper gear in fact a fighters defensive stance is directly tied to the quality of his gear. A rogue needs a top end 1 hander to produce the numbers people consistently complain about. An assassin needs 2 really good dual wields to even compete w these rogues. (which are currently rarer then bows). </p><p><span style="color: #cc00cc">All i am saying is the best fabled bow in game will be the most common bow in game</span>. Far be it for me to bring up this issue before it goes out of control. It probably will make no difference since i am sure my guild will make a ton of money selling our many excess bows on the broker. So thanks for your patronage. i guess every ranger should be given this bow upon character creation with the way you make it sound. I am sorry i don't agree with the fact every ranger lvl 70 in game should be able to buy the best bow in game so easily. </p></blockquote>how do u figure it will be the most common in the game??? 1. guilds need to get to wuoshi and kill it then get the reciepe(which is a one out of five chance of dropping) 2. get enough scales(rare item from EH needed and this item also makes other gear from there which depending on the guilds needs may make the other items first) 3. no top teir raiding guild will even consider selling this type of item on the broker until all there raid force has one and even then may consider not selling the items at all to gear compeating guilds that cant get to woushi or sell them at a prices very few would ever be able to afford.

[Gungo]

<cite>jjlo69 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>And seriosuly using assassins or T1 DPS as a crutch for rangers is old. Assassins are no where near as good as they were. Rangers this expansion has seen much needed love and do outdps assassins if geared as well. Assassins require good dual wields like gdoh and the new eh wpn rangers require one of the top bows in game like HOS, woushi, matron, or the proc bow off the wolf. Rangers got what is commonly considered the best aa's and one of the best fabled sets. They got some very nice arrow changes that increase most rangers dps. As well as new fabled arrows in EH that produce afaik 1k arrows for each book. Then you cna place the EH third floor arrow in the bottom of your arrow bag and each arrow recieves the damage proc. Rangers can once again easily parse over 2kdps And thats just for raid dps. soloers get raincaller a very nice soloing bow. But none of this matters none of this has any barring on the above issue i am bringing up. </p><p>Your viewpoint is so biased its not even funny. If you really think a ranger is more gear eccentric to any tank in game you must be on heavy drugs. Let me put it this way no buff provides a fighter any benefit without a compelte set of proper gear in fact a fighters defensive stance is directly tied to the quality of his gear. A rogue needs a top end 1 hander to produce the numbers people consistently complain about. An assassin needs 2 really good dual wields to even compete w these rogues. (which are currently rarer then bows). </p><p><span style="color: #cc00cc">All i am saying is the best fabled bow in game will be the most common bow in game</span>. Far be it for me to bring up this issue before it goes out of control. It probably will make no difference since i am sure my guild will make a ton of money selling our many excess bows on the broker. So thanks for your patronage. i guess every ranger should be given this bow upon character creation with the way you make it sound. I am sorry i don't agree with the fact every ranger lvl 70 in game should be able to buy the best bow in game so easily. </p></blockquote>how do u figure it will be the most common in the game??? 1. guilds need to get to wuoshi and kill it then get the reciepe(which is a one out of five chance of dropping) 2. get enough scales(rare item from EH needed and this item also makes other gear from there which depending on the guilds needs may make the other items first) 3. no top teir raiding guild will even consider selling this type of item on the broker until all there raid force has one and even then may consider not selling the items at all to gear compeating guilds that cant get to woushi or sell them at a prices very few would ever be able to afford. </blockquote><p>1 book per woushi 1 in 5 chance for the bow book. (Or any non consumable item really, the bow just happens to be the best of its kind). This rare item is not a factor. Its a trash mob. In a zone where it is know to have an abundance of trash. A typical floor clearing provides over 5 of these rare items. More then enough for each recipe book as well as left overs. The book creates 5 of these bows. An average of 1 bow a week for each guild able to kill woushi. The rare trash component is not even a limit to production of these bows. The book is. But the book produces 5. bows are only usable by warriros, crusaders, predators and bards. At most any raid guild will completely gear out thier guild w these bows with 2 books. </p><p>The rate at which the best bow in game will enter the market place will be greater then any other fabled bow in game. That itself creates an issue. The price that these bows will sell on the broker is not the issue. I am sure my guild will make a ton sellign these bows on the broker. I find it completely unbalanced that these bows will enter the market at the rate we are able to acquire them. Selling a tradeable bow to a competeing guild is a non issue. Any guild who is truly able to compete at the same level can acquire lesser but decent bows for thier rangers off much easier mobs such as the wolf i named in EH above. </p><p>The question and problem i had is should the best bow in game also be the easiest bow bow to acquire. Right now this is not an issue. But i am brining it up now before the issue becomes a problem. And surely at this drop rate you should expect most servers to see the best bow hit the broker by May at the latest. The drop rate on this bow is astonishing. </p>

[Pezz]

<cite>Prandtl wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>i dont think you really get it. This bow is the best bow in game. This bow recipe creates 5 BOWS. This bow will be the most common fabled bow item on the broker. It will render every other bow obsolete. ASWB, taranix, drake, lab, the 2 off the easy wolf named in EH, the one off the horse in EH, ghazi, cube mob, matron, etc.</p><p>EOF provided many new bow options. The claim of fabled bows being rare is no longer an issue. Rangers have over 10 bow options as well as grizzfazzle, unrest, and raincaller added in for the casual players easy choice. EOF alone added 10 new bows. There is no shortage of good bows anymore. Easily any ranger can obtain a new decent bow. I don't even care if this bow is tradable, Giving rangers a chance at the best possible bow in game. Thats not the issue. The issue is should the best bow in game be more common that any other fabled bow. Which at this drop rate is by far. </p><p>Look i don't want them to nerf this bow, i don't want them to make it notrade. All i am saying is 5 bows a book is incredibly unbalancing to any form of risk vs reward no matter how you look at it.  </p></blockquote><p>No Gungo, I don't think YOU are getting it. To do T1 DPS an ranger <b>has</b> to have one of the rare fabled bow.  Grizz, raincaller, and unrest just don't get the job done.  The top end bows continue to be extremely rare, even though there are more mobs dropping them.  Quadrupleing the potential sources of something that is extremely rare still leaves it extremely rare.</p><p>Rangers are probably the most grear-centric class in the game when it comes to performing our job, and for the past year that has required two (2) of the rarest drops in the game.  If some love flows to us in the form of a rare recipe, then I am definitely going to object strenuously if someone tries to stop it. Especially when I suspect that it is not from any higher pupose other then not wanting uber phat lewtz filtering down to the peasents.</p><p>Forgive me if I don't sympathize with your viewpoint  </p></blockquote><p>I think a ranger needs a break with the lack of dps we have. If someone wants to sell or make me an awesome bow I'm all for it. Ya I'm greedy in a since but why not ranger's need an awesome bow if you want to up your dps. I work my [Removed for Content] off to try to make top 10 on the parse and just to be on the bottom of the parse is depressing. Their will be a lot of people in some guilds that will want the bow besides you. Like In today's world most people are greedy. Now lets see guardians, zerkers, bards and your counter part.  You usually have one of each in a raid depending on what server and faction (PVP) that would love to have that bow as well. So that is 5 not including you, even though it will benefit you the most.  With 5 bows I think I would have a chance in getting at least one of them. Plus being a 70 woodworker will help.  </p><p>Well that is just my point of view.</p>

[Telaris]

<p>I have yet to see a Ranger that can even keep with the Brigands and Swashbucklers, let alone the Assasins.  And that is with Sarnack and T8 ammo.  The general problem is if a Ranger does not have one of the best bows in the game, they will not be near the top of the parse.  I don't care how good the player is....unless of course all the people playing brigs, swashies and assasins are horrible.  Yes it is group dependant but what else does a ranger bring to a raid other then DPS... thats right NOTHING.</p><p>Assasin, massive DPS, Hate xfer, procs</p><p>Swashie, massive DPS, Hate xfer, Debuffs, multiple target long fight masters</p><p>Brigands, massive DPS, Debuffs, Debuffs, Debuffs</p><p>Also, if you put a dirge in the DPS group (and if you don't you are nuts), the ranger gets no where near the benefit the other classes do.  So if you are not holding one of the best bows in the game you will not be on the raid.</p><p>I don't think the bow will be as common as you think, but it is out there as an option for Rangers to pick up and they really do need good equipment to do their job, then so be it.  Who cares if everyone has one, the ranger is the only one really going to benefit from it and there are not that many of them out there....</p>

[Star]

<p>Please remeber a recent post by one ot the Devs indicating that raid dropped items will no longer have procs that do not help in raids and that he will get revisiting recent items with such procs and revising them to have more useful procs. I very much believe that the Star Darkened Longbow falls into this catagory. Should it get a nice DMG proc on it then I believe it might get itself right up there with this bow, making the Rigid Scale no longer the DeFacto 'Best Bow In the Game' (tm)</p><p>Either way I think Gungo is vastly over estimating the degree to which these will be out there. He's assuming that you can get enough scales to drop and *not* be used by people on the 4 other items that can be made from them to put out 5 bows a week. Way over estimating. And if the level cap raises in the next expansion (which I think it likely will) all of this gear will be out dated.</p>

[Pezz]

<cite>Telaris wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have yet to see a Ranger that can even keep with the Brigands and Swashbucklers, let alone the Assasins.  And that is with Sarnack and T8 ammo.  The general problem is if a Ranger does not have one of the best bows in the game, they will not be near the top of the parse.  I don't care how good the player is....unless of course all the people playing brigs, swashies and assasins are horrible.  Yes it is group dependant but what else does a ranger bring to a raid other then DPS... thats right NOTHING.</p><p>Assasin, massive DPS, Hate xfer, procs</p><p>Swashie, massive DPS, Hate xfer, Debuffs, multiple target long fight masters</p><p>Brigands, massive DPS, Debuffs, Debuffs, Debuffs</p><p>Also, if you put a dirge in the DPS group (and if you don't you are nuts), the ranger gets no where near the benefit the other classes do.  So if you are not holding one of the best bows in the game you will not be on the raid.</p><p>I don't think the bow will be as common as you think, but it is out there as an option for Rangers to pick up and they really do need good equipment to do their job, then so be it.  Who cares if everyone has one, the ranger is the only one really going to benefit from it and there are not that many of them out there....</p></blockquote><p>Amen to u, i think im in love (if your a woman)</p>

[Gungo]

<cite>Telaris wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have yet to see a Ranger that can even keep with the Brigands and Swashbucklers, let alone the Assasins.  And that is with Sarnack and T8 ammo.  The general problem is if a Ranger does not have one of the best bows in the game, they will not be near the top of the parse.  I don't care how good the player is....unless of course all the people playing brigs, swashies and assasins are horrible.  Yes it is group dependant but what else does a ranger bring to a raid other then DPS... thats right NOTHING.</p><p>Assasin, massive DPS, Hate xfer, procs</p><p>Swashie, massive DPS, Hate xfer, Debuffs, multiple target long fight masters</p><p>Brigands, massive DPS, Debuffs, Debuffs, Debuffs</p><p>Also, if you put a dirge in the DPS group (and if you don't you are nuts), the ranger gets no where near the benefit the other classes do.  So if you are not holding one of the best bows in the game you will not be on the raid.</p><p>I don't think the bow will be as common as you think, but it is out there as an option for Rangers to pick up and they really do need good equipment to do their job, then so be it.  Who cares if everyone has one, the ranger is the only one really going to benefit from it and there are not that many of them out there....</p></blockquote><p> Lol seriosuly what are the number you are seeing that brigands are outdpsing rangers w a sarnak and T8 ammo. Rangers produce 2.5k+dps with that setup easily. A brigand 2k dps with a cheldrak shard. An assassin over 2.5k with gdoh and any other decent duel wield. </p><p>rangers have plenty of options now to increase thier dps, thier set gear, or aa's the new fabled arrows (1k arrows per book + arrow rip changes), the third floor arrows of EH that only need to be placed in your quiver to obtain the free additional damage. I am not saying rangers are overpowered or to nerf this bow.</p><p>But the best bow in game should not be the easiest fabled bow to obtain. And if the best bow in game drops so commonly that it is already on brokers in a month then the drop rate is [Removed for Content]'d. Simply stated its an average 1 bow a week drop rate for every woushi kill. Any guild able to kill woushi will obtain 32 of these bows before the next expension comes out in the fall. More then liekly by that point 2+ guilds per server will be up to this point. </p><p>Swashies are a whole nother issue all together. </p>

[Prandtl]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>Prandtl wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>i dont think you really get it. This bow is the best bow in game. This bow recipe creates 5 BOWS. This bow will be the most common fabled bow item on the broker. It will render every other bow obsolete. ASWB, taranix, drake, lab, the 2 off the easy wolf named in EH, the one off the horse in EH, ghazi, cube mob, matron, etc.</p><p>EOF provided many new bow options. The claim of fabled bows being rare is no longer an issue. Rangers have over 10 bow options as well as grizzfazzle, unrest, and raincaller added in for the casual players easy choice. EOF alone added 10 new bows. There is no shortage of good bows anymore. Easily any ranger can obtain a new decent bow. I don't even care if this bow is tradable, Giving rangers a chance at the best possible bow in game. Thats not the issue. The issue is should the best bow in game be more common that any other fabled bow. Which at this drop rate is by far. </p><p>Look i don't want them to nerf this bow, i don't want them to make it notrade. All i am saying is 5 bows a book is incredibly unbalancing to any form of risk vs reward no matter how you look at it.  </p></blockquote><p>No Gungo, I don't think YOU are getting it. To do T1 DPS an ranger <b>has</b> to have one of the rare fabled bow.  Grizz, raincaller, and unrest just don't get the job done.  The top end bows continue to be extremely rare, even though there are more mobs dropping them.  Quadrupleing the potential sources of something that is extremely rare still leaves it extremely rare.</p><p>Rangers are probably the most grear-centric class in the game when it comes to performing our job, and for the past year that has required two (2) of the rarest drops in the game.  If some love flows to us in the form of a rare recipe, then I am definitely going to object strenuously if someone tries to stop it. Especially when I suspect that it is not from any higher pupose other then not wanting uber phat lewtz filtering down to the peasents.</p><p>Forgive me if I don't sympathize with your viewpoint  </p></blockquote><p> i would love to know what bow you are using. If you are a raiding ranger who is at least able to kill taranix. As  most should because even pickup raids have done taranix on our server. You should have one of the better bows in game. If you do not raid then the raincaller is fine for soloing, and the unrest bow actually has a decent DR above 91. If your guild is able to kill taranix they are able to kill the wolf in EH. It requires killing 2-3 trash mobs and he is right there. He is considered the easiest named in EH and is actually easier then most of FTH. he is a straigtht up fight w easy offtankable heroic add control. He drops 2 fabled bows on a loot table of like 10 items. Both of which are all you need to consistently parse over 2k dps. Just as well as high as any assassin with the best dual wields up to this point. GDOH and whatever. </p><p>Your complaint and argument hold no water. Good fabled Bows are no longer rare because if you have ever raided i am sure you have at least one of the best fabled bows to compete w an assassin with the best fabled duel wileds. The reason i even brought up grizzfazzle, unrest or raincaller is because those are easy to get casual bows that do T1 dps for a nonraiding ranger. If you are comparing yourself to an assassin with 2 fabled weapons then the other 10 bows are more then enough. </p><p>You completly avoided the question i brought up which is why i am bringing up this issue. Should the best bow in game be more common that any other fabled bow? Which at this drop rate is by far. </p></blockquote><p>I empathize with you but don't sympathize.  You are correct on tank gear, and I almost included them in my previous post.</p><p>And of COURSE my viewpoint is biased and my reply was not meant to be funny.  I am a ranger in the ranger forum. A ranger who has been grinding endlessly for a hint of a chance at a bow that will allow me to compete on a level playing field with other DPS classes.  I am a wolf who has been existing on rubber bones.  I smell steak and you want to replace it with meat loaf?</p><p>As for the rarity of good DW and 1 handers...  It does not even begin to compare to bow scarcity. The Claymore quest provides a decent weapon at the end, but certainly not a bow.  When you consider that rangers, assassins, guardians, zerkers, pallys, SK's, dirges and troubs all want a good bow; the rarity factor is magnified. How many other classes want those rare gees?</p><p>As for your question, I raid with Bazkul the Soulseeker.  See the little linky in my sig if you want to inspect my gear.  Bazkul finally dropped on ~20th trip down to kill Taranax.  I have never seen Ichorstrand drop.  I've killed Venekor about the same number of times and have never seen The Ancestral Sarnak Warbow drop.  Rangers need the T8 arrows from one of the DT bows and a Sarnak or similar bow to even come close to 2k dps zone wide.  I think you greatly overestimate the frequency of fabled bows dropping.  Heck, look at the bows people in your own guild are using!  If they were so common, would half of your bow wielders be using rain caller?</p><p>I agree that there should be reward versus risk and time-sink when it comes to high end items.  But consider that many of us here have been raiding endlessly with no real reward.  We all know that itemization is this game has been borked since release.  Bow drops have been screwed up, and hopefully this is the developers attempt to rectify the situation.  </p>

[Gareorn]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>jjlo69 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>And seriosuly using assassins or T1 DPS as a crutch for rangers is old. Assassins are no where near as good as they were. Rangers this expansion has seen much needed love and do outdps assassins if geared as well. Assassins require good dual wields like gdoh and the new eh wpn rangers require one of the top bows in game like HOS, woushi, matron, or the proc bow off the wolf. Rangers got what is commonly considered the best aa's and one of the best fabled sets. They got some very nice arrow changes that increase most rangers dps. As well as new fabled arrows in EH that produce afaik 1k arrows for each book. Then you cna place the EH third floor arrow in the bottom of your arrow bag and each arrow recieves the damage proc. Rangers can once again easily parse over 2kdps And thats just for raid dps. soloers get raincaller a very nice soloing bow. But none of this matters none of this has any barring on the above issue i am bringing up. </p><p>Your viewpoint is so biased its not even funny. If you really think a ranger is more gear eccentric to any tank in game you must be on heavy drugs. Let me put it this way no buff provides a fighter any benefit without a compelte set of proper gear in fact a fighters defensive stance is directly tied to the quality of his gear. A rogue needs a top end 1 hander to produce the numbers people consistently complain about. An assassin needs 2 really good dual wields to even compete w these rogues. (which are currently rarer then bows). </p><p><span style="color: #cc00cc">All i am saying is the best fabled bow in game will be the most common bow in game</span>. Far be it for me to bring up this issue before it goes out of control. It probably will make no difference since i am sure my guild will make a ton of money selling our many excess bows on the broker. So thanks for your patronage. i guess every ranger should be given this bow upon character creation with the way you make it sound. I am sorry i don't agree with the fact every ranger lvl 70 in game should be able to buy the best bow in game so easily. </p></blockquote>how do u figure it will be the most common in the game??? 1. guilds need to get to wuoshi and kill it then get the reciepe(which is a one out of five chance of dropping) 2. get enough scales(rare item from EH needed and this item also makes other gear from there which depending on the guilds needs may make the other items first) 3. no top teir raiding guild will even consider selling this type of item on the broker until all there raid force has one and even then may consider not selling the items at all to gear compeating guilds that cant get to woushi or sell them at a prices very few would ever be able to afford. </blockquote><p>1 book per woushi 1 in 5 chance for the bow book. (Or any non consumable item really, the bow just happens to be the best of its kind). This rare item is not a factor. Its a trash mob. In a zone where it is know to have an abundance of trash. A typical floor clearing provides over 5 of these rare items. More then enough for each recipe book as well as left overs. The book creates 5 of these bows. An average of 1 bow a week for each guild able to kill woushi. The rare trash component is not even a limit to production of these bows. The book is. But the book produces 5. bows are only usable by warriros, crusaders, predators and bards. At most any raid guild will completely gear out thier guild w these bows with 2 books. </p><p>The rate at which the best bow in game will enter the market place will be greater then any other fabled bow in game. That itself creates an issue. The price that these bows will sell on the broker is not the issue. I am sure my guild will make a ton sellign these bows on the broker. I find it completely unbalanced that these bows will enter the market at the rate we are able to acquire them. Selling a tradeable bow to a competeing guild is a non issue. Any guild who is truly able to compete at the same level can acquire lesser but decent bows for thier rangers off much easier mobs such as the wolf i named in EH above. </p><p>The question and problem i had is should the best bow in game also be the easiest bow bow to acquire. <b>Right now this is not an issue. But i am brining it up now before the issue becomes a problem.</b> And surely at this drop rate you should expect most servers to see the best bow hit the broker by May at the latest. The drop rate on this bow is astonishing. </p></blockquote><p>Right now it is an issue.  Rangers have taken it in the shorts for over two years as a far as itemization goes.  Adding this bow to the game helps fix that problem.  It does not create a problem.  It also adds an item to the woodworker's recipe book that they can actually use to make a little money.</p><p>Just because it's not an issue to you personally, doesn't mean it's not an issue.  If every T7 Fighter and Scout in the game had one of these bows, the net effect would be almost nil.  The only people who would see a significant benefit from this bow is the Rangers that raid regularly.  And the effect would be that it would bring them closer to balance with the rest of the DPS raiders.</p><p>I haven't seen one person with this bow yet and already someone is calling for a nerf.  Good grief.</p>

[Gungo]

<cite>Star wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Please remeber a recent post by one ot the Devs indicating that raid dropped items will no longer have procs that do not help in raids and that he will get revisiting recent items with such procs and revising them to have more useful procs. I very much believe that the Star Darkened Longbow falls into this catagory. Should it get a nice DMG proc on it then I believe it might get itself right up there with this bow, making the Rigid Scale no longer the DeFacto 'Best Bow In the Game' (tm)</p><p>Either way I think Gungo is vastly over estimating the degree to which these will be out there. He's assuming that you can get enough scales to drop and *not* be used by people on the 4 other items that can be made from them to put out 5 bows a week. Way over estimating. And if the level cap raises in the next expansion (which I think it likely will) all of this gear will be out dated.</p>I</blockquote>Its not an overestimate. When one uncomplete clearing provides more seeds then needed and more bark then can be used. Obviously more scales then needed will come. Its not 5 bows a week its 5 bows ever 5 weeks or 1 bow a week average. I already talked to illucide on this and he is fine with the (confirmed) numbers, but i still can not fathom how the best bow in game should be this common. But as you said if current harder to obtain fabled bows are better then this issue will be less pronounced.

[Gungo]

<cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>jjlo69 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>And seriosuly using assassins or T1 DPS as a crutch for rangers is old. Assassins are no where near as good as they were. Rangers this expansion has seen much needed love and do outdps assassins if geared as well. Assassins require good dual wields like gdoh and the new eh wpn rangers require one of the top bows in game like HOS, woushi, matron, or the proc bow off the wolf. Rangers got what is commonly considered the best aa's and one of the best fabled sets. They got some very nice arrow changes that increase most rangers dps. As well as new fabled arrows in EH that produce afaik 1k arrows for each book. Then you cna place the EH third floor arrow in the bottom of your arrow bag and each arrow recieves the damage proc. Rangers can once again easily parse over 2kdps And thats just for raid dps. soloers get raincaller a very nice soloing bow. But none of this matters none of this has any barring on the above issue i am bringing up. </p><p>Your viewpoint is so biased its not even funny. If you really think a ranger is more gear eccentric to any tank in game you must be on heavy drugs. Let me put it this way no buff provides a fighter any benefit without a compelte set of proper gear in fact a fighters defensive stance is directly tied to the quality of his gear. A rogue needs a top end 1 hander to produce the numbers people consistently complain about. An assassin needs 2 really good dual wields to even compete w these rogues. (which are currently rarer then bows). </p><p><span style="color: #cc00cc">All i am saying is the best fabled bow in game will be the most common bow in game</span>. Far be it for me to bring up this issue before it goes out of control. It probably will make no difference since i am sure my guild will make a ton of money selling our many excess bows on the broker. So thanks for your patronage. i guess every ranger should be given this bow upon character creation with the way you make it sound. I am sorry i don't agree with the fact every ranger lvl 70 in game should be able to buy the best bow in game so easily. </p></blockquote>how do u figure it will be the most common in the game??? 1. guilds need to get to wuoshi and kill it then get the reciepe(which is a one out of five chance of dropping) 2. get enough scales(rare item from EH needed and this item also makes other gear from there which depending on the guilds needs may make the other items first) 3. no top teir raiding guild will even consider selling this type of item on the broker until all there raid force has one and even then may consider not selling the items at all to gear compeating guilds that cant get to woushi or sell them at a prices very few would ever be able to afford. </blockquote><p>1 book per woushi 1 in 5 chance for the bow book. (Or any non consumable item really, the bow just happens to be the best of its kind). This rare item is not a factor. Its a trash mob. In a zone where it is know to have an abundance of trash. A typical floor clearing provides over 5 of these rare items. More then enough for each recipe book as well as left overs. The book creates 5 of these bows. An average of 1 bow a week for each guild able to kill woushi. The rare trash component is not even a limit to production of these bows. The book is. But the book produces 5. bows are only usable by warriros, crusaders, predators and bards. At most any raid guild will completely gear out thier guild w these bows with 2 books. </p><p>The rate at which the best bow in game will enter the market place will be greater then any other fabled bow in game. That itself creates an issue. The price that these bows will sell on the broker is not the issue. I am sure my guild will make a ton sellign these bows on the broker. I find it completely unbalanced that these bows will enter the market at the rate we are able to acquire them. Selling a tradeable bow to a competeing guild is a non issue. Any guild who is truly able to compete at the same level can acquire lesser but decent bows for thier rangers off much easier mobs such as the wolf i named in EH above. </p><p>The question and problem i had is should the best bow in game also be the easiest bow bow to acquire. <b>Right now this is not an issue. But i am brining it up now before the issue becomes a problem.</b> And surely at this drop rate you should expect most servers to see the best bow hit the broker by May at the latest. The drop rate on this bow is astonishing. </p></blockquote><p>Right now it is an issue.  Rangers have taken it in the shorts for over two years as a far as itemization goes.  Adding this bow to the game helps fix that problem.  It does not create a problem.  <b>It also adds an item to the woodworker's recipe book that they can actually use to make a little money.</b></p><p>Just because it's not an issue to you personally, doesn't mean it's not an issue.  If every T7 Fighter and Scout in the game had one of these bows, the net effect would be almost nil.  The only people who would see a significant benefit from this bow is the Rangers that raid regularly.  And the effect would be that it would bring them closer to balance with the rest of the DPS raiders.</p><p>I haven't seen one person with this bow yet and already someone is calling for a nerf.  Good grief.</p></blockquote><p>The one thing i can assure you is no woodworker will ever make a dime on this bow. The book is a raid drop, the tradeable bows that are not purchased will go to the GUILD funds. In some guilds cases those fund swill be dispersed to its memebers. But do not fool yourself to thinking that lowely level woodworker guy in casual guild A who is clearing labs will start selling these bows to make some money. No nonguilded woodworker will ever see this book. When you can sell each individual bow for my starting guess first few bows go for 200pp. Possibly dwindling down to 150pp unless you have competing guilds selling these,  because as you said its the best bow in game. So why shouldn't any raid guild take full advantage of [Removed for Content] each and everyone of you.</p><p>That right there should be reason enough that something is terribly wrong. Some of you may have been confused. I am not complainign the bow is overpowered. I am not complaining its tradeable. I am questioning the logic of a drop rate thats exponentially greater then any drop to date for the best item of its kind. I am wondering why would any guild want the other bows, when dozens of these bows will be pushed into the market. Its a matter of ~8 people in a raiding guild who can use this bow. And afte that a wave of these bows flooding the market. Seriosuly i am not against rangers, but surely some of you have to question the logic on this droprate.   </p>

[Gungo]

<p>It's right where I want it, but thanks! Keep in mind that Wuoshi only drops a single book (of five different ones). At an average of five charges every five weeks, that's fine. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> -Ilu </p><p>That was the reply i recieved from talking to illucide. So really there is no reason to worry about any imediate changes, But i can't say i didn't warn you. The numbers i provided are correct an average of 1 bow a week per guild clearing. And all your crushbone rangers start saving up your plat. It will be our pleasure doing business with you.</p>

[Prandtl]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>It's right where I want it, but thanks! Keep in mind that Wuoshi only drops a single book (of five different ones). At an average of five charges every five weeks, that's fine. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> -Ilu </p><p>That was the reply i recieved from talking to illucide. So really there is no reason to worry about any imediate changes, But i can't say i didn't warn you. The numbers i provided are correct an average of 1 bow a week per guild clearing. And all your crushbone rangers start saving up your plat. It will be our pleasure doing business with you.</p></blockquote>It'll be a while before you are rolling in all that plat.  Checking on what bows your guildmates are using, it'll be a while before you are putting any out on the market.  If rare bows were so common, I dont think a large percentage of your own guild would still be using rain caller....

[Pezz]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>It's right where I want it, but thanks! Keep in mind that Wuoshi only drops a single book (of five different ones). At an average of five charges every five weeks, that's fine. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> -Ilu </p><p>That was the reply i recieved from talking to illucide. So really there is no reason to worry about any imediate changes, But i can't say i didn't warn you. The numbers i provided are correct an average of 1 bow a week per guild clearing. And all your crushbone rangers start saving up your plat. It will be our pleasure doing business with you.</p></blockquote><p>Off the subject:</p><p> Not to be a smart [Removed for Content] or anything but how many guilds out their can even get to Wuoshi and bet him. Is their away i can check each server? I don't think anyone are our server did yet.   </p>

[Gungo]

<cite>Prandtl wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>It's right where I want it, but thanks! Keep in mind that Wuoshi only drops a single book (of five different ones). At an average of five charges every five weeks, that's fine. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> -Ilu </p><p>That was the reply i recieved from talking to illucide. So really there is no reason to worry about any imediate changes, But i can't say i didn't warn you. The numbers i provided are correct an average of 1 bow a week per guild clearing. And all your crushbone rangers start saving up your plat. It will be our pleasure doing business with you.</p></blockquote>It'll be a while before you are rolling in all that plat.  Checking on what bows your guildmates are using, it'll be a while before you are putting any out on the market.  If rare bows were so common, I dont think a large percentage of your own guild would still be using rain caller.... </blockquote><p>Not including the alts we have 8 mains that can use this bow. After that these bows will i assure you be on the broker and yes we are only at the gardner literally today. And while my guild will make alot of plat off these bows. I still find the drop rate well overdone.   </p>

[Prandtl]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>Not including the alts we have 8 mains that can use this bow. After that these bows will i assure you be on the broker and yes we are only at the gardner literally today. And while my guild will make alot of plat off these bows. I still find the drop rate well overdone. </blockquote><p> Then we agree to disagree <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>May your quiver always be full</p>

[TerriBlades]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>Not including the alts we have 8 mains that can use this bow. After that these bows will i assure you be on the broker and yes we are only at the gardner literally today. And while my guild will make alot of plat off these bows. I still find the drop rate well overdone.   </p></blockquote><p> Are you still on the second floor? If you are, then your main concern should be focused around getting to and killing Wuoshi and not what you are going to do with his recipe drops. Kinda putting the cart before the horse there. Even after you kill Wuoshi, you arent going to get the rigid scale bow recipe every time you kill him. </p><p>I can understand your concern about it. Im not a fan of seeing the best end game item on the broker either. But even if your guild DOES get an abundance of items and recipes needed to craft this, you'll price it so high that only a handful are going to have enough money to buy it. You know what I find funny about the whole thing? If you're so against everyone and their mother having this bow... DONT put it on the broker. Its that simple.</p>

[Gungo]

<cite>TerriBlades wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><p>Not including the alts we have 8 mains that can use this bow. After that these bows will i assure you be on the broker and yes we are only at the gardner literally today. And while my guild will make alot of plat off these bows. I still find the drop rate well overdone.   </p></blockquote><p> Are you still on the second floor? If you are, then your main concern should be focused around getting to and killing Wuoshi and not what you are going to do with his recipe drops. Kinda putting the cart before the horse there. Even after you kill Wuoshi, you arent going to get the rigid scale bow recipe every time you kill him. </p><p>I can understand your concern about it. Im not a fan of seeing the best end game item on the broker either. But even if your guild DOES get an abundance of items and recipes needed to craft this, you'll price it so high that only a handful are going to have enough money to buy it. You know what I find funny about the whole thing? If you're so against everyone and their mother having this bow... DONT put it on the broker. Its that simple.</p></blockquote><p>Why are you focused on the personal aspect of what me or my guild does? It has nothign to do with the topic at hand. Its a simpiltons way of deflecting an issue that has bigger ramification then what I intend to do. Because when we do get a surplus of these bows yes we will put them on the broker. We would be dumb not to. That is NOT THE POINT. The poitn is every floor drops more compenents then needed for the book. FACT The book is a garanteed drop (1 of 5 books) FACT The book has 5 charges FACT Thats an average of 1 BOW a week. FACT (as pointed out by illucide)</p><p>Please don't say stupid comments like Destroy it or don't put it on the broker. That has NOTHING to do with the issue. Adn while you may feel i am brining up a concern of an issue that doesnt currently exsist. Most people find it best to solve issues before they become a problem. OR i could of just farmed the bow equipped my guild and said FU to everyother ranger out there and then complained about the drop rate. Which do you consider better?</p><p>My concern is not even the best bow in game having a chance on the broker. My problem is having to many of the best bow in game on the broker. And the only reason i can see rangers approving these changes is most can not kill woushi and are biased based on selfish motives. </p><p>Yes there was a rut of lack of fabled bows in KoS/DoF. EoF has largely fixd that issue. Taking the casual non raidign ranger out with the inclusion of raincaller, unrest, and grizzfazzle bows, there are 10 other high end fable dbows in game. Some rarer then others and some are easy to get and not rare at all. As i said before the easiest raid bow to get in game are the 2 off the wolf named in EH. It requires clearing ~3 trash mobs and killing a named w no AoE and a few heroic adds. He is easier then any named in FTH. </p>

[Gareorn]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote> And the only reason i can see rangers approving these changes is most can not kill woushi and are <b>biasd based on selfish motives. </b></blockquote>Biased due to selfish motives?  Funny thing is, that was my thought when I read your first post on this subject.<img src="/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gungo]

<cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote> And the only reason i can see rangers approving these changes is most can not kill woushi and are <b>biasd based on selfish motives. </b></blockquote>Biased due to selfish motives?  Funny thing is, that was my thought when I read your first post on this subject.<img src="/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> Let's apply actual logic to this drivel. I as a bruiser have nothing to gain from this change. I am not in any form of direct competition with rangers in any way, shape, or form. I gain nothing by making bows harder for the casual raider to get. I in fact will loose monetary gain by even bringing up this dilemma. Since my guild does not have this book yet. I in fact hurt my guilds potential dps. How in the world do you derive any semblance of me having a selfish motive by the fact i am actually hurting myself more then benefitting myself or my guild. Barring any masochistic tendancies i have nothing to gain. Please think before you post, or if your actual train of thought is to attack the poster instead of the issue. Then do yourself a favor and don't post.   

[Prandtl]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote> And the only reason i can see rangers approving these changes is most can not kill woushi and are <b>biasd based on selfish motives. </b></blockquote>Biased due to selfish motives?  Funny thing is, that was my thought when I read your first post on this subject.<img src="/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> Let's apply actual logic to this drivel. I as a bruiser have nothing to gain from this change. I am not in any form of direct competition with rangers in any way, shape, or form. I gain nothing by making bows harder for the casual raider to get. I in fact will loose monetary gain by even bringing up this dilemma. Since my guild does not have this book yet. I in fact hurt my guilds potential dps. How in the world do you derive any semblance of me having a selfish motive by the fact i am actually hurting myself more then benefitting myself or my guild. Barring any masochistic tendancies i have nothing to gain. Please think before you post, or if your actual train of thought is to attack the poster instead of the issue. Then do yourself a favor and don't post.   </blockquote><p>Howabout we try this tack...</p><p>You have nothing to lose, and currently nothing to gain.  You don't have a horse in this race, so why are you even here?  Initially I thought you might have some insight to add to this thread, but your last few posts have only demonstrated that your avatar, a troll, is in fact correct.  Enjoy your phat platz and ubah lewtz </p>

[snowbrdr093]

I stopped reading after the second page, so if what I bring up has already been said I apologize in advance. First off, yes the armor I'm wearing is full set, besides legs <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Secondly, I tend to agree with Gungo about how common the best bow in the game currently is. When compared to the bow from Mayong, which we have gotten once, killing him as many times as any other guild in the game, the Wuoshi bow seems absurdly common. On the other hand, the same item is used to craft all of the items from Wuoshi, and is not a guaranteed drop. The week that we got my bow there was only one scale that dropped, and it made my bow. The week before there were 3, which we used on other items. I would think any intelligent raid guild would save up on their scales to fully outfit the entire guild on the third floor recipes before they even thought about selling the pieces, but thats just me. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> As far as Ranger parsing goes, we aren't a bad class anymore, stop trying to say we are. Just last night i pulled down a near 2300dps combined total for HoS and Lyceum zonewides. The only person that beat me is our god of a wizard who managed 2900.  Oh, and when I get my legs I'll cmoe and update you all on how well I do then, too. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Starwindz]

The poitn is every floor drops more compenents then needed for the book. FACT The book is a garanteed drop (1 of 5 books) FACT The book has 5 charges FACT Thats an average of 1 BOW a week. FACT (as pointed out by illucide) That only works if every book has the same chance of dropping, which i doubt.

[TerriBlades]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>  <p>Why are you focused on the personal aspect of what me or my guild does? It has nothign to do with the topic at hand. Its a simpiltons way of deflecting an issue that has bigger ramification then what I intend to do. Because when we do get a surplus of these bows yes we will put them on the broker. We would be dumb not to. That is NOT THE POINT. </p></blockquote> I could really care less what your guild does to be honest, but you are the one that brought your guild into this mess by saying they would be putting them up for sale. As I said before, stop putting the cart before the horse. If you can kill Wuoshi, you dont have to worry about flooding the broker with Rigid Scale Bows. I think thats pretty much the point I was trying to make. Kill Wuoshi, get several Rigid Scale Bow Recipes, and Several scales that no one in guild needs... AND THEN worry about making the best bow in game available to anyone with an abundance of plat.

[Gungo]

<cite>TerriBlades wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>  <p>Why are you focused on the personal aspect of what me or my guild does? It has nothign to do with the topic at hand. Its a simpiltons way of deflecting an issue that has bigger ramification then what I intend to do. Because when we do get a surplus of these bows yes we will put them on the broker. We would be dumb not to. That is NOT THE POINT. </p></blockquote> I could really care less what your guild does to be honest, but you are the one that brought your guild into this mess by saying they would be putting them up for sale. As I said before, stop putting the cart before the horse. If you can kill Wuoshi, you dont have to worry about flooding the broker with Rigid Scale Bows. I think thats pretty much the point I was trying to make. Kill Wuoshi, get several Rigid Scale Bow Recipes, and Several scales that no one in guild needs... AND THEN worry about making the best bow in game available to anyone with an abundance of plat. </blockquote>Then lets agree to disagree. I would rather fix a broken mechanic before its exploited. You sound as if you would rather exploit a broken mechanic and then fix it. I came here simply for feedback on an issue that seemed completely unbalanced to me. So far it seems the people who have actually reached this level tend to agree as well.

[Gungo]

<cite>Prandtl wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote> And the only reason i can see rangers approving these changes is most can not kill woushi and are <b>biasd based on selfish motives. </b></blockquote>Biased due to selfish motives?  Funny thing is, that was my thought when I read your first post on this subject.<img src="/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> Let's apply actual logic to this drivel. I as a bruiser have nothing to gain from this change. I am not in any form of direct competition with rangers in any way, shape, or form. I gain nothing by making bows harder for the casual raider to get. I in fact will loose monetary gain by even bringing up this dilemma. Since my guild does not have this book yet. I in fact hurt my guilds potential dps. How in the world do you derive any semblance of me having a selfish motive by the fact i am actually hurting myself more then benefitting myself or my guild. Barring any masochistic tendancies i have nothing to gain. Please think before you post, or if your actual train of thought is to attack the poster instead of the issue. Then do yourself a favor and don't post.   </blockquote><p>Howabout we try this tack...</p><p>You have nothing to lose, and currently nothing to gain.  You don't have a horse in this race, so why are you even here?  Initially I thought you might have some insight to add to this thread, but your last few posts have only demonstrated that your avatar, a troll, is in fact correct.  Enjoy your phat platz and ubah lewtz </p></blockquote><p>I guess you cna call me a troll. It doesn't bother me. I do spend way to much free time on the forums. But don't put the fact i defend myself when people tend to attack me or my interests as trolling. It is the furtherest from the truth. I can easily claim the same about you. What is the merit of this response? Does it serve any purpose? OR are you just trolling and inciting other memebers of the forum? Well the actually definition of trolling is a person who incites or flames other memebers fo the community? Which response is trolling? Mine which brings up an issue based on drop rates. Or yours calling people names? I see you disagree with me on my initial view. Is this last post your idea of a debate on that issue or truly are you just trolling and calling me names?</p><p>If that is what you call your "tack" i would rather not, but thanks for playing.</p><p>And since everyone must have some alternative motive for reccommending a change. Maybe just maybe someone brings up an issue that they think is right even though they do not have an interest in the change. As i said before this is not just a bow issue. Its all item centric combines in the EH recipes. It is just the bow currently is the only item centric combine thats the best of its kind. So it is the most glaring example of imbalance. It really does not bother me either way. I thought i would bring up an issue that most of the community would not realize right away (recipes has only been in for 2 weeks). Instead i got hostility and personal attacks on a simple observation. IF defending oneself is considered trolling so be it. I would rather be a troll then an a-hole anyday.</p>

[Gareorn]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>Well the actually definition of trolling is a person who incites or flames other memebers fo the community? </blockquote><p>True.  And it's not like you went to the Ranger forums to call for a nerf to a piece of equipment that really only affects Rangers.<img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I saw a Wizzy hit a mob for 47K the other day.  Maybe you could go over to the Wizzy forums and try to get that fixed too. </p>

[Prandtl]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>Prandtl wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote><cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote> And the only reason i can see rangers approving these changes is most can not kill woushi and are <b>biasd based on selfish motives. </b></blockquote>Biased due to selfish motives?  Funny thing is, that was my thought when I read your first post on this subject.<img src="/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> Let's apply actual logic to this drivel. I as a bruiser have nothing to gain from this change. I am not in any form of direct competition with rangers in any way, shape, or form. I gain nothing by making bows harder for the casual raider to get. I in fact will loose monetary gain by even bringing up this dilemma. Since my guild does not have this book yet. I in fact hurt my guilds potential dps. How in the world do you derive any semblance of me having a selfish motive by the fact i am actually hurting myself more then benefitting myself or my guild. Barring any masochistic tendancies i have nothing to gain. Please think before you post, or if your actual train of thought is to attack the poster instead of the issue. Then do yourself a favor and don't post.   </blockquote><p>Howabout we try this tack...</p><p>You have nothing to lose, and currently nothing to gain.  You don't have a horse in this race, so why are you even here?  Initially I thought you might have some insight to add to this thread, but your last few posts have only demonstrated that your avatar, a troll, is in fact correct.  Enjoy your phat platz and ubah lewtz </p></blockquote><p>I guess you cna call me a troll. It doesn't bother me. I do spend way to much free time on the forums. But don't put the fact i defend myself when people tend to attack me or my interests as trolling. It is the furtherest from the truth. I can easily claim the same about you. What is the merit of this response? Does it serve any purpose? OR are you just trolling and inciting other memebers of the forum? Well the actually definition of trolling is a person who incites or flames other memebers fo the community? Which response is trolling? Mine which brings up an issue based on drop rates. Or yours calling people names? I see you disagree with me on my initial view. Is this last post your idea of a debate on that issue or truly are you just trolling and calling me names?</p><p>If that is what you call your "tack" i would rather not, but thanks for playing.</p><p>And since everyone must have some alternative motive for reccommending a change. Maybe just maybe someone brings up an issue that they think is right even though they do not have an interest in the change. As i said before this is not just a bow issue. Its all item centric combines in the EH recipes. It is just the bow currently is the only item centric combine thats the best of its kind. So it is the most glaring example of imbalance. It really does not bother me either way. I thought i would bring up an issue that most of the community would not realize right away (recipes has only been in for 2 weeks). Instead i got hostility and personal attacks on a simple observation. IF defending oneself is considered trolling so be it. I would rather be a troll then an a-hole anyday.</p></blockquote><p>hey sport, I didn't flame you until you flamed Gareorn, a valuable <i>contributing</i> member of the ranger community.  I re-read my past posts and did not find a single instance where I personally attacked your tender psyche until that moment</p><p>A dev has already told you <b>working as intended</b></p><p>deal with it sport </p>

[rimalz2747]

Lewz@Najena wrote: <blockquote> The poitn is every floor drops more compenents then needed for the book. FACT The book is a garanteed drop (1 of 5 books) FACT The book has 5 charges FACT Thats an average of 1 BOW a week. FACT (as pointed out by illucide) That only works if every book has the same chance of dropping, which i doubt. </blockquote> We've seen 2 scales in the last .. 3 clearings of EH. I dunno that I'd call line 1 a fact. That kinda ruins line 4's fact-ness too.

[Drodin]

<cite>Star wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Please remeber a recent post by one ot the Devs indicating that raid dropped items will no longer have procs that do not help in raids and that he will get revisiting recent items with such procs and revising them to have more useful procs. I very much believe that the Star Darkened Longbow falls into this catagory. Should it get a nice DMG proc on it then I believe it might get itself right up there with this bow, making the Rigid Scale no longer the DeFacto 'Best Bow In the Game' (tm)</p><p>Either way I think Gungo is vastly over estimating the degree to which these will be out there. He's assuming that you can get enough scales to drop and *not* be used by people on the 4 other items that can be made from them to put out 5 bows a week. Way over estimating. And if the level cap raises in the next expansion (which I think it likely will) all of this gear will be out dated.</p></blockquote> I'm anxious to see what they do with the Star Darkened (if anything).  Following the whole Mayong > Woushi plan I'm hoping this does get revisitied and ultimately makes the Star Darkened the better of the 2, not just because I have one, but because the Woushi bow is going to be much more available to the masses, and is even tradeable. Also, I dont really have any problems with the Rigid Scale as it is, and thats partly because I'm in a guild with 4 other rangers who raid and they are all currently stuck with Raincaller, so Finding one of these books will be a great help, and I know so many other rangers are in the same position.  The only thing I might change is the fact that it is currently the best bow.  So I would like to see the Mayong bow upgraded to be a little better, since its harder to get (in theory), and no-trade.

[Gungo]

<p>So its been only 1 month since i wrote abotu the rigid scale bow and how easily it is to get. So far top guidls are sellign this bow on the broker ALREADY. The reason is because there are no charges at all on any of these recipes. Yes thats right endless supply of the best bows in game. Only limited by the amount of scales. </p><p>So the guilds who all can kill woushi tell me if you really think this bow should be dropping liek rain drops. I said 3 months its only been 1 and they are alreayd on the broker. </p><p>P.s. mayong had his loot redone and this is sitll the best bow in game.</p>

[Drodin]

the bow isnt selling for cheap for one thing, and there isnt really much else worth spending scales on, so you'll see people save their extras for the bow recipie because that will net the most coin once everyone in the guild is happy with their wuoshi book stuff.  The recipe hasnt dropped on this server either afaik. As for mayong, I'm pretty sure that was just contested mayong that had his loot looked at.  Anywho, Star Darkened Longbow has a [Removed for Content] proc for raids and needs to be changed.  Hopefully the reason it hasnt been fixed yet is because they are making a super cool model for it and they are making sure it will be better than Rigid Scale. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Talz]

This thread reminds me of the elemental bow threads in EQ1.

[Gareorn]

<cite>Talzar wrote:</cite><blockquote>This thread reminds me of the elemental bow threads in EQ1. </blockquote>Me too.  It's like licking a cheese grater until you have enough tongue for a salad.

[Negel]

<p>Been almost 5 months since this posted....I saw on some raid guild player equiped it, but not yet see one on broker!  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> Well, on Unrest anyway.  Cann't even fine the book or material on sell!</p><p>How are the other server?</p><p>Just wondering that is all...<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> </p>

[Miladi]

<cite>Gungo@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Star wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Please remeber a recent post by one ot the Devs indicating that raid dropped items will no longer have procs that do not help in raids and that he will get revisiting recent items with such procs and revising them to have more useful procs. I very much believe that the Star Darkened Longbow falls into this catagory. Should it get a nice DMG proc on it then I believe it might get itself right up there with this bow, making the Rigid Scale no longer the DeFacto 'Best Bow In the Game' (tm)</p><p>Either way I think Gungo is vastly over estimating the degree to which these will be out there. He's assuming that you can get enough scales to drop and *not* be used by people on the 4 other items that can be made from them to put out 5 bows a week. Way over estimating. And if the level cap raises in the next expansion (which I think it likely will) all of this gear will be out dated.</p>I</blockquote>Its not an overestimate. When one uncomplete clearing provides more seeds then needed and more bark then can be used. Obviously more scales then needed will come. Its not 5 bows a week its 5 bows ever 5 weeks or 1 bow a week average. I already talked to illucide on this and he is fine with the (confirmed) numbers, but i still can not fathom how the best bow in game should be this common. But as you said if current harder to obtain fabled bows are better then this issue will be less pronounced. </blockquote>Your math is off here sorry to say. By your estimates, there's a 1 in 5 chance it will drop when Wuoshi is killed, that does NOT mean that if he's killed 5 times, 1 of this particular book MUST drop. It means that every time he's killed, there's a 20% chance that it will drop. That means, even if you kill him 100 times, you still only have a 20% chance of it dropping, not that it will drop 20% of the time.

[Krakelkr]

<cite>Miladian wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gungo@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Star wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Please remeber a recent post by one ot the Devs indicating that raid dropped items will no longer have procs that do not help in raids and that he will get revisiting recent items with such procs and revising them to have more useful procs. I very much believe that the Star Darkened Longbow falls into this catagory. Should it get a nice DMG proc on it then I believe it might get itself right up there with this bow, making the Rigid Scale no longer the DeFacto 'Best Bow In the Game' (tm)</p><p>Either way I think Gungo is vastly over estimating the degree to which these will be out there. He's assuming that you can get enough scales to drop and *not* be used by people on the 4 other items that can be made from them to put out 5 bows a week. Way over estimating. And if the level cap raises in the next expansion (which I think it likely will) all of this gear will be out dated.</p>I</blockquote>Its not an overestimate. When one uncomplete clearing provides more seeds then needed and more bark then can be used. Obviously more scales then needed will come. Its not 5 bows a week its 5 bows ever 5 weeks or 1 bow a week average. I already talked to illucide on this and he is fine with the (confirmed) numbers, but i still can not fathom how the best bow in game should be this common. But as you said if current harder to obtain fabled bows are better then this issue will be less pronounced. </blockquote>Your math is off here sorry to say. By your estimates, there's a 1 in 5 chance it will drop when Wuoshi is killed, that does NOT mean that if he's killed 5 times, 1 of this particular book MUST drop. It means that every time he's killed, there's a 20% chance that it will drop. That means, even if you kill him 100 times, you still only have a 20% chance of it dropping, not that it will drop 20% of the time.</blockquote>Ehum... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />.The probability that it will drop at least once in 100 times is 1 - (0.8^100) for a 20% drop rate. It's practically certain.That it wil drop at least once in 5 tries is 1 - (0.8^5). About 2/3.Useful info?

[Gnevil]

<p>I find this thread depressing in the extreme.  The poster who claimed this bow would be in wide release in a few months and that was unacceptable.</p><p>I have raided HOS / Deathtoll until I just feel sick as we approach the bow dropping [Removed for Content] of a mob... Only seen on bow drop in DT and none yet in HOS.  I continue to use Raincaller, and you know it's freaking sad.</p><p>Helped a pickup raid the other day do Talendor for peeps needing DT access.  Was on the raid with 4 other rangers.  One had Rigid Scale, another had Star Darkened.  the other 3 of us were using Rain Caller or Grizzle.  After watching the 5th or 6th parse pop up and seeing the two rangers with the uber bows posting 2.1 to 2.4parse and the other three of us hitting if we were lucky 1.6 (1.6 being my high from hitting a string of Crits in a row) it just depressed me to no end.  I use the best player crafted arrows I can, I use 3 poisons stacked to max out my dps and I have the agility/int aa lines to maximize my crits... And I couldn't even approach their dps and the two with the good bows were in my group...</p><p>Rangers pretty much get crapped on by Sony for all the best quest line rewards and yet our own board peeps are saying by god no they should reduce the chance at this bow...</p><p>God give me a break and go jerk your [Removed for Content]I can't believe you would even come here and say that crap... </p><p>Give Sony more reason to make great bows freaking impossible to ever see...</p>

[LoreLady]

My advise.. Get your guild exploring EH, the first few named are cake if they spawn. Sarnik the fang drops 2 bows fairly commonly.  KoS bows suck to get it took me 6 months of nonstop raiding, and raiding each day to get both the DT bow + the HoS bow.

[Gareorn]

<cite>Gnevil wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I find this thread depressing in the extreme.  The poster who claimed this bow would be in wide release in a few months and that was unacceptable.</p></blockquote>That poster was just another ranger forum troll.  He was just stirring up trouble.  It's almost 6 months since he said the market would be flooded with these bows and now we know that he couldn't be further from the truth.

[EQ2Magroo]

The market *is* flooded with these bows.....on Test <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />If you want to try out one of these bows, use /testcopy to copy your toon over to Test (ask some of your friends to do the same!) and then you can see what a difference it makes to your DPS. You can actually buy the Rigid Scale Bow for about 1.5PP from an NPC vendor in QH.Of course, when you come back to the live server you just end up even more depressed as you know you can parse higher if you just had the [Removed for Content] bow <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Toughone]

Where is this npc on test thats selling the bow, id love to test it hehe, thanks!