Bladeturn AA Useless?

[Strums]

<p>While respecing my AA's last night, "I was going down the STR line for the Bladedance", I noticed something with the bladeturn AA.  The bladeturn AA says "The Bladesinger's group songs that increase avoidance skills have their values increased."</p><p>Thing is...while I was putting points into it, I realised as a Troubador I have no group songs that increase avoidance <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I checked each buff before I put any points in that skill, and then checked them each again after I had placed the point into them...and none of them changed. </p><p>Am I missing something here, or are the troubadors spending 4 AA points in a skill that has ABSOLUTLY no meaning for them?  I could see the point if it gave you an ability that was useless...but this is costing 4 points and were not even getting a useless skill or upgrade for it...or at least thats what I am seeing.</p><p>Can anyone be so kind as to shed some insight on this for me?</p>

[Mildavyn]

Its for the Balletic Avoidance line, the one which increases Defense. Its been well documented to be a VERY small increase (2 points?) for your 4 points. But it lets you get Bladedance.

[vladsamier]

<cite>Strums wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>While respecing my AA's last night, "I was going down the STR line for the Bladedance", I noticed something with the bladeturn AA.  The bladeturn AA says "The Bladesinger's group songs that increase avoidance skills have their values increased."</p><p>Thing is...while I was putting points into it, I realised as a Troubador I have no group songs that increase avoidance <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I checked each buff before I put any points in that skill, and then checked them each again after I had placed the point into them...and none of them changed. </p><p>Am I missing something here, or are the troubadors spending 4 AA points in a skill that has ABSOLUTLY no meaning for them?  I could see the point if it gave you an ability that was useless...but this is costing 4 points and were not even getting a useless skill or upgrade for it...or at least thats what I am seeing.</p><p>Can anyone be so kind as to shed some insight on this for me?</p></blockquote>That AA line increases the defense that Balletic Avoidance gives. So no, you aren't completely throwing your points away.

[Strums]

<p>yeah bladedance is what I was after, but I didnt notice any change in balletic avoidance.  I think my A3 was at 28, and after 4 points spent it was still 28...</p><p>I will have to look again, I have it wrote down at home.</p><p>Thanks for the reply!</p>

[vladsamier]

I think adept III gives +25 defense without the AA. I may be mistaken though, but I do know it is working and adding more defense.

[Jait]

<p>With M1 and 4 points I get 31 Defense.   So 28 sounds about right.</p>

[Novusod]

<cite>Strums wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>While respecing my AA's last night, "I was going down the STR line for the Bladedance", I noticed something with the bladeturn AA.  The bladeturn AA says "The Bladesinger's group songs that increase avoidance skills have their values increased."</p><p>Thing is...while I was putting points into it, I realised as a Troubador I have no group songs that increase avoidance <img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I checked each buff before I put any points in that skill, and then checked them each again after I had placed the point into them...and none of them changed. </p><p>Am I missing something here, or are the troubadors spending 4 AA points in a skill that has ABSOLUTLY no meaning for them?  I could see the point if it gave you an ability that was useless...but this is costing 4 points and were not even getting a useless skill or upgrade for it...or at least thats what I am seeing.</p><p>Can anyone be so kind as to shed some insight on this for me?</p></blockquote>If you have Balletic avoidance on you will have to turn it off and then recast it to see any increase in avoidance. The four AA points gave me +300 avoidance and lvl70.

[Thrashercat]

All I know is that with the diminishing returns system in place, avoidance can sometimes mean more mitigation for the tank in a pinch when other classes arent available, so its not throwing your points away at all.

[Tri]

i wrote a post several times in the Achievment forums about this. <b><span style="font-size: small">5</span></b> points in the skill with the Master spell will give you <b><span style="font-size: small">2</span></b> defense. 6 points will add 3 and 8 AAs will add 4, and anything under 4 only adds 1 defense. Did i mention this is with the lvl 60 master spell ???? I do consider this to be more than broken, this is just another scaling issue with bards.... And defense uses diminushing curves too, so those extra 2 really truely, extremely SUCK ! The game is good but the recent events makes you wonder if they are trying to get peeps leave Eq2 for VG. It was said there will be a revamp, so there better be one or else i'll be leaving, and not for VG

[Pogopuschel]

If you use the song as often as I do (i.e. max. 5% of the time), yes it's a complete waste. If you use it all the time, it's still as close to a complete waste as it can get.

[Strums]

<cite>Triag wrote:</cite><blockquote>i wrote a post several times in the Achievment forums about this. <b><span style="font-size: small">5</span></b> points in the skill with the Master spell will give you <b><span style="font-size: small">2</span></b> defense. 6 points will add 3 and 8 AAs will add 4, and anything under 4 only adds 1 defense. Did i mention this is with the lvl 60 master spell ???? I do consider this to be more than broken, this is just another scaling issue with bards.... And defense uses diminushing curves too, so those extra 2 really truely, extremely SUCK ! The game is good but the recent events makes you wonder if they are trying to get peeps leave Eq2 for VG. It was said there will be a revamp, so there better be one or else i'll be leaving, and not for VG </blockquote><p>Yeah, whats up with the scaling for bards?  I remember when my troub was around 30ish, my master buffs and debuffs made a huge diffrence in fights.  It seems at 70 though, their pretty useless.  Is this just me, or do alot of others notice this too?</p><p>And that revamp...they mentioned revamping the bard eh?  I sure hope they do. </p><p>Edited for typo</p>

[Jeger_Wulf]

<p>> And that revamp...they mentioned revamping the bard eh?  I sure hope they do.</p><p>Yes, they did mention revamping the bards. Unfortunately, they said they would for LU 32, so I am betting "what you see is what you get." </p>