Best AA spec with LU 32 changes

[TheWorm]

For a nice mix of tanking/soloing/DPS I'm going with Int 4 4 8 7 2 Wis 4 4 8 6 2 I'm sure many people will keep pretty much the old setup using 4 4 8 on sta/wis/int for pure DPS, but i've found the final ability in the Int line to be helpful at times, and the extra parry helps the stoneskin proc from the Bruiser EOF tree.  While raiding, right after KO combo is done I'll pop crane flock and rack up some decent dps.  I suggest switching to a powerful 2hb for multiple mob encounters. EDIT  Ya sorry that was a typo, I max the int line crit chance for sure.

[Anjelakus]

<p>I am using Int 4 / 4 / 8 and Wis 4/ 4 / 5 / 8 currently.  This gives me a nice steady dps.   I am interested in trying your setup to parse the differences in dps.</p>

[Gungo]

<p>Right now i am 4/4/8/8 sta and 4/5/8/8 int pretty much my tank build because the final int ability was not worth 8 points w diminishing returns curve. but for 2 points i will go 4/4/8/8 sta and 4/4/8/7/2 int that would be alot better for tanking/dps.</p><p>for serious dps though yoru set up looks nice except i would complete the int line crits have become huge in dps upgrading. </p><p>try 4/4/8/6/2 wis and 4/4/8/7/2</p><p>thats probably what you ment but are missing points in your build. </p><p>The question becomes is the aoe proc more dps then the dam proc and is loosing all that deflection worth crane flock? I tried crane flock before and i wasn't really impressed w the damage spike to me it was less dps then knockout combo. </p><p>Really i need a powerful 2 hander w a good dam spread then i will place the aoe adornment on it and max my crits then i will fully switch to wis line. Eventually i will go for a full dps bruiser. Sad but that is the path SoE is taking us.</p>

[tt66]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote: <blockquote>try 4/4/8/6/2 wis and 4/4/8/7/2 int </blockquote>Yeah, that's the build I'm trying at the moment. I'm a huge fan of the endline INT ability anyway, so getting it for 6 points less was a bargain. Sure I had to spend 2 more points for increased parry to get it, but that's hardly a chore. I've never tried the endline WIS ability before, but I thought I should try it out now that we can get two endlines at once. I don't do the barefist thing, don't really like the AGI tree (although I recognize that other bruisers do swear by it), and Mantis Leap seems very pvp oriented so it was WIS by default. I think it will take some getting used to (it only effects targets your facing, and only a maximum of 4), but I'm hoping it will help a lot when it comes to keeping aggro on groups. Now if only we could get some decent titles to go along with the cool abilities! Of all of them, "Mantis Master" is the only one that sounds even remotely decent. Not all brawlers are monks, after all! At least, please can we get rid of the animal titles? And maybe change the INT line to something like "Disciple?" Sifu, Guru, Master, Sensei and Disciple are at least bearable. C'mon, "Eagle Expert"?

[Madmoon]

Do you think it is still a good general rule to keep STR line maxxed, at least the offensive part, if you don't own Fableds?  I remember reading even Mastercrafted DWs, which are the best I can get, are not good enough to switch out of a STR inclusive build.

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

If you can find some very nice adornments you want, then I could see switching to weapons even on mastercrafted. But the adornments I'm thinking about cost 6-9p on the broker, and I wouldn't dump that much cash on mastercrafted freaking weapons, heh. So probably not. After the update, I went with Wis/Int as well. So I drop the Mantis' proc, which was something like 3-4% of my damage on the parse pie chart, and get nearly constant crits when below 30%, and the nice AoE burst every once in a while. I doubt I'll really see any real drop in DPS in the end, and end up with more health, parry, a virtual second aoe rescue, and a minor mitigation boost when it counts. I'm keeping my Marauder title though. Eagle Expert... seriously, that's not even Monk-like. That's what you call the falconer at the ren faire. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[TheWorm]

Ya our titles are dissapointing.  My favorite is "monkey guru,"  just because it is ridiculous.  Too bad I have zero interest in the AGI line.  Thanks for the comments guys, lemme know what you think of "crane flock" after you've had a while to try it out.

[Splintered]

with my bruiser i'm doing/going to do int 4/8/8/2/2, sta 4/4/8/7/2, i'm on a pvp server, so I'm looking for any ability that can help me get close up quickly, particulary on a ranger (which is why i am doing the final two in sta)

[raydenwins]

What does int do exactly for the bruiser?

[TheWorm]

<p>Well, "Int" on its own does very little for a bruiser.  On its own, it will increase the dmg on our offensive, and mixed stance proc.  It might also increase the dmg on some weapon procs, but I'm not positive on that.  Also, it will increase the damage of the "mantis bolt" ability down the sta AA line.  </p><p>However, the Int AA line has many useful abilities, including 18%(ish) crit chance and increased parry.  The parry increase is excellent in junction with the stoneskin proc in the EOF AA tree.</p>

[Zelkova]

<cite>TheWorm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, "Int" on its own does very little for a bruiser.  On its own, it will increase the dmg on our offensive, and mixed stance proc.  It might also increase the dmg on some weapon procs, but I'm not positive on that.  Also, it will increase the damage of the "mantis bolt" ability down the sta AA line.  </p><p>However, the Int AA line has many useful abilities, including 18%(ish) crit chance and increased parry.  The parry increase is excellent in junction with the stoneskin proc in the EOF AA tree.</p></blockquote> Our stances are based off of STR, not INT. The Mantis Bolt proc is supposedly bugged and going to be changed, or they've already changed it to STR though it may possibly still be affected by INT, I didn't bother to log in and check but I'll do it later <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Storming Fists is based off INT. Weapon and other item procs are subject to STR or INT with no rhyme or reason, just whatever the hell the designer decided at the time (maybe they flip a coin, who knows....)

[Bobbette]

It's not the most popular set up but I have Agi 44862 and Int 44862.  I probably wouldn't have bothered with the last two circles in Int but there was really nothing else I could do with them.  I do, however, like the agility line.  Altruism has worked really well and I like the faster reuse on my combat arts.  At 70 I don't have too much of a problem with it sucking down more power and I self manage the casting of my CAs to manage my power when I don't have a regener around.  Not sure I would have liked it as much at lower levels when power was an issue.

[Madmoon]

Kaisoku@Mistmoore wrote: <blockquote>If you can find some very nice adornments you want, then I could see switching to weapons even on mastercrafted. But the adornments I'm thinking about cost 6-9p on the broker, and I wouldn't dump that much cash on mastercrafted freaking weapons, heh. So probably not. After the update, I went with Wis/Int as well. So I drop the Mantis' proc, which was something like 3-4% of my damage on the parse pie chart, and get nearly constant crits when below 30%, and the nice AoE burst every once in a while. I doubt I'll really see any real drop in DPS in the end, and end up with more health, parry, a virtual second aoe rescue, and a minor mitigation boost when it counts. I'm keeping my Marauder title though. Eagle Expert... seriously, that's not even Monk-like. That's what you call the falconer at the ren faire. <img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> Six to nine plat, 18 plat in total, is still a lot more concievable than 30 to 60 plat for Fabled DWs on AB.  I am going STR and INT, but want to switch out of STR.  It's good, great even, but I'd like to use weapons again, too, if I can get near STR DPS.  I don't mind falling off a little, but I equipped a couple 44 DR DWs, and my DPS dropped in half.  I was thinking going through INT, then switching over to STA, if the DPS drop from STR is not too severe, because all those abilities are useful together - no wasted AA points.

[silentpsycho]

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I'm trying to figure out wether to go STA or WIS on my pvp server bruiser.  I just spec'ed out of STR into WIS (full line) and, to be honest, I'm a little dissapointed.  Would my burst damage and surviability be better with STA than an INT WIS build?  Also, I can do one full line to the end ability and 448 in another line.  Would 448 INT (with the intention of finishing it up down the road) and 44862 STA be a decent pvp bulld for now?

[Bobbette]

I don't PVP but since my previous post, I respec'ed to Wis and Int to the bottom.  I love Crane Flock, the burst damage is really nice.  I believe the stamina line is popular with pvp'ers but since I don't and bruisers already have a teleport skill (name escapes me, still on my first cup of coffee), I didn't see the need. I'd say you should at least do 448 in Int to get the melee crits.  Once you have more points, you could take it down to the bottom so if/when your health drops you get that extra mit plus the additional dps. Hopefully others with chime in about the sta vs. wis thing.

[silentpsycho]

<p>Sonic Fists + Drag would be the rough equivalent of mantis leap, I believe; except the thing you are "pulling" ends up back where you TP'ed from instead of you ending up there.  The one cool thing about mantis leap is that you can TP to any NPC or PC, friend or foe.  Shortish range though; would be excellent if it worked out of LOS and had wider range.</p><p>I was fairly dissapointed with crane flock when I tried the WIS build, it really seemed lackluster in terms of overall dps.  Though solo'ing in poets now, I can see how it might be handy.  I keep going back and forth on these two builds; the only constant for me is the INT 44862 part of the build - this seems failry mandatory.</p><p>What would be the primary reason to try the AGI line? I see some folks running around with monkey guru titles, but FD'ing others seems to be a lame end-line ability for a bruiser.  Esp. on a PVP server.</p>

[Madmoon]

<p>Well, I can give a use.  I partner with a berserker, often, of late, and whomever else we can drag along.  He's all Legendary/Fabled equipped, and has been helping me get a few pieces.  Between the two of us, we have no problem holding agro, even with a wizard mana-dumping.  When taking on Nameds, he ends up deing a lot, though.   I can usually finish the fight when it turns on me, but I would love to save him the repair costs, invis totem pulls and run-backs by Feigning him, just before he dies.  I don't know where it fits in Raids, but for groups, I see a lot of utility.</p><p>Redmouser Bruiser, AB</p>