Rangers saying screw it...

[Azrael_888]

<p>I was just curious how many rangers are either quitting completely or trading their ranger main for another up and coming lvl 70 on their account or another account.</p><p>As a lvl 70 ranger on the Bazaar who recently quit due to endgame/guilds/and <b>DPS BS</b> (mainly poisons/arrow consumption) I keep reading about all the rangers saying F it and going to other toons.  Now these may be the few and far between but if the DEV's see that accounts are being closed and toons are being shelved due to their incompetence to "fix" the ranger problems maybe the loss of income to SOE will prove that there really is a serious issue with rangers and they will finally note it and do something about it to get back that income they will be missing.</p><p>LOL reading that post I sound like I'm trying to organize a ranger strike..... =P.  </p><p>Mainly I was just curious if you are thinking about or have shelved/cancelled your ranger account due to problems post here to show the dev's that they have a problem and that for some people we just didn't want to <b><u>tolerate</u></b> it any more.</p>

[Wil81115]

<p> Well I can't speak for everyone but for those that can stick it out, make enough plat to buy your masters, and raid.. The rewards are finally paying off with the new EoF AA's.</p><p>T8 ammo summoning bow.. A Sarnak War Bow.. Fully mastered(every master from 57-70 minus the BL one).. Almost 100AA's... Desently geared..</p><p>And were back on top of the parse alot of the time. Which is why I rolled a Ranger. To deal DPS, make the mobs hp's go away.</p><p> But this isn't how a class should be balanced. Needing all the best items, Combat art upgrades, and gear just to get to where our class SHOULD be.. If any devs are reading this please talk to your local high end Rangers and get their imput, I think you'd be surpised to know the TRUTH..</p>

[chrystolr]

I enjoy seeing people quit actually. The game isn't just about raiding yet everyone seems to treat it that way. Not only that but they treat raiding more like a profession or a job. 5 days a week up to 7+ hours, a whole [Removed for Content] load of requirements...all to have "fun".  I suggest you find another outlet on the game to enjoy it. I chose the pvp server. I can do everything at my own pase, I don't need to raid, group, or even power level super fast to get where I need. And I have never raided nor grouped once I reached 70 and I've already obtained gear greater then KoS raid tier by myself. No guild (aside from the one I created for only myself to be in) no help no nothing. And thats just because I like to do things solo and already I can accomplish as much as a hardcore raider with less then half the effort without having to succumb to ridiculous obstacles of becoming part of a elite guild that literally controls my play style? Now add in raiding, grouping, adventuring ect. and you can all have what you want with the added bonus of player killing. Frankly you should cancel and quit the game if you spend more then half a week raiding...or even playing the game. But like I said theres more then just raiding to this game and to find other fun outlits isn't hard its just the choice you all make then complain about it not being fun.

[TaleraRis]

I've had times where it's gotten really hard to be a solo ranger. I just go away for a bit (either from choice or intensive amounts of calculus and programming homework) and come back to a fresh viewpoint. My issues aren't with the class itself, though, since I think we handle solo mobs just fine. It's the narrowing pathway I find myself on as a soloer at the higher levels. Far too many switcheroo quests that have a solo step or two, then throw you into a heroic area or instance and you cannot progress the line anymore on your own. Plus the pitiful quality of solo-rated quests in the overland zones and the quality of their lore in comparison to lore of group and raid quests. I have a baby coercer I've been working up, and a conjuror who's been 32 for a bit, but I still love the ranger class far too much to give it up entirely. It just gets very very discouraging at times.

[panther55]

<cite>chrystolred wrote:</cite><blockquote>I enjoy seeing people quit actually. The game isn't just about raiding yet everyone seems to treat it that way. Not only that but they treat raiding more like a profession or a job. 5 days a week up to 7+ hours, a whole [I cannot control my vocabulary] load of requirements...all to have "fun".  I suggest you find another outlet on the game to enjoy it. I chose the pvp server. I can do everything at my own pase, I don't need to raid, group, or even power level super fast to get where I need. And I have never raided nor grouped once I reached 70 and I've already obtained gear greater then KoS raid tier by myself. No guild (aside from the one I created for only myself to be in) no help no nothing. And thats just because I like to do things solo and already I can accomplish as much as a hardcore raider with less then half the effort without having to succumb to ridiculous obstacles of becoming part of a elite guild that literally controls my play style? Now add in raiding, grouping, adventuring ect. and you can all have what you want with the added bonus of player killing. Frankly you should cancel and quit the game if you spend more then half a week raiding...or even playing the game. But like I said theres more then just raiding to this game and to find other fun outlits isn't hard its just the choice you all make then complain about it not being fun. </blockquote>Let people play the game how they want to play it. If people want to raid a lot then thats their choice. There are reasons some people play on pve servers and some play on pvp servers. There are reasons there are solo mobs in the game and raid mobs in the game. Don't try to tell others how to play the game or that they should cancel the game if they raid a lot.

[chrystolr]

I am letting people play the game, but the way there playing is resulting in them hating the game and not having fun. So I suggest they try something else in the game...like I said theres a lot more then just raiding. Theres soloing, grouping, raiding, maxing out AA, farming, getting better loot, getting more money, gambling, dueling, a entire pvp server of different rule sets, all sorts of tradeskills and so much much more. To think that all you can focus on is raiding and saying its ruining it for you is sad especially the way people raid. Honestly I Think people make the game less fun for themselves then actual things wrong with game play. I don't care who you are, raiding 5 days a week for any amount of hours will burn you out so fast...faster then an actual real life job will. The game is as fun as you make it.

[Marcuzs]

<cite>chrystolred wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am letting people play the game, but the way there playing is resulting in them hating the game and not having fun. So I suggest they try something else in the game...like I said theres a lot more then just raiding. Theres soloing, grouping, raiding, maxing out AA, farming, getting better loot, getting more money, gambling, dueling, a entire pvp server of different rule sets, all sorts of tradeskills and so much much more. To think that all you can focus on is raiding and saying its ruining it for you is sad especially the way people raid. Honestly I Think people make the game less fun for themselves then actual things wrong with game play. I don't care who you are, raiding 5 days a week for any amount of hours will burn you out so fast...faster then an actual real life job will. The game is as fun as you make it. </blockquote><p>Lets look at the list you put together, and I'll give you the view point of one who raids 7 days a week.</p><p>Soloing - I use to do this alot for quests and leveling.</p><p>Grouping - Did this alot while leveling and farming.</p><p>Maxing out AA - Already done.</p><p>Farming - Whats there really to farm for? Unless your a plat farmer theres not really a whole lot of need to have alot of plat. Yeah you can use it to twink out alts I guess but even that doesnt take alot.</p><p>Getting better loot - At this point for my toon this can only be done through Raids.</p><p>Getting more Money - See farming.</p><p>Gambling - I dont gamble in real life and bother in game. Gambling is for fools who want things fast but will likely end up losing everything instead.</p><p>Dueling - Might be valid for others but I hate dueling.</p><p>PVP Server - Basically same as dueling.</p><p>Tradeskills - Been there, done that. I have 4 level 70 tradeskillers and another on the way. I've even done transmuting.</p><p>Alts (I added this one) - Again already done it. I have 2 lvl 70 toons and another on the way. Frankly it gets boring doing all the content again.</p><p>Raiding - Get to kill alot of hard encounters and possibly see the "end game"</p><p>I'm only going through this list to illustrate something you seem to be missing. Raiders havent always just raided. Most have been playing this game since the game came out (I have) and have already done just about everything you have listed(and more) and some multiple times over. But have since moved on and find that raiding is what they find the most enjoyable part of the game. But if that isnt fun for them anymore, your pretty much telling them to shut up and accept it and go back to doing things they have already done a million times before. No, I'd rather complain and try and protect the part of the game I enjoy the most. </p>

[chrystolr]

You hate dueling and pvp so you never tried it. Same can go for raiding. The pvp server is a complete 360 of a regular server. It would be like playing the game all over again in a different way. Not only that but if you dont want to raid or complain about it like a lot of people do because they get 10 dmg less parse on a raid then a wizard or some stupid small thing you can experience twice as much on pvp. Raiding is hours of waiting, dying and possibly killing 1 monster for what?...equipment. You list pvp as if its only one simple thing like a tradeskill when its a variety of endless things unlike raiding. It is no where close be being equivalent to dueling, or the arena. Also you list have done all those things plus multiple times...which brings me back to an earlier point of playing to much. You can decide how much you want to play all the time and no one can stop you but common sense says if you have to much of a good thing it can be bad, just like if you spend to much on something that is fun it becomes tideous. And for alot of people thats whats happening.

[Marcuzs]

<cite>chrystolred wrote:</cite><blockquote>You hate dueling and pvp so you never tried it. Same can go for raiding. The pvp server is a complete 360 of a regular server. It would be like playing the game all over again in a different way. Not only that but if you dont want to raid or complain about it like a lot of people do because they get 10 dmg less parse on a raid then a wizard or some stupid small thing you can experience twice as much on pvp. Raiding is hours of waiting, dying and possibly killing 1 monster for what?...equipment. You list pvp as if its only one simple thing like a tradeskill when its a variety of endless things unlike raiding. It is no where close be being equivalent to dueling, or the arena. Also you list have done all those things plus multiple times...which brings me back to an earlier point of playing to much. You can decide how much you want to play all the time and no one can stop you but common sense says if you have to much of a good thing it can be bad, just like if you spend to much on something that is fun it becomes tideous. And for alot of people thats whats happening. </blockquote><p>Your base assumptions are incorrect. </p><p>Fist I never said I havent tried dueling or PVP. I merely said I hated them. And how do I know I hate? because I have tried them before. Also I didnt lump dueling and PVP to gether. My statement, "basically the same as dueling" referred to my answer to dueling, that is might be valid for others but I hated. I was not saying, as you appear to think, that PVP is the same as Dueling. I guess I should have been more clear and said "see answer for dueling" since people like you like to read between the lines.</p><p>Second, your entire 2nd paragraph is completely irrelavant. How much I play has nothing to do with whether or not I'm upset about raiding. What makes me upset about raiding is how classes are balanced and how content is built. No matter how much time I play a week is going to effect those. </p><p>Third, you have no idea what it means to raid. Kill 1 mob to get equipment? maybe eventually. But its more the accomplishment that matters to many of us. Its knowing you managed to work together with 23 other skilled players to over come something that you couldnt otherwise do alone. If your a loner then you would probably never understand that. But once you've killed it, the encounter more becomes similiar to leveling. You need to get the equipment from it to beable to take out the next big monster. Just like you need the exp from encounters to take out higher encounters. Ya for some it is all about the equipment but try not to lump everyone together and assume you know what the hell your talking about.</p>

[arieste]

<p>I'll chip in here as a newbie ranger...</p><p>When i rolled my fae alt for EoF, it was going to be an assasin.  Since SOE did not deliver kelethin betrayal on time, i was forced to level a ranger in the meanwhile.</p><p>I had always heard of rangers being the "broken" class and generally bad.  Having played 50 levels, I've decided to stay a ranger now that betrayal is finally in.   I think it's a fun class that is more difficult to play than some of the other dps/utility classes i tried (i tried a dirge and a warlock previously and didnt really enjoy).  Ranger seems to be more involved and intersting.  I've also seen a skilled ranger on a raid and MANY crap rangers on raids, so I think it will make for a nice challenge to play the class well.</p><p>/cheer for arrow consumption change too.</p>

[LoreLady]

Theres always someone complaining about there class - at this point if they are complaining they just plain suck themselves, I dont care what class you are. If your bored of the game - it happens theres only so much a game can give you.. If you want to complain that the only end stuff is raiding, then look at yourself if you have alts, maxed aa's all tradeskills.. Your more then a casual gamer - and the only way to get you to progress more is more aa's and levels.. But you can only do that so many times.. So... Quit complaining and join a casual raiding guild that can accomplish EoF junk then throw in your opinion - you may actually enjoy the social experience raiding has to offer. I know im being abit [Removed for Content], but I am tierd of hearing of people complaining about there class.. Or there isent enough in this game.

[Tommara]

<cite>chrystolred wrote:</cite><blockquote>You hate dueling and pvp so you never tried it. Same can go for raiding. The pvp server is a complete 360 of a regular server. It would be like playing the game all over again in a different way. Not only that but if you dont want to raid or complain about it like a lot of people do because they get 10 dmg less parse on a raid then a wizard or some stupid small thing you can experience twice as much on pvp. Raiding is hours of waiting, dying and possibly killing 1 monster for what?...equipment. You list pvp as if its only one simple thing like a tradeskill when its a variety of endless things unlike raiding. It is no where close be being equivalent to dueling, or the arena. Also you list have done all those things plus multiple times...which brings me back to an earlier point of playing to much. You can decide how much you want to play all the time and no one can stop you but common sense says if you have to much of a good thing it can be bad, just like if you spend to much on something that is fun it becomes tideous. And for alot of people thats whats happening. </blockquote><p> Some of us get so much PvP in our real life jobs that it's not something we want to come home to do.</p><p>It's that simple.</p>

[RickinChicago]

<cite>Tommara wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>chrystolred wrote:</cite><blockquote>You hate dueling and pvp so you never tried it. Same can go for raiding. The pvp server is a complete 360 of a regular server. It would be like playing the game all over again in a different way. Not only that but if you dont want to raid or complain about it like a lot of people do because they get 10 dmg less parse on a raid then a wizard or some stupid small thing you can experience twice as much on pvp. Raiding is hours of waiting, dying and possibly killing 1 monster for what?...equipment. You list pvp as if its only one simple thing like a tradeskill when its a variety of endless things unlike raiding. It is no where close be being equivalent to dueling, or the arena. Also you list have done all those things plus multiple times...which brings me back to an earlier point of playing to much. You can decide how much you want to play all the time and no one can stop you but common sense says if you have to much of a good thing it can be bad, just like if you spend to much on something that is fun it becomes tideous. And for alot of people thats whats happening. </blockquote><p> Some of us get so much PvP in our real life jobs that it's not something we want to come home to do.</p><p>It's that simple.</p><p>Lol</p></blockquote>

[FluffyDestroyerofWorlds]

Hrm.  Well, I haven't ditched my Ranger.  I still take him on raids, but I do have three alts that I am currently leveling: Illusionist (52), Guardian (45) and a Templar (62). I love my Ranger--he's my first toon and still considered my main toon.  He's also a 68 armorer, so I've got that aspect of time-investment as well. Because I have experienced moments of abject hate for PvP-caused nerfs and "re-balancing" acts, my goal towards continuing to enjoy this game is to have a toon that can be useful in various situations.  Don't want a Ranger?  I've got a healer, tank or T2 dps/utility. I have rarely felt like I disliked playing the ranger, but there have been disheartening moments where I've been turned down for groups or even lost my spot on a raid simply because he has nothing to offer other than damage. Blah blah blah.  Anyway, bottom line: I play him much less but enjoy it when I do. Whee --- Smoothie Le'Clot - 70 Ranger Clide Von Shine - 62 Templar Swollenhead Vastskull - 45 Guardian Dieukat Oblique - 52 Illusionist --- Shadows & Dust Mistmoore

[Ji]

<p>I hear you guys and feel your pain. I'm a conjuror and the same has happened to us.</p><p>The question is should mages or scouts be on top when it comes to the parse ?? I would say mages. We wear trash bags for armor and have no abilities other than dps for the most part.</p>

[Prandtl]

<cite>Jixx wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I hear you guys and feel your pain. I'm a conjuror and the same has happened to us.</p><p>The question is should mages or scouts be on top when it comes to the parse ?? I would say mages. We wear trash bags for armor and have no abilities other than dps for the most part.</p></blockquote><p> This is an old old arguement that has been rehashed so many times that it makes me nauseous to even think about rehashing it again.  No answer will make both parties happy, so suffice to say:</p><p><span style="font-size: medium">Why even come into the ranger forum to ask this question?</span></p>

[Gareorn]

<p>I'm more concerned with my personal contributions to the raid force rather than where I fall out on the parse list.  Granted, when I was paying 2 plat per raid in consumables, it did irritate me that people who didn't have to pay for their DPS (like mages) was given the ability to provide more DPS to the raid.  But now, I dont care any more.  And, I'm too old for an [Removed for Content] contest.  Half the time, mine dont work right any way.<img src="/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>The argument about cloth vs. chain is so 2005.  If you are not a tank in DT or one of the New EoF raid zones and you  get aggro, your going down regardless of what you are wearing.<img src="/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Pins]

<cite>Jixx wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I hear you guys and feel your pain. I'm a conjuror and the same has happened to us.</p></blockquote>Then you suck as a Conjuror.

[TerriBlades]

<cite>Jixx wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I hear you guys and feel your pain. I'm a conjuror and the same has happened to us.</p><p>The question is should mages or scouts be on top when it comes to the parse ?? I would say mages. We wear trash bags for armor and have no abilities other than dps for the most part.</p></blockquote><p> Wow.... just wow, did you really ask that question? In a scout forum?</p><p>The part I think I love the most is that as a conjuror you feel you have no ablilites other then DPS.... right... not try telling that to a real DPS. And by that I dont mean just assassins and rangers, but your fellow mages (Wizards and Warlocks) that offer MUCH less utility then you. For the record, of COURSE you feel that mages should do more damage. You're a freaking mage, why wouldnt you be biased?</p><p>I'll say that with the exception of swashys, right now I think that classes (DPS wise) are fairly well balanced. Much better then they have been in the past. </p>

[chrystolr]

Rangers greatest ability is pathfinding...its our only group buff haha.

[Kradun]

Rangers rock for EoF.  Melee type damage from ranged on raid mobs, but great solo-ing ability with improved snares.  Rangers are falling into line with the other classes now.  They arnt broke for the better or worse anymore, except for one thing.  Itemization to bring yourself in line with other classes is jsut way to hard, but again its expected.   Ranger gear is so exotic in comparison to other classes gear.  We need bows, whereas other  classes can share different types of weapons to do their jobs, ie swords clubs dagger.  Only other class that really needs a bow for their CA damage is assassin, but why wouldnt they be doing more melee anyways 0_o

[TerriBlades]

<cite>Kradun wrote:</cite><blockquote>Rangers rock for EoF.  Melee type damage from ranged on raid mobs, but great solo-ing ability with improved snares.  Rangers are falling into line with the other classes now.  They arnt broke for the better or worse anymore, except for one thing.  <span style="color: #ff0000"><b>Itemization to bring yourself in line with other classes is jsut way to hard,</b></span> but again its expected.   Ranger gear is so exotic in comparison to other classes gear.  We need bows, whereas other  classes can share different types of weapons to do their jobs, ie swords clubs dagger.  Only other class that really needs a bow for their CA damage is assassin, but why wouldnt they be doing more melee anyways 0_o </blockquote>Im going to have to beg to differ at this point. There have been quite a few new bows thrown into this game, and thats really where most rangers are having a difficult time. With the addition of Unrest, and the Torn Ligament Longbow, there isnt much of an excuse for rangers not to have a pretty decent mid-range bow. It definately helps close the gap between the 80something DR bows and the 100+ DR bows. The only real set back a ranger would have at this point would be getting T8 ammo...