Combat trackers. Do they work??

[Tash 1]

<p>This was first thought as an answer to another thread but probably better to let it be its own. I have problems with the Pharsers. I use Advanced Combat Tracker and I'm very impressed with how good it is. I do how ever wonder if it really works as intended. I almost always ends up first on heals zone wide. Naturally it differs from mob to mob but as last in Labs named I out healed any other healer buy 66%. Mystic Wardens Fury Inq. And this cant be right. It must be something missing. Do the ACT miss wards? I sure miss all mine shield alley. (Counted over 80 blocks from me to the mt.) The Ward classes should beat me I feel.<img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The same go for dps. Even though ppl on the forum state we can deal good dps I tend to do no more then about 350-450 dps solo and a way lot worse when Im in a group about 250-350. (probably cause healing) Against undeads I can do about 550-750 dps. So what do I miss?<img src="/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I am the hardest hitting templar on my server and about no 80 in spell damage. So do I do something wrong or is this as good as it gets? Or isn't ACT to be thrust??<img src="/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> /Tash</p>

[Kinesthesia]

It has been my experience, parsing with ACT, that Shaman out parse everyone else.  This is simply because wards are taken into account before everything else.  So if you have a couple of Shaman who are on their toes, they can shut down every other healer in the raid, at least for all the trash mobs. Secondly, last time I checked, the heals from group reactives were not being logged at all (and thus can not be parsed).

[Tash 1]

It seems that the group reactive and the single reactive is being logged under the same name. Last raid I mainly used our group reactive since another cleric where in charge for the single reactives. Looking at the parser it say that most of my heal comes from Supplicant's Prayer (Level 26 single reactive). And no word of my T7 reactives. <img src="/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Logging seems really in need of a look over.<img src="/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> /Tash

[EQAditu]

There is nothing wrong with logging in this instance.  If you actually looked at <a href="http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=MTA2NTU4NjMxNQ==" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">your spell</a> it would make complete sense.  For a long time most of the spells are just duplicates of each other with altered stats.

[elyso]

The group and singles reactives are correctly recorded and used by ACT , and as EQAditu said, the parser is using the effect name to display informations (here it's Supplicant's Prayer) which explains why they are grouped. Also, about any warding classes, they usualy top the parse while "fighting" for the first place. It s really depend of your raid force and the place you are raiding. In my guild, with our typical healing raid setup (1 templar, 2 shaman, 2-3 inquis, and 2-3 druids), the MT shaman and I, MT slacker err tempy I mean, are often running in the 2 first places with an eq ual frequency to be first. One thing I must concea de is the fact of most of my healing came from Inv oluntary Restoration and Mark of celestial.  Both spells are like 60% once cumulated. Sincerely, Camaie PS : sorry, i forget most of my english in the bus <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Tash 1]

<p>Ahh lol one should read the description of the spells better it seem.<img src="/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I do still however feel that it would better to call them by ther correct name it would help a lot when looking at the parser. But back to my main question. That I constantly out heal our shamans by 40-66% isn't anything wrong!?!? looking at the parser, but that they are doing something wrong? (I really like them and it will not be easy for me to ask if they play their class right<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)</p><p>/Tash</p>

[Occam]

It sounds to me like your shammys are probably slacking. I had to get on a guildy the other night about this. I was having to fire off everything but the kitchen sink to keep our tank up on the pull and finally asked the shammy in the group if she was warding. She said she wasn't and it didn't seem to be a problem because our tank hadn't died yet. Yeah, thanks. The tank hasn't died because I'm practally playing Mozart's Piano Sonat #8 on my computer keyboard just to keep him up!

[SenorPhrog]

<p>Step 1: Realize that ACT is working</p><p>Step 2: Stop trying to measure your heals with it in raids.  You're going to lose, period.  We could go into a long winded discussion of why other healers out parse by HoT's, wards, etc...but it's all been said before.  The point is, you are not going to outparse most other healers.</p><p>Step 3:  Stop worrying about heal parses.  They are useless and do nothing other than show whether a healer is afk or not.</p>

[myth327-2]

If a mystic/defiler knows what they are doing, you will never beat them in a zone wide parse. (already covered many times as to why) However that being said, there are several shammy's that I do consistently beat on the parse. Not to be mean, but these are also healers that I don't care to rely on in a raid. As far as the healing parse being worthless I disagree. The heal parse shows me which healers I can count on. It also shows who's totally slacking, and the fury's that are wasting all their mana dps'ing. As for using it to measure your performance, its a waste of time. You can use it in a control group to see what healing strats work best for you. But otherwise, you know if you were slacking or not.

[Tash 1]

<p>I did some parsing with my shaman friends and it seem that ACT do log the wards as they should do. So it seems I can trust ACT working fairly well. This is nice! (But it still doesn't count our stone skin or our shield alley). Now my friends I and can start working at the problems and I will be most happy when I am regularly out healed. As I stated in the beginning my I dint have a problem that other healers out heal me. I had a problem that shamans never did and they should. I'm not worried about heal parsers I'm interesting to se how we can improve as a raid. Seeing what heal falling into place when and in what way helps to see how we can improve our healing so the heals comes when needed. So many thanks for the inputs all /Hugs Tash</p>

[Ziggurat2]

The reason is simple. If you were the only templar on the raid then you were the only one casting mark of celestial and involuntary restoration. These spells both heal people outside of your group even if they are barely hurt(ie not hurt enough to be healed by their healers, but still missing hp.) Because of this you easily picked up an enormous amount of healing from people barely wounded in melee range and when adding that to the amount you healed normally, put you far over the top on heals.

[EQAditu]

Tash 123 wrote: <blockquote><p>I did some parsing with my shaman friends and it seem that ACT do log the wards as they should do. So it seems I can trust ACT working fairly well. This is nice! (But it still doesn't count our stone skin or our shield alley). </p></blockquote>There isn't really anything to count stoneskin or Shield Ally as.  Stoneskin cannot be seen by 3rd parties, so not very parseable.  Even if it were, it is always listed as an unmitigated amount, and without knowing the mitigation percentage of the target, the numbers are not meaningful.  The most recent version of ACT will show a stoneskin absorbtion as a "melee" type hit for "No Damage".  Wards that fully absorb an attack no longer use those terms.  So as a process of elimination, other hits marked as "melee" or "non-melee" are stoneskin.  But you can only count the number that occur, not the damage they absorb.  It is very hard to separate Templar stoneskin absorptions from Dirge's... except ours emotes every time the buff procs. Shield Ally is a function of avoidance.  You cannot equate an avoided hit directly to how much damage is avoided.  It is likely that the EQ2 engine did not even bother to calculate how much damage the hit would have done had it landed.  You can find it in ACT as a swing labeled "YOU block", but you can only go as far as count how many occur. If you wish to get purely hypothetical numbers, you can simply take the average hit that did land and assume that the absorbed or avoided hit would have fallen near that average.  That is all you can hope for though. You might as well add Reverence to the list of unparseable things.