coercive healing priority

[enchranter]

<p>Pretty straight forward question here.</p><p> Which healers most benefit from coercive healing? So if i have 2 or more healers in a group, which one should get it?</p>

[DwarvesR]

<p>I'd go with this order:</p><p>Druid > Shaman > Cleric</p><p>The druid's HOT gets a +15% to each tick.  Without running the pure numbers, just going by "feel" that seems like it's the biggest net increase.  Thinking about the numbers, it seems like it's probably pretty closely balanced, but then IMO that still means that I'd want to give it to a druid 1st.  Clerics rarely stack their reactives, so adding 1 trigger to the single-target reactive isn't that big a deal.  Shamans stack their wards more often, but the big group ward still is incredibly slow casting, so it's not *that* much.  But a druid will quite often stack both regens, so that +15% is hitting 2 heal spells that are being cast a lot, and therefore adds to the effectiveness.</p>

[Momolicio]

As the damage is processed the mystic is the first to face the blade. So I always give it to the mystics. +15% to the size of the ward is the best bang for the buck as damage to need the effect of the regen is not figured until the ward is gone. Reactives will fire on a warded target but as a Templar it only adds 1 more reactive to 2 spells, last I checked the instant reactives did not get bonus from CH.  It does not work on Focused Benefaction, or Celestial (Lotto HoT), or item proc heals/regens (PHotE, etc). So for this reason my idea of the best place to put it is on the frontline of healing, the mystics.

[Mage-Apprentice]

<p>Depends on who is healing most.</p><p>A shaman is 99.9% chance the best choice, because if a ward can keep a tank at 100%, the reactive isn't needed.</p><p>The druids may not always heal that often, nor have the full amount anyway. (heals often gets wasted).</p><p>If in a fight, without a shaman, and the cleric can't get all of it's proc's before recast, but you have a druid, give it to the druid.</p><p>In my raid the druid hardly has to heal at all.</p>

[Ibunubi]

<p>Generally, I put mine on the shaman. (1) Wards take the damage first. (2) Wards are a single amount, not a range of heal points. (3) If it's a Defiler, they have no power troubles.</p><p>If it's a number of mobs being tanked, like MO adds, sometimes I'll put it on the cleric for the extra reactive.</p><p>If it's a fight with a lot of AOE damage, I'll put it on the druid.</p>

[Aranieq]

<p>I use this priority: Defiler,cleric,druid - based on the situations below.</p><p>Defiler/Mystic - MT group. really can't beat boosting ward absorbsion and power isnt issue often specially for Defiler.  </p><p>Inquisitor - ST or mele dps group.  sometimes power issue for them but increased reactive can make the out of MT group inquisitor a good reactive MT healer with the MT coercer on the defiler... double the coersive healing boost.</p><p>Fury (we don't have a warden=p) - Mage dps group.  I'm ussually in the dps group so the fury is there... they never run out of power in the dps group like they do in the MT group.  Least not what I've noticed.  I wouldnt put it on them in the MT group.</p>

[Chog]

Depends on the situation. For a Raid: Shaman > Cleric > Druid For a group: Depends on who the healer is.

[Fawlyn]

<p>Depends on the healer/warder to be honest. If it is a great healer I'd put it on them over any warder. But in general my order is Defiler, Mystic, Warden, Templar, Inquisitor, Fury.</p>

[Loadtoads]

<cite>Mage-Apprentice wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Depends on who is healing most.</p><p>A shaman is 99.9% chance the best choice, because if a ward can keep a tank at 100%, the reactive isn't needed.</p><p>The druids may not always heal that often, nor have the full amount anyway. (heals often gets wasted).</p><p>If in a fight, without a shaman, and the cleric can't get all of it's proc's before recast, but you have a druid, give it to the druid.</p><p>In my raid the druid hardly has to heal at all.</p></blockquote> Wow.... I'd dare to say that if your druid is hardly healing in a raid, its not because he doesn't have to, its probably because someone else is picking up his slack..... It's true that Shammy's are hard to beat on a heal parse in raid MT Group, however my druid, and other druids I've seen have been in the top 3 healer spots many many times.  I heal my butt off with my druid outside of main group.   So it really isn't fair for you to Imply that druids don't have to heal at all on a raid if you have shammy's....

[Chog]

Elamia@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote><cite>Mage-Apprentice wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Depends on who is healing most.</p><p>A shaman is 99.9% chance the best choice, because if a ward can keep a tank at 100%, the reactive isn't needed.</p><p>The druids may not always heal that often, nor have the full amount anyway. (heals often gets wasted).</p><p>If in a fight, without a shaman, and the cleric can't get all of it's proc's before recast, but you have a druid, give it to the druid.</p><p>In my raid the druid hardly has to heal at all.</p></blockquote> Wow.... I'd dare to say that if your druid is hardly healing in a raid, its not because he doesn't have to, its probably because someone else is picking up his slack..... It's true that Shammy's are hard to beat on a heal parse in raid MT Group, however my druid, and other druids I've seen have been in the top 3 healer spots many many times.  I heal my butt off with my druid outside of main group.   So it really isn't fair for you to Imply that druids don't have to heal at all on a raid if you have shammy's.... </blockquote><p>How much of your healing from the parse is on the MT?  How much of the healing from the parse is from group HoT's?</p>

[Lleinen]

<p>Only read OP's post</p><p>Shaman, easy.</p>

[Mage-Apprentice]

Elamia@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote><cite>Mage-Apprentice wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Depends on who is healing most.</p><p>A shaman is 99.9% chance the best choice, because if a ward can keep a tank at 100%, the reactive isn't needed.</p><p>The druids may not always heal that often, nor have the full amount anyway. (heals often gets wasted).</p><p>If in a fight, without a shaman, and the cleric can't get all of it's proc's before recast, but you have a druid, give it to the druid.</p><p>In my raid the druid hardly has to heal at all.</p></blockquote> Wow.... I'd dare to say that if your druid is hardly healing in a raid, its not because he doesn't have to, its probably because someone else is picking up his slack..... It's true that Shammy's are hard to beat on a heal parse in raid MT Group, however my druid, and other druids I've seen have been in the top 3 healer spots many many times.  I heal my butt off with my druid outside of main group.   So it really isn't fair for you to Imply that druids don't have to heal at all on a raid if you have shammy's.... </blockquote><p> You misunderstand my post, in most of the zones, mostly the old kos-zones the defiler and templar could keep the mt alive with hardly any problems, does this mean the warden never heals, no, he groupheals and spotheals when ever needed, in certain fights yes he needs to heal more often, but still less compared to the others.</p><p>However due to how groupheals work after and aoe, his total amount of heals is still comparable with the rest, but due how often an aoe hits, it wont make a warden a high priority on having coersive healing.</p><p>I was talking raiding in general, this includes the old kos-zones and trash with it. Also the mt-group is clasical "gaurd/def/temp/ward/coer/(dirge[Removed for Content]swass)." </p><p>If you call it slack, so be it, but I did ask beforehand when I had agro about reactives/regens used, and actually both my warden an templar agreed it's better to give my heal-buff to the defiler.</p><p>However I do agree the warden should stil heal when needed, and that is what my warden does, however how often this is needed isn't that much, but often is when mobs has good debuffs/nasty hits and aoe hits, but again aoe-healings adds alot to a healparse.</p>

[Thesidius]

<p>I usually give it to the more power efficient healer if it's gonna be a long fight. Or if it's a preward situation I'll give it to the cleric as a taunt resist usually means the shaman is going to get munched on pretty hard. 15% bigger ward equales more hate. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Also if there's alot of AOE's going off I'll give it to the druid as they can fill the group faster.</p>

[Arech Sallazar]

<p>If you talking about in mt grp, i put it on warden then filer then temp. </p><p>Reason why is yes wards are before regens, but if it suddenly goes bad and tank is getting munched (or is a hard encounter for tank dmg), the extra 15% on wards is nothing compared to the healing from +15% to a wardens regen.</p><p> MT warden loves it, with claymore proc and coercive healing, can crit for 1.2k every 2 secs. Add grp and single regen together and you talking hefty numbers :o</p><p>If filer/temp can handle the healing between them (i.e. trash or easy named) then yea cud stick on filer, but if wards/reactives can handle it anyway, not like it hurts sticking it on warden in case something does go wrong. </p>

[Blumfield]

<p>If all three healers in MT group are equally competent, I'm going to apply it to shaman/druid/cleric.  If I apply it to a shaman, I also apply the deaggro buff.  As stated, those wards can generate massive aggro--I don't care what anyone says to the contrary.  </p><p>However, in most cases, if I know one healer is significantly more skilled than the others, it goes on him--regardless of class.  That's the healer who's going to make best use of it, so he's getting it, even if the numbers would seem to indicate someone else should have it.</p>

[Raidi Sovin'faile]

<p>If in a heroic group, you put it on the Healer that is doing the most work. So whoever is busting their butt to keep everyone alive, you want to put it on them.</p><p>In a raid you put it on the Shaman. And here's why:</p><p>99% of the time, the MT won't die from overwhelming damage, in other words he won't die because the "healers couldn't keep up". Even with only 4 healers on a raid, you'd have plenty of healing to keep the MT in a forward momentum of healing against most encounters... and most raids I've been on have 5-6 healers, many of them below 5% on the heal parse because of it.</p><p>No, the MT dies in legitimate situations (not counting people error, such as afk or reaction time), due to being taken down nearly instantly from one large hit, or a series of hits that occur within a couple seconds. For this reason we have MT's and MT groups judged by Mitigation numbers, and higher health pools on the MT.</p><p>Having the WARD pumped up by another 15% means you increase the amount the MT can handle within that short span of time. This DIRECTLY impacts how well we can handle hard encounters because it's the instant deaths that make a fail, not a slow decline of doom.</p><p>Of course, mana running out is the other 1% of the time, for those long or power draining encounters... that's when you'll see heals lagging behind. But that's rare, and I've seen MT's go down and raids wipe on stupid "should be easy" named because he was blown away in a couple seconds due to a bad Debilitate and mega hit combo.</p><p>This is why our stuns and cc, while brief, can still be helpful as well, since they break up the mob's momentum and give the healers a chance to cure and catch up. Even a few seconds every once in a while, especially when you see the trauma tag go up, will help greatly.</p><p>In a raid, the extra reactive and higher regen will rarely come into play already, due to wards... and on top of that it only helps in a marginally useful situation.</p><p>Wards = I Win</p>