Betrayal in GU32 means no new Race? [Archive]

gm9

02-14-2007, 03:43 PM

*pours water on the rumour mill* The rumour came up when the game at one point was visibly exposing via the /who command and window that there were provisions for dark and light fae, the dark being called Arsai. While the accidental exposure via /who was removed, at least the character creation windo w lists dark and light fae to this day (but only light fae are actually shown, you'll have to look at the source code to see it). And in the House of Commons dev chat from last December (<a href="http://eq2.stratics.com/content/hoclog/hoclog9.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">linky</a>) they basically admitted that the Arsai would go in, but not when: <blockquote>Preston - *IS|kushinagi* Now that we have Faye on Good, any hints on what will be our next evil race? Lyndro - Yes. You’ve already seen it... at least some of it... And I bet if you opened up the channel about 50 people would guess and 49 would be right. Owlchick - I know they'll be evil! Lyndro - Bitter evil! ... Preston - *Xietsu* Another thing, many have been speaking of another potential Freeport race, and was wondering if the adoption of one would happen, or whether we would just be able to betray Fae to Freeport. Lyndro - One of the things we've been trying to hammer home is that Good != Qeynos and Evil != Freeport. So a new evil race doesn't have to mean a new race to Freeport... Of course there are no other evil cities... hmm... interesting... ... Preston - *Anon2364* I have seen the race "Arsai" while searching races in the community window. What might this be? Lyndro - It "might be" a lot of things... right now it IS a bug <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>

Ishnar

02-14-2007, 04:50 PM

<cite>Palleon wrote:</cite><blockquote>There was much talk and hints in Dev chats a while back that when Fae Betrayal came in there would be a new "evil" race (ok, they said not evil, or good, but "other" race). With betrayal now finally coming, does this means you have dropped this idea now? And was the fabled new race that was left in the "Race /who select list" just some sort of very unlikely misprint?</blockquote> If a new evil race comes out, it will be when a new evil city comes out. I.e. a new full expansion, not a GU. The only reason the frogloks came out in a GU was because they were promised on release but severly delayed.

Lightstrider

02-15-2007, 02:10 PM

While I would have liked to see a new, unique race become the next evil race, there is enough evidence to suggest that it will, in fact, be the Arsai, and that they are an offshoot of the Fae. The initial "bug" which showed them as a race choice wasn't merely the name--there were color choices, wing choices, etc. for a dark version of the Fae. Having seen both a new race name and all that artwork, even if it was only up for a day, there are only so many conclusions you can draw:1. The Arsai are coming, and they will be evil Fae. When a Fae betrays, it will change form and become an Arsai (this, by the way, would help explain why Fae betrayal has taken so long to put in--when you complete the transformation from good to evil, you will probably be quickly taken to a character creation screen to immediately choose your new appearance, which is unlike any other race when they betray). The artwork was accidentally revealed at launch, then quickly removed by SOE to cover it up.2. Same conclusion as #1, except that the artwork was briefly revealed ON PURPOSE to get us all talking and speculating about it.3. The Arsai are not coming. SOE went to all the trouble of making all the artwork (different wing patterns, different colorations, names for each of the new patterns, etc.--a lot of work) and coding for the race, then briefly revealed it all as a red herring to throw us off the scent of the actual race coming in later.It seems pretty clear to me that #3 is ludicrous, unless they have way too much time on their hands at SOE, so it has to be #1 or #2. Pragmatically, there is no difference to me which it is, because both ways have the same result: the Arsai. Now if I only had more character slots, I might actually be able to play one. Sigh. (No, I don't have the money for a second subscription, and no, I don't have the hard drive space for playing on European or Test servers, before anyone suggests those options).

Wrapye

02-15-2007, 02:46 PM

<cite>Lightstrider wrote:</cite><blockquote>While I would have liked to see a new, unique race become the next evil race, there is enough evidence to suggest that it will, in fact, be the Arsai, and that they are an offshoot of the Fae. The initial "bug" which showed them as a race choice wasn't merely the name--there were color choices, wing choices, etc. for a dark version of the Fae. Having seen both a new race name and all that artwork, even if it was only up for a day, there are only so many conclusions you can draw:1. The Arsai are coming, and they will be evil Fae. When a Fae betrays, it will change form and become an Arsai (this, by the way, would help explain why Fae betrayal has taken so long to put in--when you complete the transformation from good to evil, you will probably be quickly taken to a character creation screen to immediately choose your new appearance, which is unlike any other race when they betray). The artwork was accidentally revealed at launch, then quickly removed by SOE to cover it up.2. Same conclusion as #1, except that the artwork was briefly revealed ON PURPOSE to get us all talking and speculating about it.3. The Arsai are not coming. SOE went to all the trouble of making all the artwork (different wing patterns, different colorations, names for each of the new patterns, etc.--a lot of work) and coding for the race, then briefly revealed it all as a red herring to throw us off the scent of the actual race coming in later.It seems pretty clear to me that #3 is ludicrous, unless they have way too much time on their hands at SOE, so it has to be #1 or #2. Pragmatically, there is no difference to me which it is, because both ways have the same result: the Arsai. Now if I only had more character slots, I might actually be able to play one. Sigh. (No, I don't have the money for a second subscription, and no, I don't have the hard drive space for playing on European or Test servers, before anyone suggests those options).</blockquote>4. Same as #3, except that instead of it being revealed as a red herring, it was revealed as a bug, then scrapped entirely some time afterwards. That, in my mind, is entirely possible.

Freliant

02-15-2007, 04:39 PM

During one of the resets, I was able to get Arasi as one of the races that I could create. Not as the button, but as a random selection. I cancelled char creation and then clicked on new character a few times, and eventually, Arasi showed up. when I gave it a name and attempted to add it to the server, the game kicked me out. I did not make note of the Lore (I probably should have), but I am eye witness that they DID program the new race. My best guess is: There is currently no lore backing the Evil Fae, and until they have all that squared away, as well as where they will start, and the rest of the fluff that goes on with a new race, we will not see it implemented. Will there be a new race: Definately. But as to when, its up to the Development team.**This is besides the point, but I sometimes wish that EQ2 got all the funding that WoW got. This Development team deserves alot for the great game they have designed. Then I remember that we have the mature community we have today because the immature bunch got stuck in WoW. Not dissing everyone in WoW, just the immature ones <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> **

Badtidings

02-15-2007, 05:08 PM

My prognostication:Fae who betray are just Fae who got tired of living in acorns. They can get a new class as a result of the betrayal, but they will not change race.Arsai will eventually be introduced. But betrayed Fae will not become Arsai. You will simply be able to create a character from a new race.

Lightstrider

02-15-2007, 06:30 PM

I don't know, I hope you are wrong about that. I just don't think we need two winged races--it would be more interesting if they did "transmute" into the other when they betray (sith>jedi, jedi>sith, as it were). Two races that are almost the same...oh wait, they did that with elves. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

shadowscale

02-15-2007, 08:12 PM

has anyone even finnished the betrayal? i cant find the item im suposed to be looking for in the house of falling stars.

Phygnathus

02-15-2007, 09:45 PM

<cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote>has anyone even finnished the betrayal? i cant find the item im suposed to be looking for in the house of falling stars</blockquote>My wife and I are trying to complete it too. Last night we logged when we couldn't find it there. This afternoon I logged in, saw it, gathered it... she logged in and it was no longer there and waited over 2 hours for it to spawn again. Seems like it is bugged. I am now stuck on the next part. I got everything done in the house except for mixing the mushrooms and berries and placing them in the injection barrel. I can find no mushrooms or berries or anything else that I can click. Not in my inventory, not on the floor anywhere, just nowhere...

Radiance

02-16-2007, 06:43 AM

I'm having the same problem with the sphere in the house of falling stars. I've been trying to find it everyday since the quest went to test, but it's never there. The other 3 are very easy to find and if I delete the quest and start again the other 3 are still there but not the one in the house of falling stars.Hopefully this can be fixed soon. Had to reply here as I can't seem to start a new thread on this board.

Phygnathus

02-17-2007, 01:44 PM

I also can't seem to post new threads to this board. The New Thread link shows up on other boards, but not this one. If I could, I would make a new thread for this issue, but since I can't... My wife did a /petition on the situation of the Sul Sphere not spawning, but got the reply that it was working as intended. They REALLY need to investigate this further, though. She has sat for hours at a time staring at the location I got mine at, and has run around and around the House of Falling Stars. We've run into at least 2 other people on the test server that have also been looking for this for DAYS now. I really hope someone will look closer at this before it goes live because it is NOT working. I've submitted a /bug, my wife has /petitioned. I am beginning to feel like the issue is being ignored. I also still haven't been able to get my final click for mixing the mushrooms and berries and placing them in the injection barrel. I haven't tried yet today, though. Edit: Got my portion done. In case anyone else has problems with that part, the clicky was a bowl on one of the tables that I somehow missed. I guess I looked everywhere but there. My wife did finally get a response to her petition saying that they found the problem, so hopefully it will be fixed soon. At least now I know they do know it is bugged. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

DrkVsr

02-18-2007, 03:39 AM

Can't remember where, but ah read that the Arsai are not going to be simply evil Fae, but made of evil energy, sort of like Wisps with appendages or one of those high level pets

ironman2000

02-18-2007, 04:04 AM

Did anyone else do the Inny quest lines? You have to harvest "UNBORN" Fae for Inny. What the heck do you think hes going to do with the unborn Fae? stick em in a corner and leave them there? No of course not, hes going to twist them and dement them until they are creatures of darkness and hate, Arsai are born, and there ya go.

Lord Montague

02-18-2007, 05:45 PM

Like everything else I've seen on Arsai, I'll believe it when I see it with my own two eyes. Speculation is all well and good, but that's about all it is. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

DrkVsr

02-19-2007, 05:57 AM

What Inny is getting you to do makes sense, specially if it turns out those harvested unborn Fae (forget their real name, but used to see one of them in a perpetual fight with one of the guards at the Granite Lift <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) will end up as Arsai, because that is what he did with Tunare's original Children creating the Dark Elves

grymmstone

02-19-2007, 01:57 PM

<cite>Ishnar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Palleon wrote:</cite><blockquote>There was much talk and hints in Dev chats a while back that when Fae Betrayal came in there would be a new "evil" race (ok, they said not evil, or good, but "other" race). With betrayal now finally coming, does this means you have dropped this idea now? And was the fabled new race that was left in the "Race /who select list" just some sort of very unlikely misprint?</blockquote> If a new evil race comes out, it will be when a new evil city comes out. I.e. a new full expansion, not a GU. The only reason the frogloks came out in a GU was because they were promised on release but severly delayed. </blockquote>Froglokks were only severly delayed, because no one was able to complete the quest to unlock them. They were released as part of the whole world event "Unlocking the Froglokk secret."

ChildofHate

02-19-2007, 02:05 PM

What basic logic would be used to explain how betraying all of a sudden make you "become a new race"? If you play a high elf and betray, you don't all of a sudden become a dark elf. Why would that simple concept change for the Fae? Betraying directly affects your faction and allegiance. It doesn't "transmogrify" your physical being into something completely new... There is no mystical, magical, traumatic (or whatever other melodramatic adjective that can be applied) occurence that takes place when you betray which would cause some genetic level change. You basically get your [Removed for Content] beat and thrown out of your city. Aside from maybe a permanent black eye, there is no change in who you are physically.

valkyrja

02-19-2007, 03:25 PM

<cite>ChildofHate wrote:</cite><blockquote>What basic logic would be used to explain how betraying all of a sudden make you "become a new race"? If you play a high elf and betray, you don't all of a sudden become a dark elf. Why would that simple concept change for the Fae? Betraying directly affects your faction and allegiance. It doesn't "transmogrify" your physical being into something completely new... There is no mystical, magical, traumatic (or whatever other melodramatic adjective that can be applied) occurence that takes place when you betray which would cause some genetic level change. You basically get your [Removed for Content] beat and thrown out of your city. Aside from maybe a permanent black eye, there is no change in who you are physically.</blockquote>I believe the thought was that Fae aren't a "real" race, they are more of a magical creation.

ChildofHate

02-19-2007, 04:57 PM

valkyrja wrote: <blockquote>I believe the thought was that Fae aren't a "real" race, they are more of a magical creation. </blockquote> Man if only that were true... /starts mass casting of Dispel Magic... DIE YOU BUGS DIE DIE DIE !!! /dispell /dispell /dispell DIE!!!/sigh... alas... if only... brings a single tear of joy to my eye and to a moment of happiness this inky heart just thinking about it though.

Martrae

02-19-2007, 06:15 PM

Well, I remember during EoF Beta someone complaining about the wing designs for the Fae and how they weren't good for betrayal and a dev responded with something like "We deliberately did not use darker more evil patterns for the Fae" which lead everyone to speculate meant they were reserving those for an evil Fae-type race.

Winter

02-19-2007, 11:19 PM

I'm not sure if I am breaking any sort of NDA detail here (if I am PLEASE just delete this post, I apologize)but... in very early EoF beta, you could pick Arsai voices 1 and 2 for the Fae. The voices were darker and the emotes were comprised of bizarre, wicked sounds and snarky one liners.Even with that, all one can do is speculate. Arsai will be announced when they are announced - and then and only then will we know exactly what they are and what their story is. There have been a lot of little programming accidents, etc, along the way that truly do give way to... wilder speculation.The Fae themselves are not going to change for betrayal - that's already obvious on test. I'll admit that I'm not immune to speculation - I have my own theories on what Arsai are but I digress.At any rate, I hope this kind of puts the Arsai subject to rest. Just let the devs do what the devs do, give feedback, and enjoy the outcome. Speculation can be a double-edged sword so let's be healthy about it. Do the voices mean that they are planning Arsai? Maybe, maybe not. Plans, directions, and designs change. Will we ever find out what Arsai are? Time will tell.

Boadicca

02-20-2007, 11:12 AM

What if....betraying a Fae to Freeport meant that your bright shiny Fea became an Evil Fea..i.e a new race??

Thoral

02-20-2007, 11:31 AM

The devs personnally told me that the Arsai will be a race of small, blue, elf-like creatures that live in mushroom. Only male characters will be allowed because the race only has one female, which is of course why they are an evil race. They will have dozens of AA trees, but you can only go down one of them, and its a permanent choice. These characters will not have names, only titles based on their AA selection. True!

ChildofHate

02-20-2007, 11:43 AM

<cite>Boadicca wrote:</cite><blockquote>What if....betraying a Fae to Freeport meant that your bright shiny Fea became an Evil Fea..i.e a new race??</blockquote> Allow me to reitterate, "If you play a high elf and betray, you don't all of a sudden become a dark elf." Let me break it down to possibly more simple terms you (and like minded) can understand: If you as a person who leads a life of pure goodness. You attend church every week, titheing 2x as much as is required because you feel that's what's right. You help every homeless person you come across by giving them $1000 and a weeks worth of food to hopefully start over. You shelter lost animals and bake cookies for your neighbors. You call your mother every other night to see how she's doing and you host monthly BBQ's for your family and friends. If anyone were to ever try to redefine the word "good" in the dictionary, your picture would be there with gold embossed foil and smiley faces all around. You would have your very own page, not just an entry. You are loved by all because you give from the bottom of your heart with as much love as humanly possible. Now, say you all of a sudden decide to say SCREW THE WORLD and go on a murderous rampage slaughtering everyone in your path. Some you have maimed, forever crippling them for the rest of their lives. Your parents you force to kill themselves while in each other's arms. You rip the ears off every child you find and make him eat them. You throw kittens off of overpasses onto the highway at rush hour. You have in every possible way become as evil as you were good. You've made a concious choice to be this way. This isn't some drug induced rampage or fit of depression or anything of the like. You have chosen to go against everything you once stood for. You... Are... Evil. Here's my question, did you some how change from (remember this is an example) a caucasian human being to an asian human being? Did you change race? Did altering how you once were change physically from how you were born to some new form? (psst. the correct answer is no... you're still caucasian).Congrats on your new found enlightenment on what it means to change ALIGNMENT. In order to change race, you need the DIRECT intervention of the GODS... not some concious choice of turning your back your goodly society to embrace that of an evil one.

Lightstrider

02-20-2007, 02:20 PM

Based on Winter's feedback above, it would appear that the Arsai are not evil Fae. Much as many, including myself, have speculated about this issue, it looks like Arsai are something else. My thoughts on this are mixed--it would have been an interesting and different approach to the whole betrayal thing, for one thing. I am also concerned that this means the new evil race is just another version of a Fae, if the Arsai are introduced later. I was hoping for something altogether new.But all that aside, there is no reason it couldn't have been done. The reality of Everquest II is whatever the devs design and program it to be. It doesn't need to conform to human or earthly physiology. If the devs had wanted to take us into a Jedi/Sith (wherein Anakin most assuredly had some physiological changes that accompanied his alignment shift) kind of arrangement with the Fae, that would have been their prerogative to do, and it wouldn't have needed to impact the other races in the slightest, if that is the reality they wanted to establish.

Phygnathus

02-20-2007, 02:29 PM

I am one of those who liked the idea of the Fae becoming Arsai on betrayal. There are already hints in the lore that such a transformation could be coming. One of the deity quests for Innoruk has you capturing the spirit bud of an unborn Fae and bringing it to him. And look at all the Fae being experimented upon within the Obelisk of Blight. If you can't see a possible story line that could cause you to become an Arsai on betrayal, you don't have much of an imagination. I can think of a couple possibilities just off the top of my head. Unfortunately, that isn't the case. My wife and I finished the betrayal last night and no such transformation was made, nor was there anything in the betrayal quest that even hinted that it was coming. In fact, once exile, the trip to Freeport was identical to if you had gone exile from Qeynos. I found it a bit disappointing lore wise and was hoping for more.