Faceted Eye (EH loot)

[Frodex]

Ok this isn't a bad item but where are the resists? This is a top tier zone and takes hours to clear but no resists?! Whats up with this SOE? <img src="http://www.crcthree.com/facetedeye.jpg" border="0">

[Zelkova]

The added spell damage seems to have a very high value when it comes to itemization. Kinda like health regen...

[Computer MAn]

Some resists would be nice I agree but considering resists are rather useless on many fights its not an item breaking flaw. And like was posted above it seems we went from the expansion of useless Flowing Thought and Health Regen to useless +spell damage / heal expansion. 

[Ranja]

And what the hell is+dps doing on that thing. it is obviously a caster item and I dont see many casters going in there to mix it up melee where the +10 DPS would be useful.

[auk]

<cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote>And what the hell is+dps doing on that thing. it is obviously a caster item and I dont see many casters going in there to mix it up melee where the +10 DPS would be useful. </blockquote>Bards.

[Spite]

<p>Who uses spells and melee's? Lets see Crusaders, Bards, Poisons are spell damage. Too many mages out there see int on an item and assume its only for them.</p>

[quamdar]

<cite>Spite wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Who uses spells and melee's? Lets see Crusaders, Bards, Poisons are spell damage. Too many mages out there see int on an item and assume its only for them.</p></blockquote>"on a successful attack" means that a spell cast can make it proc too not just mellee so that second effect would benefit a caster too.

[PaganSaint]

Bard and Crusader item by all appearances, but it is kind of lame there is no resists.

[wckron]

<cite>quamdar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Spite wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Who uses spells and melee's? Lets see Crusaders, Bards, Poisons are spell damage. Too many mages out there see int on an item and assume its only for them.</p></blockquote>"on a successful attack" means that a spell cast can make it proc too not just mellee so that second effect would benefit a caster too. </blockquote>I cant think of a mage that would benefit from a DPS increase, unless they run into a mob an melee, you dont see that everyday do ya? And "on a successful attack" usually means a melee attack.

[SinIsLaw]

A sweet item!!! I think if you would add + vs resist you would put the itme close to the edge of beeing two powerfull. Since we are talking about 2 procs here ... If one would loose one proc then sure, it would be to weak for EH without the resist  ... For sure best suited on a crusder/bard

[wckron]

Pfft........ Frodex is just a [Removed for Content] frog that wanna brag about the ww disco on it

[Choombatta]

<p>There are 3 types of "on attack" types.</p><p>On a successful melee attack.</p><p>On a successful spell attack.</p><p>On a successful attack.</p><p>The last one works for melee and spell damage ala Scepter of the Doomsworn.</p>

[Frodex]

<cite>wckronus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pfft........ Frodex is just a [Removed for Content] frog that wanna brag about the ww disco on it </blockquote> Yes and no... I wanted to get the opinion on lack of resists honestly it should be like 400 to all or maybe 800s to 3 types.

[Sosum]

<cite>Spite wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Who uses spells and melee's? Lets see Crusaders, Bards, Poisons are spell damage. Too many mages out there see int on an item and assume its only for them.</p></blockquote> you say that like its a bad thing

[Dogm]

<cite>Choombatta wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are 3 types of "on attack" types.</p><p>On a successful melee attack.</p><p>On a successful spell attack.</p><p>On a successful attack.</p><p>The last one works for melee and spell damage ala Scepter of the Doomsworn.</p></blockquote>Wrong.    On successful spell atack, and  On successful hostile spell  work on spells.    On successful attack = melee or ranged.

[Choombatta]

<cite>Dogmae wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Choombatta wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are 3 types of "on attack" types.</p><p>On a successful melee attack.</p><p>On a successful spell attack.</p><p>On a successful attack.</p><p>The last one works for melee and spell damage ala Scepter of the Doomsworn.</p></blockquote>Wrong.    On successful spell atack, and  On successful hostile spell  work on spells.    On successful attack = melee or ranged. </blockquote><p>Scepter of the Doomsworn ( which states it procs on a successful attack ) is procing off both melee and spell attacks.</p><p>What item are you seeing that states it procs off a successful attack but is not procing from anything but melee and ranged ( i.e. Bows or thrown items only)? </p>

[wckron]

<cite>Choombatta wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dogmae wrote:</cite><blockquote>Choombatta wrote: </blockquote><p>Scepter of the Doomsworn ( which states it procs on a successful attack ) is procing off both melee and spell attacks.</p><p>What item are you seeing that states it procs off a successful attack but is not procing from anything but melee and ranged ( i.e. Bows or thrown items only)? </p></blockquote>So your saying that if I get myself a Chel'Drak Shard, which said that it'll proc "On a successful attack" and use it as a mage, it'll proc when I cast? How many mages that you see walking around with a weapon proc that say "on a successful attack" ?

[Choombatta]

<cite>wckronus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Choombatta wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dogmae wrote:</cite><blockquote>Choombatta wrote: </blockquote><p>Scepter of the Doomsworn ( which states it procs on a successful attack ) is procing off both melee and spell attacks.</p><p>What item are you seeing that states it procs off a successful attack but is not procing from anything but melee and ranged ( i.e. Bows or thrown items only)? </p></blockquote>So your saying that if I get myself a Chel'Drak Shard, which said that it'll proc "On a successful attack" and use it as a mage, it'll proc when I cast? How many mages that you see walking around with a weapon proc that say "on a successful attack" ? </blockquote><p> Can't say as I do not have a Chel'Drak shard to test with.Scepter of the Doomsworn I can and have tested, and it does indeed proc off both melee and spell attacks. Templars cannot use a ranged weapon to test that portion.</p><p>Now, is it a bug? Possibly.</p><p>Although another item not procing off either could be the bug too.</p>

[DobyMT]

<cite>Frodex wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok this isn't a bad item but where are the resists? This is a top tier zone and takes hours to clear but no resists?! Whats up with this SOE? <img src="http://www.crcthree.com/facetedeye.jpg" border="0"> </blockquote><p> If people  don't see this as a Bard item they are crazy.  And resists would be nice, but let's seriously consider SoE itemization for a minute.  Adept 1s still drop in raid zones and crazy high end zones (see: Nizara).  Treasured garbage drops in raid zones and high end heroic content.  Then again, you could get the best plate item in the game for a while in a zone that is easily Duo or Trioed.  </p><p>You just have to really accept that most of the time, the devs appear to not even know what game they are developing, let alone what zone or mob is dropping said item.</p>

[wckron]

Im pretty sure that "on a successful attack" wil only proc on melee/ranged, if not then you got some uber weapon that no one else has.

[Choombatta]

<cite>wckronus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Im pretty sure that "on a successful attack" wil only proc on melee/ranged, if not then you got some uber weapon that no one else has. </blockquote><p> Test it on Scepter of the Doomsworn to see for yourself.</p><p>"pretty sure" probably means you have not tested it.</p><p>Again, it may be a bug with the Scepter ( only item with "on a successful attack" I have tested), or it may be a bug with an item ( that anyone has yet to say they have tested ) that is not proccing on spell attacks.</p><p>I will get a log this weekend of the Scepter of the Doomsworn effect proccing off a spell attack.</p><p>If someone can provide a good test of a similar item not proccing on spell attacks, then we will know for sure one or the other is a bug.</p><p>Until then, "pretty sure" is just speculation.</p>

[wckron]

Get ur guild wizard, buy an Adornment that have "On a successful attack" proc, aug the weapon, have him or her sit there and cast for a few minutes to see if it proc.

[Choombatta]

<cite>wckronus wrote:</cite><blockquote>Get ur guild wizard, buy an Adornment that have "On a successful attack" proc, aug the weapon, have him or her sit there and cast for a few minutes to see if it proc. </blockquote><p> Which adornment would that be?</p><p>More then willing to test it out to see.</p>

[wckron]

Just go buy a Pristined Imbued Idium Dirk, and tell a wizard to sit there and cast all day

[Aeralik]

The dps proc on that earring will trigger off of spells.  Three triggers use that same wording.  2 of them are melee based the third is any form of hostile attack including spells.  I'll see if I can't clarify the text a bit for the "any" case so its a bit more obvious that it will proc off spells.

[wckron]

The problem is that it doesnt always work like that, I've tested alot of "On a successful attack" and never once it proc off a spell cast. Like that weapon above, the description is "On a successful attack" but never once did it proc off a spell. So if you could narrow it down, because "On a successful attack" proc doesn't always include spell attack. Also, I've tried buying a dmg proc adornment with the description "On a successful attack" and used it on my weapon, and that also didn't work.

[daray]

<cite>Aeralik wrote:</cite><blockquote>The dps proc on that earring will trigger off of spells.  Three triggers use that same wording.  2 of them are melee based the third is any form of hostile attack including spells.  I'll see if I can't clarify the text a bit for the "any" case so its a bit more obvious that it will proc off spells. </blockquote>The vast majority of procs on items that claim to trigger on a "successful attack" do not trigger off spell attacks. To test this statement out, you need only buy a transmuter-made weapon adornment (e.g. Molten Binding) and adorn it to a junk item - testing is that simple.

[Aeralik]

<cite>daray wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aeralik wrote:</cite><blockquote>The dps proc on that earring will trigger off of spells.  Three triggers use that same wording.  2 of them are melee based the third is any form of hostile attack including spells.  I'll see if I can't clarify the text a bit for the "any" case so its a bit more obvious that it will proc off spells. </blockquote>The vast majority of procs on items that claim to trigger on a "successful attack" do not trigger off spell attacks. To test this statement out, you need only buy a transmuter-made weapon adornment (e.g. Molten Binding) and adorn it to a junk item - testing is that simple.</blockquote>Like I said there are 3 triggers which use that text <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  2 of them trigger off melee attacks of which 1 is by far the most common and used on a lot of items.  The one that will trigger from spells is not used very often.  That is why the text needs some minor clarification so you guys know when looking at the earring that melee attacks or spells will trigger it.

[daray]

<cite>Aeralik wrote:</cite><blockquote>That is why the text needs some minor clarification so you guys know when looking at the earring that melee attacks or spells will trigger it. </blockquote>Clarification would be very nice if it is done on all items like this earring that are ambiguously described. Thanks for the response btw <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[wckron]

Well there's a lot of items that need to be fixing then, because we dont know which will proc on spells and which one will not with that same description, and you really dont expect us to test every single items out right?

[Dejah]

<cite>Aeralik wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>daray wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aeralik wrote:</cite><blockquote>The dps proc on that earring will trigger off of spells.  Three triggers use that same wording.  2 of them are melee based the third is any form of hostile attack including spells.  I'll see if I can't clarify the text a bit for the "any" case so its a bit more obvious that it will proc off spells. </blockquote>The vast majority of procs on items that claim to trigger on a "successful attack" do not trigger off spell attacks. To test this statement out, you need only buy a transmuter-made weapon adornment (e.g. Molten Binding) and adorn it to a junk item - testing is that simple.</blockquote>Like I said there are 3 triggers which use that text <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  2 of them trigger off melee attacks of which 1 is by far the most common and used on a lot of items.  The one that will trigger from spells is not used very often.  That is why the text needs some minor clarification so you guys know when looking at the earring that melee attacks or spells will trigger it. </blockquote> I think we need another post clarifying the clarification so that we can clarify that the clarification that you are clarifying is clarified.

[Petgroup]

Either this post will get deleted or there will be 100's of items getting changed. I for one can't believe what was just said.

[wckron]

I will be very disappointed if they delete this post just to avoid answering the subject that has been brought up, not that it matter anyway, I got my point made out to SoE.

[TwistedFaith]

Can a developer tell me why 'on a succesful melee attack' is used so much, when that totally screws over rangers, who spend the majority of their time using the bow.

[Frodex]

<cite>wckronus wrote:</cite><blockquote>I will be very disappointed if they delete this post just to avoid answering the subject that has been brought up, not that it matter anyway, I got my point made out to SoE. </blockquote> Kron you goober you derailed my original thread! I want to know about the resists <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Calain80]

How about the wording 'hostile action'? Then it would be clear, that it can be a spell or an "attack".

[wckron]

<cite>Frodex wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wckronus wrote:</cite><blockquote>I will be very disappointed if they delete this post just to avoid answering the subject that has been brought up, not that it matter anyway, I got my point made out to SoE. </blockquote> Kron you goober you derailed my original thread! I want to know about the resists <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Screw your resist, I want my internship at SoE for finding their major f-up and getting the coder to answer a serious subject with some lame repetitive answer, I would've liked it better if Grimwell had answer this since he usually gives a more reasonable answer.

[Frodex]

<cite>wckronus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Frodex wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wckronus wrote:</cite><blockquote>I will be very disappointed if they delete this post just to avoid answering the subject that has been brought up, not that it matter anyway, I got my point made out to SoE. </blockquote> Kron you goober you derailed my original thread! I want to know about the resists <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Screw your resist, I want my internship at SoE for finding their major f-up and getting the coder to answer a serious subject with some lame repetitive answer, I would've liked it better if Grimwell had answer this since he usually gives a more reasonable answer. </blockquote> SOE doesn't hire immigrants BOOM!

[Vormulac]

haha pwned

[wckron]

Yay! <span style="color: #ff3300"><b>On any successful attack </b></span> <span style="color: #ff3300"><span style="color: #ffff33">(Recent change by Aeralik based on feedback)</span> Any melee attack, ranged attack, damage-based combat arts, damage-based spells <b> On a successful attack </b> Any melee attack, ranged attack, damage-based combat art <b> On a successful melee attack </b> Any melee attack <b>On a successful ranged attack </b> ranged attack, ranged combat arts <b>When target uses a combat art </b> Target uses a combat art. <b>When target casts a spell </b> Any spells <b>When target casts a beneficial spell </b> Any non hostile spell <b>When target casts a healing spell </b> Any healing spell <b>On a successful hostile spell </b> Any non-beneficial type spells <b>When target surpasses X% health </b> Health is > % specified <b>When target falls below X% health </b> Health is < % specified <b>On a successful spell attack </b> Any damage-based spells <b>When target dies </b> You got pwned <b>When target is healed </b> Any healing spell applied <b>When target strikes a death blow </b> Your target got pwned <b>When target blocks </b> Your target blocks you <b>When target deflects </b> Your target deflects <b>When target dodges </b> Your target dodges <b>When target parries </b> Your target parries <b>When target ripostes </b> Your target ripostes <b>On a successful riposte </b> You riposte <b>On a successful block </b> You block <b>On a successful deflection </b> You deflect <b>On a successful parry </b> You parry <b>When target is damaged in combat </b> You take any melee damage <b>When target is damaged </b> You take any damage <b>When target is damaged with a ranged weapon </b> You take ranged damage <b>When target is damaged with a spell </b> You take spell damage </span> <span style="color: #ff3300"> __________________ Chris Junior Designer, EQ2 </span><span style="color: #ffffff"><img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span><img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><span style="color: #ffffff"> Thank you very much</span><span style="color: #ff3300"> </span>