Whole instance uncharmable - That's going too far!

[Soldancer]

I just noticed that since LU31 nearly all mobs in Valdoon are uncharmable, probably more in other instances (edit: mobs in nek3 are uncharmable too).I can accept it that ringevent mobs were made uncharmable (inspite of the fact that there are better ways to prevent disturbing gameplay of others) but that whole instances are now uncharmable is going too far!Why, SOE, why? When in instances it's impossible to disturbing gameplay of others. This is the same like to say the tanks "It's not allowd to use taunts in instances" or to say scouts "It's not allowed to use stealth attacks in instances".This step degrades charm to a funspell and simply destroy coercer class. Why should someone play a coercer if he can't use his core abilty? (Necros are affected too)SOE, we coercers are few, the at least played class. Why make You so hard restrictions to us? If You don't like coercers why just not convert all coercers to Illus and remove coercer class from the game?Just ago I decided not to change to Vanguard because crowd control is gimped there. But now when I must see that EQ2 follows the same route I should reconsider my decision. If I'm here the same [Removed for Content] as in VG but VG is new then why not change?I'm so disappointed about this stupid change - I loved to play my coercer but now it's pointless.<p>Message Edited by Soldancer on <span class=date_text>02-01-2007</span> <span class=time_text>04:04 PM</span><p>Message Edited by Soldancer on <span class=date_text>02-01-2007</span> <span class=time_text>04:06 PM</span>

[Banditman]

If you really wanna be an Illusionist you can just betray.Only time I ever see a Coercer charming is when they are solo'ing . . . are you complaining that you can no longer solo group instances?<div></div>

[Quda]

<P>I can understand his frustrations, charming is the basis of the corcerer class, yes, they can do other things, but charm is their biggest point as being a corcerer.  It is like saying a healer can no longer heal, sure they can mellee and do damage, they heal.</P> <P>And for those that think there is nothing wrong with not being able to charm, it is how they want to play.  Either instance, group, solo, quest, indoors, outdoors, if they are able to charm, and they want to charm, then they should be allowed to charm almost all mobs.</P>

[Roriondesexiest]

<DIV>I would hope that this is unintended.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Having whole zones of uncharmable mobs is ridiculous, not that the pets in there were even really worth keeping for more than one fight but still they should be charmable.</DIV>

[Zendi_Perma]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Banditman wrote:<BR>If you really wanna be an Illusionist you can just betray.<BR><BR>Only time I ever see a Coercer charming is when they are solo'ing . . . are you complaining that you can no longer solo group instances?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>There are zones where having a charmed pet is way better than using the concentration slots on other group members (e.g. HoF).     Alternatively, if you are in a group with very few melee dps a pet is a nice dps addition.      Nizara is another zone where a pet is key.      This is probably a bug anyway.</P>

[Windowlicker]

This is kinda like a Warlock complaining that an instance has too many solo mobs, or that the instance has no encounters.

[missing_peace]

<P>This issue affects troubadors, too.  Troubadors only have a short, in-combat charm, but this change limits troubador utility and DPS in these zones.</P> <P>Only named should be immune to charm.</P>

[Soldancer]

-<p>Message Edited by Soldancer on <span class=date_text>02-02-2007</span> <span class=time_text>06:19 PM</span>

[Lyndro-EQ2]

This is a bug.  We'll get it fixed asap.<div></div>

[EQ2Playa432]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lyndro-EQ2 wrote:This is a bug.  We'll get it fixed asap.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Good news</div>

[electricninjasex]

Whew.<div></div>

[Sonorod]

<DIV>I noticed that Vaults in BS is mostly uncharmable as are the guards outside of it.  I didn't really understand why and kind of took the fun out of the zone.</DIV>

[Mausie]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lyndro-EQ2 wrote:This is a bug.  We'll get it fixed asap.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Thank you very much for the update.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[Mr. Dawki]

<DIV>i like how people flamed the OP for a valid bug and then disappear once a dev says something</DIV>

[EQ2Playa432]

<div><blockquote><hr>Mr. Dawkins wrote:<div>i like how people flamed the OP for a valid bug and then disappear once a dev says something</div><hr></blockquote>/Shrug I don't see any flames.....just one wise remark</div>

[ThrashVTX]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Soldancer wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <FONT color=#ff0000>Soldancer wrote:<BR></FONT><FONT color=#ff0000>ThrashVTX wrote:<BR>"Only time I ever see a Coercer charming is when they are solo'ing . . . are you complaining that you can no longer solo group instances?"<BR><BR></FONT>I often use charm when playing in group and mostly I do not use the pet only for addiotional dps. My group members are often surprised what tricky tactics are possible with charm. That You have seen only solo coercers charming pets means only that You never have met skilled coercers.<BR><BR>Anyway, Nek3 is affected too, all mobs in Nek3 are uncharmable! I guess it's the same with Obi/Aca what I can't test atm (timer). This thread from the coercer forum mentioned overland mobs that are affected too:<BR>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=27&message.id=17870<BR><BR>There was absolut nothing mentioned in update notes about this drastical change, they told only that ring-event mobs are affected - current new devs had not the courage to say this and behave like bulldozers.<BR><BR>This time they ruined the coercer class - next time it's Your class!<BR><BR>I wanted to stay in EQ2 and not go to Vanguard but after this nasty and devious change I go. <P>Message Edited by Soldancer on <SPAN class=date_text>02-01-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:03 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>"Only time I ever see a Coercer charming is when they are solo'ing . . . are you complaining that you can no longer solo group instances?"<BR><BR>I often use charm when playing in group and mostly I do not use the pet only for addiotional dps. My group members are often surprised what tricky tactics are possible with charm. That You have seen only solo coercers charming pets means only that You never have met skilled coercers.<BR><BR>Anyway, Nek3 is affected too, all mobs in Nek3 are uncharmable! I guess it's the same with Obi/Aca what I can't test atm (timer). This thread from the coercer forum mentioned overland mobs that are affected too:<BR>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=27&message.id=17870<BR><BR>There was absolut nothing mentioned in update notes about this drastical change, they told only that ring-event mobs are affected - current new devs had not the courage to say this and behave like bulldozers.<BR><BR>This time they ruined the coercer class - next time it's Your class!<BR><BR>I wanted to stay in EQ2 and not go to Vanguard but after this nasty and devious change I go. <P>Message Edited by Soldancer on <SPAN class=date_text>02-01-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>04:03 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I Never EVER anywhere posted the text in red you attribute to me, could this be an error when quoting?</P> <P> </P> <P>-Valeq</P>

[Norrsken]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Windowlicker wrote:<BR> This is kinda like a Warlock complaining that an instance has too many solo mobs, or that the instance has no encounters.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>IT is in no way like that.</P> <P>If warlocks could ONLY use theor encounter nukes on encounters of 2 or more mobs, then it would be accurate.</P>

[Kardg]

Regardless of any nuances with similarity this is a class breaking bug and should be hotfixed as soon as possible. Coercers Charm its a primary ability, every overland zone and instance should have some available stock of charmable mobs within the zones. I was sad to see it didn't recieve any attention until now despite my efforts to bug it immediately after I noticed it upon patching, creating a post in the Gameplay Forums, Class Forums and PM'd a Dev on the first day of release. However its only been one day since an offical recognition, two days after release. My hope remains that it will be a top priority even if listening was not.

[Lleinen]

while your at it make charm uncureable for pets =p

[Soldancer]

@ThrashVTXI mixed up Your name with Banditman while I was upset, sorry.I'm glad to see that things will be corrected <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />