Freethinkers second named

[Mr. Dawki]

<DIV>NO im not griping or whining</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>as many of the strats in this forum state, one of they easiest ways to be sure this named does not pop an add is to bounce agro around.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>easy no?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>well depending on how well your dps is set up for agro</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>for us it was either me, or the guard that i was ditching hate to were the only ones to have agro, until a necro or wizzy used their aa burns</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>after pulling this mob at least 7 times and dying ( yeah it was bad ) our wizzy Gelidpyre , had a stroke of genius.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>he being the max level tinker he is, happened to have a , behavior modifier (whatever) thingy on him</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>its essentially a pocket memwipe that can be used once every 2 seconds. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>so whenever the named would not look away from someone for more than 5 seconds BOOM, memwipe and problem solved, although being that he was a wizzy, and the item has a chance to cast agro instead of memwipe, he died at least twice in the fight, yet we had no epic adds! Maybe if the tinker was a plate or chain wearer it would go smother</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>as for the healer adds (preservers i think) we ha d a tank and an assassin standing ready near their spawn spot for when they popped ready to grab them so they would not run and heal the named</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>we pulled the named as far away form their spawn point as possible</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>but anyway, tinkering saved this raid, go gnomish engineering!</DIV>

[Zelkova]

Interesting strat, didn't even know the item worked that way... but we just burn it, way easier than whatever the crap you're doing. I like that there's multiple effective ways to deal with this mob though, kinda reminds me of Mutagenic Outcast and allows for more than just a DPSfest.And before someone else says it (sarcasm inc):  If you can't beat this with your main tank, off tank, main tank healers, and all your DPS permastunned and both hands tied behind your back while blindfolded you're a scrub in a scrub guild and this needs fixed nerf it fast cause I'm an elitist [Removed for Content] and EoF is too easy!!! <span>:smileymad:</span> /angrypants <span>:smileymad:</span><span></span><div></div>

[Rampagious]

<DIV>No one at all cares.</DIV>

[Illustrious]

No one at all cares. <P></P> <DIV>Rampagious - Dissolution</DIV> <P> </P> <P></P> <HR> <P> </P> <P>Just because YOU dont care does not mean no one else does.</P> <P> </P> <P>I dont ever expect to use that tactic myself in there, and nor i suspect will many other people. However some people may find it interesting and does not mean you have to come on and write crap on his thread, which adds nothing and just makes u look like a jerk. If you wanna flame go to [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] otherwise dont bother.</P> <P> </P> <P>Oh and If you dont care then why post here at all?</P>

[kenm]

<div></div>Rofl @ wiping 7 times before realizing the most obvious way to trivialize an already fairly easy encounter. <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[LordVic]

<DIV>LOL, hey kemwen i remember you... you're the guy that never found a guild on Oasis cuz you were such a toolface, then you transfered servers, but hey cool glad that worked out. Stop being such [Removed for Content].</DIV>

[Rampagious]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Illustrious wrote: <P>Oh and If you dont care then why post here at all?</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because I love to read about YOYO, THE BIG DOG OF UNRESTS, stupidity.<p>Message Edited by Rampagious on <span class=date_text>01-18-2007</span> <span class=time_text>06:15 AM</span>

[kenm]

kemwen, that's a new one.  And who might you be?<div></div>

[Icemaoh]

whaaaaaaa the encoutner is too hard whaaaa whaaa please make it easier whaaaa whaaaa we found a strat that makes the encounter more digfficult than it  should bee whaa whaaa come on soe make these encounters hard i want these zones to be like emerald halls not able to farm them weekly half asleep and spammin keys like the last 2 expansion  make them a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] challenge<div></div>

[Supernova17]

Wait till they get to Treyloth, that should be interesting <span>:smileyhappy:</span><div></div>

[kavic44]

<DIV>To the OP, one other way to accomplish this is to have an Illusionist use Phase.  It wipes agro of current target and has a pretty short recast.  Or yeah, just use the standard uncreative eq2 tactic of burn burn burn.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>To the others, well.....the quality of your posts stand for themselves.....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>- Myrh</DIV>

[Gungo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Supernova17 wrote:<BR>Wait till they get to Treyloth, that should be interesting <SPAN>:smileyhappy:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Why he is just as  easy as the second named.  Stand here yeah no aoe.

[Tazr]

<DIV>And people wonder why the community of everquest 2 is so [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed up, with posts of this standard, its appaling.  I'm frankly suprised anybody bothers to post with comments like these in the forums, its a real shame.</DIV>

[MeridianR]

<div></div>Must....behave....<div></div><p>Message Edited by MeridianR on <span class=date_text>01-18-2007</span> <span class=time_text>01:47 PM</span>

[Toredorf]

<DIV>Here is my opinion about the  strats that works in this encounter.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Having the tank dying to phrone of corruption aoe = zerg and low.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) Letting the people call out by the named die... so they can get res and continue figthing= Zerg, stupid and low.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) Chain swithing agro at random = Stupid</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4) Burn the hell out of the named keeping everyone alive, off tanking the add, mezzing/killing the healer dudes = Luck (that not all healers and tanks gets stuned)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5) Swithing agro right after the phrone of corruption hit the main tank, mezzing/killing the heals dudes = skills, <EM><U>the strat</U></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><U></U></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><U></U></EM> </DIV> <DIV>As i say it before this is just a opinion, all 5 strat works in killing this named. For me the strat that doesn't depent on luck and is pure skills base is strat 5.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just if you wanders why the chain swithing agro at random worked for you is cause:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>you say you swith every 5 secs</DIV> <DIV>phrone of corruption DD hits every 24 Othis target</DIV> <DIV>so swithing every 5 sec eventually will swith at the 25 or so mark and avoid the adds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in the other hand if you where swithing every 15 sec like one dude posted in the old thread about this named, saying that it don't work, is cause if you swith every 15 sec you will end swithing 5 sec after phonre of corruption and get the adds cause thats to late</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>note: excuse my english cause it sucks</DIV> <DIV> </DIV><p>Message Edited by Toredorf on <span class=date_text>01-18-2007</span> <span class=time_text>10:54 AM</span>

[Zelkova]

<div><blockquote><hr>Toredorf wrote:<div>Here is my opinion about the  strats that works in this encounter.</div> <div> </div> <div>1) Having the tank dying to phrone of corruption aoe = zerg and low.</div> <div> </div> <div>2) Letting the people call out by the named die... so they can get res and continue figthing= Zerg, stupid and low.</div> <div> </div> <div>3) Chain swithing agro at random = Stupid</div> <div> </div> <div>4) Burn the hell out of the named keeping everyone alive, off tanking the add, mezzing/killing the healer dudes = Luck (that not all healers and tanks gets stuned)</div> <div> </div> <div>5) Swithing agro right after the phrone of corruption hit the main tank, mezzing/killing the heals dudes = skills, <em><u>the strat</u></em></div> <div><em><u></u></em> </div> <div><em><u></u></em> </div> <div>As i say it before this is just a opinion, all 5 strat works in killing this named. For me the strat that doesn't depent on luck and is pure skills base is strat 5.</div><hr></blockquote>I think your opinion needs to change. "Zerging" has been nerfed to hell. How is rez effects + 10% power helpful? What made zerging useful before was having a full power bar, period. This has been completely eliminated, unless someone wants to sit around for a few minutes doing absolutely nothing to stay out of combat while their power slowly regens on it's own.At least two of the priest classes have rez lines in their AAs. Why did they add those if not for content designed specifically for people to die in?That being said, I do not feel dying is a "good" strat and certainly don't encourage it. But with the changes to revive mechanics even "zerging" is acceptable IMO, my guild doesn't do it but I won't complain about someone else's doing it. It's their repair bills, afterall. And I COMPLETELY agree with you about #5, it is the most skill intensive strategy, hands down. DPS burning + offtanking is the <b>easiest</b>.</div>

[Jayad]

<DIV>Geez, post another way to do an encounter, and you get flamed.  Awesome.  Can't imagine why people don't enjoy discussing strats.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For guilds that may not have enough dps to just burn the mob, I think it's pretty creative.  *shrug*</DIV>

[Gungo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Toredorf wrote:<BR> <DIV>Here is my opinion about the  strats that works in this encounter.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1) Having the tank dying to phrone of corruption aoe = zerg and low.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2) Letting the people call out by the named die... so they can get res and continue figthing= Zerg, stupid and low.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3) Chain swithing agro at random = Stupid</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4) Burn the hell out of the named keeping everyone alive, off tanking the add, mezzing/killing the healer dudes = Luck (that not all healers and tanks gets stuned)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5) Swithing agro right after the phrone of corruption hit the main tank, mezzing/killing the heals dudes = skills, <EM><U>the strat</U></EM></DIV> <DIV><EM><U></U></EM> </DIV> <DIV><EM><U></U></EM> </DIV> <DIV>As i say it before this is just a opinion, all 5 strat works in killing this named. For me the strat that doesn't depent on luck and is pure skills base is strat 5.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just if you wanders why the chain swithing agro at random worked for you is cause:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>you say you swith every 5 secs</DIV> <DIV>phrone of corruption DD hits every 24 Othis target</DIV> <DIV>so swithing every 5 sec eventually will swith at the 25 or so mark and avoid the adds.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>in the other hand if you where swithing every 15 sec like one dude posted in the old thread about this named, saying that it don't work, is cause if you swith every 15 sec you will end swithing 5 sec after phonre of corruption and get the adds cause thats to late</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>note: excuse my english cause it sucks</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Toredorf on <SPAN class=date_text>01-18-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>10:54 AM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I completely agree toredorf problem is certain guilds think that #4 is the only strat. Mostly becuase those guilds have a superiority complex. Now that said my guild uses the #4 strat simply because it is easier when your guild can produce 16-20k dps w up to 5 people stunned. But not every guild has 2 brigands and runs w 3 fighters tops on most raids and casters/assasins who produce up to 3k dps. So it may not work for every guild. But luck really doesn't matter. because even if your mt or healer in MT group get hit with the stun. A templar in group can cast sanctuary, tank can reinforce/rescue and build alot of agro, healer can put up thier stun heals, etc and just burn the named down before the tank dies. Or they cna cast thier 1 min status stun immunity and just kill it.

[Rampagious]

<DIV>Pretty sure the only reason why any flaming is happening is because the OP is Mr Dawkins</DIV>

[Gungo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Xney wrote:<BR> <DIV>Geez, post another way to do an encounter, and you get flamed.  Awesome.  Can't imagine why people don't enjoy discussing strats.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For guilds that may not have enough dps to just burn the mob, I think it's pretty creative.  *shrug*</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I didn't see any flames. I think he was just saying zerging is not as good as when people had full power. Another thing is i heard the stun now persists through death so lettign people die through stun and rezzing doesn't work anymore.  

[Jayad]

Well fair enough, we just do it the normal way, but more ways can't hurt to be out there. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Mr. Dawki]

<DIV>yes we wiped 7 times, being it was the second time we raided the zone</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>and why the hate, all i was doing is posting how we killed him for people that may want some ideas</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>if your an eletest and you hate people giving out strats. TO BAD!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>haters i tell you</DIV> <DIV>haters</DIV>

[StarryEyedElf]

If all you have to add here is your personal opinion about the person behind the OP and not the post itself, I suggest you find another forum to play on. Several posts in this thread have generated complaints already. There is nothing wrong with discussing stats on this board, if that is what you'd like to do. If that is not your bag, then don't come here flexxing your [Removed for Content].Simple, no?<div></div>

[Scarrlette]

The warning was issued, please move along now.  Thanks.

[Gungo]

<BR><p>Message Edited by Gungo on <span class=date_text>01-19-2007</span> <span class=time_text>07:16 AM</span>

[t0iletduck]

I don't understand why people insist on putting down others because of the way they kill a mob. If you can kill it without exploiting a bug or game mechanic, then gratz. If you don't like to kill a mob a certain way, then don't. <div></div>

[ReviloTX]

<P>I have a serious question about this mob.  We have tried all of the above methods.  We generally lack the DPS to burn her down outright, so we have to resort to avoiding the adds.  We've tried aggro switching right after the nuke, didn't work.  We tried letting tanks die, but aggro becomes a problem after they die over and over.</P> <P>So my question.  What/when/how do you cause her to spawn the heroics but not the x2's?  We've never seen this happen, in over 15-20 attempts.  Everytime we get adds, we get both, yet people claim there is a way to avoid the x2's but still get heroics (without people dying).  I understand that your all hinting at aggro changes, but we tried that and we still got x2's.  Any help on avoiding the x2's would be appreciated, if you don't feel like posting it in public feel free to send me a PM.</P>

[DarkMirrax]

<DIV>this whole thread where ppl are flaming the op for stating a different strat ? whats the problem ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>its using an ingame item in the same way a coercer , illusinist mezzes or a coercer splits veymn or a conj pet pulls to split etc etc etc etc the list is endless. , are they all exploits too no</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Judist]

<P>You will see this sorta behavior after any release of new content. Some guilds have an easier time, some dont. As everyone progresses thru EoF eventually all (or most) will get to the same level and use the same general strats. Some guilds just progress slower than others. No biggie IMO but those guilds and their players (regardless of personal skill) are subject to bashings because of it.</P> <P>Until the point is reached when <STRONG>everyone</STRONG> see's these mobs as trivial, the ones who do it better (or first) will always hound the ones who are still having a hard time.</P> <P>It's a superiority complex and completly childish.</P> <P>If you look deep back into the archives (look for when KoS just came out) you'll see the same type of threads dealing with KoS epics. I get a kick out of some of them. People were so serious and bragging so much about stuff no one cared about later on. I personally recall many players who acted so elitist about killing the trio named in labs when a month or two later everyone was killing Vyemm on a regular basis.</P> <P> </P><p>Message Edited by BeatinGuts on <span class=date_text>01-22-2007</span> <span class=time_text>04:42 AM</span>

[Manyak]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> BeatinGuts wrote: <P>If you look deep back into the archives (look for when KoS just came out) you'll see the same type of threads dealing with KoS epics. I get a kick out of some of them. People were so serious and bragging so much about stuff no one cared about later on. I personally recall many players who acted so elitist about killing the trio named in labs when a month or two later everyone was killing Vyemm on a regular basis.<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Don't forget, back then even the best guilds had to raid in nothing but legendary gear from instances and MAYBE a few pieces of leftover fabled from T6. Just like all the people starting out right now are doing as well. The people now even have the advantage of relic that the other guilds didnt, cuz they never resorted to relic runs. So yes, if u can clear labs on ur first run in nothing but crap gear then id say ur better than those who are having problems doing it in full relic. But makig fun of em just cuz they can...thats a whole nother story.</P>

[Toredorf]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ReviloTX wrote:<BR> <P>I have a serious question about this mob.  We have tried all of the above methods.  We generally lack the DPS to burn her down outright, so we have to resort to avoiding the adds.  We've tried aggro switching right after the nuke, didn't work.  We tried letting tanks die, but aggro becomes a problem after they die over and over.</P> <P>So my question.  What/when/how do you cause her to spawn the heroics but not the x2's?  We've never seen this happen, in over 15-20 attempts.  Everytime we get adds, we get both, yet people claim there is a way to avoid the x2's but still get heroics (without people dying).  I understand that your all hinting at aggro changes, but we tried that and we still got x2's.  Any help on avoiding the x2's would be appreciated, if you don't feel like posting it in public feel free to send me a PM.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>opps i said right after phrone of corruption hehe try before it lol.... ok my bad heheh </P> <P>Othis seems to cast phrone of corruption <U>ONLY</U> if he keeps agro on someone for more than 24secs.</P> <P>U can either use the thinkered items as the OP said (20sec timer will work) or Swith tanks every 20sec.</P>

[Triste-Lune]

push a 20K+ dps have the tank grab all the x2(scrypt stop at 5adds) and she ll go down.treyloth is another story and a lot funnier encounter <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

[vladsamier]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StarryEyedElf wrote:<BR>then don't come here flexxing your [Removed for Content].<BR><BR>Simple, no?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I do not think that was necessary, and a little out of line..... You could have left that part out. These boards are the only boards that I have ever seen where developers and mods lash at customers. Must be some new business practice that SOE is developing....</P> <P>To get back on topic though, glad to hear you killed the named.<BR></P><p>Message Edited by vladsamier on <span class=date_text>01-24-2007</span> <span class=time_text>03:06 PM</span>

[DarkMirrax]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vladsamier wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> StarryEyedElf wrote:<BR>then don't come here flexxing your [Removed for Content].<BR><BR>Simple, no?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I do not think that was necessary, and a little out of line..... You could have left that part out. These boards are the only boards that I have ever seen where developers and mods lash at customers. Must be some new business practice that SOE is developing....</P> <P>To get back on topic though, glad to hear you killed the named.<BR></P> <P>Message Edited by vladsamier on <SPAN class=date_text>01-24-2007</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>03:06 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>actually no personallly i dont think it was out of line his point is that ppl ARE flexing there e-peens is justified