Avatar of Valor

[Rampagious]

<DIV>Over the past couple of days I think four guilds have defeated the first Avatar of the expansion.  What is the response from these guilds?  It is pretty common knowledge between them that the mob is extremely broken.  The only thing that makes this mob difficult at all, is getting a Wizard or Warrior to spawn when adds come.  BUT, if you are lucky enough, you can get ZERO wizards or warriors since the adds are random.  Also, sometimes he chains adds, other times you won't get adds for up to two minutes.  The adds is the only difficult part of the encounter, and they don't even work remotely correct.  Unless you want to keep the avatar a joke of a mob, I would suggest putting a fix in, thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And to add, almost all of the loot off of the Avatars is pathetic and a slap in the face.  I suppose I shouldn't be suprised, but from the top end mobs of the game, I would expect to still rather wear my KoS gear over their loot.  Congratulations at failing AGAIN at itemization.</DIV>

[jago quicksilver]

couldn't agree more with this, luck being a part of an encounter is pretty much BS, and the loot is horrid for whats supposed to be the end game mobs.

[Gaellen]

Just to clarify, are you guys saying that: - Mobs that are easy should have bad loot - Mobs that are hard should have good loot - Avatar of Valor is easy? Because it kinda sounds that way, and it kinda sounds like he has bad loot. So it's working as intended. Maybe he's meant to be the easiest of the Avatars? That's why his loot is bad? Maybe you should alter your strat. Did you have a <a href="http://www.fallen-guild.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=53&mode=&order=0&thold=0" target=_blank>cow</a>? <div></div>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Gaellen wrote:Just to clarify, are you guys saying that: - Mobs that are easy should have bad loot - Mobs that are hard should have good loot - Avatar of Valor is easy? Because it kinda sounds that way, and it kinda sounds like he has bad loot. So it's working as intended. Maybe he's meant to be the easiest of the Avatars? That's why his loot is bad? Maybe you should alter your strat. Did you have a <a href="http://www.fallen-guild.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=53&mode=&order=0&thold=0" target=_blank>cow</a>? <div></div><hr></blockquote> Avatars aren't supposed to be easier than instancd content. Which right now Avatar of Valor is.

[Rampagious]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaellen wrote:<BR>Just to clarify, are you guys saying that:<BR><BR>- Mobs that are easy should have bad loot<BR>- Mobs that are hard should have good loot<BR>- Avatar of Valor is easy?<BR><BR>Because it kinda sounds that way, and it kinda sounds like he has bad loot. So it's working as intended. Maybe he's meant to be the easiest of the Avatars? That's why his loot is bad?<BR><BR>Maybe you should alter your strat. Did you have a <A href="http://www.fallen-guild.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=53&mode=&order=0&thold=0" target=_blank>cow</A>?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Avatars aren't supposed to be easier than instancd content. Which right now Avatar of Valor is.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed, I would definately have to say Woushi was harder than Valor - although, Woushi is another story himself...8124518749127491274192471294719m hitbox ftw!<BR>

[Gaellen]

<blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<blockquote><hr>Gaellen wrote: Maybe he's meant to be the easiest of the Avatars? That's why his loot is bad? <div></div><hr></blockquote> Avatars aren't supposed to be easier than instancd content. Which right now Avatar of Valor is.<hr></blockquote>Says who? He's easier, and his loot is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. That seems really well balanced to me. If they DO make him harder then obviously he should have better loot, but in the scope of things I'd much rather mobs loot reflect their difficulty across the board regardless of where you or I assume they should be in the overall scope of difficulty. Would you prefer he was easy but had fantastic loot? That everybody and their brother would farm? I'd not. <div></div>

[Groma]

Isnt he a pally? Did you really expect a hard fight? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Sausage101]

I was somehow under the impression that the Avatars were what we were supposed to be gearing up for to kill.  Maybe I was wrong though.

[Rampagious]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaellen wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaellen wrote:<BR> Maybe he's meant to be the easiest of the Avatars? That's why his loot is bad?<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>Avatars aren't supposed to be easier than instancd content. Which right now Avatar of Valor is.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Says who? <BR>He's easier, and his loot is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. That seems really well balanced to me. If they DO make him harder then obviously he should have better loot, but in the scope of things I'd much rather mobs loot reflect their difficulty across the board regardless of where you or I assume they should be in the overall scope of difficulty. <BR><BR>Would you prefer he was easy but had fantastic loot? That everybody and their brother would farm? I'd not. <BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Your idiocy is mindblowing.  Secondly, the avatars have a shared loot table of about 15 or so items, and 1-2 unique items per mob.  So no matter WHAT avatar you kill you will be seeing majority of the shared loot table, which is total crap.  Thank you for chiming in on something in which you are obviously totally ignorant to.  I request you never post here again to not ruin this thread, thanks!<p>Message Edited by Rampagious on <span class=date_text>01-16-2007</span> <span class=time_text>10:48 AM</span>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>Gaellen wrote:<blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:<blockquote><hr>Gaellen wrote: Maybe he's meant to be the easiestof the Avatars? That's why his loot is bad?<div></div><hr></blockquote>Avatars aren't supposed to be easier than instancd content. Which right now Avatar of Valor is.<hr></blockquote>Says who? He's easier, and his loot is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. That seems really well balanced tome. If they DO make him harder then obviously he should have betterloot, but in the scope of things I'd much rather mobs loot reflecttheir difficulty across the board regardless of where you or I assumethey should be in the overall scope of difficulty. Would you prefer he was easy but had fantastic loot? That everybody and their brother would farm? I'd not. <div></div><hr></blockquote>So you're saying gods are supposed to be a joke of a fight. Okay, wait no, Avatars aren't supposed to be easy. They're the projection of a God. They should be hard as [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], not easier than [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing Mayong Instancemoore.

[Gungo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>Isnt he a pally? Did you really expect a hard fight? <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>QFE</P> <P>If he really was hard it would be unrepresentable to paladins everywhere. In fact as soon as a raid of 24 aproaches he should depop a metal chest should appear and france should be thrown in for good measure. While white may be the color of purity a paladin wears it because its the international sign of unconditional surrender/peace. </P>

[Gaellen]

<blockquote><hr>Rampagious wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Gaellen wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Pinski wrote: <blockquote> <hr> Gaellen wrote: Maybe he's meant to be the easiest of the Avatars? That's why his loot is bad? <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Avatars aren't supposed to be easier than instancd content. Which right now Avatar of Valor is. <hr> </blockquote>If they DO make him harder then obviously he should have better loot, but in the scope of things I'd much rather mobs loot reflect their difficulty across the board regardless of where you or I assume they should be in the overall scope of difficulty. Would you prefer he was easy but had fantastic loot? That everybody and their brother would farm? I'd not. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Your idiocy is mindblowing.  Secondly, the avatars have a shared loot table of about 15 or so items, and 1-2 unique items per mob.  So no matter WHAT avatar you kill you will be seeing majority of the shared loot table, which is total crap.  Thank you for chiming in on something in which you are obviously totally ignorant to.  I request you never post here again to not ruin this thread, thanks!<hr></blockquote> Get out of the wrong side of the bed today? Since only one Avatar has been killed world wide, the only way you could possibly know that is if you were in beta or knew somebody that was. The devs certainly haven't posted anything to that effect. So purely because I didn't play in beta and am commenting on the actual facts we've got,<i> I'm</i> the idiot? Grow up. If name calling is your best defense, you shouldn't enter an argument, period. I'd <i>still</i> much rather the guy be a push over and drop junk loot, than be a complete cakewalk and drop the best stuff in the game. <div></div>

[Xanrn]

<DIV>So what happens if a worshipper of Marr kills the Avatar?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Better be some damm nasty penatly, because if there isn't the whole "they came back" is pointless bs.</DIV>

[ChaosUndivided]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaellen wrote:<BR><BR>Get out of the wrong side of the bed today? Since only one Avatar has been killed world wide, the only way you could possibly know that is if you were in beta or knew somebody that was. The devs certainly haven't posted anything to that effect. So purely because I didn't play in beta and am commenting on the actual facts we've got,<I> I'm</I> the idiot? Grow up. If name calling is your best defense, you shouldn't enter an argument, period.<BR><BR>I'd <I>still</I> much rather the guy be a push over and drop junk loot, than be a complete cakewalk and drop the best stuff in the game. <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Dissolution has insider Dev Info, so they know these things. Their guild leader is friends with one of the Devs (the one who got him into beta) and they get fed info about loot tables and zones.</P> <P> </P> <P>/tinfoilhat<BR></P>

[Gungo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ChaosUndivided wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaellen wrote:<BR><BR>Get out of the wrong side of the bed today? Since only one Avatar has been killed world wide, the only way you could possibly know that is if you were in beta or knew somebody that was. The devs certainly haven't posted anything to that effect. So purely because I didn't play in beta and am commenting on the actual facts we've got,<I> I'm</I> the idiot? Grow up. If name calling is your best defense, you shouldn't enter an argument, period.<BR><BR>I'd <I>still</I> much rather the guy be a push over and drop junk loot, than be a complete cakewalk and drop the best stuff in the game. <BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Dissolution has insider Dev Info, so they know these things. Their guild leader is friends with one of the Devs (the one who got him into beta) and they get fed info about loot tables and zones.</P> <P> </P> <P>/tinfoilhat<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>But isn't that part of what they call out alot of other guilds about. Hypocrisy at its best.

[Echgar]

Alrighty.  I took at stab at cleaning this thread up yesterday and I see it's more of the same with attacks, insults, and namecalling today so I'm afraid I need to close this thread.I strongly recommend that those of you that choose to participate in such mudslinging here rethink your approach and instead just use the "Report Abuse to a Moderator" link so we can deal with inappropriate posts rather than replying to them yourself (where you end up crossing the <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=faq&message.id=25" target=_blank>forum rules</a> too).<div></div>