Well done designing a zone to be done when everything is grey!

[MrDiz]

<DIV>Solusek Eye.... what were they thinking?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You cant invis even slightly now. Maybe 10% of the trip from the zone to naggy can be done invis now. 90% needs to be cleared if not grey. So I start fighting down, after almost 2 hours im close to naggy when cos of one misjudged pull im dead. And where is the revive point ... oh yeah .. the zone. Obviously im not doing all that again as ill probably die more now that im peeved. So i think to myself "sod it, ill come back at 61 when its all grey". And thats when it struck me. Thats what Sol Eye is. Its a long tedious time sink of a run that you do for relic armor and naggy runs once everything is grey. One of the best designed, coolest architecture and well populated zones is basically unused is any other way because its simply too ridiculous to do anything else there.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For the love of god either put in more revive points or some more teleport points in there <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Kizee]

Or get a couple of friends to help you.

[Krokous]

with group it was really fast to get down there, and its wery good xp there

[iceriven2]

Sol eye has always been a pain.  Ever Since my first venture down there before DoF i could never invis all the way down.  Unless they made it worse recently some how sol eye has been a well known time sink for almost 2 years.

[Caetrel]

Just put Nagafen in the Dreadnever Camp, or better yet move him to the Sinking Sands docks so you can just take a bell there. <div></div>

[Nuhus]

<P>I love that place. I've only got one peeve about it and it's not the trip.... It's THE FREAKING MOBS ATTACK A PET JUST CAUSE FROM A MILE AWAY EVEN!!Apparently the gnomes don't like Necro pets nor charmed pets and mobs will come out of nowhere and attack you. Way to go to make some classes feel like the biggest [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] pain to their group.</P> <P>Something about factional crap. But whatever, it's too much.</P> <P>lol, sorry. I know that's a little bit of a rant, but I've been needing to get it off my chest for a while. BTW same thing goes for Klak'Anon!!!!! It's annoying and the groups get [Removed for Content] off cause they think you're screwing up when you actually have no control over it. </P> <P><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </P><p>Message Edited by Nuhus on <span class=date_text>12-31-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:56 PM</span>

[whytakemine]

Because that would dumb the game down and ruin immersion!  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=gameplay&message.id=144193#M144193<blockquote><hr>MrDizzi wrote:11 pages ....sheesh. How bout a "Pure Adrenaline Server" Sony? Set up a server and remove all timesinks and allow free transfers. Have lots of options people can click including: bells to all places, inc the endboss rooms of instances. Have 100% power/health regen once conbat ends. Have all spell/ca timers reset when combat ends. Have all nameds instantly spawn so they dont have to be camped. Have no debt. etc. Add more options. Wont matter as long as its optional these people ownt mind.People can transfer, pick which things to have or not have, and then get on with non stop uninterupted whatever it is they bought the game to do.Everyone happy? Gizzi: Halfling 70 Swashbuckler, Dizzi: Halfling 70 Templar,Vizzi - Halfling 54 Shadow Knight, Bizzi - Halfling 54 Dirge,Qizzi - Halfling 70 Illusionist, Tizzi - Halfling 60 guardian<hr></blockquote>Sorry, couldn't resist.  I sort of agree with you - back when I first went to Sol's Eye it was fun, semi-hard, and with serious consequences (starting back at the top) for screwing up.  Now that you can out level it so easily I have to admit to doing the same thing - I just wait until I'm 59-60 to make the run.  It's faster than trying to get a group together and make it to the bottom just for a quest update.  I'm not sure why they made so much stuff see invis when they revamped it, unless it was just because they had recently added invis totems and didn't want everyone to bypass all the content. It's still a fun place to XP, if you can get a group together to do it.  If nothing else, I'd make the teleporter to sol's eye work as long as at least one person in group has done the "access".  Otherwise inevitably you're going to have to fight your way all the way up there for the one guy in the group who hasn't been there yet.<div></div>

[EtoilePirate]

I like Sol's Eye.  My alt is coming up 45 and I'm excited to find her a group in there sometime.  It's a really impressive zone.In fact, I think Permafrost and Sol's Eye are still two of the best dungeons in the game.  I know they don't get used as much anymore, as 50 is no longer endgame, but I'd like to make a point of getting my Fury into them both after a run through Klak'Anon.(The only bad part?  If you have Safe Fall, you can slip off the damned glass paths, land safely at the bottom aaaaaand... wait around forever with nothing to do and nowhere to go.  La la la la la....  And I really, really, REALLY hated trying to get into the right room to help friends with their Sol Ro level 70 deity quests.  Fell off and had to redo the whole run.  *sigh*  But beyond that: great zone.)<div></div>

[MrDiz]

<P>I dont mind the immersive feeling of working my way down to naggy and fighting all the way (or invising as we used to). I sorta enjoy the challenge. Im not even upset that invis really doesnt help now so I have to fight EVERYTHING on the way down. Thats why im doing it whilst its still green rather than waiting till its grey. But there is a reason this zone (one of the biggest, if not THE biggest, indoor zones) is basically empty always. You can go there with a small group, and if you dont have a priest and someone dies, you have to fight your way back up to the zone to pick up your fallen comrade. LOL half the people in this game go weak at the knees if they get 0.1% debt and a 2 min run back to the group <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Its not like im a wimp and everyone else is busy fighting, grinding, questing, etc in this zone. Its dead in there. If the zone was packed with people id assume it was just me being a wuss.</P> <P>The only reason to go there is naggy and relic, all of which really isnt needed now before lvl 61 so why not wait till its greyed out?</P> <P>I dont want them to turn Sol Eye into a carnival, but lets be honest, with the exception of the very top level its a waste of a zone. Its a little eye candy and a time sink for raiders either collecting relic or learning draconic. It needs some loving. Few quest lines, few more revive points, perhaps slightly less see invis mobs .... </P>

[Brigh]

SE has great gear that is rare now.My PVP paladin wears the BP from Commander Kulkath, has the Lt 2hs (still not attuned though) adorned with heat proc.For a while he was wearing the jailor's helm from the Castigator that procs 10 sec Intimidating Stare in PVE that keeps mobs from attacking. In PVP the time is reduced on players to 5 seconds.Recently though I got the Fossilized Combine Helm from the x4 raid Solusek's Fist that is similar in effect except Stifle that is for 6 seconds. It matches my long john pants (both fabled shiny white).After a few weeks of work I finally got my Drednever quests done and got the 2hs Flametongue sword and Champion of Drednever title too along with 5 charges of rock pet I can summon in PVP if I have 10 sec to spare <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><p>Message Edited by Brigh on <span class=date_text>01-01-2007</span> <span class=time_text>07:49 PM</span>

[MrDiz]

Well i dont have the mining skill to do those quests im afraid, bit if people like Sol Eye the way it is then sony should leave it that way. Ill wait till 61 anyway to do speak like a dragon.

[Araxes]

I get the impression you were attempting to solo this.  Correct me if that's wrong - but you're post implied it.It's really <i>not </i>that long of a run if you go with a full group - which is what it's designed for.It's a heroic dungeon - not a solo instance.If you attempt to solo it - well yeah - it's gonna take way more than 2 hours.However - I <i>do </i>think they need to look at the loot tables there and make it more worthwhile to group in and explore ... becuase you are correct in saying that the majority of groups go in there for only two reasons (Nagafen and relic armor).<div></div>

[Illustrious]

Even at 50 with not  much else to do basically the only people in there were people heading for naggy for the prismatic 1 updates. It was a pain then due to the pure time involved in fighting down to the bottom, and that if u wiped you all started off at the top again, nothing has changed its just a much smaller time sink now to run down through the greys for Relic and quests.

[MrDiz]

<P>No, it was sk + dirge, both 57 at the time. But im not asking for it to be soloable or easier, or to take less time to get down to naggy. Just pointing out that the zone is so very very unused to the point of being almost empty most hours of the day. It isnt a hard zone, and its a great looking place, so why is it dead all the time? My opinion is that there is no point playing there. Its a place raiders pass through to get to naggy or the relic armor maker.</P> <P>But if people love this zone as it is they should leave it alone. Im just one person, i just thought that with it being dead 90% of the time in there I might not be alone in thinking there should be more revive points or something <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MrDizzi wrote:<BR> <P>No, it was sk + dirge, both 57 at the time. But im not asking for it to be soloable or easier, or to take less time to get down to naggy. Just pointing out that the zone is so very very unused to the point of being almost empty most hours of the day. It isnt a hard zone, and its a great looking place, so why is it dead all the time? My opinion is that there is no point playing there. Its a place raiders pass through to get to naggy or the relic armor maker.</P> <P>But if people love this zone as it is they should leave it alone. Im just one person, i just thought that with it being dead 90% of the time in there I might not be alone in thinking there should be more revive points or something <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>if you need to get a toon down there fast that is in the intended lvl range take a lvl 70 toon that can blow through the mobs fast and use them to clear out a path, then log the lowbie in run them to the same spot you stopped at log out, re-log the high lvl toon plow through, rinse and repeat.</P> <P>fastest way to get someone within the lvl range down there solo.</P>

[Noaani]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Vicontessa wrote:<BR><BR>I <I>do </I>think they need to look at the loot tables there and make it more worthwhile to group in and explore ... becuase you are correct in saying that the majority of groups go in there for only two reasons (Nagafen and relic armor).<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Have you been in there since the revamp? There is some decient loot in there to be had, and it drops quite often</P> <P>T5 Masters drop in there all the time too.</P> <P>Wish it had this sort of loot table back in T5, cause I used to go in there all the time.<BR></P>

[Mistmoore-Milaga]

<div><blockquote><hr>MrDizzi wrote:<div></div> <p>No, it was sk + dirge, both 57 at the time. But im not asking for it to be soloable or easier, or to take less time to get down to naggy. Just pointing out that the zone is so very very unused to the point of being almost empty most hours of the day. It isnt a hard zone, and its a great looking place, so why is it dead all the time? My opinion is that there is no point playing there. Its a place raiders pass through to get to naggy or the relic armor maker.</p><hr></blockquote>You're welcome to your opinion, but that's not the reason why no one is there. No one is there because it's hard to get to. Harder than it's counterpart, Permafrost. You'll have no trouble getting a PF group at that level but you can never find anyone who wants to do Sol's Eye. Even if you do, you can bet that a) some people won't have porter access, b) the group will wipe once trying to run around to dungeon and c) you forgot where that fracking secret door in Sol Ro Temple is. You can invis almost all the way from Everfrost docks to PF entrance.It's the same reason why there are a ton of Runnyeye groups, never one for Deathfist Citadel. Varsoon groups forming every hour, never one for Nek Castle.Sol's Eye is still my favorite zone in the game. I had vertigo the first time I got to the matchbox car racetrack towards the bottom.</div>

[MrDiz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>IllusiveThoughts wrote :</P> <P>if you need to get a toon down there fast that is in the intended lvl range take a lvl 70 toon that can blow through the mobs fast and use them to clear out a path, then log the lowbie in run them to the same spot you stopped at log out, re-log the high lvl toon plow through, rinse and repeat.</P> <P>fastest way to get someone within the lvl range down there solo.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Kinda defeats the purpose of going there whilst everything isnt grey doesnt it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Its ok, you seem to have missed my point but its not important. I can pretty much solo the whole zone but wont because its just not really worth it for me. I dont need speak like a dragon until i do SoS claymore and then ill have greyed the zone out. None of the loot in there is as good as stuff i can buy from broker with the several plat a day you can make doing solo quests avaialable at my level range. And the exp is no where near as good as the exp i get doing those quests either. Sol Eye as it is wont cause me any trouble so its all good.</P> <P>Now its obvious lots of people dont share my views and find lots of reasons to go there so my apologies to those people for insulting your zone. It is a great looking zone and im glad its being enjoyed by so many people. I only posted because I didnt actually think anyone went there. I was wrong <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Enjoy.</P>

[MrDiz]

ps. Permafrost was a very very unused zone back in the days when the revive point was the docks in everfrost.

[IllusiveThoughts]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MrDizzi wrote: <P><BR>Kinda defeats the purpose of going there whilst everything isnt grey doesnt it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Its ok, you seem to have missed my point but its not important.</P> <P>**blah blah**<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>I should have been more selective in my quotation of your post.</P> <P>Here's how I should have worded it so you understand what I was pointing out.<BR></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> MrDizzi wrote:<BR> <P>Its a place raiders pass through to get to naggy or the relic armor maker.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> I previously wrote:<BR>if you need to get a toon down there fast that is in the intended lvl range take a lvl 70 toon that can blow through the mobs fast and use them to clear out a path, then log the lowbie in run them to the same spot you stopped at log out, re-log the high lvl toon plow through, rinse and repeat. <P>fastest way to get someone within the lvl range down there solo.</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>so it seems you didn't fully read my response.  I was giving a tip for people who want to get to naggy, or run down to sol's eye quickly to get porter access, for toons that the zone is not yet grey for, if they do not have a group to do so. They can instead, log an alt lvl 70 toon in, plow a hole through agro mobs, log it out, then log in the lower level toon, run them up to the spot the lvl 70 stopped, log out, log in the lvl 70 toon and repeat.</P> <P>I understand the zone is basically dead, except for bot farmers, and people doing what I first quoted.  that was not what I was posting about.</P> <P>I agree that the zone is a wonderful zone, its one of the best looking zones imho, and the dungeon is freaking huge, tons of mobs and content in there.  Its biggest drawback is as you already pointed out, its location (which requires a run through the temple of sol ro) and a long hoof to the teleporter to activate it, not everyone does this first, which is the first drawback, the second one is once inside, not everyone has teleporter access to the bottom, this is the second drawback.</P> <P>I dont think adding in revive points will fix this as every dungeon in eq2 takes you back to the entrance when you die.</P>

[MrDiz]

Not exactly true, clefts has a number of revive points. Not sure if its a dungeon or not tho. But anyway most dungeons dont take that long to traverse. Sol Eye is a pretty epic journey if you are high 40s or low 50s. Its a great journey too, but its also the sort of thing you do once and then think "sod this im off to steamfont". I enjoy doing quests but there are thousands of others and speak like a dragon can wait till I can grey the zone out. No real harm done either way.

[Scort]

Gotta love how people love to use the immersion excuse when they are trying to win an dicussion. It has absolutely zero to do with immersion.

[MrDiz]

<DIV>Im all for immersion. Love it. And i like Sol Eye the zone. But its not a zone i find myself using throughout my many characters purely because there are other options that are far easier. The few things I "need" sol eye for I can do once its grey. Yeah immersion is great, but Solusek Eye takes it to a level that pretty much ensures it is an empty zone. All that work that went into that zone. Its huge and beautiful. Id cry if it was my zone <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[Sir_Halbarad]

<div><blockquote><hr>Caetrel wrote:Just put Nagafen in the Dreadnever Camp, or better yet move him to the Sinking Sands docks so you can just take a bell there. <div></div><hr></blockquote>priceless <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[MrDiz]

<blockquote><hr>Sir_Halbarad wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Caetrel wrote:Just put Nagafen in the Dreadnever Camp, or better yet move him to the Sinking Sands docks so you can just take a bell there. <div></div><hr></blockquote>priceless <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote> If by priceless you mean worthless. Taking naggy out of Sol Eye will not make the zone any more populated, in fact it will remove what few people are there ie. the lvl 70 raiders taking a casual stroll.

[Sir_Halbarad]

<div><blockquote><hr>MrDizzi wrote:<blockquote><hr>Sir_Halbarad wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Caetrel wrote:Just put Nagafen in the Dreadnever Camp, or better yet move him to the Sinking Sands docks so you can just take a bell there. <div></div><hr></blockquote>priceless <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><hr></blockquote> If by priceless you mean worthless. Taking naggy out of Sol Eye will not make the zone any more populated, in fact it will remove what few people are there ie. the lvl 70 raiders taking a casual stroll.<hr></blockquote>Sorry, if I hurt you - it just made me laugh <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />And I agree with you. Considering that Sol Eye is probably the best (=most interesting) designed zone in the old worlds, it is underpopulated. And the zone revamp they did a few months ago didn't change it.</div>

[DementedGerbil]

<DIV>its heroic zone, if u are solo and mobs con you are an idiot, it is a fun zone to grind in with lots of named, and if after hearing this u still think its too tough, get a parachute pack and just jump down to naggy</DIV>

[MrDiz]

<blockquote><hr>DementedGerbil wrote:<DIV>its heroic zone, if u are solo and mobs con you are an idiot, it is a fun zone to grind in with lots of named, and if after hearing this u still think its too tough, get a parachute pack and just jump down to naggy</DIV><hr></blockquote> LOL did you even read the thread or are you just a little slow? The zone is not too tough for me. Did you read even one single word in this thread? What an idiot <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I can solo everything in the zone except naggy himself. Thats not what im talking about. Read the thread and get a clue.

[Noaani]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> <BR>LOL did you even read the thread or are you just a little slow? The zone is not too tough for me. Did you read even one single word in this thread? What an idiot <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I can solo everything in the zone except naggy himself. Thats not what im talking about. Read the thread and get a clue.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>May want to be careful who you call an idiot, otherwise some smart [Removed for Content] may come in here and point out to you that Nagafan is not, infact, in Soluseks Eye, as you clain him to be. And I also doubt you could solo Nagalik or Hand.<BR>

[Renpatsu]

Solusek Eye is one of my favorite zones. The size, the feel, the look of the zone - I just love it. I had some great fun leveling with friends there or fighting down to Nagafen for the dragon language - and that's with three characters so far. This had been at various levels. I rather would like to see more such deep and intense zones.I do hope, that the upcoming Unrest will feel as 'unique', in KoS it is Deathtoll where I just can't keep my eye from wandering around.<div></div>