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GMPOTU

12-28-2006, 10:46 PM

<DIV>We've had three people quit our guild since the launch of EoF because you guys have not fixed the lag issues with Freethinkers Hideout, Emerald Halls, and all the other various zones.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How many is it going to take before you reach into your pockets and upgrade the servers to actually be able to transmit the data in an efficient manner so we can play without this lag? 10? 15? 20? Members from every guild quitting?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Minimum Requirements:</DIV> <DIV>Operating System: Windows 98/2000/ME/XP Processor: 1GHz RAM: 512 MB Video Card: DirectX 9 compatible. Pixel shader and vertex shader compatible hardware with 64 MB of texture memory Sound Card: DirectSound compatible audio hardware</DIV> Recommended Specifications: Operating System: Windows XP Processor: 2 GHz or greater RAM: 1 GB CD-ROM: 16x CD-ROM or DVD-ROM Video Card: DirectX 9 compatible. Pixel shader and Vertex shader compatible hardware with 128mb of texture memory or greater Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy Sounds like false advertising to me when people in our guild with 2Ghz dualcore processors, 2GB RAM, Win XP, DX9 video cards with 512mb of texture memory cannot efficiently raid in extreme performance (the lowest setting) because every time a raid mob does and AOE or everytime something effects more than 3 players in the raid the entire raid experiences a 3-5s lag spike and winds up dead when the information finishes updating on their computers. Please get your stuff together before my whole guild falls apart and many others as well I'd assume. (ps) If this guild falls apart because SOE won't fix the lag then I'll be selling a fully fabled raid ready wizard on station exchange for any who might be interested with 27% spell crit chance self-buffed. (31% with potion) (pps) Go ahead and lock the post if you want to mods, see if I care, that's all you guys are good for anyway. <DIV> </DIV>

RaizNHe

12-28-2006, 11:18 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GMPOTU wrote: <DIV>We've had three people quit our guild since the launch of EoF because you guys have not fixed the lag issues with Freethinkers Hideout, Emerald Halls, and all the other various zones.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How many is it going to take before you reach into your pockets and upgrade the servers to actually be able to transmit the data in an efficient manner so we can play without this lag? 10? 15? 20? Members from every guild quitting?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Minimum Requirements:</DIV> <DIV>Operating System: Windows 98/2000/ME/XP Processor: 1GHz RAM: 512 MB Video Card: DirectX 9 compatible. Pixel shader and vertex shader compatible hardware with 64 MB of texture memory Sound Card: DirectSound compatible audio hardware</DIV> Recommended Specifications: Operating System: Windows XP Processor: 2 GHz or greater RAM: 1 GB CD-ROM: 16x CD-ROM or DVD-ROM Video Card: DirectX 9 compatible. Pixel shader and Vertex shader compatible hardware with 128mb of texture memory or greater Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy Sounds like false advertising to me when people in our guild with 2Ghz dualcore processors, 2GB RAM, Win XP, DX9 video cards with 512mb of texture memory cannot efficiently raid in extreme performance (the lowest setting) because every time a raid mob does and AOE or everytime something effects more than 3 players in the raid the entire raid experiences a 3-5s lag spike and winds up dead when the information finishes updating on their computers. Please get your stuff together before my whole guild falls apart and many others as well I'd assume. (ps) If this guild falls apart because SOE won't fix the lag then I'll be selling a fully fabled raid ready wizard on station exchange for any who might be interested with 27% spell crit chance self-buffed. (31% with potion) (pps) Go ahead and lock the post if you want to mods, see if I care, that's all you guys are good for anyway. <DIV> </DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Easy killer. 1. If people are leaving over lag issues that have only been around a few weeks... well then I'm sorry, but thats a little extreme. 2. Did you stop to think it could be a coding issue and instead of an issue with server performance? Do you realize how difficult it can be to find/correct code. ESPECIALLY code involving data transfer.

Dasein

12-28-2006, 11:22 PM

I've not seen anything like that in any zone i've raided since EoF has launched. I'm running on windows 2k, with 2gb RAM, an AMD 3200 and a 512MB video card. While I'll get the occasional bit of choppiness in zones like QH, and bits of network lag now and then, raiding and every other zone is entirely playable.<div></div>

GMPOTU

12-28-2006, 11:34 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caswydian wrote: I've not seen anything like that in any zone i've raided since EoF has launched. I'm running on windows 2k, with 2gb RAM, an AMD 3200 and a 512MB video card. While I'll get the occasional bit of choppiness in zones like QH, and bits of network lag now and then, raiding and every other zone is entirely playable. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Are you on a different server? It may be specifically related to the Oasis server as every guild on our server has reported experiencing these issues. If I'm not mistaken Oasis is the 2nd highest populated server due to the stupid server merger from KoS...before the Merge I could raid in balanced and everyone else could raid in High Quality or better, people could raid in High Quality even in KoS if they had the best of the best computers, but now no one can avoid these lag spikes no matter what we do. Are you in a guild that has killed the 3rd and 4th named in Freethinkers Hideout multiple times, or faught Mayong Mistmoore for hours in MMIS, or reached the Gardener in Emerald Halls? These tend to be the fights where the lag is the worst. Anytime a Mob has a crucial AE or crazy debuff effect the zone tends to lag for a solid 3-5s and then catches up and 3/4 of the raid is dead. Sometimes we can play through it like on the Freethinkers bosses we manage to survive sometimes, but on mobs like the Gardener in EH it's almost undoable (we could probably do it but part of it would involve getting lucky), and Mayong Mistmoore well basically if you get the lag spike when the debuff hits you're toast. Good game raid wipes.

RaizNHe

12-28-2006, 11:44 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GMPOTU wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caswydian wrote: I've not seen anything like that in any zone i've raided since EoF has launched. I'm running on windows 2k, with 2gb RAM, an AMD 3200 and a 512MB video card. While I'll get the occasional bit of choppiness in zones like QH, and bits of network lag now and then, raiding and every other zone is entirely playable. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Are you on a different server? It may be specifically related to the Oasis server as every guild on our server has reported experiencing these issues. If I'm not mistaken Oasis is the 2nd highest populated server due to the stupid server merger from KoS...before the Merge I could raid in balanced and everyone else could raid in High Quality or better, people could raid in High Quality even in KoS if they had the best of the best computers, but now no one can avoid these lag spikes no matter what we do. Are you in a guild that has killed the 3rd and 4th named in Freethinkers Hideout multiple times, or faught Mayong Mistmoore for hours in MMIS, or reached the Gardener in Emerald Halls? These tend to be the fights where the lag is the worst. Anytime a Mob has a crucial AE or crazy debuff effect the zone tends to lag for a solid 3-5s and then catches up and 3/4 of the raid is dead. Sometimes we can play through it like on the Freethinkers bosses we manage to survive sometimes, but on mobs like the Gardener in EH it's almost undoable (we could probably do it but part of it would involve getting lucky), and Mayong Mistmoore well basically if you get the lag spike when the debuff hits you're toast. Good game raid wipes. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I understand your lag issues. I don't understand your attitude towards the issue. You act like this is a simple fix, and it probably isn't. If its something with the code and not their servers, it could prove very difficult to fix.

GMPOTU

12-29-2006, 12:02 AM

<DIV>I understand that it could be difficult to fix however the devs never let people know what they are working on. All we see are the test update note. Not to mention the fact that they're wasting resources on discussing the possibility of adding announcements system to the game when they could be using those resources to try and fix this issue. The lack of communication from the Devs is astounding to me. They should have a section of the developer round table that is labeled projects in progress or something so people can look through and see what they are working on. Right now we don't even know if they're even trying to fix the lag issue or any other of the many issues discussed on the forums because they refuse to post anything. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I guess my point is that I'm tired of always paying to play beta. This stuff should have been fixed before release but instead they're essentially "stealing" our money because they hastily purchased shelf space in the stores before they had a finished product and released an unfinished product. I don't expect a perfect expansion from day 1 of it's release but I sure as [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing hell expect to be able to at least play the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thing when I load it up and not have to wait 3-5s between frames.</DIV>

RaizNHe

12-29-2006, 12:26 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GMPOTU wrote: <DIV>I understand that it could be difficult to fix however the devs never let people know what they are working on. All we see are the test update note. Not to mention the fact that they're wasting resources on discussing the possibility of adding announcements system to the game when they could be using those resources to try and fix this issue. The lack of communication from the Devs is astounding to me. They should have a section of the developer round table that is labeled projects in progress or something so people can look through and see what they are working on. Right now we don't even know if they're even trying to fix the lag issue or any other of the many issues discussed on the forums because they refuse to post anything. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I guess my point is that I'm tired of always paying to play beta. This stuff should have been fixed before release but instead they're essentially "stealing" our money because they hastily purchased shelf space in the stores before they had a finished product and released an unfinished product. I don't expect a perfect expansion from day 1 of it's release but I sure as [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing hell expect to be able to at least play the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thing when I load it up and not have to wait 3-5s between frames.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Oh sigh... another one of those "im still playing a beta" people. Please, if you are THAT unhappy that you believe you are BETA testing, please, for the love of all things holy and good in the world, CANCEL YOUR [Removed for Content] ACCOUNT! They can't just FIX everything and assure you that there will be no bugs/flaws. To expect a flawless game is just as stupid as your comment about you being involved in an EQ2 Beta. Stealing your money? You have to authorize them to charge your credit card. Once again, another absurd and stupid comment. As far as having some issues being fixed, while others are not... they have different teams of coders. Some coders are designated to certain projects and issues, the coder that may be handling this one, might not have any good news yet. Be patient, they KNOW the lag is an issue, whether they post a comprehensive timeframe / analysis / projeted cost to fix/ projected time to fix / the lines of code that must be corrected / the name of the coder making the changes / the color of said coders last bowel movement / and the name of his children's elementary school. They have other more important things to do than post updates on the forums, like... code. They know the problem is there, we know it is there, we know they are aware of it, they will fix it when a fix is available. To say "we dont even know if they are working on the lag issue" is completely silly. Of course they are working on it, its end-game raid issues, and that is what most people strive for and therefor it is a priority to fix. Message Edited by RaizNHell on 12-28-2006 11:28 AM

IllusiveThoughts

12-29-2006, 12:47 AM

fixing lag is like asking for a miracle. lets all remember that we are still experiencing memory leak issues, issues that have been around since eq2 launch, issues that make a 1gig ram machine start eq2 with approx 6-700 megs of page file usage, and zone 2-3 times it spikes up and over 1 gig, which your 1 gig ram machine cant handle efficiently. why is that lag still here, why haven't they worked on fixing that. what did I have to buy another 1 gig of ram to counter act the memory leak issue, which still affects performance when page file usage exceeds 1.5 gigs after a few hours of play time. Lag sucks, crumby performance from errors in coding causing deaths wipes, grievances, annoyances suck. Issues like that should be a priority imho and agree with the above poster.

RaizNHe

12-29-2006, 12:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: fixing lag is like asking for a miracle. lets all remember that we are still experiencing memory leak issues, issues that have been around since eq2 launch, issues that make a 1gig ram machine start eq2 with approx 6-700 megs of page file usage, and zone 2-3 times it spikes up and over 1 gig, which your 1 gig ram machine cant handle efficiently. why is that lag still here, why haven't they worked on fixing that. what did I have to buy another 1 gig of ram to counter act the memory leak issue, which still affects performance when page file usage exceeds 1.5 gigs after a few hours of play time. Lag sucks, crumby performance from errors in coding causing deaths wipes, grievances, annoyances suck. Issues like that should be a priority imho and agree with the above poster. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> What I'm saying, and have been, is that myself and others don't have issues. You realize how hard it is to code a game to the point that NOBODY no matter what setup they are using experiences a perfectly dazzling lag free MMORPG gameplay experience. You can fix your own page file issues by simply limiting it. (cmon, thats easy)

GMPOTU

12-29-2006, 12:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaizNHell wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GMPOTU wrote: <DIV>I understand that it could be difficult to fix however the devs never let people know what they are working on. All we see are the test update note. Not to mention the fact that they're wasting resources on discussing the possibility of adding announcements system to the game when they could be using those resources to try and fix this issue. The lack of communication from the Devs is astounding to me. They should have a section of the developer round table that is labeled projects in progress or something so people can look through and see what they are working on. Right now we don't even know if they're even trying to fix the lag issue or any other of the many issues discussed on the forums because they refuse to post anything. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I guess my point is that I'm tired of always paying to play beta. This stuff should have been fixed before release but instead they're essentially "stealing" our money because they hastily purchased shelf space in the stores before they had a finished product and released an unfinished product. I don't expect a perfect expansion from day 1 of it's release but I sure as [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing hell expect to be able to at least play the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thing when I load it up and not have to wait 3-5s between frames.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Oh sigh... another one of those "im still playing a beta" people. Please, if you are THAT unhappy that you believe you are BETA testing, please, for the love of all things holy and good in the world, CANCEL YOUR [Removed for Content] ACCOUNT! They can't just FIX everything and assure you that there will be no bugs/flaws. To expect a flawless game is just as stupid as your comment about you being involved in an EQ2 Beta. Stealing your money? You have to authorize them to charge your credit card. Once again, another absurd and stupid comment. As far as having some issues being fixed, while others are not... they have different teams of coders. Some coders are designated to certain projects and issues, the coder that may be handling this one, might not have any good news yet. Be patient, they KNOW the lag is an issue, whether they post a comprehensive timeframe / analysis / projeted cost to fix/ projected time to fix / the lines of code that must be corrected / the name of the coder making the changes / the color of said coders last bowel movement / and the name of his children's elementary school. They have other more important things to do than post updates on the forums, like... code. They know the problem is there, we know it is there, we know they are aware of it, they will fix it when a fix is available. To say "we dont even know if they are working on the lag issue" is completely silly. Of course they are working on it, its end-game raid issues, and that is what most people strive for and therefor it is a priority to fix. Message Edited by RaizNHell on 12-28-2006 11:28 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> You're right any sensible person would quit and do something else, but I've spent too much time to quit now, and I really don't have anything else to go to at the time because nothing else is that spectacular at the moment. I already have a WoW account that I play too, but the graphics are a little weak for my taste and I don't really enjoy the game as much. EoF is a great expansion and I like EQ2. What I don't like and the reason I feel like I'm paying to play beta is having an unfinished product released. It doesn't have to be perfect but at least make it playable. Lol I knew I was going to catch crap for that one. Should have gone back and edited my post lol. I agree that was a pretty stupid comment. I never said I expected a flawless release, but I do expect a playable one.

IllusiveThoughts

12-29-2006, 12:54 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaizNHell wrote: You can fix your own page file issues by simply limiting it. (cmon, thats easy) <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>lol. that would not make the memory leak issue better but in fact make it much much worse.

GMPOTU

12-29-2006, 12:59 AM

<DIV>The baazar is a station exchange server and somewhat new is it not? Maybe it is maybe it isn't, but the issue could be the merged servers. I have friends on the Nektulos server who experience the same issues as those of us on Oasis. I don't know of anyone on the entire Oasis server that does not experience the lag issues that I'm talking about. The guys from aftermath are experiencing the lag issues too and they're on yet another server. So that's three top-end raid guilds on three different servers all experiencing the same lag issues. Maybe either your server is an exception, you are very luck yourself, or your guild doesn't raid the end-game content like I described above and thus you don't really experience the lag first hand.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I may be putting my foot in my mouth here, but your sig shows that you're a 69 zerker and I'm just going to take a guess that there's a good chance you haven't tried to kill the 3rd named in freethinkers hideout yet, or attempted to fight the gardener in emerald halls yet. Why does that matter you ask? Because these are some of the encounters in which the lag is most noticable...</DIV>

RaizNHe

12-29-2006, 01:00 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GMPOTU wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaizNHell wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GMPOTU wrote: <DIV>I understand that it could be difficult to fix however the devs never let people know what they are working on. All we see are the test update note. Not to mention the fact that they're wasting resources on discussing the possibility of adding announcements system to the game when they could be using those resources to try and fix this issue. The lack of communication from the Devs is astounding to me. They should have a section of the developer round table that is labeled projects in progress or something so people can look through and see what they are working on. Right now we don't even know if they're even trying to fix the lag issue or any other of the many issues discussed on the forums because they refuse to post anything. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I guess my point is that I'm tired of always paying to play beta. This stuff should have been fixed before release but instead they're essentially "stealing" our money because they hastily purchased shelf space in the stores before they had a finished product and released an unfinished product. I don't expect a perfect expansion from day 1 of it's release but I sure as [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing hell expect to be able to at least play the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] thing when I load it up and not have to wait 3-5s between frames.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Oh sigh... another one of those "im still playing a beta" people. Please, if you are THAT unhappy that you believe you are BETA testing, please, for the love of all things holy and good in the world, CANCEL YOUR [Removed for Content] ACCOUNT! They can't just FIX everything and assure you that there will be no bugs/flaws. To expect a flawless game is just as stupid as your comment about you being involved in an EQ2 Beta. Stealing your money? You have to authorize them to charge your credit card. Once again, another absurd and stupid comment. As far as having some issues being fixed, while others are not... they have different teams of coders. Some coders are designated to certain projects and issues, the coder that may be handling this one, might not have any good news yet. Be patient, they KNOW the lag is an issue, whether they post a comprehensive timeframe / analysis / projeted cost to fix/ projected time to fix / the lines of code that must be corrected / the name of the coder making the changes / the color of said coders last bowel movement / and the name of his children's elementary school. They have other more important things to do than post updates on the forums, like... code. They know the problem is there, we know it is there, we know they are aware of it, they will fix it when a fix is available. To say "we dont even know if they are working on the lag issue" is completely silly. Of course they are working on it, its end-game raid issues, and that is what most people strive for and therefor it is a priority to fix. Message Edited by RaizNHell on 12-28-2006 11:28 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> You're right any sensible person would quit and do something else, but I've spent too much time to quit now, and I really don't have anything else to go to at the time because nothing else is that spectacular at the moment. I already have a WoW account that I play too, but the graphics are a little weak for my taste and I don't really enjoy the game as much. EoF is a great expansion and I like EQ2. What I don't like and the reason I feel like I'm paying to play beta is having an unfinished product released. It doesn't have to be perfect but at least make it playable. Lol I knew I was going to catch crap for that one. Should have gone back and edited my post lol. I agree that was a pretty stupid comment. I never said I expected a flawless release, but I do expect a playable one. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I'm kind of confused by your coloring tactics, but whatever. 1. Ok, so then if you understand that you really can't complain if you are subjecting yourself to the torture of playing this "unplayable/unfinished" game, why make a post complaining? Pretty hypocritical eh? 2. I don't find anything about this game unplayable. And being a vicitim to lag that just recently started happening in a handful of EXTREME end-game epic encounters HARDLY constitues labeling this game as "unplayable" by ANY means. While I do agree that lag issues should be fixed. Your approach and attitude towards wanting answers will get you no where quickly. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> How would you feel if the same person asking for updates on fixes was the same person calling, what is probably one of their greatest achievements in programming, an unplayable beta test.

RaizNHe

12-29-2006, 01:02 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GMPOTU wrote: <DIV>The baazar is a station exchange server and somewhat new is it not? Maybe it is maybe it isn't, but the issue could be the merged servers. I have friends on the Nektulos server who experience the same issues as those of us on Oasis. I don't know of anyone on the entire Oasis server that does not experience the lag issues that I'm talking about. The guys from aftermath are experiencing the lag issues too and they're on yet another server. So that's three top-end raid guilds on three different servers all experiencing the same lag issues. Maybe either your server is an exception, you are very luck yourself, or your guild doesn't raid the end-game content like I described above and thus you don't really experience the lag first hand.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I may be putting my foot in my mouth here, but your sig shows that you're a 69 zerker and I'm just going to take a guess that there's a good chance you haven't tried to kill the 3rd named in freethinkers hideout yet, or attempted to fight the gardener in emerald halls yet. Why does that matter you ask? Because these are some of the encounters in which the lag is most noticable...</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> That would be an incorrect assumption, I have several characters at 70, and raid regularly. FTH included. We do have the lag issues on occasion, however they are not as severe as you describe. Whether it be a case of the caught fish that by the end of the day grew to 20 ft long, or colliding packets, or poor programming.

GMPOTU

12-29-2006, 01:12 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm kind of confused by your coloring tactics, but whatever. 1. Ok, so then if you understand that you really can't complain if you are subjecting yourself to the torture of playing this "unplayable/unfinished" game, why make a post complaining? Pretty hypocritical eh? 2. I don't find anything about this game unplayable. And being a vicitim to lag that just recently started happening in a handful of EXTREME end-game epic encounters HARDLY constitues labeling this game as "unplayable" by ANY means. While I do agree that lag issues should be fixed. Your approach and attitude towards wanting answers will get you no where quickly. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> How would you feel if the same person asking for updates on fixes was the same person calling, what is probably one of their greatest achievements in programming, an unplayable beta test. Lol to be completely honest with you I'm just fed up with the way things work at SOE and don't really care if they listen or not. At the bottom of my post I wrote pps) feel free to lock the thread if you want - I'm at work with nothing to do because things are slow so I'm just venting about the issues. There's really no rhyme or reason to my post other than the fact that I'm [Removed for Content] about the lag and would like to see it fixed. And as we discussed before... I'm an [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I liked the post about the 20ft fish too by the way, but I can assure you that is not the case from my post.

RaizNHe

12-29-2006, 01:20 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GMPOTU wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BLOCKQUOTE> </BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm kind of confused by your coloring tactics, but whatever. 1. Ok, so then if you understand that you really can't complain if you are subjecting yourself to the torture of playing this "unplayable/unfinished" game, why make a post complaining? Pretty hypocritical eh? 2. I don't find anything about this game unplayable. And being a vicitim to lag that just recently started happening in a handful of EXTREME end-game epic encounters HARDLY constitues labeling this game as "unplayable" by ANY means. While I do agree that lag issues should be fixed. Your approach and attitude towards wanting answers will get you no where quickly. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> How would you feel if the same person asking for updates on fixes was the same person calling, what is probably one of their greatest achievements in programming, an unplayable beta test. Lol to be completely honest with you I'm just fed up with the way things work at SOE and don't really care if they listen or not. At the bottom of my post I wrote pps) feel free to lock the thread if you want - I'm at work with nothing to do because things are slow so I'm just venting about the issues. There's really no rhyme or reason to my post other than the fact that I'm [Removed for Content] about the lag and would like to see it fixed. And as we discussed before... I'm an [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I liked the post about the 20ft fish too by the way, but I can assure you that is not the case from my post. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> I understand, people like to vent. Just trying to give you a hypothetical view of the other side of the coin.

Dasein

12-29-2006, 01:28 AM

I play on AB, which has always been one of the most populated server. On a Weekend night, it's not unuusal for there to be 2-3 raids going in a popular zone. Despite this, I've never seen this horrible lag people are talking about. The same goes for this supposed memory leak - I'll play for 3-4 hours and zone dozens of times, and the game will run just as smoothly at the beginning of my session as at the end. <div></div>

RaizNHe

12-29-2006, 01:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caswydian wrote: I play on AB, which has always been one of the most populated server. On a Weekend night, it's not unuusal for there to be 2-3 raids going in a popular zone. Despite this, I've never seen this horrible lag people are talking about. The same goes for this supposed memory leak - I'll play for 3-4 hours and zone dozens of times, and the game will run just as smoothly at the beginning of my session as at the end. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Aye, my point exactly. Its either a case of the "big fish". Or it just doesnt effect everyone/every server.

GMPOTU

12-29-2006, 01:33 AM

<DIV>I'll try to fraps it or something so you guys can see what I'm talking about. I think you're right though. The more we talk about this the more I'm starting to think it only effects a select number of servers.</DIV>

RaizNHe

12-29-2006, 01:36 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GMPOTU wrote: <DIV>I'll try to fraps it or something so you guys can see what I'm talking about. I think you're right though. The more we talk about this the more I'm starting to think it only effects a select number of servers.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Thats what I'm saying. Problems like these are extremely hard to isolate. It could be as simple as SEVERAL guilds running raids at the same time as you. Thus over loading those particular servers. On AB where Cas is playing, there may be one or two raids in T7 the night they do these particular zones, where on your server, you might have 4 or 5. But, like I said, I'm sure they'll fix it when they can or when they know what the issue is. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

IllusiveThoughts

12-29-2006, 03:08 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caswydian wrote: The same goes for this supposed memory leak - I'll play for 3-4 hours and zone dozens of times, and the game will run just as smoothly at the beginning of my session as at the end. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Its safe to say you have more than 1 gig of ram on the system you play on. Try playing the game on the minimum requirement of 512 megs of ram, (which is pretty much unplayable and frame rate sucks no matter what vid card or processor you have) then try playing on a system with 1gig of ram, then try playing on a system with 2 gigs. I answered how most of my memory leak issues were cured with more ram (from 1 gig to 2 gigs) and even posted the same thing I had to re-itterate to you that you must of missed. The issue is that buying more ram doesn't fix the problem, it's still there, you just have enough ram to support the slow leak so that frame rates aren't affected for longer periods of time.Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 12-28-2006 02:10 PM

Dasein

12-29-2006, 04:49 AM

<hr size="2" width="100%">Its safe to say you have more than 1 gig of ram on the system you play on. Try playing the game on the minimum requirement of 512 megs of ram, (which is pretty much unplayable and frame rate sucks no matter what vid card or processor you have) then try playing on a system with 1gig of ram, then try playing on a system with 2 gigs.<hr size="2" width="100%">Actually, I have done just that, and while playing with 2gb of RAM certainly yields better overall performance than playing with 512mb, there was no noticable performance degredation over time.<div></div>

Jrral

12-29-2006, 05:28 AM

Note that there's a known issue with some of the EOF zones that contain mobs that can de-level characters. When a character's de-leveled, the server has to recompute the character (easy for one character, not so much for multiple 24-man raids in the same zone at the same time) and download the updated info to the client (major lag here no matter what). Speaking as a programmer myself, this sounds like one of those bugs that makes me groan and reach for the Advil because the fix is going to involve major surgery on critical parts of both client and server code, and possibly some not-so-minor design changes in the client.And even if it's the more minor problems, like the delayed loading/rendering of mobs, remember that it's the Christmas holiday period. Odds are good that half the dev team's taking vacation to visit family, most of CS is taking time off and the offices are a virtual ghost town and will be until after New Year's. This is not a good time to be doing bug-fixes in production. Again as a programmer myself, I'd take the position that the only way we'd roll a code change out to production this week would be for a total show-stopper bug. Total as in "All zones are completely down, game is totally 100% unplayable across the board.". Because if the fix turns out to break things, there's nobody to call in to help un-"fix" the problem. I'd rather have problems in certain zones than not even be able to log in.<div></div>

IllusiveThoughts

12-29-2006, 10:51 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caswydian wrote: <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> Its safe to say you have more than 1 gig of ram on the system you play on. Try playing the game on the minimum requirement of 512 megs of ram, (which is pretty much unplayable and frame rate sucks no matter what vid card or processor you have) then try playing on a system with 1gig of ram, then try playing on a system with 2 gigs. <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> Actually, I have done just that, and while playing with 2gb of RAM certainly yields better overall performance than playing with 512mb, there was no noticable performance degredation over time. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I think your lieing. or you just dont remember.

RaizNHe

12-29-2006, 08:11 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caswydian wrote: <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> Its safe to say you have more than 1 gig of ram on the system you play on. Try playing the game on the minimum requirement of 512 megs of ram, (which is pretty much unplayable and frame rate sucks no matter what vid card or processor you have) then try playing on a system with 1gig of ram, then try playing on a system with 2 gigs. <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> Actually, I have done just that, and while playing with 2gb of RAM certainly yields better overall performance than playing with 512mb, there was no noticable performance degredation over time. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I think your lieing. or you just dont remember. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> 'lying' And its pretty brash to just call someone out on these forums. Who are you to decide who is lying or not?

IllusiveThoughts

12-29-2006, 08:42 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaizNHell wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caswydian wrote: <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> Its safe to say you have more than 1 gig of ram on the system you play on. Try playing the game on the minimum requirement of 512 megs of ram, (which is pretty much unplayable and frame rate sucks no matter what vid card or processor you have) then try playing on a system with 1gig of ram, then try playing on a system with 2 gigs. <HR width="100%" SIZE=2> Actually, I have done just that, and while playing with 2gb of RAM certainly yields better overall performance than playing with 512mb, there was no noticable performance degredation over time. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I think your lieing. or you just dont remember. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> 'lying' And its pretty brash to just call someone out on these forums. Who are you to decide who is lying or not? <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> your interpretation of my use of the word is wrong. Notice the distict "I think" at the beginning of my reply. This indicates it is my opinion. If I had said "you are" then your response would have some merit, but since its my opinion, who are you to tell me I cant have an opinion. /boggle. lie1 <IMG src="http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/premium.gif" border=0> <IMG alt="" src="http://cache.lexico.com/dictionary/graphics/luna/thinsp.png" border=0><A href="https://secure.reference.com/premium/login.html?rd=2&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdictionary.reference.com%2Fbrowse%2 Flying" target=_blank><IMG src="http://cache.lexico.com/g/d/speaker.gif" border=0></A> /laɪ/ <A target=_blank>Pronunciation Key</A> - <A target=_blank>Show Spelled Pronunciation</A>[lahy] <A target=_blank>Pronunciation Key</A> - <A target=_blank>Show IPA Pronunciation</A> noun, verb, lied, ly·ing. <DIV>–noun 1.an inaccurate or false statement.</DIV> I have been playing eq2 for 2 years, the first 6mo or so was on a dell laptop with a 3.2 ghz p4 with HT, 128mb Nvidia geforce video card, with 512 mb of ram, the memory leak issue was such a problem that after zoning once there was so much leak into page file usage I had to play the game in the lowest possible settings, or zoneloading and even just moving around became unplayable. The lower game settings takes up less memory to run is a workaround to the memoryleak, but performace would still degrade overtime, and I found myself logging out and back in once every half hour or so. about 6 mo later I bought another 512 stick and totaled 1 gig, boy what a difference, zone loading was so much better, I could run about double the graphics settings i had with the 512 stick, with no other changes to the pc, the kicker is with the higher graphics settings caused additional mem leak into page file usage, and a couple zones later the lag was back, so I ended up running on the lowest settings again to counteract the lag, this continued for another 3 mo or so until I sold the lapop and bought an alienware one. My current alien ware laptop at the time had a 3.6 ghz p4 with HT 1 gig of 533mhz ddr dual channel ram, and a 256 nvidia 6600 Ultra, the better video card could handle slightly better settings than the dell one, but the memory leak problem was still there, I had to zone out and back in before any instance runs, before any raids, after raids, after instances, if I had my settings cranked up, I'd have to log out and back in if I zoned with them or my page file usage would creep up over 1200 mb and anytime it got to 900 or higher I'd have to log. I dealt with this for about 5 more months until I decided to buy another gig stick recently, best decision ever, now I can run with shadows (which was a dream before) in qharbor with minimal lag, zone loading times are about 2x as fast WITH the higher settings, now it tends to plataue with page file usage at about 1500 or so, but on raids it can get up to 1800 and it starts getting laggy again in that senario. Not to mention I have played eq2 on a host of other machines (not just my 2) for the past 2 years, and any machine that didn't have 1.5gigs or higher of ram suffered terribly because of the memory leak issue. All my friends that I've played with that dont have this much ram pretty much renders the game unplayable, or it looks so horrible from reduced settings it makes you want to not play it. I'm not just making this up, nor am I the only one who has had issues like this, it is a game wide problem, so when someone tells me they have gone through the same things I have and not experienced any issues, they either forgot or are lieing. plain and simple. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 12-29-2006 07:44 AMMessage Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 12-29-2006 07:59 AM

RaizNHe

12-29-2006, 09:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> IllusiveThoughts wrote: Not to mention I have played eq2 on a host of other machines (not just my 2) for the past 2 years, and any machine that didn't have 1.5gigs or higher of ram suffered terribly because of the memory leak issue. All my friends that I've played with that dont have this much ram pretty much renders the game unplayable, or it looks so horrible from reduced settings it makes you want to not play it. I'm not just making this up, nor am I the only one who has had issues like this, it is a game wide problem, so when someone tells me they have gone through the same things I have and not experienced any issues, they either forgot or are lieing. plain and simple. Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 12-29-2006 07:44 AM Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 12-29-2006 07:59 AM <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> "your interpretation of my use of the word is wrong. Notice the distict "I think" at the beginning of my reply. This indicates it is my opinion. If I had said "you are" then your response would have some merit, but since its my opinion, who are you to tell me I cant have an opinion. /boggle." Ok, I use a laptop with 768 megs and a 64 MB ATI Mobility 9700 to play a heal mule. I don't have any problems after HOURS of gameplay on it. Are you going to call me a liar too? And btw, just because you say "I think" you're lying. You're still calling them a liar. Thats just a really really really idiotic thing to say. Your 'opinion' is that he is liar, therefore, when you post "i think you are a liar". YOU ARE CALLING HIM A LIAR! YOU DID IT AGAIN AT THE END OF YOUR POST. Some people... Just because YOU have a problem, doesn't mean others will. Ever think your memory leak could be due to your system setup? I have 2 systems for EQ2, one with 1gig, one with 768 megs. I never have problems either after marathon sessions.

12-30-2006, 12:01 AM

<DIV>Server-side lag VS. Client-side lag</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Knowledge will set you free.</DIV>

mikemcmodmi

12-30-2006, 12:29 AM

I think he's lying too. Lying about raiding endgame content and not getting lag on mobs like Mayong, and lying about being able to play this game on 512 ram. What guild and what toon have to tried Mayong on. Give us your name so we can look you up on Stationplayers. Sometimes people are just so bored they like to troll the forums. This is an obvious example of someone having a legitimate concern and people arguing against him just trolling with no clue [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] they're talking about.

IllusiveThoughts

12-30-2006, 12:41 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> RaizNHell wrote: Ok, I use a laptop with 768 megs and a 64 MB ATI Mobility 9700 to play a heal mule. I don't have any problems after HOURS of gameplay on it. Are you going to call me a liar too? <HR> Yes. <HR> RaizNHell wrote: And btw, just because you say "I think" you're lying. You're still calling them a liar. Thats just a really really really idiotic thing to say. Your 'opinion' is that he is liar, therefore, when you post "i think you are a liar". YOU ARE CALLING HIM A LIAR! YOU DID IT AGAIN AT THE END OF YOUR POST. <HR> and whats your point? I think he or she was lieing, I think you're lieing now to troll. I have a right to not believe what you're saying as do you have the exact same thing. Saying I dont believe someone based off the 2 liner response and one liner response you gave me is not a personal attack either. You haven't and the previous poster hasn't given enough information to convince me. <HR> RaizNHell wrote: Some people... Just because YOU have a problem, doesn't mean others will. Ever think your memory leak could be due to your system setup? I have 2 systems for EQ2, one with 1gig, one with 768 megs. I never have problems either after marathon sessions. <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> To answer this portion I must refer you to the last part of my reply whit it appears you omitted. <HR> Illusivethoughts wrote: Not to mention I have played eq2 on a host of other machines (not just my 2) for the past 2 years, and any machine that didn't have 1.5gigs or higher of ram suffered terribly because of the memory leak issue. All my friends that I've played with that dont have this much ram pretty much renders the game unplayable, or it looks so horrible from reduced settings it makes you want to not play it. I'm not just making this up, nor am I the only one who has had issues like this, it is a game wide problem, so when someone tells me they have gone through the same things I have and not experienced any issues, they either forgot or are lieing. plain and simple. <HR>

Dasein

12-30-2006, 09:49 AM

1. I make it a point not to give out any information that might directly link me to my character. I am wary even of giving out what class and what server I play on. If this means you take my views less seriously, so be it. Your own poor logic is not my concern. 2. If you think I am lying because my experience differes from yours, there's really nothing I can do about that. It is not my fault that you chose to simply dismiss inconsistent data. The simple fact is, I have played with 512mb, 1gb and 2gb RAM. While I obviously had to play with much lower settings when using only 512mb RAM, I did not notice the sort of performance degradation associated with a memory leak. I could play for easily 4-5 hours and not see much change in performance. 3. I have never claimed to have raided Mayong, but it is entirely possible that there is some issue with the way this encounter is scripted that is causing lag. <div></div>

GMPOTU

12-30-2006, 07:24 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jabs wrote: <DIV>Server-side lag VS. Client-side lag</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Knowledge will set you free.</DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> Jabs probably has one of the best points here. What the majority of us who have huge lag issues are experiencing is Server-side lag which may very well constitute why Caswy and RaizN are claiming to not experience the same levels of lag. I originally started this post because I was bored at work and wanted to vent about how [Removed for Content] I was about this lag, but the post has developed into a good discussion. Some things that I have noticed.... The lag is the absolute worst when Mayong uses his Deleveling move, it last about a solid 3-4s. (By the way beat Mayong last night for 3rd WW), =) , also the lag seems to be the worst any time a mob in EoF uses a charm, and finally it seems to be the worst when a mob uses the Massive Magical AE weather it be Treylochs (3rd named in FTH) Reaching Rot, or D'Morte's (boss FTH) final blow. All of these seem to be the hugest factors in causing the enormous lag. Someone posted that he is a programer and that the deleveling has to be recalculated and transfered from the server to the client. I can definitely see how this could use a lot of resources but only one person is being deleveled not 24. This may give way to why the lag happens with large AE's too. When the AE only hits like 1-2 people we don't get a lot of lag but when it hits like 10 people we get the lag. Possibly because the server is bogged down at the instant trying to quickly proccess the data of 10 players receiving the effect and then attempting to shoot the information back to 24 players? I don't know anything about programing really so I couldn't tell you, but from the looks of it and evaluating what that one guy said about the deleving this might be why Charm and Deleveling causes large lag spikes. Mayong's Delevel = 3-4s of Lag 1 delevel happening Courtesan Charm(MMIS trash) = 4-6s of Lag 2-3 charms happening Gardener Charm (EoF level 2 named) = 6-8s of Lag, 4-6 charms happening --------------------- As far as the memory leak goes.... In T5 and T6 of EQ2 I noticed the memory leak in a HUGE way. I'd have to reboot every 4hrs or so. It seems to have gotten better for me personally though. I don't really notice the degradation that much now although I'm sure that is still there somewhat which is why I occasionally reboot. I pretty much reboot when my ventrilo starts lagging lol. What I don't get is why on Oasis we have so much lag in rendering though. I was in qeynos harbor the other day and I ran from the docks to the broker. I sat at the broker for literally 15 or more seconds no lie, before anything appeared on my screen. I ran over there, nothing was there so I waited what I would estimate to be 3-5s and still nothing, then I decided to start counting how long it would be before something showed up, I counted about 11-12 mississippi before the broker appeared!!! (I was in extreme performance) I pretty much always play in extreme performance unless I just want to check out some cool gear, then I only play in balanced, and that's only if I'm in a heroic zone or group. I'm running on a 2.8Ghz P4 with HT, 2 gigs of Kingston DDR400 in dual-channel setup, and an OC'd BFG 6800 ultra 256MB GFX card (AGP). My computer is not the best of the best but it almost tripples the minimum reqs and doubles the recommended and I'm not able to enjoyably play the game in the lowest graphical settings at times. I think most of it is server lag, but when I turn up the graphics to Balanced or high quality all these lag issues multiply even worse (I could probably make a sandwich between frames while raiding). Other in my guild experience all the same issues on Mayong and Charmers etc (server lag) and QH and they have core2duo systems with 512MB gfx cards etc.. So anyway that's about all I have for this post until someone places some more feedback.. ps. I'm back at work today until 2pm EST =P pps. A good friend of mine from hollywood who knows "some people" said that he heard the next expansion following EoF is the last one planned for EQ2 currently by SOE, WoW is kicking their [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] so they are going to be focusing all of their funding on Vanguard after the next expansion in roughly a year from now....This is just hersay at this point but I would not be surprised at all if this is accurate. ie. If you're thinking about quitting the game you might as well quit now and sell your account on station exchange while people are still willing to pay a lot for a decked out toon. As for me I'm too addicted to let go of all the time I've already spent. My friend who gave me the information has decided to quit already after finding out the info and asked me to call him if I get into another cool game after this one ends.

Caetrel

12-30-2006, 10:34 PM

<hr size="2" width="100%">A good friend of mine from hollywood who knows "some people" said that he heard the next expansion following EoF is the last one planned for EQ2 <hr size="2" width="100%">Ooo, do they know if Brangelina is gonna have another baby? <div></div>

GMPOTU

12-30-2006, 10:44 PM

<DIV>Lol I no clue about the Brangelina thing Caetrel</DIV>

Mr. Dawki

12-30-2006, 10:55 PM

your talking about a game that prossesses information from servers all over the world and manages to get maby .5 seconds of lag every now and then when 5 guilds are all in the same zone you are an electron, you start in england, you run to your england server, then to a switch then to an american server, then to SOE HQ, then sync with all the other electron in the world making similar trips, then you go back to your starting location switching between isp servers the whole way do you honestly think there is a way to completly get rid of lag? in any large scale, world wide, game enviorment you will have lag eq1, eq2, halo2, counterstrike, unreal tournament, tribes 1 & 2....all great games, all had lag deal with it or as my guild leader would say SU&P!

GMPOTU

12-31-2006, 12:35 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mr. Dawkins wrote: your talking about a game that prossesses information from servers all over the world and manages to get maby .5 seconds of lag every now and then when 5 guilds are all in the same zone you are an electron, you start in england, you run to your england server, then to a switch then to an american server, then to SOE HQ, then sync with all the other electron in the world making similar trips, then you go back to your starting location switching between isp servers the whole way do you honestly think there is a way to completly get rid of lag? in any large scale, world wide, game enviorment you will have lag eq1, eq2, halo2, counterstrike, unreal tournament, tribes 1 & 2....all great games, all had lag deal with it or as my guild leader would say SU&P! <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Hello? The post is about the fact that we're getting consistent spikes of 3-5s. 0.5s is manageable, 3-5 is stupid. SU&R (Shut up and read)