MOA X4 RAID, NEEDS TO BE FIXED

[Headspace]

<DIV>Okwe been attempting this raid for the past 3 weeks an the last dragon is imposible to beat. He keeps 1 shotting the complete raid no matter how high of resist you have.  This issue has been happening ever since EOF. We had never had this issue happen before so can the Dev's please take a look at this ... thank you</DIV>

[Teksun]

We hit this last night. No problem til we got to the 11k AOE. That was LOTS of fun <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Ankle Biter]

<P>Hehe, I guess Zones and Population would fit better for this topic.</P> <P><A href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=118944" target=_blank>http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=118944</A></P>

[genesis013]

Our guild blew through this zone 2 days ago with no problems at all...

[Raeyel]

I have a hard time believing anyone is going through this zone with no problems. It is fine until the dragon. My guild just did this tonight and the dragon was still one shotting significant portions of the raid on the initial AE hit, not to mention the ticks on the DoT. Both times we've tried the dragon since EoF, the tanks have complained if it meleeing for 4-6k/hit. This is extremely overpowered considering what it was like before EoF. The way it is now, the healers simply do not have time to cure the dot for those that manage to survive the first hit. I have posted elsewhere about this since late November (the last time we tried it, with similar results) and have seen no response. Please let us know if it is being looked at! <div></div>

[Urglu]

<P>I have not been in there since EoF launched, but it's clear from the posts that the dragon AE is broken.  How then are people beating him "easily?"</P> <P>Well either:</P> <P>1) they lied</P> <P>2) the bug isn't always present</P> <P>3) these guilds had the rare combination of 4 bards with the anti-AE AA, the proper guild level to buy the anti-AE signet, and high enough dps to drop the dragon fairly quickly.  With the signet and bard AAs I assume they bought themselves enough time to burn the dragon before he could nail most of the raid with an AE. </P>

[Zliten]

<div></div>Hi everyone.I found with a little help what was causing Talendor to be so much harder. I have fixed it, but it may take a few days to make it to the live servers. His "Fire Breath" should no longer just destroy a raid.Thank you for your helping in reporting the issue.Zliten<div></div><p>Message Edited by Zliten on <span class=date_text>12-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:33 PM</span>

[Ankle Biter]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zliten wrote:<BR>Hi everyone.<BR>I found with a little help what was causing Talendor to be so much harder. I have fixed it, but it may take a few days to make it to the live servers. His "Fire Breath" should no longer just destroy a raid.<BR><BR>Thank you for your helping in reporting the issue.<BR><BR><BR>Zliten<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Cool, Thanks for the update!!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Does this also fix The Guardian of Leadership's AOE?</DIV>

[Zliten]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ankle Biter wrote:<div> <blockquote> <hr> Zliten wrote:Hi everyone.I found with a little help what was causing Talendor to be so much harder. I have fixed it, but it may take a few days to make it to the live servers. His "Fire Breath" should no longer just destroy a raid.Thank you for your helping in reporting the issue.Zliten <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Cool, Thanks for the update!!</div> <div> </div> <div>Does this also fix The Guardian of Leadership's AOE?</div><hr></blockquote>I only found and fixed Talendor's Fire Breath. If that is from another NPC I will have to know what one.</div><p>Message Edited by Zliten on <span class=date_text>12-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:34 PM</span>

[Ankle Biter]

<P> </P><p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:13 PM</span>

[Headspace]

<DIV>Yes please take a look at the Dragon in MOA x4 raid zone, he basically doing the same 1 shotting the complete raid everytime.</DIV>

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ankle Biter wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Zliten wrote: <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Ankle Biter wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Zliten wrote:Hi everyone.I found with a little help what was causing Talendor to be so much harder. I have fixed it, but it may take a few days to make it to the live servers. His "Fire Breath" should no longer just destroy a raid.Thank you for your helping in reporting the issue.Zliten <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Cool, Thanks for the update!!</div> <div> </div> <div>Does this also fix The Guardian of Leadership's AOE?</div> <hr> </blockquote>I only found and fixed Talendor's Fire Breath. If that is from another NPC I will have to know what one.</div> <p>Message Edited by Zliten on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:34 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote>Ahh, I see why this thread is confusing. Some of the posts are on MOAx4 and some are on AOAx4. You responded to the AOAx4.</div> <div> </div> <div>The guardian of Leadership is hitting raids for very exessive amounts as well. The attack appears to be Burden of the Wyrmkin which is a mental attack AoE DoT. When it hits about 50% to 75% of the raid force insta dies or dies so fast they can't get the cure off. Below you can see that it hit me for 5200 and 1 second later hit me for another 10000. The tank was getting hit with huge crushing dmg extremely fast as well.</div> <div> </div> <div> <div>Conjurer (Me) 5000ish hps, Mental resist was around 4500:Time           Combatant                               Attack Type                    Damage Type  Damage   Critical8:45:19 PM  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin  mental              5237          False8:45:20 PM  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin  mental              10441        False8:45:24 PM  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin  mental              1763          False</div> <div> </div> <div>Main Tank (11000+hps):Time       Combatant                             Attack Type                     Damage Type  Damage    </div> <div>8:45:46  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          29998:45:47  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          34598:45:48  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          54678:45:50  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          36548:45:50  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Death               Death</div> <div> </div> <div>Not sure why the crushing that was hitting the MT shows as the Burden of the Wyrmkin as well... As you can see he took around 15k dmg in 4 seconds here. Previous hit to the 8:45:46 hit was at 8:45:42 so there was a couple second break before the rapid beating <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The rest of MOAx4 seemed fine, just The Guardian of Leadership that was hitting to hard/much/whatever. </div></div> <div> </div> <div>More discussion on it here: <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=118944" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=118944</a></div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks for your extremely fast response to my first post.</div> <p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:41 PM</span></p> <p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:48 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:49 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>4500 resists is extremely low</div>

[arielelf]

<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Ankle Biter wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Zliten wrote: <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Ankle Biter wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Zliten wrote:Hi everyone.I found with a little help what was causing Talendor to be so much harder. I have fixed it, but it may take a few days to make it to the live servers. His "Fire Breath" should no longer just destroy a raid.Thank you for your helping in reporting the issue.Zliten <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Cool, Thanks for the update!!</div> <div> </div> <div>Does this also fix The Guardian of Leadership's AOE?</div> <hr> </blockquote>I only found and fixed Talendor's Fire Breath. If that is from another NPC I will have to know what one.</div> <p>Message Edited by Zliten on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:34 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote>Ahh, I see why this thread is confusing. Some of the posts are on MOAx4 and some are on AOAx4. You responded to the AOAx4.</div> <div> </div> <div>The guardian of Leadership is hitting raids for very exessive amounts as well. The attack appears to be Burden of the Wyrmkin which is a mental attack AoE DoT. When it hits about 50% to 75% of the raid force insta dies or dies so fast they can't get the cure off. Below you can see that it hit me for 5200 and 1 second later hit me for another 10000. The tank was getting hit with huge crushing dmg extremely fast as well.</div> <div> </div> <div> <div>Conjurer (Me) 5000ish hps, Mental resist was around 4500:Time           Combatant                               Attack Type                    Damage Type  Damage   Critical8:45:19 PM  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin  mental              5237          False8:45:20 PM  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin  mental              10441        False8:45:24 PM  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin  mental              1763          False</div> <div> </div> <div>Main Tank (11000+hps):Time       Combatant                             Attack Type                     Damage Type  Damage    </div> <div>8:45:46  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          29998:45:47  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          34598:45:48  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          54678:45:50  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          36548:45:50  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Death               Death</div> <div> </div> <div>Not sure why the crushing that was hitting the MT shows as the Burden of the Wyrmkin as well... As you can see he took around 15k dmg in 4 seconds here. Previous hit to the 8:45:46 hit was at 8:45:42 so there was a couple second break before the rapid beating <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The rest of MOAx4 seemed fine, just The Guardian of Leadership that was hitting to hard/much/whatever. </div></div> <div> </div> <div>More discussion on it here: <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=118944" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=118944</a></div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks for your extremely fast response to my first post.</div> <p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:41 PM</span></p> <p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:48 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:49 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>4500 resists is extremely low</div><hr></blockquote>I'm in the same guild as da anklebiter and was in the MT group that night.  The MT group had their mental resist up to 6k and it made not one lick of difference.  Like Rolma said, our MT took about 11k in crushing damage in a like 2 seconds.  /shrug Something is seriously wrong with The Guardian of Leadership.  </div>

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>arielelf wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Ankle Biter wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Zliten wrote: <div></div> <div> <blockquote> <hr> Ankle Biter wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Zliten wrote:Hi everyone.I found with a little help what was causing Talendor to be so much harder. I have fixed it, but it may take a few days to make it to the live servers. His "Fire Breath" should no longer just destroy a raid.Thank you for your helping in reporting the issue.Zliten <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>Cool, Thanks for the update!!</div> <div> </div> <div>Does this also fix The Guardian of Leadership's AOE?</div> <hr> </blockquote>I only found and fixed Talendor's Fire Breath. If that is from another NPC I will have to know what one.</div> <p>Message Edited by Zliten on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:34 PM</span> </p><hr> </blockquote>Ahh, I see why this thread is confusing. Some of the posts are on MOAx4 and some are on AOAx4. You responded to the AOAx4.</div> <div> </div> <div>The guardian of Leadership is hitting raids for very exessive amounts as well. The attack appears to be Burden of the Wyrmkin which is a mental attack AoE DoT. When it hits about 50% to 75% of the raid force insta dies or dies so fast they can't get the cure off. Below you can see that it hit me for 5200 and 1 second later hit me for another 10000. The tank was getting hit with huge crushing dmg extremely fast as well.</div> <div> </div> <div> <div>Conjurer (Me) 5000ish hps, Mental resist was around 4500:Time           Combatant                               Attack Type                    Damage Type  Damage   Critical8:45:19 PM  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin  mental              5237          False8:45:20 PM  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin  mental              10441        False8:45:24 PM  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin  mental              1763          False</div> <div> </div> <div>Main Tank (11000+hps):Time       Combatant                             Attack Type                     Damage Type  Damage    </div> <div>8:45:46  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          29998:45:47  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          34598:45:48  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          54678:45:50  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Crushing          36548:45:50  The Guardian of Leadership   Burden of the Wyrmkin   Death               Death</div> <div> </div> <div>Not sure why the crushing that was hitting the MT shows as the Burden of the Wyrmkin as well... As you can see he took around 15k dmg in 4 seconds here. Previous hit to the 8:45:46 hit was at 8:45:42 so there was a couple second break before the rapid beating <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> The rest of MOAx4 seemed fine, just The Guardian of Leadership that was hitting to hard/much/whatever. </div></div> <div> </div> <div>More discussion on it here: <a href="http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=118944" target="_blank">http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=combat&message.id=118944</a></div> <div> </div> <div>Thanks for your extremely fast response to my first post.</div> <p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:41 PM</span></p> <p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:48 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class="date_text">12-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:49 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>4500 resists is extremely low</div><hr></blockquote>I'm in the same guild as da anklebiter and was in the MT group that night.  The MT group had their mental resist up to 6k and it made not one lick of difference.  Like Rolma said, our MT took about 11k in crushing damage in a like 2 seconds.  /shrug Something is seriously wrong with The Guardian of Leadership.  </div><hr></blockquote>mental resists dont affect crushing dmg, that is mit.</div>

[Ankle Biter]

<P> </P><p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:13 PM</span>

[Boli32]

<div></div><div></div>nevermind<p>Message Edited by boli on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:53 PM</span>

[kenm]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ankle Biter wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <div></div> <div></div><blockquote><p>Vyemm doesn't even hit that hard, and I had thought Vyemm was supposed to be harder than this guy???</p></blockquote><hr></blockquote>You're right, they should make Vyemm harder.</div>

[arielelf]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>arielelf wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>4500 resists is extremely low</blockquote></div><hr></blockquote>I'm in the same guild as da anklebiter and was in the MT group that night.  The MT group had their mental resist up to 6k and it made not one lick of difference.  Like Rolma said, our MT took about 11k in crushing damage in a like 2 seconds.  /shrug Something is seriously wrong with The Guardian of Leadership.  </div><hr></blockquote>mental resists dont affect crushing dmg, that is mit.</div><hr></blockquote>I didn't say that mental resists affect crushing damage.  My apologies if that was confusing.  There are two issues: an AE Mental DoT that does 10k+ damage and a Crushing attack that lays out 15k+ damage in a couple of seconds.  Many people had their mental resists maxxed and they still took a whole lot of damage and lived only a couple seconds longer then those who did not have their resists maxed.  The second issue was the amount of crushing damage he was laying out.  Our tank is raid geared but absorbing 15k in crushing damage is hard to do period. It appears the bug is intermitten.  You get lucky or unlucky. Intermitten bugs have happened frequently throughout the history of EQ 2.  (Thinking about Darathar here when he was bugged, you could zone in and out and until you got an unbugged version.)Anyways, there is very little point in arguing about this and acting like we don't know what we are talking about and we are just some noobs who suck so bad we couldn't take out an easy dragon. We have successfully completed the MoA 4 raid zone many times.  This is the first time we have attempted it since EoF came out. Many raid zones/mobs have had issues.  This one is no different. I don't believe doing 10k in mental damage in one shot is something that is intended for a raid mob of that level.  I hope the developers look into it. </div><p>Message Edited by arielelf on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:35 AM</span>

[Ilucide]

Might want to think about your positioning - the Guardian of Leadership is 100% doable by an organized group of folks. <div></div>

[Andu]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> arielelf wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> I don't believe doing 10k in mental damage in one shot is something that is intended for a raid mob of that level.  I hope the developers look into it. <BR><BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>I think you've had your answer :smileyvery-happy:<BR>

[FlintAH]

OT: Why do ppl keep calling it moa x4?  There isnt a MoA x3 or x2 or x10.<div></div>

[Kleev]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR>Might want to think about your positioning - the Guardian of Leadership is 100% doable by an organized group of folks.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>how is positioning going to save a raid from a raid wide aoe dot that wipes 75% of the ppl within 2 to 3 ticks if that?  This isn't supposed to be an end game raid mob...

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:OT: Why do ppl keep calling it moa x4?  There isnt a MoA x3 or x2 or x10.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Because it's Trial 4 of the MoA.

[Ankle Biter]

<P> </P><p>Message Edited by Ankle Biter on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:14 PM</span>

[Starness]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Kleever wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR>Might want to think about your positioning - the Guardian of Leadership is 100% doable by an organized group of folks.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>how is positioning going to save a raid from a raid wide aoe dot that wipes 75% of the ppl within 2 to 3 ticks if that?  This isn't supposed to be an end game raid mob...<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Because you can probably avoid the AE entirely if you try. Did it once since EoF and it was definately doable.

[arielelf]

<div></div>I feel sorry for all the poor folks that aren't geared up or in a good guild.  Gonna be [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] tuff for them.  Thanks for the input.  Just wanted to add that I think it's really strange that this dragon, a mob that is a completion of a quest, in a zone that isn't designed for loot or for raiding on a regular basis, is currently harder then many of the raid mobs in the tier 7 raid zones.  Just seems...odd..that a raid in which usually turns out to be a pick up raid...is set up to be so challenging. It seems if they wanted to bring back some challenging content to the game they would have done it in a place where hard core raiders frequent rather then just your average folks in the game. Just seems...odd.  I<div></div><p>Message Edited by arielelf on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:07 AM</span>

[Dasein]

I've not had much problem with the AoE, our problem has been with the Guardian hitting our tank for easily 5k plus on each hit. There's simply no way our healers can keep up with that sort of damage. Debuffing works a bit, but usually the fight is over before the debuffs have a chance to land.<div></div>

[MeridianR]

I fail to believe that even without debuffs, a properly setup raid tank would get hit for 5k from the mob.  Let alone after the mob has been debuffed properly.Unless someone can post some logs stating as such, I am going to have to go with the opinion that people just aren't setting up the raid properly.<div></div>

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Caswydian wrote:I've not had much problem with the AoE, our problem has been with the Guardian hitting our tank for easily 5k plus on each hit. There's simply no way our healers can keep up with that sort of damage. Debuffing works a bit, but usually the fight is over before the debuffs have a chance to land.<div></div><hr></blockquote>If that is the case, have a tank pull it with some sort of buff (or skill) that allows them to absorb these hits.....then debuff during this time, and have another tank ready to take over....For example - a monk might be of good use here</div>

[Teksun]

<div><blockquote><hr>Ilucide wrote:Might want to think about your positioning - the Guardian of Leadership is 100% doable by an organized group of folks. <div></div><hr></blockquote>If that's the case, I guess I'm throughwith this quest. I see no reason in taking the time to spend the time RE-learning how to kill a dragon when I already have better gear.We defeated him 6-7 times before EOF, no problem at all, and were expecting to be able to do it again. I'd rather spend the time learning a repeatable mob that actually drops loot</div>

[wullailhuit]

<div><blockquote><hr>Teksun wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Ilucide wrote:Might want to think about your positioning - the Guardian of Leadership is 100% doable by an organized group of folks. <div></div><hr></blockquote>If that's the case, I guess I'm throughwith this quest. I see no reason in taking the time to spend the time RE-learning how to kill a dragon when I already have better gear.We defeated him 6-7 times before EOF, no problem at all, and were expecting to be able to do it again. I'd rather spend the time learning a repeatable mob that actually drops loot</div><hr></blockquote>Killed him with a pickup raid recently , most of the players weren't raid geared....it IS possible,</div>

[LardLord]

<DIV>We killed him on the 12th.  Looking through the parse, the most damage the AE dealt was 6739 to a level 69 Bruiser.  No one at 70 was hit for more than 6100.  I don't know what our resists were at, but we didn't make a big deal of swapping to resist gear.   Our tank only took ~490 INC DPS...seemed about as easy as ever for us.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EDIT: On second thought, I guess that INC DPS number does seem kinda high.  For comparison, Venekor only did about 420 INC DPS to our tank later than night in HoS...Venekor does kinda hit like a little girl, though :smileyindifferent:</DIV><p>Message Edited by LardLord on <span class=date_text>12-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:19 AM</span>

[arielelf]

Cool, I'm glad it's working out for folks.   I'm sure this guy is just waaaay down on the list for being looked at.   We'll figure it out. <div></div>

[ca]

<P>The guy is doable by an organized raid group still, problem is this is at the end of a quest line and there is no reason other than finishing this quest to go in, that means that once the main raiding guilds are finished getting there they have no reason to go back in for people that aren't in their guild.</P> <P>This leaves only people outside of good raid guilds that need it done and now cannot get it done, sure if you happen to get a pick up raid with great mastered healers and a fabled tank youre set but how many people get that kind of pick-up raid?</P> <P>Pre EoF I was in 7 seperate succesful raids and now that I actually NEED it I can't get a pick up raid that can kill this stupid dragon, tough is OK but when it requires 4 groups of well organized and high end equipped people to beat it isn't really a quest anymore, at the very least drop some loot in there so the raid guilds have a reason to run people through.</P>

[Altiere]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ilucide wrote:<BR>Might want to think about your positioning - the Guardian of Leadership is 100% doable by an organized group of folks.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Well ok.... except that the pathing sucks and it's a crap shoot. We did this for the 1st time in many months, the other night, and when we finally got to the guardian we were prepared. MT with near 13k HP and high mit, a bard with AE resist AA line in each grp, and most of us with a signet to avoid the 2nd AE, plus a cleric in 3/4 grps to grp cure the mental AE. Good eh? No, not really. On the pull, and we did position intelligently, the dragon paths into the wall and no matter what we try to do pets are unable to attack and we're unable to use positional attacks (rear). Used to happen to us a lot in Lab of Vyemm as well. Anyway, that crap sucks. I'd rather you use miniature models that don't do that crap instead of trying to go for the 'ooooo!' factor with the mega models.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>BTW - the zone is a little bit harder now, but doable as long as crap like that doesn't happen to you.</DIV>