Darathar, Server of, well, umm, hmmm,ok, 49 people on evil side at peek time using /who all

[bongolongo]

<DIV>For some time now, there has been an issue of population on the Darathar server (europe). Many complaints have been made, many accusations tossed towards the SOE corporation. But ,sadly, as yet, i have not found an answer from SOE. So, without, further ado, i issue, a request, as posted below.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Please, to the best of your (SOE) abillity, answer the questions below, with honesty, integrity, including what you believe to be workable timelines.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>1. Do you, SOE, as a paid service provider,  intend to do anything about the lack of population on the Darather server "49-120 " evil side peek time.?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>2. Do you, SOE, as a paid service provider,  intend to Delegate a G.M. for the Darathar server. As Obviously, there isnt one ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>3.Do you , SOE, as a paid service provider,  expect the players on Darathar to quit  or re-roll and save you the expense of re-locating these accounts to a server that has an adequate population?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>4. Do you, SOE, as a paid service provider,  expect us to be able to maintain and progress on a server that has no economy? (when i say no economy, i mean such as, no food or drink on broker) and where, the only way of buying that 50plat + master is to accept the secretly whispered "buy gold at" that you get every 15 mins ?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>5. What timeline do you , SOE, as a service provider, Put on the resolution of the Darathar server problem?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>6. What, timeline do you,SOE, as a service provider, Put on the longevity of this game when you clearly only have consideration for pounds, pence, dollars and cents?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I believe these are fair questions that the subscribers currently entombed on Darathar have the right to be answered. Plz, if you wish to flame this post, do, but bare in mind, if your not locked into the Darathar pvp server, you cant possibly know what is like to have to roll an alt and lvl to the reqiured crafting lvl to make items for your main, because there is no one left on the server that can make gear at the lvl you require./ Angelmancer lvl 70 necro/alch</DIV>

[Fews]

<DIV>I don't play on the european server. So I cannot truely know your pain.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But the way you phrased it, won't likely entice a SOE response. Perhaps you meant to throw words focusing on the corporation itself. the corporation providing a service, and infering you expect more and if not they are deliquent. Looks like you want to sue or scare. So not likely get a response that way. If you meant to do otherwise, perhaps other words would have worked, just as a native english speaker, thats how your words come across. The words sound demanding, but thats probably your intent. Is so, you probably won't hear a peep from Sony, and I wouldn't blame them a bit.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>EQ2 hasn't had a growing population for a long time. PVP is a nitch, Europe for SOE is smaller market at this time.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Providing a service, does not mean they will provide other customers for you to play with. Nor are they responsible to. The lack of demand is more likely to provide less service than more. They would love more customers playing on your server.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>No company is going to tell you if they are planning to phase out a game. Most MMORPG never "phase out", they consolidate and new content is dimished, so that monetary inflow and outflow balance. EQ1 is still up, etc.(It may even have more population than eq2). If vanguard, bombs, it will still be up for years, even if it only has tens of thousands of customers. If it succeeds more servers will be added.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I don't think anonymous users show up in who all count. Not totally sure.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Customer Service is expensive for games. Won't run the math, but it adds up quick if they have humans responding for much time to each customer. Our monthly fees only go so far. Picture paying: Equipment capitalization, bandwidth, customer support, "profit"/overhead, designers, office space, etc. It adds up and is worse the less customers you have.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Concerning #4, yes they don't have a great economic system, EOF is getting it better. But that 50plat master only buyable by violating EULA and getting plat through a 3rd party, well if people didn't violate the EULA, then the seller wouldn't get his 50 plat, and his price would drop and there would be less farmers. Or your toon could be at the wrong end of the economic cycle and not providing items of sufficient value to earn plat to spend on what you desire. If the items sellls someone earned the plat, even if the end buyer bought the plat. Someone had to play/bot the game to get the plat that in aggregate can make the purchase.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you don't like the server you are on, and are not stuck on a station-exchange server, you can fork over bucks and transfer. If not you have to reroll. They need some barriers to moves(Though the SE barrier needs to be modified to allow toons that been on server for years without ownership change to be movable)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>When you chose the server you chose, there was a risk to it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can understand the pain not to see more people on your server to share the experience with, and if that pain is too much then you may want to look at starting up at a high pop server and fight the lag(from the pop and from being remote to server)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>The other choice is for you to drum up friends in europe to play with you on the server.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Don't know if any of this helps you.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Best of luck</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN> </DIV> <P>Message Edited by Fewson on <SPAN class=date_text>11-21-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>12:00 PM</SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by Fewson on <span class=date_text>11-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:03 PM</span>

[Killerbee3000]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>bongolongo wrote:<div>For some time now, there has been an issue of population on the Darathar server (europe). Many complaints have been made, many accusations tossed towards the SOE corporation. But ,sadly, as yet, i have not found an answer from SOE. So, without, further ado, i issue, a request, as posted below.</div> <div> </div> <div>Please, to the best of your (SOE) abillity, answer the questions below, with honesty, integrity, including what you believe to be workable timelines.</div> <div> </div> <div>1. Do you, SOE, as a paid service provider,  intend to do anything about the lack of population on the Darather server "49-120 " evil side peek time.?</div> <div><font color="#ff0000">first... all people anon and role dont count... second.. the last time i've seen an advertisment for eq2 was in dec 2004...</font> </div> <div>2. Do you, SOE, as a paid service provider,  intend to Delegate a G.M. for the Darathar server. As Obviously, there isnt one ?</div> <div> <font color="#ff0000">if the number of players is as low as you claim... then ahem... there is no need for a gm...</font></div> <div>3.Do you , SOE, as a paid service provider,  expect the players on Darathar to quit  or re-roll and save you the expense of re-locating these accounts to a server that has an adequate population?</div> <div> <font color="#ff0000">eq2 was never popular in europe... so ahem... start over on a us server.....</font></div> <div>4. Do you, SOE, as a paid service provider,  expect us to be able to maintain and progress on a server that has no economy? (when i say no economy, i mean such as, no food or drink on broker) and where, the only way of buying that 50plat + master is to accept the secretly whispered "buy gold at" that you get every 15 mins ?</div> <div><font color="#ff0000">if your the only one selling you ask what people have to pay... i.e. you can gouge prices as much as you want...</font> </div> <div>5. What timeline do you , SOE, as a service provider, Put on the resolution of the Darathar server problem?</div> <div><font color="#ff0000">i've not even seen them admitting the problem.....</font> </div> <div>6. What, timeline do you,SOE, as a service provider, Put on the longevity of this game when you clearly only have consideration for pounds, pence, dollars and cents?</div> <div><font color="#ff0000">the population on the us servers is healthy... so, no, they dont have to be worried....</font> </div> <div>I believe these are fair questions that the subscribers currently entombed on Darathar have the right to be answered. Plz, if you wish to flame this post, do, but bare in mind, if your not locked into the Darathar pvp server, you cant possibly know what is like to have to roll an alt and lvl to the reqiured crafting lvl to make items for your main, because there is no one left on the server that can make gear at the lvl you require./ Angelmancer lvl 70 necro/alch</div><hr></blockquote>i just did a little research on eq2players... darathar has:60 brigands lvl 50 - 7062 assasins lvl 50 - 7067 zerkers lvl 50 - 70now lets have a look at some less popular classes =))14 mystic's lvl 50 - 7012 illusionist's lvl 50 - 70and that's character count... not account or active player's count...</div><p>Message Edited by Killerbee3000 on <span class=date_text>11-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:37 PM</span>

[scl]

<div></div><blockquote><hr>Killerbee3000 wrote:<div></div><div>i just did a little research on eq2players... darathar has:60 brigands lvl 50 - 7062 assasins lvl 50 - 7067 zerkers lvl 50 - 70now lets have a look at some less popular classes =))14 mystic's lvl 50 - 7012 illusionist's lvl 50 - 70and that's character count... not account or active player's count...</div><p>Message Edited by Killerbee3000 on <span class="date_text">11-21-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:37 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Don't you think thats a little low, considering that's all the characters that have ever in that level range (which is a pretty big level range, to be fair) on the server, not the ones who are actually still playing? And EQ2 was never popular in Europe? Where did you pull that one from... wait, I know the answer.Stop trying to be smart, it doesn't suit you.

[Rattfa]

<div><blockquote><hr>scl wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Killerbee3000 wrote:<div></div><div>i just did a little research on eq2players... darathar has:60 brigands lvl 50 - 7062 assasins lvl 50 - 7067 zerkers lvl 50 - 70now lets have a look at some less popular classes =))14 mystic's lvl 50 - 7012 illusionist's lvl 50 - 70and that's character count... not account or active player's count...</div><p>Message Edited by Killerbee3000 on <span class="date_text">11-21-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:37 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Don't you think thats a little low, considering that's all the characters that have ever in that level range (which is a pretty big level range, to be fair) on the server, not the ones who are actually still playing? And EQ2 was never popular in Europe? Where did you pull that one from... wait, I know the answer.Stop trying to be smart, it doesn't suit you.<hr></blockquote>Exactly, that is a little low, especially considering a huge amount of darathars population quit or re-rolled on nagafen. I expect that of those 60 brigs or 62 assassins etc, maybe 10% are active.</div>

[Killerbee3000]

<div><blockquote><hr>scl wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>Killerbee3000 wrote:<div></div><div>i just did a little research on eq2players... darathar has:60 brigands lvl 50 - 7062 assasins lvl 50 - 7067 zerkers lvl 50 - 70now lets have a look at some less popular classes =))14 mystic's lvl 50 - 7012 illusionist's lvl 50 - 70and that's character count... not account or active player's count...</div><p>Message Edited by Killerbee3000 on <span class="date_text">11-21-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:37 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Don't you think thats a little low, considering that's all the characters that have ever in that level range (which is a pretty big level range, to be fair) on the server, not the ones who are actually still playing? And EQ2 was never popular in Europe? Where did you pull that one from... wait, I know the answer.Stop trying to be smart, it doesn't suit you.<hr></blockquote>i know thats a low number, the us servers have  more of class x  of each class playing everday than the european servers have total population....second thx for the insult.. third...  eq2 was never popular in europe......  there are shops that still have not sold the original copys of eq2 in 2 years...there was never any sort of advertising of eq2 in europe in the years 2005 - 2006.if you want to buy an expansion in retail the people in the stores laugh at you and tell you to buy wow.oh... and i've never met anyone in rl who play's eq2....and last but not least... look at the extrme low number of chars </div>

[DanaDark]

<DIV>Low popularity of EQ2 in Europe is rather true sadly.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Concerning the EoF expansion, someone from Switzerland... or was it Sweden... one of those... bought EVERY SINGLE EoF retail box in his country... which was 2....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now... I know neither Switzerland nor Sweden have the largest populations in the world... but 2 retail boxes for the whole country.... come on! lol.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I read his post when EoF came out concerning where to buy it, someone in Europe was looking and said they couldn't find it anywhere.</DIV>

[TheSummoned]

<blockquote><hr>Killerbee3000 wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>bongolongo wrote:<div>For some time now, there has been an issue of population on the Darathar server (europe). Many complaints have been made, many accusations tossed towards the SOE corporation. But ,sadly, as yet, i have not found an answer from SOE. So, without, further ado, i issue, a request, as posted below.</div> <div> </div> <div>Please, to the best of your (SOE) abillity, answer the questions below, with honesty, integrity, including what you believe to be workable timelines.</div> <div> </div> <div>1. Do you, SOE, as a paid service provider,  intend to do anything about the lack of population on the Darather server "49-120 " evil side peek time.?</div> <div><font color="#ff0000">first... all people anon and role dont count... second.. the last time i've seen an advertisment for eq2 was in dec 2004...</font> <b><font face="Comic Sans MS"><font color="#ffcc00">Wrong! Every person shows up on the /who all search until the search goes over 100, at which point it caps at 100.</font></font></b></div> <div>2. Do you, SOE, as a paid service provider,  intend to Delegate a G.M. for the Darathar server. As Obviously, there isnt one ?</div> <div> <font color="#ff0000">if the number of players is as low as you claim... then ahem... there is no need for a gm...</font></div> <div>3.Do you , SOE, as a paid service provider,  expect the players on Darathar to quit  or re-roll and save you the expense of re-locating these accounts to a server that has an adequate population?</div> <div> <font color="#ff0000">eq2 was never popular in europe... so ahem... start over on a us server... <font color="#ffcc00"><b><font face="Comic Sans MS">I dunno, Splitpaw and Runnyeye are on heavy load every day.</font></b></font></font></div> <div>4. Do you, SOE, as a paid service provider,  expect us to be able to maintain and progress on a server that has no economy? (when i say no economy, i mean such as, no food or drink on broker) and where, the only way of buying that 50plat + master is to accept the secretly whispered "buy gold at" that you get every 15 mins ?</div> <div><font color="#ff0000">if your the only one selling you ask what people have to pay... i.e. you can gouge prices as much as you want...</font> </div> <div>5. What timeline do you , SOE, as a service provider, Put on the resolution of the Darathar server problem?</div> <div><font color="#ff0000">i've not even seen them admitting the problem... </font><font color="#ffcc00"><font face="Comic Sans MS"><b>This problem has been brought up before when Darathar was actually a somewhat active server, we had Blackguard respond about it, but the issue was never cleared. (We, the (ex) Daratharians, wanted to merge the french and german server I even posted on the german forums about it and most were for it - since that didn't happen, most quit PvP or moved to Nagafen.)</b></font></font></div> <div>6. What, timeline do you,SOE, as a service provider, Put on the longevity of this game when you clearly only have consideration for pounds, pence, dollars and cents?</div> <div><font color="#ff0000">the population on the us servers is healthy... so, no, they dont have to be worried....</font> </div> <div>I believe these are fair questions that the subscribers currently entombed on Darathar have the right to be answered. Plz, if you wish to flame this post, do, but bare in mind, if your not locked into the Darathar pvp server, you cant possibly know what is like to have to roll an alt and lvl to the reqiured crafting lvl to make items for your main, because there is no one left on the server that can make gear at the lvl you require./ Angelmancer lvl 70 necro/alch</div><hr></blockquote>i just did a little research on eq2players... darathar has:60 brigands lvl 50 - 7062 assasins lvl 50 - 7067 zerkers lvl 50 - 70now lets have a look at some less popular classes =))14 mystic's lvl 50 - 7012 illusionist's lvl 50 - 70and that's character count... not account or active player's count...</div><p>Message Edited by Killerbee3000 on <span class="date_text">11-21-2006</span> <span class="time_text">03:37 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote><div></div>

[Ravenslodge]

<P><STRONG><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff99>Hi</FONT></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff99>I have to confess to be an ex Daratharian myself. I played on a daily basis on Darathar and loved every minute of it, that is until the server suddenly nosed dived into a decline about 6 months ago. The server has now been slowly and painfully dying ever since. My characters on Darathar are not so high as 70, but a lot of time was spent to build them up to the respectable lvl 30 - 55 that they are respectively. I don't wish to re-roll them on another server but i do think that the server should be closed once and for all like they did with 10 servers back in early February of was it this year or last? We should, to my mind, be offered free server transfer as was the case for the previously mentioned.</FONT></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff99>I logged on to my conjy the other day at peak time on a Friday night. 33 players in all of the zones and that was just Qeynosians and from what i hear Freeport is having the same problems. In my opinion it really is time for Darathar to be laid to rest. The PvP system became so unfair and so weighted in favour of the Freeport chars that many Qeynosians left to go to non PvP servers. After much grumbling and holding back, I and my fellow guildies decided on the same course. We are now playing happily on Runnyeye server but dearly wish we could bring our Darathar chars over. Not everyone is in the position to dip into their pockets once again and to be honest, why should we? </FONT></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff99>Please, lay Darathar to rest finally and give us the same free server transfer that you gave to the other server closures <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></FONT></STRONG></P> <P><STRONG><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffff99></FONT></STRONG> </P><p>Message Edited by Ravenslodge on <span class=date_text>12-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:41 AM</span>

[gundali]

<DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>As frustrating as the lack of a healthy population is on Darathar, i do feel that it is occasionally eclipsed by my frustration at other players that post such little gems of solutions as:</P> <P>'Just reroll on a US server, EQ2 was never popular in Europe'</P> <P><EM>Not really something i want to do. How can i take my characters all the way to the end game with that sort of time difference? C'est Impossible! Raid forming at 1am great! Anyway the servers for Splitpaw and Runneye have a very healthy population, but then why did we have 3 EU PvP servers in the first place......</EM></P> <P>'Look at all these players on the EQ2players site!'</P> <P><EM>People who play on the server know what the population really is, they're even telling you. So don't bring forward that you really think they're 67 zerkers (perhaps the entire FP population atm) that are actually playing RIGHT NOW! It's nonsense but yet it gets vomited up each time.</EM> </P> <P>'If you just demand in your posts it'll never get looked at'</P> <P><EM>I've seen every type of post so far, demands, whines, guerilla tactics, questions and even measured proposals. How many replies have i seen, not counting the threads that are deleted, none that have offered any meaningful feedback. </EM></P> <P>'Nagafen is a very healthy population'</P> <P><EM>So this is all that seems to count?</EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><STRONG>Ritsar Warchilde Fleshweaver (cross me off the active zerkers plz)</STRONG></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>

[smackwater jack]

<DIV> <P><EM>Not really something i want to do. How can i take my characters all the way to the end game with that sort of time difference? C'est Impossible! Raid forming at 1am great! Anyway the servers for Splitpaw and Runneye have a very healthy population, but then why did we have 3 EU PvP servers in the first place......</EM></P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><EM></EM> </P> <P><EM>Actually, Crushbone has a sizeble Europian population and I know of at least 5 that raid t6-t7 during your peak time. Especially it seems the Spanish.  I am a US player but work at night so I play your times (9:00am to 6pm EST).  Try a US server.  You find more peeps playing at your time then you think.  Additonally, there tends to be a few pickup raids durning the day.  Maybe night raiders taking in there alts, relic framing and such.</EM></P></DIV>

[Killerbee3000]

well, back at launch of the game i went to us servers due to bad german translation of the game, and i never had a problem with finding groups......  im even in a european raiding guild.....but, there are also uk servers, they should just let people from german servers move to uk ones for free......<div></div>

[Llach]

<div><blockquote><hr>Killerbee3000 wrote:<div>third...  eq2 was never popular in europe......  there are shops that still have not sold the original copys of eq2 in 2 years...there was never any sort of advertising of eq2 in europe in the years 2005 - 2006.if you want to buy an expansion in retail the people in the stores laugh at you and tell you to buy wow.oh... and i've never met anyone in rl who play's eq2....and last but not least... look at the extrme low number of chars </div><hr></blockquote>Those problems are more down to SoE shoving their collective heads up the arses and leaving them there.EQ2 could and probably would be alot more popular in Europe if SoE actually reminded their PR department that the world exists beyond the US.WoW has monthly writeups and adverts in  most gaming mags in the UK.  One of the few write up I saw (in custom PC) for EQ2 raved about the game.  That was about it I think.Face it; SoE PR is a lesson in laziness, ignorance and complete uselessness.</div>

[Killerbee3000]

<div><blockquote><hr>Despach wrote:<div>Face it; SoE PR is a lesson in laziness, ignorance and complete uselessness.</div><hr></blockquote>that sums it up perfectly</div>

[Rajaat]

<DIV>Freeport tends to have lower population on any server. Have you considered betraying to Qeynos?</DIV>

[Moongloom]

<DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffcc00>"Wrong! Every person shows up on the /who all search until the search goes over 100, at which point it caps at 100."  </FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV> <HR> </DIV> <DIV><STRONG><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#ffcc00>The last time I checked /anon and rp does not show up on searches unless it is a specific name or general zone search.  The class search you won't see them on.  I checked this by /anon to myself and then searching for me using /who all class.  I didn't have over 100 in the search but I was not listed.  When I took /anon off then I could find myself using my /who all class search.</FONT></STRONG></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV>