KoS spire contested

[wes_GS]

<DIV>Hi Everyone,</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You may or may not remember just before Kingdom of Sky was launched there was an effort to rebuild all the broken spires.  To rebuild the spire, it required many crafted items and collected sky essences.  This took several hours of many people crafting/collecting to complete the spire.  Once the spire was finished, an x4 contested dragon spawned.  Unfortunately this was a one time deal.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I was thinking it would be really cool if they made the spires collapse again every few months or so.  Maybe not all at the same time or anything.  Maybe the dragon that owns that spire gets mad and tears it down.  Then it must be rebuilt.  This would give us a large scale raid that requires lots of people.  Kindof sucks that these world event scripts are just going to waste now.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What do you guys/gals think?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Elorah]

<P>No offense...  But no thankyou :smileywink:</P> <P>I was one of those people that logged into every crafter that I had to help build the spires, only to be pushed aside by the larger raiding guilds.  All I got was an item for my house and a title....  isn't even a rare title like the raiders got <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Granted, the Dev's tried to give the crafters something once they realized what had happened...  But it would have been nice to have at least been part of the raids...</P> <P>I do not wish to see that mayhem again....lol</P><p>Message Edited by Elorah on <span class=date_text>10-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:50 PM</span>

[Kraven Coldblade]

agreed. no thank you. in my humble and often times negative opinion I'd have to say the spire event was one of the worst events designed by SOE. All the "hardcore" raiding guilds spammed the zones and pretty much if you were not one of "them" you couldn't get in. Never hope to see anything like that ever again in game. But then again, should that happen again I probably wouldn't even bother trying to help.

[wes_GS]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Elorah wrote:<BR> <P>I was one of those people that logged into every crafter that I had to help build the spires, only to be pushed aside by the larger raiding guilds.  All I got was an item for my house and a title....  isn't even a rare title like the raiders got <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Message Edited by Elorah on <SPAN class=date_text>10-17-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>02:50 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That was your choice.   I understand the first time since no one knew a dragon was going to spawn.  If you continued to craft on the spires knowing you were only triggering a raid mob for a raid guild, thats your own problem and you have no right to complain.</P> <P>I am suggesting this as raid content, not crafting content.  A raid guild that wanted to take out the dragon could rebuild the spire and fight it (or lose it to a competing guild).  This was a very cool event, people just complained (like they always do) because they refuse to raid to finish it.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR></P>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>wes_GS wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Elorah wrote:<BR> <P>I was one of those people that logged into every crafter that I had to help build the spires, only to be pushed aside by the larger raiding guilds.  All I got was an item for my house and a title....  isn't even a rare title like the raiders got <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Message Edited by Elorah on <SPAN class=date_text>10-17-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>02:50 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That was your choice.   I understand the first time since no one knew a dragon was going to spawn.  If you continued to craft on the spires knowing you were only triggering a raid mob for a raid guild, thats your own problem and you have no right to complain.</P> <P>I am suggesting this as raid content, not crafting content.  A raid guild that wanted to take out the dragon could rebuild the spire and fight it (or lose it to a competing guild).  This was a very cool event, people just complained (like they always do) because they refuse to raid to finish it.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR></P><hr></blockquote> Actually, most people knew that the dragons would spawn when the spires were completed. You could easily find out by going to the test server and noticing, how there were dragons at the completed spires.

[StevusX]

<P>One correction.</P> <P>A lot of people complained, NOT because they refused to raid, but because they had no chance to due to raid guilds on many servers and in most areas coming in at the end and taking out the dragon AND then getting the better reward.  Yes in a very few cases raid guild members helped significantly to build a spire. But in many more cases they did not.  The idea was a good one, the implementation was poor. It should have been a case of only those players that had significantly helped build the spire (eg made X number of parts) were eligible to raid the dragon. Fair and equitable.</P> <P>If the system was changed then repeat spire events would be a great idea.</P> <P>This game could use a bit more randomness in large events tbh. More excitement. But it must be open to a larger proportion of gamers not just the uber raiders.</P>

[Elorah]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> wes_GS wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Elorah wrote:<BR> <P>I was one of those people that logged into every crafter that I had to help build the spires, only to be pushed aside by the larger raiding guilds.  All I got was an item for my house and a title....  isn't even a rare title like the raiders got <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Message Edited by Elorah on <SPAN class=date_text>10-17-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>02:50 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That was your choice.   I understand the first time since no one knew a dragon was going to spawn.  If you continued to craft on the spires knowing you were only triggering a raid mob for a raid guild, thats your own problem and you have no right to complain.</P> <P>I am suggesting this as raid content, not crafting content.  A raid guild that wanted to take out the dragon could rebuild the spire and fight it (or lose it to a competing guild).  This was a very cool event, people just complained (like they always do) because they refuse to raid to finish it.</P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>I am trying to figure out what the most funny part of your message is... The fact that you think that Raiders need more content....  or the fact that you think that those spires would and could have been built by them.  On just about every spire... not many of the raiders were actually crafting.  They were killing for the essences or whatever they were.  You asked for opinions.  I gave you mine.  There was no reason to blame anyone on anything....<BR>

[Budgiette]

Absolutely THE worst idea I have yet seen on these boards!!  That event created such an uproar on all the servers!  There were many a raiding guild that worked hard on a spire only to have it gimped out from under them by other raiding guilds that simply waiting until the spire was close to completion - a zone would end up with one guild that had worked hard on it and another 4 appearing at the end waiting to tag the dragon when he spawned - a purely hit and miss result. <div></div>

[wes_GS]

<P>Ok Elorah, not sure what your gripe is against raiders but that seems to be your main focus here (flame raiders).</P> <P>Most of the game's content takes more than 1 person to experience.  So just because you need more than 6 that makes it 'for raiders'?</P> <P>My point here may be the same as all you others in this thread that were unhappy with the first time through this event.  Alot of people feel they got left out of the content since it only happened once.  If this happened once a month or something you would have that chance to kill that dragon like any other contested mob in the game.  And if you arent going to kill it, why would you bother to work on the crafting piece? FYI not all these dragons were killed by the 'uber raid guilds' either.  I know on Oasis at least 2 were killed by pickup raids of people who worked on the spire.</P> <P>And yes, the game needs more content for more than 6 players.  The raid zones have long lockout timers that leave large groups with nothing to do for a few nights each week.  The contested raid mobs are few and far between.</P> <P>This encounter is always done and could easily be tweaked to 'reset' every month or so.</P>

[Elorah]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> wes_GS wrote:<BR> <P>Ok Elorah, not sure what your gripe is against raiders but that seems to be your main focus here (flame raiders).</P> <P>Most of the game's content takes more than 1 person to experience.  So just because you need more than 6 that makes it 'for raiders'?</P> <P>My point here may be the same as all you others in this thread that were unhappy with the first time through this event.  Alot of people feel they got left out of the content since it only happened once.  If this happened once a month or something you would have that chance to kill that dragon like any other contested mob in the game.  And if you arent going to kill it, why would you bother to work on the crafting piece? FYI not all these dragons were killed by the 'uber raid guilds' either.  I know on Oasis at least 2 were killed by pickup raids of people who worked on the spire.</P> <P>And yes, the game needs more content for more than 6 players.  The raid zones have long lockout timers that leave large groups with nothing to do for a few nights each week.  The contested raid mobs are few and far between.</P> <P>This encounter is always done and could easily be tweaked to 'reset' every month or so.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I have nothing against raiders....  I do know that we have guilds that raid nightly, so I assume that there is plenty to raid.  I personally do not raid often, as I am a crafter at heart.  </P> <P>You asked opinions in the Original post and I gave mine.  Why you feel the need to single me out on this post when just about everyone else has stated that it was badly implemented (although a good plan) the first time around.</P> <P>Now as it stands, those few guilds that managed to take down the dragons on my server have that title.  If these events were more common, then that title would be worthless just as is the Hunter of Undead types.  Nice to have, but just about everyone above level 30 has it.  I wouldnt want that to happen either.  </P> <P>Events are just that Events....  Not meant to happen more then that.  I wish they were as I missed a few while moving across the world, but hey...  Maybe I can catch the next bunch...</P> <P>If they place them back in, we would have the lower level people Crafting and complaining again, but then also those "uber" guilds that took down the original dragons would have a reason to complain now as well...  That would be why I thought that it was a bad idea unless it was changed... somehow locked so ONLY those that worked to build it could fight the dragon.  Somehow I dont see that happening as then you would get people complaining that they didnt know about it and missed it.</P> <P>Just seems to me that the complaining has dies down from the original event.  why Bring it all back again with more people complaining?  lol</P> <P> </P>

[wes_GS]

<P>Thats my point here.  Almost every complaint is that people missed this 'one time' event.</P> <P>Who cares if it has a title or not, treat the title like mythical items.  Only those that did it the first time keep the title.  Everyone else could still kill it and experience that (now lost) content.</P>

[Elorah]

<DIV>The notice was up on the Patcher as well as the forums.... </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Just wanted to point that out....</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oh yes, and we cant forget the update notes that it was on either...  hehe :smileywink:</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So if it was missed, it was missed by not logging in.  I read about it days in advance on the forums. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>But once again.  Not a bad idea, just needs to be changed.  I am still of the belief of an event being an event.  If you miss it, then perhaps you will catch the next one....  lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Now keep in mind that we have a new expansion coming in soon....  so maybe more events <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and most definitely raid content has been announced.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Jal]

This does not need repeating.a) Building the spires was fun....once. It is not a fun repeat excercise.b) People dont want to be cut off a from an expansion because no-one wants to build the spires.c) The dragons didnt drop loot they dropped a set item and cash. It would be farmed nothing more but most guilds i'd say wouldnt bother.d) New content please not rehashing old stuff.

[NoNameChosen]

Even though I truely enjoyed the 15min fight on a level 60 epic x4 dragon (due to 10 second spell delay, gotta love lag), I prefer not to do it again. The fight was awesome with over 1000 (yes one-thousand) people watching in the zone, it isn't fun to do it again, it will create a huge fight between guilds if they don't get it and such.<BR><BR>Thanks, but no thanks. It was fun once.

[Etchii]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> wes_GS wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Elorah wrote:<BR> <P>I was one of those people that logged into every crafter that I had to help build the spires, only to be pushed aside by the larger raiding guilds.  All I got was an item for my house and a title....  isn't even a rare title like the raiders got <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Message Edited by Elorah on <SPAN class=date_text>10-17-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>02:50 PM</SPAN><BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>That was your choice.   I understand the first time since no one knew a dragon was going to spawn.  If you continued to craft on the spires knowing you were only triggering a raid mob for a raid guild, thats your own problem and you have no right to complain.</P> <P>I am suggesting this as raid content, not crafting content.  A raid guild that wanted to take out the dragon could rebuild the spire and fight it (or lose it to a competing guild).  This was a very cool event, people just complained (like they always do) because they refuse to raid to finish it.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P><BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>LoL...i was there on highkeep/butcherblock in the feerott for the final spire to be constructed... this was right after the server merge.  I've never in my life seen an area so populated.  The network lag was so severe... I think i was involved in "raid group 6"...never mind the raid guilds that we're also there.  </P> <P>The mob was so contested that hoards of people were running around trying to lag out the currently engaged raid... it was absolutely insane! </P> <P>That event should have been a unique event where everyone in the area could attack the dragon...a server wide effort...not a one x4 raid effort imo.</P> <P>There was alot of anger on our server that night...please no more repeats =P</P>

[Daedalus Raistlin]

<div></div><div> <blockquote><hr>Elorah wrote: <div>The notice was up on the Patcher as well as the forums.... </div> <div> </div> <div>Just wanted to point that out....</div> <div> </div> <div>Oh yes, and we cant forget the update notes that it was on either...  hehe :smileywink:</div> <div> </div> <div>So if it was missed, it was missed by not logging in.  I read about it days in advance on the forums. </div> <div> </div> <div>But once again.  Not a bad idea, just needs to be changed.  I am still of the belief of an event being an event.  If you miss it, then perhaps you will catch the next one....  lol</div> <div> </div> <div>Now keep in mind that we have a new expansion coming in soon....  so maybe more events <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and most definitely raid content has been announced.</div> <div> </div> <hr></blockquote> </div><div></div>But not all of us live in a timezone where getting to these live events can be easy. The day of the event, I was in class, reading about it on forums. I wasnt even able to get home until about 7 hours after the event had finished :In fact, I've never been able to get to any of these events, because they're during the day, a bit before mid-day, when I'm either at work or in class. <div></div><p>Message Edited by Daedalus Raistlin on <span class="date_text">10-22-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:10 PM</span></p><p>Message Edited by Daedalus Raistlin on <span class=date_text>10-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:11 PM</span>

[Elorah]

<div><blockquote><hr>Daedalus Raistlin wrote:<div></div><div> <blockquote><hr>Elorah wrote: <div>The notice was up on the Patcher as well as the forums.... </div> <div> </div> <div>Just wanted to point that out....</div> <div> </div> <div>Oh yes, and we cant forget the update notes that it was on either...  hehe :smileywink:</div> <div> </div> <div>So if it was missed, it was missed by not logging in.  I read about it days in advance on the forums. </div> <div> </div> <div>But once again.  Not a bad idea, just needs to be changed.  I am still of the belief of an event being an event.  If you miss it, then perhaps you will catch the next one....  lol</div> <div> </div> <div>Now keep in mind that we have a new expansion coming in soon....  so maybe more events <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and most definitely raid content has been announced.</div> <div> </div> <hr></blockquote> </div><div></div>But not all of us live in a timezone where getting to these live events can be easy. The day of the event, I was in class, reading about it on forums. I wasnt even able to get home until about 7 hours after the event had finished :In fact, I've never been able to get to any of these events, because they're during the day, a bit before mid-day, when I'm either at work or in class. <div></div><hr></blockquote>Hmmm.  The event on My server lasted all weekend if I remember, but I know more then 1 day definitley.  NOt too many people wanted to help build the spires until they realized that a dragon came out....  Then more came to help, but by then the raid guilds also heard and they came and waited for the mob to spawn...  lol</div>

[Zolg]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Elorah wrote:<BR> <P>No offense...  But no thankyou :smileywink:</P> <P>I was one of those people that logged into every crafter that I had to help build the spires, only to be pushed aside by the larger raiding guilds.  All I got was an item for my house and a title....  isn't even a rare title like the raiders got <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Granted, the Dev's tried to give the crafters something once they realized what had happened...  But it would have been nice to have at least been part of the raids...</P> <P>I do not wish to see that mayhem again....lol</P> <P>Message Edited by Elorah on <SPAN class=date_text>10-17-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>02:50 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>/agree</P> <P> </P> <P>I too did a lot of crafting on those spires and got a dumb little house item. Meanwhile all of the Raiders were yapping about who was better and who deserved the dragon.</P> <P>This event totally put me off ever helping "Build" anything again. The next ones should be built by the raiders who killed the Dragons. They got all the reward for NO work, just 1 stupid kill.</P> <P>I hope the druid rings don't need to be built because it may take a few days to get them done versus a few hours because of how many crafters got screwed on the spirals.<BR></P>

[s]

<DIV>So because you crafted a bit (or a lot) you deserve it more then others?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I crafted hundreds of items, collected 50-100 essences in total, killed one dragon. I am in a raiding guild and you're telling me you deserve it more then me? You know anyone that helped deserved to kill a dragon but you know what, only 6x24 people could kill one per server. You missed out because you did what you were good at, crafting. Raiders in general got the raid mobs, because that's what they do, what they're good at and what they play this game for - raiding. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There's a reason you don't get to kill dragons you know. You, like you said, are a CRAFTER. Not an adventurer who goes off killing bloody dragons.</DIV> <DIV>I agree they should've given the crafters and adventurers something more (or more equal) then 1 or 2 lame titles, but seriously, raiding is for raiders, crafting is for crafters and killing solo/group mobs is for the regular players. An amazing idea, except for the fact that the rewards for each of these groups were way out of whack compared to oneanother. I'd say never give out truly usefull items for events ever again. Keep it to fluff stuff, like house items, fluff spells, titles, gear a-la cazel's spoon or erolisi's charm.. stuff like that.</DIV> <DIV>Starting a fight between raiders/crafters/casuals or whatever is completely pointless because noone is to blame here. The only problem was the rewards given for doing your share of work on the event.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Apart from that I agree with a previous poster. Events are a one-time thing. If you missed out on one, make sure you get in on the next.</DIV>

[Krontak]

Ok for the raiders that don't want it don't show up when there is a live event then.  I'm guessing though that once you figure out there is something that spawns, you'll be there and forget all about this post.

[Zolg]

<FONT color=#ff0000></FONT><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> sro wrote:<BR> <DIV>So because you crafted a bit (or a lot) you deserve it more then others?</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>Um no, just something that was at least equal</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I crafted hundreds of items, collected 50-100 essences in total, killed one dragon. I am in a raiding guild and you're telling me you deserve it more then me? You know anyone that helped deserved to kill a dragon but you know what, only 6x24 people could kill one per server. You missed out because you did what you were good at, crafting. Raiders in general got the raid mobs, because that's what they do, what they're good at and what they play this game for - raiding. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>You as a crafter, essence collector and dragon killer are in a small minority. No one said crafters deserved more. Until after the event, SOE was not going to give crafters anything for helping. But a lot of people [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ed on the boards and SOE did something. This [Removed for Content] off a lot of crafters who spent a good chunk of the day helping to build these spires only too see the Raiders come in and take down a dragon get special titles and probably some good loot. Most raiders did nothing except show up smack talk one another in who gets the dragon and then they killed the dragon.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>There's a reason you don't get to kill dragons you know. You, like you said, are a CRAFTER. Not an adventurer who goes off killing bloody dragons.</DIV> <DIV>I agree they should've given the crafters and adventurers something more (or more equal) then 1 or 2 lame titles, but seriously, raiding is for raiders, crafting is for crafters and killing solo/group mobs is for the regular players. An amazing idea, <FONT color=#ff0000>except for the fact that the rewards for each of these groups were way out of whack compared to oneanother. I'd say never give out truly useful items for events ever again. Keep it to fluff stuff, like house items, fluff spells, titles, gear a-la cazel's spoon or erolisi's charm.. stuff like that.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>I 100% agree with this, it should always be fluff. If killing the Dragon just got you a title, then that's fluff. But that's not what happened.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Starting a fight between raiders/crafters/casuals or whatever is completely pointless because noone is to blame here. The only problem was the rewards given for doing your share of work on the event.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>There is someone to blame, SOE. They caused a lot of animosity between these groups that probably lasted a few weeks. It's history now, but at the time it was a big thing. The rewards should have been given on how much your help, like you said, I agree that the rewards were out of whack and that's what everyone was up in arms about.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#ffff00>This event was not a community building event, it was a community splitting event.</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Apart from that I agree with a previous poster. Events are a one-time thing. If you missed out on one, make sure you get in on the next.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>

[Brigh]

<P>It would have been cool if the pvp servers were around to experience this.</P> <P>Can you imagine all the killing of crafters going on at the sites and the blocking of killing the dragons?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[ke'la]

I was in a Pick up raid that if it was not for one idiot would have had the first shot at the antonica dragon (as it took the Hardcore raiders awhile to find someone to mentor too). IMO I had alot of fun trying to get the raid together and watching the guild that got its act togher first accually bet the Dragon, I did help build the Spire, did I care that the raid force only showed up after the spire was nearly complete... kinda but not really. While I agree it could have been run better, and the fact that the dragons had more on them then titles and house iteams was a bad idea. I think it was fun and I hope to see a more large scale Live events in the future.

[Zagats]

<DIV>Our raiding guild worked hard to put that spire together in feerott, and had the entire raid force there to kill that dragon when it showed up.  Another raid guild came prancing in, and had autolocking encounters on (same as us), and just happened to get the first hit on it.  They won the loot, each of them getting a 1 of a kind neck item.</DIV> <DIV>I got a title.</DIV> <DIV>I'm happy they at least did that much for us.  Now I get people all over asking "whered you get that title", and I get to tell them all about it!</DIV> <DIV><BR>Baron Shadowterror Team'Megaman, Sky Seeker Gate Caller</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Quite a long name lol!</DIV>