Tier 7 Raiding - Progression

[Tesar/Oogar]

If your guild is going to begin to try some Tier 7 Raiding, where is the first place you would reccommend attempting. Thanks. <div></div>

[Supernova17]

Laboratory of Lord Vyemm is one of the easier T7 raid zones, just as long as your healers actually know what a Truma Cure is. <span>:smileywink:</span> Drops Relic and class specific legendary / fabled gear in good numbers to gear up a newer raid force. <div></div>

[FuRiouSQ]

Labs, on top of Hall of Fate. <div></div>

[Killerbee3000]

you could also go to temple of scale (pantrilla + vraksakin) or try your luck and go see if one of the cube mobs are up, the easiest instance is lab (except you dont have coercer, then vyemm will be harder than villucidae), followed by lyceum.<div></div>

[jago quicksilver]

the AoA dragons are also a good place to learn how to raid, and Harla dar is a good starting point as well. other than that, labs is the best place to go id say, will definitely make sure that your healers stay quick on the cures.

[Tesar/Oogar]

Thanks for the advice everyone.  Looks like we'll give the Labs a go when we're ready to graduate to T7. <div></div>

[Tazr]

<DIV>We went through the same thing not long ago.  Basicly we geared our MT up asap with Courts, Gates, PPR etc.  Then when he had enough mit, we 2 and 3 grouped lab to get the hang of the place.  We did some minor relic farming again to beef the MT up a bit, then waited for 90% of the raid force to be 70 and trashed the place over a period of 4-6 weeks.  So yep, your on the right path!</DIV>

[FlintAH]

I would say this is the best progression:Temple of ScaleLabsGorenaireHarla DarTalendorLyceumDeathtollHalls of Seeing<div></div>

[Nib]

<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:I would say this is the best progression:Temple of ScaleLabsGorenaireHarla DarTalendorLyceumDeathtollHalls of Seeing<div></div><hr></blockquote>I'd agree, except most of those aren't even worth your time (unless you need updates). I'd do Labs > Lyceum > Deathtoll > Halls of Seeing.  </div>

[mikemcmodmi]

<P>There are some nice items in HoS.  Mainly dps items too which will help your raid dps.  I wouldn't skip out on it.  The mobs in DT are also harder then HoS.</P> <P>I'd say for ease of encounters Labs < Lycaeum < HoS < DT</P> <P>To maximize the loot you get Labs < HoS < DT < Lycaeum</P>

[FlintAH]

No way are the DT mobs harder than HoS.  Maybe if HoS didnt have pathfinding issues that doubled the difficulty of pulls, invisible dots and debuffs etc....<div></div>

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>mikemcmodmike wrote:<div></div> <p>There are some nice items in HoS.  Mainly dps items too which will help your raid dps.  I wouldn't skip out on it.  <font color="#ff0000">The mobs in DT are also harder then HoS</font>.</p> <p>I'd say for ease of encounters Labs < Lycaeum < HoS < DT</p> <p>To maximize the loot you get Labs < HoS < DT < Lycaeum</p><hr></blockquote>Couldn't disagree more.  DT is a joke compaired to HoS, it was like Sony's gift to those that were willing to complete the access quest, and the A Drake and Tyranax are the only truely difficult mobs in that zone.  I've killed names in DT, and with a stronger raid force we get smoked in HoS.</div>

[Ellrin]

Nothing in DT apart from Cruor and Tarinax will cause any decent lab raiders any issues, well possibly ADrake. Halls is more of a challenge but also has its own easier characters..Pain and Suffering anybody?

[Xantuss]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Ellrin wrote:<BR> Nothing in DT apart from Cruor and Tarinax will cause any decent lab raiders any issues, well possibly ADrake. Halls is more of a challenge but also has its own easier characters..Pain and Suffering anybody?<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I Agree. We have usually problems with Tarinax and sometimes with Cruor. ADrake is much easier. Nameds in Halls is from my view harder (except gifts from SOE.Pain, Suffering and Venekor) that ADrake and easier that Cruor. In overall difficulty are Halls harder...</P>

[Caetrel]

Lyceum nameds are a little trickier than anything in Labs but the trash and the first named are very easy it's worth poking around in.  Same with Deathtoll really.  We were pretty geared by the time HoS was introduced and learned all the mobs very well but yah if you are new to t7 avoid it like the plague.  If you learn to beat Vyemm you can beat any other yellow mobs in the game.  Even Bloodbeast, the hardest named in HoS is prettty much just a feisty Vyemm.  Good god do not do Gore or Talendor unless you need to for DT access.  If you don't know the mobs/strat they will give you a helluva time and their loot sucks beyond bad.  Harla is a better investment of time but ditto for her pretty much. <div></div>

[TheBladesCaress]

<div><blockquote><hr>Xantuss wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Ellrin wrote: <div></div>Nothing in DT apart from Cruor and Tarinax will cause any decent lab raiders any issues, well possibly ADrake. Halls is more of a challenge but also has its own easier characters..Pain and Suffering anybody? <hr> </blockquote> <p>I Agree. We have usually problems with Tarinax and sometimes with Cruor. ADrake is much easier. Nameds in Halls is from my view harder (except gifts from SOE.Pain, Suffering and Venekor) that ADrake and easier that Cruor. In overall difficulty are Halls harder...</p><hr></blockquote>Hmmm, very strange.  We have heaps of trouble with Tarinax and Cruor, but all the rest in DT are really really easy.  Halls of Seeing is very simple compared to Tarinax/Cruor.  We can do Halls of Seeing in 2 hours with no wipes, yet we havent killed Tarinax yet.  Halls has only 2 challenges, Elemental Warder (who is only half a challenge) and Bloodbeast, which is a fun fight, but we generally do first pull, even when someone walks in and posp it before we are ready <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />So I think that DT is harder than HOS, simply because it cant be cleared as easily.</div>

[Ildarus]

Hey I got a ???? If we can't beat Vymm or Alzid Prime yet is it even worth going into Deathtoll. We have someone in the guild that has access and we are thinking about going in. Or should we just go do Lyceum? We only Raid 2 or 3 nights a week and Labs is always at the top of the list till we beat Vymm.

[Squelch]

You would be able to kill the junk in DT, and the first 2 nameds most likely. Am Drake and beyond is what will give you trouble. I would definatly go in and see what you can do, you never know till you try.

[mikemcmodmi]

<P>I disagree.  HoS is fairly easy.  Once you get the roaming mobs counted and know how to deal with them they aren't bad at all.  We wipe on the elemental warder still and sometimes the overlord of captivity but that's it.  Beyond that it's not that bad beyond the roamers.  Usually we'll wipe on the elemental warder once before we take her.  </P> <P>For DT Curor is hard and so is Tarinax.  Easily harder then anything in HoS.  I'd also say the amorphous drake is harder then anything in HoS besides the elemental warder.</P> <P>Hint:  I can see why you'd think it wasn't easy if you don't have a 2nd tank ready in case invalidation hits.  We NEVER wipe on A shadowy presence or the other easy nameds.</P><p>Message Edited by mikemcmodmike on <span class=date_text>10-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:43 AM</span>

[Conequis]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Ildarus wrote:<div></div>Hey I got a ???? If we can't beat Vymm or Alzid Prime yet is it even worth going into Deathtoll. We have someone in the guild that has access and we are thinking about going in. Or should we just go do Lyceum? We only Raid 2 or 3 nights a week and Labs is always at the top of the list till we beat Vymm.<hr></blockquote>Considering Vymm is a mob that you need for DT access, don't see how you can do DT without Vymm.  Unless of course you pick up some people that have DT access I guess.  Either way, I would say no to DT if you can't do Vymm.</div><p><span class="time_text">EDIT:  Just saw that you had someone with DT access.  I would still say no to it if you can't beat vymm yet.  just my opinion of course.</span></p><p>Message Edited by Conequis on <span class=date_text>10-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:42 AM</span>

[FlintAH]

If you cant beat vyemm you are wasting your time on tarinax.  Tarinax = Orange con vyemm w/ faster memwipe, dots and adds.  I would go into DT though.  The first 2 named are probably the easiest ones in game.  The trash (some have fewer hitpoints than heroics) is really easy once you figure them out.  And the trash drop rate is very high.<div></div>