when more than 2 guilds show up for a contested

[liquid8r]

<DIV>Just curious does any other server have a gm tell the guilds to roll for a fighting order when more than 2 show up to MO.  This has now happened twice on Befallen. A gm having the raid leaders roll for an order and having the other guilds log out. This happened the second time tonight even after a pull order had been established. I have to say this is the most lame bs I have ever seen. </DIV>

[Recca[BK]]

thats too funny. isnt the point of contested mobs to be a free for all. what is the GM gonna do if you pull outta turn i wonder?

[Miroh]

<div><blockquote><hr>liquid8r wrote:<div> This has now happened twice on Befallen. </div><hr></blockquote> <b><i><font color="#ff0000">Only once. Second was player done.</font></i></b></div>

[copperfeild]

Seems fair to me, other wise noone would kill becuase of the lag. woot first post

[quamdar]

<div></div>i personally would be [Removed for Content] if i was told i needed to log out so someone else could try a contested.  the mob should go to the guild willing to wait out the other guild or whoever is able to play through the lag.   the first night on our server that we killed MO we were there with another guild and we were both getting it to about 50% due to lag and they finally gave up and did an instance which allowed us to have some lag free tries and get the mob down later that night.<div></div><p>Message Edited by quamdar on <span class=date_text>09-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:19 AM</span>

[Miroh]

 <b><i><font color="#ff0000">Well over 100 in zone, 72+ at MO spawn point, including pets from shamans, summoners, familiars etc etc....gets laggy.  When you can't kill it with all this but can still one pull kill without...something is wrong.</font></i></b><div></div>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> liquid8r wrote:<BR> <DIV>Just curious does any other server have a gm tell the guilds to roll for a fighting order when more than 2 show up to MO.  This has now happened twice on Befallen. A gm having the raid leaders roll for an order and having the other guilds log out. This happened the second time tonight even after a pull order had been established. I have to say this is the most lame bs I have ever seen. </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That means you took to long to form up. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But ya if you refuse to follow what the GM states he may despawn the mob <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. At least that is what they do in EQ1.

[DementedGerbil]

<P>next time this happens have ur whole guild use a translator and reply to the gm in nothing but binary, or latin, whats he gunna do if u cant speak his lang?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P>just say 01110100 01100101 01101100 01101100 00100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 00100000 01100111 01101101 00100000 01110100 01101111 00100000 01110011 01101000 01101111 01110110 01100101 00100000 01101001 01110100 00100000 01110101 01110000 00100000 01101000 01101001 01110011 00100000 01110000 01101001 01110000 01100101 00100000 01100010 01100101 01100011 01110101 01100001 01110011 01100101 00100000 01101101 01101111 01110010 01100101 00100000 01101100 01101001 01101011 01100101 01101100 01111001 00100000 01101000 01100101 01110011 00100000 01101010 01110101 01110011 01110100 00100000 01100001 00100000 01100111 01110101 01101001 01100100 01100101 to him and ur all set</P><p>Message Edited by DementedGerbil on <span class=date_text>09-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:50 PM</span>

[TanRaistlyn]

<P><BR><BR>Its better then sitting there waiting each other out all night IMO.  Altho a better way thougth up via SOE would be grand - but as the game mechanics stand now I dont know one.  If it comes down to guilds not able to solve the problem themselves and the whole zone being disrupted due to server lag what other options do you have?</P> <P> </P>

[FlintAH]

#1 guilds should be courteous to each other#2 if another guild is already coming form up faster and pull before there are that many people in zoneIf both of those happen there shouldnt be a reason for a GM or anyone else to get involved.<div></div>

[TanRaistlyn]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlintAH wrote:<BR>#1 guilds should be courteous to each other<BR>#2 if another guild is already coming form up faster and pull before there are that many people in zone<BR><BR>If both of those happen there shouldnt be a reason for a GM or anyone else to get involved.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If only the world worked that way.

[DementedGerbil]

<DIV> </DIV> <DIV>/me thinks of how many times my old guild ran up and 1attepmted the lvl 57 vox with 3 groups when the full raid force that beat sothl,splitpaw,and bloodlines first wiped numerous times lol</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>it is a good idea to give the first guild that got there the first shot, but if you know for positive they can not beat it, or if they have tried already, i see no reason to even talk about who gets to go next, its a contested, if theres a guild prepin for 45 min, and a 3x raid runs up behind them a sec b4 they pull and kills it, then i say gratz to the x3, it was contested, and u got it in all fairness, no point in being contested otherwise</DIV>

[onimarox]

The first guild to show that is ready to go is the first to pull... Waiting around for a GM to show and process a roll between the leaders only causes more drama...

[Hun]

Never happened on Valor. One time there were 3 Raids infront of mo and over 150 people in bm. we justed pulled mo until he was down.Last time when we killed the 3 princes in barren sky, even the whole zone crashed and was down for 5 minutes, because there were too many players in it ^^<div></div>

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>TanRaistlyn wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> FlintAH wrote:#1 guilds should be courteous to each other#2 if another guild is already coming form up faster and pull before there are that many people in zoneIf both of those happen there shouldnt be a reason for a GM or anyone else to get involved. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>If only the world worked that way.<hr></blockquote>Mistmoore FTW!!!</div>

[Kazora]

<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:#1 guilds should be courteous to each other#2 if another guild is already coming form up faster and pull before there are that many people in zoneIf both of those happen there shouldnt be a reason for a GM or anyone else to get involved.<div></div><hr></blockquote>#3 theres 3guilds with 80+ already there before the mob popped since theres been basically no new end content for nearly a year (barring 2 standalone mobs in tfd) , allowing basically everyone to be aiming for the same content at the same time</div>

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>rozakk wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:#1 guilds should be courteous to each other#2 if another guild is already coming form up faster and pull before there are that many people in zoneIf both of those happen there shouldnt be a reason for a GM or anyone else to get involved.<div></div><hr></blockquote>#3 theres 3guilds with 80+ already there before the mob popped since theres been basically no new end content for nearly a year (barring 2 standalone mobs in tfd) , allowing basically everyone to be aiming for the same content at the same time</div><hr></blockquote>3x24 = 72Someone should have pulled long ago.</div>

[jago quicksilver]

<div><blockquote><hr>DementedGerbil wrote:<div> </div> <div>/me thinks of how many times my old guild ran up and 1attepmted the lvl 57 vox with 3 groups when the full raid force that beat sothl,splitpaw,and bloodlines first wiped numerous times lol</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>it is a good idea to give the first guild that got there the first shot, but if you know for positive they can not beat it, or if they have tried already, i see no reason to even talk about who gets to go next, its a contested, if theres a guild prepin for 45 min, and a 3x raid runs up behind them a sec b4 they pull and kills it, then i say gratz to the x3, it was contested, and u got it in all fairness, no point in being contested otherwise</div><hr></blockquote>its a contested mob, the first guild that pulls is who the first pull belongs to.the Lage at contested, MO especially is pretty horrendous when a few guilds are there, and i think that a GM interfering is BS. IMO, a GM should only be involved if any code of conduct is being broken. Lag is not against any rules that have been posted.Also, if Players decide that they should roll for attempts while the other guilds leave rendering distance, i think thats fine, working things out amongst yourselves is the best way to handle it, Either that or waiting it out until lag goes down, which is always good times.</div>

[Greggthegrmreapr]

<DIV>Come to a PvP server...  you can just kill the other guild.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Shakir10]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlintAH wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> rozakk wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlintAH wrote:<BR>#1 guilds should be courteous to each other<BR>#2 if another guild is already coming form up faster and pull before there are that many people in zone<BR><BR>If both of those happen there shouldnt be a reason for a GM or anyone else to get involved.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>#3 theres 3guilds with 80+ already there before the mob popped since theres been basically no new end content for nearly a year (barring 2 standalone mobs in tfd) , allowing basically everyone to be aiming for the same content at the same time<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><FONT color=#ff0000>3x24 = 72<BR>Someone should have pulled long ago.<BR></FONT></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>It wasn't a matter of guilds waiting to pull. All 3 guilds were there before MO popped and were waiting on it. So when it popped you had tons of people there. <BR>

[Ess-K]

I think this is a pretty bad road to go down.  I've never heard of (in EQ2 at least) a GM forcing guilds to roll on contested mobs.  This isn't right and surely takes away from the whole idea of guilds having to fight for their prize.I say, although this isn't always the case, if two rival raids have formed then raid leaders should speak to each other and discuss their options.  On some occasions you will find one raid will step down and give the other the opportunity to attempt the mob.  This obviously doesn't happen everytime but I think guilds should at least be courteous to one and other.  Just my opinions on the matter.Sandking Ironjaw (66 Conjurer)Runnyeye Server<div></div>

[Schmoogles]

<DIV>1 of the 3 guild shouldn't have even been there.  In there wildest dreams they couldn't have beaten MO.  I think if you have no intention of beating a mob you shouldn't even try a mob.  Yea you might call it practice or what not but when are you ever going to have a real chance of beating us to a contested?  </DIV>

[Dasein]

In the long run, removing contested spawns makes for a better game. There's a fringe of players that like this sort of PvP-light, but for the majority of people, if they want real PvP, they play on a PvP server or play a PvP game.<div></div>

[Dirtgirl]

<P><FONT color=#66ff00>I'm confused here.... (yeah, imagine that)<BR>So was there, or was there not, a GM who showed up last night? Or did the raid leaders have a discussion that ended in the decision to random for a pull order since that was what a GM decided to do to resolve the issue a month ago when the same thing happened?<BR></FONT><FONT color=#66ff00><BR></FONT></P>

[Bamfa_dexter]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Dirtgirl wrote:<BR> <P><FONT color=#66ff00>I'm confused here.... (yeah, imagine that)<BR>So was there, or was there not, a GM who showed up last night? Or did the raid leaders have a discussion that ended in the decision to random for a pull order since that was what a GM decided to do to resolve the issue a month ago when the same thing happened?<BR></FONT><FONT color=#66ff00><BR></FONT></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Yes, there was a GM there.</P> <P> </P>

[hoppopo]

I saw the ooc while putzing around. Who was the third guild?

[Bamfa_dexter]

CoS, EC, and CK

[Krontak]

A GM showing up during contested sounds pretty sorry if this is how this game is going.  If you don't like the lag, leave.  You really don't have to kill it.  Everyone should just suck it up and fight thru the lag and hope others just get tired of it and leave.  They should just instance this crap and get over it.  Either your gonna instance zones with contested or you aren't.  SOE has chose to go both ways so obviously there is no rule so pretty please SOE, instance everything but lets not give GM's the authority to flip coins.  Thats just lame.

[TanRaistlyn]

<P>Technically a GM WAS NOT there last night - but instead a CS rep sent me a tell and informed me that we were to random again like we did last time the same thing happened the week before.</P> <P>To clarify what happened:</P> <P>CoS and EC were at spawn point raids formed camping mob - mob spawned CoS pulled wiped to lag - EC pulled wiped to lag - by this time CK had formed and pulled and wiped to lag.  Obviously we were not beating the mob unless 2 of the 3 guilds left rendering distance so that server lag reduced enough to kill the encounter.  The three guild raid leaders got together and were going to work out a pull order so that we didnt spend our entire night there waiting for one another to log.  I fought that since the week before the GM came and made us random to see who pulled first and others had to leave zone and EC won the random and killed the mob before we had a chance that we should go first.  And also since we were the first guild to pull during the lagfest, I figured they went first last week we should rotate and we should get a chance.  EC didnt like that idea, they wanted to random again like last week and see who gets first shot, we "discussed" it for a little bit until a CS rep sent me a tell and said if a GM had to come to solve the matter it would be solved by randoming again.  So I gave in and rolled - didnt win the roll - EC got first pull and killed it again before we had a lag free chance.  </P> <P>This apparently is SOEs way to solve zone disruptions when zones become so laggy that people cant play their game.  This wasnt just at MO it was all over BM - people were complaining in ooc that they couldnt fight solo mobs cuz lag was so bad.</P> <P>Most of CoS felt that EC could have been generous enough to let us pull first, since they got to last week - and since EC didnt go that route but instead enforced the random policy most of CoS logged off very frustrated and angry...</P> <P>Personally I think SOE should just make better servers that can support the content they come up with...then we wouldnt have this problem - but guess that aint going to happen.</P>

[Esar]

<DIV>there was no GM intervention today and the leaders of the each raid decided to random. So stop making up stuff.</DIV>

[TanRaistlyn]

<DIV>Its not made up a CS rep contacted me while Kriddle and I were talking.  I never wanted to random again as I thought it was an unfair way to decide - Sangre from CK can confirm this.  </DIV>

[Esar]

<DIV>how is random unfair?  its RANDOM!</DIV> <DIV> <DIV>if you guys dont want to do that next time, we can stick around and see who can last the longest and I'll assure you that it wont be CoS.  Thats how they do it on other servers and we were trying to be civil,  You guys dont want to do it this way or that way.  So I think next time we'll just stick around and see who can last the longest like they do it on other servers.  Just dont have anyone petitioning for a GM since random is sooo unfair.</DIV></DIV><p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class=date_text>09-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:44 AM</span>

[Pins]

Random is never fair to the people losing. That's why people don't like random, because they complain. Deal with it.

[Esar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR>Random is never fair to the people losing. That's why people don't like random, because they complain. Deal with it.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>whats more unfair is that Covenant was trying to implement a rotation on the MO.  Rotation > Random?  I say no.  Why should we do a rotation on a mob which we know we'll dominate and have been killing it every single time since KOS release.

[TanRaistlyn]

<DIV>Your right Esar Im sure EC woulda stayed up till 5am to kill it, without a doubt.  Kriddle was the one who didnt want to stand there pulling over and over again, he was the one that asked Ck and CoS to come together and solve it quickly instead of waiting all night.  Dont act like you did us a favor.  And we would of done it like they do on other servers if we didnt get a GM the first time - then a CS rep the second time tell us to random it.  I know it wasnt us who petitioned it.</DIV>

[Esar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> TanRaistlyn wrote:<BR> <DIV>Your right Esar Im sure EC woulda stayed up till 5am to kill it, without a doubt.  Kriddle was the one who didnt want to stand there pulling over and over again, he was the one that asked Ck and CoS to come together and solve it quickly instead of waiting all night.  Dont act like you did us a favor.  And we would of done it like they do on other servers if we didnt get a GM the first time - then a CS rep the second time tell us to random it.  I know it wasnt us who petitioned it.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>if you guys arent going to for it in a civil way (No we arent doing a rotation on a mob you guys have never killed)  then next time we wont do any random and see who last till 5AM.   End of story, and stop crying you didnt get a contested for the 10000th time again on befallen. <P>Next time no petition, no randoms and jsut fight it out.</P><p>Message Edited by Esar on <span class=date_text>09-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:52 AM</span>

[Aandien]

<P>the reality is guilds form up on contested specifically in hopes to generate enough lag in these zones that the other guild is incapable of killing it through the lag, in hopes that they'll be able to out-wait their competition.</P> <P>that isn't a contested spawn.</P> <P>You should be civil enough to maintain the initial pull order once you determine there is simply too much lag for anyone to kill it.  The other guilds should leave the area except 1 representative to ensure that guild staying only pulls once, and then if they wipe, the second guild comes in and repeats.</P> <P>The fact that you forced a lotto when you weren't the guild who pulled first (after you each had 1 attempt and failed) means you were only out to cheat another guild out of the kill by griefing them and forcing the zone to lag enough where they couldn't kill it with the hopes that you could just wait around till the left.</P> <P>It's a good thing the internet is not indicitive of real societies -- or I think the human race would be extinct.  People online should try to act more like a human, and less like an [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] hiding behind the safety of pixels.</P>

[Esar]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AncientElster wrote: <P>The fact that you forced a lotto when you weren't the guild who pulled first (after you each had 1 attempt and failed) means you were only out to cheat another guild out of the kill by griefing them and forcing the zone to lag enough where they couldn't kill it with the hopes that you could just wait around till the left.</P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Oh we had enough people to pull first.  CoS was just in a rush and decided to pull and wipe, by the time they wiped there were 2 other guilds fully ready to pull.  Just b/c they pulled first doesnt mean they should get priority on the mob.  3 guilds decided to be civil and do random for the pull order.  CoS lost the random and are crying GM intervention.  i dont know what CoS officers told their members, but i'll repeat it again, THERE WAS NO GM INTERVENTION.  so since they said random is unfair now, we'll just not random next time, wait it out and hear them cry again.</P> <P> </P> <P>  <P>  <P>  <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>Edit: Server bickering isn't allowed on this board.</FONT></STRONG></P><p>Message Edited by Moorgard on <span class=date_text>09-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:07 AM</span>