our buggy vyemm tonight

[22224446]

<DIV>we tried this mob last week too... that time was the tail lash our fate. we got it from both side, rear and front too (i got it from front as i pulled him into the room of the beholder guy down of the corridor leading into the lair). we said ok, this was our first attempt to slay him, we have much to learn.</DIV> <DIV>last night we tried it again. we pulled him to the galery, to the stairs leading down to the beholder (last time we spotted, vyemm checks the room down there in every x mins, if there is someone in, wipeing the party). mt stand at the wall, res of the raid at the stairs. we had 6.5k+ magic resist + some potion ward against the magic aoe. the whole raid died in his first magic aoe except the mt and the puller. i as puller got only 2.5k damage, but other people with same or more resist got 6-8.5k damage with 6.5-7k magic resist. insane. this was happen 2-3 times in row.</DIV> <DIV>once we succed to run under him, we got him until 75%, but at this point the mob flied back to his lair to alzid, ignoring us all!</DIV> <DIV>i could cry... :smileysad:</DIV>

[Sheodrath]

<P>hint: do not let your raidmembers resurrect themselves. this breaks the encounter.</P> <P>the pull strategy is the only serious problem u have to cope with. the first two times we tried him, we were blasted within seconds. since we found the solution, we kill im regulary.</P>

[onimarox]

this dosnt sound like a buggy encounter it sounds like a normal vyemm fight..... if you keep dying maybe its time for a new strat

[22224446]

<P>thx for the hint.</P> <P>as i remember, reseting happened at the same time, as we revived on the raid leader's command.</P>

[Soul_Dreamer]

<DIV>It's a really long walk back to Vyemm after death anyway and I doubt people would make it back to him before he dies,  just don't let your people revive themselves and he will be fine.<BR><BR>There are loads of tips and hints on the forum of pulling tactics for this encounter it would be worth doing a search and passing on the knowledge to your raid lead.</DIV>

[22224446]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> onimarox wrote:<BR> this dosnt sound like a buggy encounter it sounds like a normal vyemm fight..... if you keep dying maybe its time for a new strat<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>resetting happened about 1.5 min (90 sec) after the pull. don't say me its normal.

[Soul_Dreamer]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yabbagabb wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> onimarox wrote:<BR> this dosnt sound like a buggy encounter it sounds like a normal vyemm fight..... if you keep dying maybe its time for a new strat<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>resetting happened about 1.5 min (90 sec) after the pull. don't say me its normal.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Someone revives.<BR>Vyemm memwipes and can target anyone in raid. <BR>If it's someone who has revived he will reset, thats how I have seen it work anyway. <BR><BR>It's not really a bug just the leashing of the mob, we had our Coercer revive and was running back when it happened once, the MT said for a second the coercer was targetted.

[22224446]

hm... it can be. it explains, why was our coercer dead at the reviving point. :smileyvery-happy:

[Jake_The_Lettuce]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Soul_Dreamer wrote:<BR> <BR>It's not really a bug just the leashing of the mob, we had our Coercer revive and was running back when it happened once, the MT said for a second the coercer was targetted.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ha who needs a Coercer just have both beating on the MT Alzid hits like a girl anyway :smileywink:<BR>

[22224446]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Jake_The_Lettuce wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Soul_Dreamer wrote:<BR> <BR>It's not really a bug just the leashing of the mob, we had our Coercer revive and was running back when it happened once, the MT said for a second the coercer was targetted.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Ha who needs a Coercer just have both beating on the MT Alzid hits like a girl anyway :smileywink:<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>clap, clap. this topic isnt about how the hc dudes rushing them, but how the newbies dieing. :smileywink:

[Lariu]

<P>Yep sounds normal to me. The reset is annoying, but it happens, just pull him again. </P> <P>Wait until the bugger warps into the ceiling, that's fun. Also, your raid doesn't need magic resists. If your raid are in front of vyemm they're out of position and need to be smacked around the head. As for the pull, it can be done without your raid getting coned easily. Just figure out how.</P>

[Antipalad]

Been beating him routinely before, but now he just memwipes on pull. Stealth change or bug, no idea.

[22224446]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Antipaladin wrote:<BR>Been beating him routinely before, but now he just memwipes on pull. Stealth change or bug, no idea.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>its a feature, not bug. :smileywink:<p>Message Edited by yabbagabb on <span class=date_text>09-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:16 PM</span>

[ReviloTX]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yabbagabb wrote:<BR> <DIV>we got him until 75%, but at this point the mob flied back to his lair to alzid, ignoring us all!</DIV> <DIV>i could cry... :smileysad:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry, no zerging this one.</P> <P>It sounds to me like you guys just need to learn some more about the encounter.  By the 15th or 20th wipe you should have a pretty good handle on it, if not sooner if you read some spoiler info and choose the right things to believe.</P> <P><BR></P>

[22224446]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> ReviloTX wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> yabbagabb wrote:<BR> <DIV>we got him until 75%, but at this point the mob flied back to his lair to alzid, ignoring us all!</DIV> <DIV>i could cry... :smileysad:</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Sorry, no zerging this one.</P> <P>It sounds to me like you guys just need to learn some more about the encounter.  By the 15th or 20th wipe you should have a pretty good handle on it, if not sooner if you read some spoiler info and choose the right things to believe.</P> <P><BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>bah, man... do u think i didn't done it? there r many tactics, and spoliers about that. videos, tutorials, etc. i have read many of them. in cases, they're saying the opposite things. then try to deceide, what to do. most useful things are the videos.</P> <P>as example check this: <A href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4983424437489462370&q=vyemm" target=_blank>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4983424437489462370&q=vyemm</A></P> <P>its great, we see everything what necessary on it. we're tried the pull after this.  its look like we're making the same, but we're nuked as hell maybe every time. there r only things i cannot understand.</P> <P>as example, the coercer is standing behind the mob at the whole fight without taking damage from tail lash. as i started this topic i was pretty angry and desperate... we died about 10 times this night at vyemm... but now i'm pretty resolute to take vyemm's head as trophy, more than ever. :smileymad:</P><p>Message Edited by yabbagabb on <span class=date_text>09-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:04 AM</span>

[Antipalad]

Beaten him fair and square before, no DC tactics or anything of it's like, however he's kinda hard when the instant the tank taunts him on pull he just ignores him and turn towards raid that gets a facefull of Vortex.Even tried having 2 tanks rush in and taunt him, still proceeded to show us his love.

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>Antipaladin wrote:Beaten him fair and square before, no DC tactics or anything of it's like, however he's kinda hard when the instant the tank taunts him on pull he just ignores him and turn towards raid that gets a facefull of Vortex.Even tried having 2 tanks rush in and taunt him, still proceeded to show us his love.<hr></blockquote>Solution to that problem:Dont have the tank pull.</div>

[Antipalad]

Has worked so brilliantly in the past <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Sheodrath]

<DIV>"Beaten him fair and square before, no DC tactics or anything of it's like, however he's kinda hard when the instant the tank taunts him on pull he just ignores him and turn towards raid that gets a facefull of Vortex."</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>that's part of the pull issue. when this happens u must find the reason why the mob behaves this way. if it didn't before, perhaps your raid-line-up has changed etc.<BR></DIV>

[Aandien]

<DIV>all mobs -- and i mean every single one of them, including vyemm....will do their CA's and AE's near the beginning of the fight *ONCE* they are in range of their intended target.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They used to do this to pets also -- which is why people used to pet pull everything.  Because the mob would blow his first AE and CA's on the pet and then the raid would get 1 free avoid on them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, mobs will not do this anymore unless the owner of the pet is within casting range, or in the case of a true AE, someone on his hate list is within range.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So just pet pull vyemm -- have someone stand in range of chaos flux.  Vyemm will now chaos flux (the mem wipe) and that timer will start going.  When he kills the pet, he'll then rush after the conjuror...who you convieniently keep faaar away from him.  As he runs past your tank, have your tank taunt/rescue and flip vyemm around.  Now since vyemms new target is in range of the energy vortex, vyemm will do that (generally after he does a combat art -- so about 3-4 seconds).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Use this knowledge of how mobs determine when to cast ae's, frontal ae's, and combat arts to your advantage when pulling -- it can provide lots of useful features for nearly any epic encounter.</DIV>

[FightGame]

tail lash is a frontal attack.

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>FightGame wrote:<div></div>tail lash is a frontal attack.<hr></blockquote>No its not.</div>

[Aven Elonis]

<DIV>Center AoE - <FONT color=#ff9900>Scream of Chaos</FONT> 1 to 3 K Crushing - Timer 40 sec, with vertical knockback and mem wipe <BR><BR>Frontal Cone AoE - <FONT color=#ff9900>Energy Vortex</FONT> 4 to 10 K Magic, Timer 60 to 75 sec <BR><BR>Back Cone AoE - <FONT color=#ff9900>Tail Lash </FONT>3 to 7 K Crushing. Timer 60 to 75 sec, usually 15 sec after Energy <BR></DIV>

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>Aven Elonis wrote:<div>Center AoE - <font color="#ff9900">Scream of Chaos</font> 1 to 3 K Crushing - Timer 40 sec, with vertical knockback and mem wipe Frontal Cone AoE - <font color="#ff9900">Energy Vortex</font> 4 to 10 K Magic, Timer 60 to 75 sec Back Cone AoE - <font color="#ff9900">Tail Lash </font>3 to 7 K Crushing. Timer 60 to 75 sec, usually 15 sec after Energy </div><hr></blockquote>That's pretty close, although your numbers are a bit conservative imo.</div>

[22224446]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> AncientElster wrote:<BR> <DIV>all mobs -- and i mean every single one of them, including vyemm....will do their CA's and AE's near the beginning of the fight *ONCE* they are in range of their intended target.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>They used to do this to pets also -- which is why people used to pet pull everything.  Because the mob would blow his first AE and CA's on the pet and then the raid would get 1 free avoid on them.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>However, mobs will not do this anymore unless the owner of the pet is within casting range, or in the case of a true AE, someone on his hate list is within range.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>So just pet pull vyemm -- have someone stand in range of chaos flux.  Vyemm will now chaos flux (the mem wipe) and that timer will start going.  When he kills the pet, he'll then rush after the conjuror...who you convieniently keep faaar away from him.  As he runs past your tank, have your tank taunt/rescue and flip vyemm around.  Now since vyemms new target is in range of the energy vortex, vyemm will do that (generally after he does a combat art -- so about 3-4 seconds).</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Use this knowledge of how mobs determine when to cast ae's, frontal ae's, and combat arts to your advantage when pulling -- it can provide lots of useful features for nearly any epic encounter.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>thx for this detailed solution, its very useful. i think it helps us very much to slay this drakeling.

[22224446]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlintAH wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Aven Elonis wrote:<BR> <DIV>Center AoE - <FONT color=#ff9900>Scream of Chaos</FONT> 1 to 3 K Crushing - Timer 40 sec, with vertical knockback and mem wipe <BR><BR>Frontal Cone AoE - <FONT color=#ff9900>Energy Vortex</FONT> 4 to 10 K Magic, Timer 60 to 75 sec <BR><BR>Back Cone AoE - <FONT color=#ff9900>Tail Lash </FONT>3 to 7 K Crushing. Timer 60 to 75 sec, usually 15 sec after Energy <BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>That's pretty close, although your numbers are a bit conservative imo.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>numbers must be a function of your resists (or by crushing, mitigation).

[FightGame]

<DIV>You can see the graphic when he fires off the tail lash.  He swings his tail around in front of him, and hits me (MT) with it.  There have been several fights where I keep him on me the entire fight, but yet I get hit with tail lash 3 or 4 times (and nobody else that is standing behind him, or on his side gets hit at all).</DIV> <DIV>I've seen it with other dragons as well.</DIV><p>Message Edited by FightGame on <span class=date_text>09-22-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:08 PM</span>

[Aven Elonis]

<P>FlintAH,</P> <P>Those numbers and timings based on recent parses for us.  </P> <P>I usually take the Energy Vortex with a 7K + resist. My mig is 6500 or so.</P> <P>(And no we have not beaten him yet, have gotten close several times, but then lose him into wall. Then all goes south really fast.)</P> <P>Concur that Vyemm and most name drop thier big aoe's once they have a target in range.</P>