Eye Farming... Again

[Druisagoldengod]

Okay taking the Mod's advice and starting a new post.The eyes for Godking.  Come on.  If it was an experiment, it failed... miserably.  In lieu of all the current T7 content I would think this is an obvious change.  Since the majority of the guilds are focusing on T7, T6 is, for the most part, going to waste.   Furthermore, your goal is to make this game fun.  Farming eyes for hours upon hours is most definitely not fun.  If I had my way, which is very dangerous, you would have access to the zone with a lockout timer much like Darathar and Deathtoll - get rid of the eyes completely.  However, if we want to compromise I feel the eyes not being consumed  and an additional increase to their coinciding Named spawn rate would be acceptable - were talking being able to farm them within a week AT THE MOST.  I looked through most of the last MONSTER post on this, and the majority if not all of it was saying this must be changed.  Now as a disclaimer if I have missed something I apologize preemptively.  All I know is my guild on Permafrost can do T7 raid content on a regular basis, but we have been farming eyes since DoF came out and it is very, unfun.Amondus of Permafrost <div></div>

[Dakkon_10]

It is about time farming eyes was made easier. Hardcore players have found new and more rewarding challenges and this one has become pointless. It is too time consuming for the casual raider and not not a good enough reward for the hardcore raider. The ''We did it the hard way so everyone else should'' is not a good enough excuse. Things change. This would be for the better.

[wayfaerer]

<DIV>Yes it would be good to make this easier. Myself and some members of my guild have done the peacock line up to the eye farming part but I just cannot bring myself to spend so much time camping these eyes.</DIV>

[Mescali]

<div></div>With 24 people and without having to compete for spawns anymore, you can probably get all 9 eyes in less than 8 hours.I don't think that's too much to ask for what is still pretty much the best readily available raiding priest 1H in the game.<div></div><p>Message Edited by Mescaline on <span class=date_text>09-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:49 PM</span>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Druisagoldengod wrote:<BR>Okay taking the Mod's advice and starting a new post.<BR><BR>The eyes for Godking.  Come on.  If it was an experiment, it failed... miserably.  In lieu of all the current T7 content I would think this is an obvious change.  Since the majority of the guilds are focusing on T7, T6 is, for the most part, going to waste.   Furthermore, your goal is to make this game fun.  Farming eyes for hours upon hours is most definitely not fun.  If I had my way, which is very dangerous, you would have access to the zone with a lockout timer much like Darathar and Deathtoll - get rid of the eyes completely.  However, if we want to compromise I feel the eyes not being consumed  and an additional increase to their coinciding Named spawn rate would be acceptable - were talking being able to farm them within a week AT THE MOST.  I looked through most of the last MONSTER post on this, and the majority if not all of it was saying this must be changed.  Now as a disclaimer if I have missed something I apologize preemptively.  All I know is my guild on Permafrost can do T7 raid content on a regular basis, but we have been farming eyes since DoF came out and it is very, unfun.<BR><BR>Amondus of Permafrost<BR>  <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>They did make it easyer. Now it takes alot less people to kill the named. And there is no competion for them.</P> <P>And if you have been farming eyes since DoF you should have them all. I have done godking 4 times. 1st time I learned the zone, 2nd time I got my priz 2.0. 3rd time get the people who missed it the 2nd time. 4th time was for the new people in the guild. That guild was a Famly raiding guild. We raided 3x a week. Only the 4th time was post KoS.</P> <P>Basicaly what I'm saying is its not that hard. If your guild wants it they sholud have had it along time ago. If your guild doeswn't want to get out of the labs then you will have to live without it.<BR></P>

[Druisagoldengod]

<div></div>Well, your opinion is totally valid, but keep in mind what I said about my guild.  We are a decent raiding guild on T7 stuff and we can dominate all T6 stuff... however since DoF came out we have been going after eyes and have yet to get a set.  8 hours seems beyond me at this point.  Also, there are quite a few guilds on Perma that still harvest eyes, so there is some demand left.And with all my posts... don't be a troll telling other players what to do or what not to do, we try to have fun.  State your opinion and some reasoning.  Do not tell me or my guild what to do.Amondus of Permafrost<div></div><p>Message Edited by Druisagoldengod on <span class=date_text>09-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:38 PM</span>

[Lord Eggnopol]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Mescaline wrote:<BR> With 24 people and without having to compete for spawns anymore, you can probably get all 9 eyes in less than 8 hours.<BR><BR>I don't think that's too much to ask for what is still pretty much the best readily available raiding priest 1H in the game.<BR> <P>Message Edited by Mescaline on <SPAN class=date_text>09-19-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:49 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Nope last 2 weeks we had 18 people farmed for 8 hours(5 hours 1 day and 3 the second) total and no eyes dropped<p>Message Edited by Lord Eggnopolis on <span class=date_text>09-19-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:56 PM</span>

[onimarox]

<P>ummm ya lets make content easier now that ummm everyone else has done it people know exactly how to deal with everything and there is no challange.... </P> <P>If you want something you will work for it. The rest of us had to so why cant u?</P>

[kenm]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>onimarox wrote:<div></div><p>If you want something you will work for it. The rest of us had to so why cant u?</p><hr></blockquote>Normally I'd agree with this logic, but the entire concept of eye farming was just so entirely idiotic that nobody should ever have to endure it.  It was the most boring and crappiest way ever conceived to gain access to a zone.I might have found it acceptable if the mobs were always up, but instead of being outrageously trivial they were actually difficult to kill. Clearing a ring event repeatedly for 8 hours to get a named mob about as weak as the placeholder to pop to get a single eye is not fun, it's not difficult, it's just... stupid.Now if you had to spend 8 hours trying out different strats to take down the mob due to it's immense difficulty, THAT would be fun.</div>

[MrMartin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> kenman wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Now if you had to spend 8 hours trying out different strats to take down the mob due to it's immense difficulty, THAT would be fun.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I totally agree with you.<BR>I have a bunch of guildies and all they need is to kill Godking to finish the quest but we probably wont cause we don't have the time to clear PHs until we fall asleep on our keyboard, its just plain and simple boring.</P> <P>Now if Silent City was actually an Instance and the nameds were always up and pretty hard to beat it wouldn't be so boring... it would actually be fun and challenging.</P>

[SageGaspar]

Ya, I wouldn't mind a guaranteed pop and drop if the event's up. Not like anyone's farming these guys for their phat lewt.For the record, I have actually done the eye farming too, I 'worked' for my reward, and I am okay making it easier for future generations <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Druisagoldengod]

Don't get the wrong idea, normally I am in the group who doesn't want to make the game easier.  There is a word for it that George Carlin had a rant about, his being directed towards the ****ification of America... but thats a different story.  The point here simply put is in this special case the dev's wanted to try an experiment with how it is currently.  And in my opinion, it is the worst.  The most unfun raid oriented content in the game.Amondus of Permafrost<div></div>

[Caetrel]

It is not in any way hard to get those eyes nowadays you can kill most if not all of the names with one group.  People just want a freebie for their alt. Just do it. <div></div>

[Druisagoldengod]

Well I can't speak for everyone, but I am not looking for a freebie for an alt.  I only play one char.  I want the final reward from a long line of quests that I worked pretty hard to get.  For those who say it is easy, they are not wrong.  However, they must know a secret that the VAST MAJORITY of people who are still trying for a Godking raid don't.  Those that say it can be done in a short amount of time I would think are quite lucky.  Something I have tried in the past is to get pick up Eye farming raids going.  However, interest is low from most of the guilds on the server in addition to the problem of who gets the eyes in the rare chance that one drops.   As it seems now, this is not a viable option.  Something else that came up in the last thread was the actual drop rate off the Named mobs.  The consensus was it was 100%.  Recently we killed one of the names and received no eye.  A master chest yes, but no eye.  Go figure.  I go back to one of my original points - camping these eyes for hours and hours is no fun.  Everquest 2 should not be easy, but it should not be a job either.  It is a game, it should be fun - especially for a monthly fee <span>:robottongue:</span>Amondus of Permafrost<div></div>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Druisagoldengod wrote:<BR>Well I can't speak for everyone, but I am not looking for a freebie for an alt.  I only play one char.  I want the final reward from a long line of quests that I worked pretty hard to get.  For those who say it is easy, they are not wrong.  However, they must know a secret that the VAST MAJORITY of people who are still trying for a Godking raid don't.  Those that say it can be done in a short amount of time I would think are quite lucky.  Something I have tried in the past is to get pick up Eye farming raids going.  However, interest is low from most of the guilds on the server in addition to the problem of who gets the eyes in the rare chance that one drops.   As it seems now, this is not a viable option.  Something else that came up in the last thread was the actual drop rate off the Named mobs.  The consensus was it was 100%.  Recently we killed one of the names and received no eye.  A master chest yes, but no eye.  Go figure.  I go back to one of my original points - camping these eyes for hours and hours is no fun.  Everquest 2 should not be easy, but it should not be a job either.  It is a game, it should be fun - especially for a monthly fee <SPAN>:robottongue:</SPAN><BR><BR>Amondus of Permafrost<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Godking weap isn't ment for everyone. It is ment for raiders. That is why its an epic quest. At level 70 I don't see the godking fight being any chalange. Once we leanred how to pull the godking it wasn't that hard at level 60.</P> <P>What your asking for is can me and everyone's alt have a godking weap. The answer is no. If you don't want to spend hour and hours farmign eyes. Then don't complain about it live without it. Nowhere in the game says that you have to do that.</P> <P>Next you will be saying I want a claymore, lower the levels of the mobs to kill so that I can get it!</P> <P>And if the chest didn't have an eye in it petition it. They are 100% drop.</P>

[Mescali]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lord Eggnopolis wrote:<div></div> <div></div> Nope last 2 weeks we had 18 people farmed for 8 hours(5 hours 1 day and 3 the second) total and no eyes dropped<hr></blockquote>This is just not possible.  The mobs that drop the Uzu eye pop 100% of the time if you clear the PHs fast enough.  The flayer ring is up every 4 hours and drops the eye 100% if you DPS fast enough.  The bird is up nearly all the time.  The x2 rings usually pop a named every 3-4 clears or so.  That just leaves the gnoll captain and goliathan.  How can you farm for 8 hours and get no eyes under these circumstances?  Some may be more annoying than others but compared to how much of a pain in the butt this was at level, it is trivial to a group or two of 70s (except maybe the flayer ring, which might take 3 groups).</div>

[thesilverf]

<DIV><FONT color=#ffffff></FONT></DIV> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=2>Personally I don’t think there should be a change to this now.<SPAN>  </SPAN>It’s been complained about since a month after launch when the hardcore guilds were doing it, and ever since, yet they haven’t budged on it, who knows if they will or not.</FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=2>It’s an end game item, and despite the fact that it was a previous expansion, it’s still one of the best healer items in existence.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Given the bland flavor of healer loot, I wouldn’t be surprised if I was still using it up till the next level cap raise. </FONT></P> <P><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#ffffff size=2>I’m willing to bet there’s more interest than you think on your server in getting this done.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Unfortunately there are horror stories and a lack of information that put people off of getting involved.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Who gets to keep the eyes shouldn’t even be a question, if you organize it, you keep the eyes.<SPAN>  </SPAN>You could make it more attractive by getting most of them first.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Posting on your server forums what you still need, set up a page on your guild website…</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffffff>We did FoL about 2.5 months ago to catch up some new people, and had to farm the eyes again.<SPAN>  </SPAN>I took one group into Silent city and came out 3 hours later with 5 eyes. Group set up was a Zerker, Conj, Brig, Temp, Inq and Fury.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Not exactly the best scenario.<SPAN>  </SPAN>We got 2 from mummies then spiregaze, blackfang Capt, and the Hand of the Godking. <SPAN> </SPAN>Sure, we got lucky on a few spawns firing quick, but there was little challenge outside of the Hand.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Hell I got a server first on some Scout arms from him.<SPAN>  </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffffff>We couldn’t do the Golems up top for Goliathan they just weren’t dying fast enough to start the ring, or even think about the Life and death ring.<SPAN>  </SPAN>But if you have even 5-8 regular players<SPAN>  </SPAN>willing to do this.<SPAN>  </SPAN>There’s no reason you shouldn’t be able to get 6-7 out of 9.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Then look for help for the last ones from your server.<SPAN>  </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT color=#ffffff>All in all, It was a ton easier, just because there was no one else in the zone.<SPAN>  </SPAN>I remember we lost the eye ring twice because of LD’s and lag.<SPAN>  </SPAN>This was back in T6, when you had 20 people above you and below you clearing golems and mummies.<SPAN>  </SPAN>Nowadays, the Life and Death ring is always up..<SPAN>   </SPAN>Just gather together a solid tank group, and 4-5 decent AE dps.<SPAN>  </SPAN>That should be enough.<SPAN>  </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>

[Aeslyn]

<P>We've been farming eyes about 2-3 days a week for a few hours a night now.  We have yet to get a full set of eyes (still short 1).</P> <P>And we're a raiding guild.  This is a horrible waste of time, to the point I think something has to be broken.</P> <P> </P>

[Lord Eggnopol]

<P>OK i stand corrected... we got multiple eyes that we have already but the other 3 eyes that we need to gain access NOTHING over 8 hours of farming.  One is Goliathan, the other is the x2 dynamic ring events at the bottom (Pharo Eye)  which you CANNOT get if you have more then 12 people in the raid it will be no loot/ no exp. and the other i believe is Uzu eye which NEVER has spawned a named for us no matter how fast we kill the ring event. So you cant say its 100% pop every time. </P>

[thesilverf]

<DIV><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lord Eggnopolis wrote:<BR> <P>OK i stand corrected... we got multiple eyes that we have already but the other 3 eyes that we need to gain access NOTHING over 8 hours of farming.  One is Goliathan, the other is the x2 dynamic ring events at the bottom (Pharo Eye)  which you CANNOT get if you have more then 12 people in the raid it will be no loot/ no exp. and the other i believe is Uzu eye which NEVER has spawned a named for us no matter how fast we kill the ring event. So you cant say its 100% pop every time. <BR> <HR> <P></P></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV>It's not 100% pop, it's a 100% Eye Drop.  If you aren't getting the named, it sounds like you aren't killing fast enough.  Don't wait between pulls and get every wave down in 2 minutes.  You have to be fast.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>For Goliathan  it's just a clear and hope waiting game.  Same with the x2 eye, but you only need 3-4 level 70's for those anyhow. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>You'd likely receive more support asking for an increase in the named pops on these specific rings events, than on changing the whole basis of the access. </DIV>

[Scort]

If all the ones before you had to suffer miserbly by this horrible experiment, then you all can too.

[Atmosphear1993]

<P>Why should a new tier of raiding and questlines warrent quest lines from a previous tier to be made easier?</P> <P>The Prism 2.0 reward is still an excellent reward and will last you well into T7.  To obtain such a good item, it requires both time and effort.  It is already easier for everyone since they can advance past level 60 and probably camp those mobs with little or no competition.  So take the time, like everyone else who has completed Prism 2.0 whether it was in T6 or T7, and camp those eyes if you desire Prism 2.0 so badly.  It was a pain in the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] then, and it should still be a pain in the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] now!</P>

[Dasein]

Eye farming was a mistake, and adds nothing to the game. SOE should correct their mistake and change the mechanics so that you do not need to get a new set of eyes each time. That other people played through broken content is no reason not to fix what is clearly a design flaw. <div></div>

[Dakkon_10]

How about we make it so you have to kill the four dragons for Deathtoll access EVERYTIME!!! Won't that be FUN??Seriously, if you did it the hard way then good for you, but it is THE most boring raid experience in the game. You have to really really want it to waste 8+ hours everytime you want to kill godking.Don't be an elitest, you know this is boring. Games are supposed to be fun/challenging not long/unrewarding.

[feronia28]

As someone who is on the OP server, I laugh at the fact that many times I go and see the Named epics up. As a player on Permafrost I also laugh how cheap a guild can buy them off the broker, atleast on our server.*sigh* The same arguement time and time again..The casuals expect that same reward without the effort, and once little effort is really needed (1-2 groups of 70s prior to 24 60s) they find another way to simply b8tch. Also, if an item isn't worth the effort, nobody is forcing you to do it.<p>Message Edited by feronia28 on <span class=date_text>09-20-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:43 PM</span>

[onimarox]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> feronia28 wrote:<BR>As someone who is on the OP server, I laugh at the fact that many times I go and see the Named epics up. As a player on Permafrost I also laugh how cheap a guild can buy them off the broker, atleast on our server.<BR><BR>*sigh* The same arguement time and time again..The casuals expect that same reward without the effort, and once little effort is really needed (1-2 groups of 70s prior to 24 60s) they find another way to simply b8tch. Also, if an item isn't worth the effort, nobody is forcing you to do it. <P>Message Edited by feronia28 on <SPAN class=date_text>09-20-2006</SPAN> <SPAN class=time_text>08:43 PM</SPAN><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>QFE

[onimarox]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>yay for double posting!</BLOCKQUOTE><p>Message Edited by onimarox on <span class=date_text>09-21-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:23 AM</span>

[SageGaspar]

Roflcakes, if the hardcore vs. casual battletroll raiders on the thread would focus as much attention on itemization issues as they do people wanting to bypass year-old monotonous content, maybe they'd have a priest item worth equipping over their godking weapon.

[Dasein]

This isn't an issue of hardcore vs. casual, it is an issue of fixing broken content. SOE was experimenting with a new method of controlling zone access. It didn't work, and so they should correct their mistake. <div></div>

[Mastire]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Caswydian wrote:<BR>This isn't an issue of hardcore vs. casual, it is an issue of fixing broken content. SOE was experimenting with a new method of controlling zone access. It didn't work, and so they should correct their mistake. <BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It did work I have my pris 2.0, if you want yours you will farm eyes.

[Krontak]

<DIV>Keeping eye farming in its current state makes as much sense as keeping all lower tiered access quests in place....oh wait...they removed most of those!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I'm not sure exactly what the solution would be but the argument that "when I was t6, we had to work for a living" is crap.  Most aren't t6 so gathering people to raid t6 content is like pulling teeth now even more so than when t6 was the current level.  And its not even that.  I've spent 3+ hours easily on more than one occasion with a full raid force trying to spawn a named with no luck.  That's just dumb. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>How about make these named spawn after max 3 clearings or something, or would this cause a farm fest or something?  I'm not sure but farming eyes in its current state is about as fun as pokin' your johnson in a pile of hot embers.</DIV>

[Coppun]

I have to agree with the nubs here.  eye farming is a complete waste of time.  I did pris 2.0 on 2 toons and did godking weekly in t6 since there was no content.  Farming eyes should be done once for the pain and the time sink.  After that you keep em or the person that placed them is flagged for access to zone.  Stop with the [Removed for Content].<div></div>

[DarkMirrax]

<P>Nah leave this as it is </P> <P> </P> <P>atm its a mark of a guild acompishment to do this still as you still need the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] eyes , the enounter may not be hard now BUT not many guild have done this on our server and as mentioned its still one of the best priests item in the game</P>

[kenm]

<div></div>Odd, that sounds exactly like the opposite of my server, where everybody and their grandmother seems to have prismatic 2 completed.  I actually got mine completed in a pickup raid,  spent about a week farming eyes and on the last day we pulled a 10 hour marathon of farming the last few and killing the godking.I'm not really sure what kind of accomplishment it is if *pickup raids* can do it. The accomplishment of not sucking hardcore?  That's a pretty poor reason to want to leave in hands down the worst and most annoying way to gain access to a zone.It's actually pretty confusing how SOE went and removed the need for all the fun access quests in the game, and made no changes to the one that just completely sucks. =<div></div>

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>onimarox wrote:<P>ummm ya lets make content easier now that ummm everyone else has done it people know exactly how to deal with everything and there is no challange.... </P><P>If you want something you will work for it. The rest of us had to so why cant u?</P><hr></blockquote>They worked for it. Where do you think they did not?

[RoninSenshi]

<DIV>Farming is NOT WORK. Farming is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Hell, as far as I'm concerned.. if you complete the "Eyes of Anuti Sul" quest, you should be in. I don't wanna have to farm eyes for a frikken week to get into a T6 Mob. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>I can live with having to get scales to summon the Maj'Dul Dragons, thats cool whatever, but this eye bs.. No thanks.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Dont come here talking about how hard you "worked" for something when all you did was sit down there and camp easy mobs to get your eyes. Thats not work, the spawn rate of the named is completly random, thusly its based off of how lucky you are.</DIV>

[Gungo]

<P>think about this for a sec really. Why do these mobs need PH anymore. These named should no longer have a PH and when they do Pop they should drop the eye 100% of the time. Because The onyl reason why we have Ph's is a time sink. Its a way to keep people busy while the developers make new content. Does it matter that some low level guilds want to do a quest 2 exapansions ago. Not one bit. Ideally No mob should ever have a ph, be a rare spawn, or drop a treasured chest. But those are all time sinks to give the developement team time to create more content. Ideally a game would forgo those require time sinks and produce enough continous content so that we would never need to farm or kill named over and over again. </P> <P>For now t6 is old content the eyes should be needed to enter the zone, but they should remove the PH from the ring events etc and make it a 1 time character flag key. There is so much old unused raid content. Let these people raid casually when they want to.</P>