Relic Drops, Labratory of Lord Vyemm

[Groma]

Does anyone have the slightest idea what is up with the drop rate in there?  3 nights now, my guild has gone in, killed every single non-named mob from the entrance all the way up to The Corsolander, and only 1 piece of relic armor.  Before they changed the boxes from wood chests to Fabled chests, we would get at least a couple pieces, but lately it seems to never happen.I'm just curious if it is just a string of bad luck for my guild, or if everyone who raids Labs has the same problem.  Also, if anyone kills trash mobs in Lyceum and Halls of Seeing, do you still get decent relic drops there?<div></div>

[Triste-Lune]

you have bad luck that's all, we get our share of relic every 1 day in a week since we are killing named. I cant believe you can go to corslander not killing anynamed. got that is just so lame to find a way to bypass nameds and only kill trash. that is really low. If you have the will to go through the tedium of training FDing to avoid everynamed you should really kill nameds instead it s easier and at least their loot is somewhat superior to relic.I hate bashing but stating you are going to farm trash 3 straight days in a row NOT killing any named to keep your timer open is just LAME.edit How are you reaching the corslander without killing the first named guarding the door?I sincerly hope i mistook your "3 nights now"<p>Message Edited by Triste-Lune on <span class=date_text>09-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:34 AM</span>

[kenm]

<div></div>While I can't speak for the past three days as I've been locked out, last week we saw 5 relic and 3 legendary drops before getting to the nameds.  Was almost kind of sad to see metal after metal. =But unless SOE stealth changed this when they nerfed my fun with the gnomish spring boots, it's just the random number generator.  That thing's so darn streaky.<div></div>

[Groma]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Triste-Lune wrote:you have bad luck that's all, we get our share of relic every 1 day in a week since we are killing named. I cant believe you can go to corslander not killing anynamed. got that is just so lame to find a way to bypass nameds and only kill trash. that is really low. If you have the will to go through the tedium of training FDing to avoid everynamed you should really kill nameds instead it s easier and at least their loot is somewhat superior to relic.I hate bashing but stating you are going to farm trash 3 straight days in a row NOT killing any named to keep your timer open is just LAME.<hr></blockquote>Our guild has been under a little bit of reconstruction since our GM sold out and half the well geared members left us to go exile.  We don't FD train anything in there, and to be honest i see nothing lame about taking an x3, with a full group in their 50s, to kill trash mobs.  The reason we do it this way is so we can gear up our main tank so he cant actually tank the named mobs effectively.  I didn't mention this in the original thread, but keep in mind we are on the Vox server, and an all Qeynos guild, so we don't have the luxury of utilizing every class in the game.  We've been there and done that on the named in the past, but with our current gear setup, we are hard pressed to kill anything past Slavering Alzid.  We tried farming relic in the first few halls, but after a week of doing it with no drops, or better yet the Inquis/SK only loot(for an all Qeynos guild) it gets old after a while.  Don't get all bent out of shape that we use a legitimate tactic to bypass mobs we stand no chance of killing, to get to mobs we can actually handle, it really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.</div>

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>kenman wrote:<div></div>While I can't speak for the past three days as I've been locked out, last week we saw 5 relic and 3 legendary drops before getting to the nameds.  Was almost kind of sad to see metal after metal. =But unless SOE stealth changed this when they nerfed my fun with the gnomish spring boots, it's just the random number generator.  That thing's so darn streaky.<div></div><hr></blockquote>We used to have good luck, nothing quite as good as you stated there, but at least a couple relic/legendary pieces before we saw our first named mob.  It just seems that since they changed from wood to metal box, the drop rate has been nill for us.  Its been so bad, im wondering if there is a GM toying with me.</div>

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>Triste-Lune wrote:edit How are you reaching the corslander without killing the first named guarding the door?I sincerly hope i mistook your "3 nights now"<p>Message Edited by Triste-Lune on <span class="date_text">09-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">08:34 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Pull with pet class, raid runs past, pet class dies and gets CoH from conjuror.  We are capable of killing Alzid, Pardas and whatever the lowbie named is, but the the loot they drop is already being equipped by those that need it so there is no point in getting a 5day20hr lockout for loot that will rot.Do any of you get relic off trash in Lyceum?</div>

[thesilverf]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR>Do any of you get relic off trash in Lyceum?<BR> <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Yes.  And..  It's only Epic x 2. :smileyvery-happy:

[Triste-Lune]

With the information you provided i can understand your situation.What happened to half your guild really suck.But well killing the first 3 named slavering forge dude and erudite you should get some items to gear you up, I dont know the situation on PVP server but getting scalelord armor and various light chittin and over legendary item to help your MT tank the nameds isnt that hard. i think that up to encaged everything in Lab is tankable in legendary. Loot from nameds > relic (excpet for a 2hander wich is the suck). i still think that the tedium of trainning possible reward. Lyceum i first tanked it in full legendary and we cleared the zone.I feel sorry for your guild...

[Groma]

Well, we don't even have a full x4 of 70s anymore, hell we are hard pressed to field an x3, if everyone is online.  Oh well, our newer guys are levelling fast and we will be back in action before much longer, and not getting any relic off that many trash mobs is driving us to want to kill the first 3 nameds regardless of how bad we need the loot.  I try to get my guys raid experience, started them out in T6, moved on to Temple of Scale and Labs.  Its a pvp server, hard to train people on how to raid in an open PvP zone like Temple of Scale, and if we do not bypass any named mobs in Labs, we only get like 15 pulls to work on.  I havent been into Lyceum in a LONG time, which is why i am curious of the drops. The other poster said the mobs were x2, you sure about that?  I seem to remember it being a hell of alot harder my first time in there.<div></div>

[Zarfto]

stop being weaksauce and kill the named, they are guaranteed loot and you wouldn't have to come here and moan about how the RNG is unfair.

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>Zarfto wrote:<div></div>stop being weaksauce and kill the named, they are guaranteed loot and you wouldn't have to come here and moan about how the RNG is unfair.<hr></blockquote>Scroll your noob [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] up and you will read that i explained why we don't kill the named. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]in post [Removed for Content] i swear.</div>

[Zarfto]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zarfto wrote:<BR> stop being weaksauce and kill the named, they are guaranteed loot and you wouldn't have to come here and moan about how the RNG is unfair.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Scroll your noob [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] up and you will read that i explained why we don't kill the named. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]in post [Removed for Content] i swear.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Yeah I'm a big post [Removed for Content] with my 52 posts. <insert roll eyes graphic here>

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>Zarfto wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> NadKS wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Zarfto wrote: <div></div>stop being weaksauce and kill the named, they are guaranteed loot and you wouldn't have to come here and moan about how the RNG is unfair. <hr> </blockquote>Scroll your noob [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] up and you will read that i explained why we don't kill the named. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]in post [Removed for Content] i swear.</div> <hr> </blockquote>Yeah I'm a big post [Removed for Content] with my 52 posts. <insert roll eyes graphic here><hr></blockquote>Then what was your point in the mindless trolling when you obviously didnt read anything but the first post in the thread? Enlighten me master of the sarcasm.</div>

[thesilverf]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR><BR>The other poster said the mobs were x2, you sure about that?  I seem to remember it being a hell of alot harder my first time in there.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Oh, I'm 100% positive they are <EM>labelled</EM> x2.  </P> <P>I think however the undead droag shipments got switched bettween DT and LoA.  cause these guys don't hit like any X2's I've ever healed for. The drop rate on relic in there is meh..  But good luck!</P>

[Zarfto]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>  3 nights now, my guild has gone in, killed every single non-named mob from the entrance all the way up to The Corsolander, <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That's all I needed to read to know it's lame, if you want fabled to gear up a tank go raid t6. Otherwise stop exploiting lockouts for whatever reason.

[Groma]

First off, our guys have t6 fabled, it doesnt do crap for us and most t7 legendary is better.As for exploiting a lockout, how do you figure?  We arent exploiting anything, and using legitimate strategy to bypass mobs we cannot kill.<div></div>

[Addex]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zarfto wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>  3 nights now, my guild has gone in, killed every single non-named mob from the entrance all the way up to The Corsolander, <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>That's all I needed to read to know it's lame, if you want fabled to gear up a tank go raid t6. Otherwise stop exploiting lockouts for whatever reason.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>Exploitin lockouts? exploiters were the ones farming labs non-stop the few days after KoS was launched. And T7 legendary is better.</P> <P>Nadks relic drops seem to suck lately..</P><p>Message Edited by Addex on <span class=date_text>09-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:38 AM</span>

[Zarfto]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>First off, our guys have t6 fabled, it doesnt do crap for us and most t7 legendary is better.<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Learn2play then.<BR>

[Addex]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Zarfto wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>First off, our guys have t6 fabled, it doesnt do crap for us and most t7 legendary is better.<BR><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Learn2play then.<BR><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Dude I really would like to see u raiding with a Q only guild in a PvP server....any thread need his troll I guess.<p>Message Edited by Addex on <span class=date_text>09-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:47 AM</span>

[Xede]

<DIV>my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing god i swear if i see another [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] relic drop rate thread im gonna [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing snap on someone</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the drop rate is totally random. Sometimes we get 5-6 relic pieces...other times we get 0 pieces.....please stop [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing about the drop rate. It has not been nerfed.</DIV>

[Gaellen]

<blockquote><hr>Patrix513 wrote:<div>my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing god i swear if i see another [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] relic drop rate thread im gonna [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing snap on someone</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>the drop rate is totally random. Sometimes we get 5-6 relic pieces...other times we get 0 pieces.....please stop [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing about the drop rate. It has not been nerfed.</div><hr></blockquote> Omg, I've figured it out.  It's Xede!  <i>Xede</i> somehow nerfed Labs.  Every week he and a dev sneak into the drop code and lower the values.  Such a vehement denial is practically a confession! Nerf Xede! <span>:smileywink:</span><div></div>

[Xede]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaellen wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Patrix513 wrote:<BR> <DIV>my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing god i swear if i see another [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] relic drop rate thread im gonna [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing snap on someone</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>the drop rate is totally random. Sometimes we get 5-6 relic pieces...other times we get 0 pieces.....please stop [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing about the drop rate. It has not been nerfed.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Omg, I've figured it out.  It's Xede!  <I>Xede</I> somehow nerfed Labs.  Every week he and a dev sneak into the drop code and lower the values.  Such a vehement denial is practically a confession!<BR><BR>Nerf Xede!<BR><BR><SPAN>:smileywink:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>>:O if the warlock class gets even more worse cause of that post i will hunt you down on my befallen alt and make life a living hell!</P> <P>and then i'd have to resort playing my fury as my main -_-</P> <P> </P> <P>EDIT: typed app instead of alt....im stupid</P><p>Message Edited by Patrix513 on <span class=date_text>09-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>12:12 PM</span>

[Gaellen]

Xede.  I'm on Befallen.  My life is already a living hell.   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> <div></div>

[Xede]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaellen wrote:<BR>Xede.  I'm on Befallen.  My life is already a living hell.   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>hah! :smileyvery-happy: true that</P> <P> </P> <P>but hey i can still try!</P>

[Gaellen]

<div></div><div></div>Oh wow.  Best idea ever!  Xede, come on over and make a guild called Noitulossid.  Then we can hang out with the Artlu Sulp En, and lag zones out together! And back on topic, no, it's not nerfed it is just really really random.  So one week you get 0, one week you get 10, four weeks you get 1, and so on.  <p>Message Edited by Gaellen on <span class=date_text>09-14-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:09 PM</span>

[Groma]

<blockquote><hr>Gaellen wrote:<div></div><div></div>Oh wow.  Best idea ever!  Xede, come on over and make a guild called Noitulossid.  Then we can hang out with the Artlu Sulp En, and lag zones out together! And back on topic, no, it's not nerfed it is just really really random.  So one week you get 0, one week you get 10, four weeks you get 1, and so on.  <p>Message Edited by Gaellen on <span class="date_text">09-14-2006</span> <span class="time_text">01:09 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Thanks<div></div>

[Be-min]

<DIV>Relic drops are totally random, if they have been nerfed they wern't nerfed by much.  We were in there last week and had 4 pieces drop before we got to the first named, MO popped and we left the zone.  Went in the next night, cleared the zone and zero relic:smileyhappy:.   </DIV>

[Deyja]

<DIV>Heya Man</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>We have had good and bad luck in both Lyceum and Labs for relic gear, its just the luck of the dice.  Just keep on doing what your doing and you'll be good to go.  Good luck with Karma, we miss the old pvp battles we had with you guys.  Hopefully you guys will be back to full strength soon.   Cya on the battlefield!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Kilroy</DIV>

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>Deyja wrote:<div>Heya Man</div> <div> </div> <div>We have had good and bad luck in both Lyceum and Labs for relic gear, its just the luck of the dice.  Just keep on doing what your doing and you'll be good to go.  Good luck with Karma, we miss the old pvp battles we had with you guys.  Hopefully you guys will be back to full strength soon.   Cya on the battlefield!</div> <div> </div> <div> </div> <div>Kilroy</div><hr></blockquote>Thanks Kilroy.  We ran Lyceum tonight, did way better than expected.  Cleared the trash, took down the first named Essence of Fear but couldnt kill the others.  Got relic chain legs and the fables belt off named.  Wasnt too bad, at least i know relic armor does in fact exist on vox <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  We'll be at full strength before too much longer, don't worry <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>

[MrMartin]

<P>Yeah, its probably the RNG in the works but last time we went in to Labs we didnt get our first relic until the first mob after The Doom Trio. Not even a legendary box... except from Pardas Predd and the Doom Trio. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>Usually you get atleast 1 relic and maybe a legendary before The Slavering Alzid.</P> <P>Ohh well, the Warlock got a "nice" new hat atleast. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[FlintAH]

<div></div><div>Are you on a PvP server?</div><p>Message Edited by FlintAH on <span class=date_text>09-15-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:09 AM</span>

[Sirlutt]

totally random .. 4 bits last night .. 3 one after another.. plus a bunch of othe good loot on what started to be a trash run cos both our better equiped tanks were offline.. the vibe was good so we turned it into a full run and our makeshift mostly legendary Zerker tanked all the way to the end including doing Alzid first on first pull and Vymm shortly after on 2nd pull.. Awesome night.<div></div>

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:<div></div><div>Are you on a PvP server?</div><p>Message Edited by FlintAH on <span class="date_text">09-15-2006</span> <span class="time_text">09:09 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Yes, Qeynos side.</div>

[Tanit]

Oh come on, do we need a thread about this every week?<div></div>

[KazzySoJaz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>Does anyone have the slightest idea what is up with the drop rate in there?  3 nights now, my guild has gone in, killed every single non-named mob from the entrance all the way up to The Corsolander, and only 1 piece of relic armor.  Before they changed the boxes from wood chests to Fabled chests, we would get at least a couple pieces, but lately it seems to never happen.<BR><BR>I'm just curious if it is just a string of bad luck for my guild, or if everyone who raids Labs has the same problem.  Also, if anyone kills trash mobs in Lyceum and Halls of Seeing, do you still get decent relic drops there?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>If you want relic, do DT, drops like candy in there...

[Groma]

Don't think a Qeynos only guild has ever been to DT, hell if i'm not mistaken, a qeynos guild just killed Vyemm for the first time a week or so ago.On the topic at hand, we ran it again last night, got 2 pieces of relic and some legendary gloves, so at least i have seen with my own eyes that its not broken.<div></div>

[KazzySoJaz]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>Don't think a Qeynos only guild has ever been to DT, hell if i'm not mistaken, a qeynos guild just killed Vyemm for the first time a week or so ago.<BR><BR>On the topic at hand, we ran it again last night, got 2 pieces of relic and some legendary gloves, so at least i have seen with my own eyes that its not broken.<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>I think most of that is because the hardcore players go towards Freeport =P</P> <P> </P> <P>But yea back on topic, Labs relic sucks, I do not see why people do pick up raids for it anymore, waste more time than it is worth.  The only plus I see is casual people can hit epics up, maybe get them into real raiding.</P>

[Seth]

Relic drops in all zone were nerfed to hell. Cleared whole instances named included gives 0 to 2 relics at the most per instance. Mostly 0 or 1.*hits homerun with nerf bat*<div></div>

[Kriddle Kraddle]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Sethir wrote:<BR>Relic drops in all zone were nerfed to hell. Cleared whole instances named included gives 0 to 2 relics at the most per instance. Mostly 0 or 1.<BR><BR>*hits homerun with nerf bat*<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>and how many times has this happened? Once, twice? I mean you cant just say something is nerfed like this without testing it several times in the same zone. I think my guild has done Labs 40+ times and sometimes we get 0 relic and other times we get 10. Just understand its random and stop posting this crap. Same thing goes for all loot in the game. We have never once seen Doomrage spaulders and only one time seen Doomrage greaves yet some other guilds have 4-5 pairs of each and done the raid less than we have. Yes it sucks sometimes but ITS RANDOM.<p>Message Edited by Kriddle Kraddle on <span class=date_text>09-17-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:40 AM</span>

[Lairdragna]

<div><blockquote><hr>NadKS wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Our guild has been under a little bit of reconstruction since our GM sold out and half the well geared members left us to go exile.  We don't FD train anything in there, and to be honest i see nothing lame about taking an x3, with a full group in their 50s, to kill trash mobs.  The reason we do it this way is so we can gear up our main tank so he cant actually tank the named mobs effectively.  I didn't mention this in the original thread, but keep in mind we are on the Vox server, and an all Qeynos guild, so we don't have the luxury of utilizing every class in the game.  We've been there and done that on the named in the past, but with our current gear setup, we are hard pressed to kill anything past Slavering Alzid.  We tried farming relic in the first few halls, but after a week of doing it with no drops, or better yet the Inquis/SK only loot(for an all Qeynos guild) it gets old after a while.  Don't get all bent out of shape that we use a legitimate tactic to bypass mobs we stand no chance of killing, to get to mobs we can actually handle, it really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.</blockquote></div><hr></blockquote>I call BS... three groups in their 50s clearing the trash?  RIGGGGGHT!</div>

[Miroh]

<b><i><font color="#ff0000"> I heard if you kill named it ups the drop rate....cough....</font></i></b><div></div>

[onimarox]

<BLOCKQUOTE>I know what the problem here is!!!!!!<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> NadKS wrote:<BR>Does anyone have the slightest idea what is up with the drop rate in there?  <FONT color=#cc0000>3 nights now, my guild has gone in, killed every single non-named mob from the entrance all the way up to The Corsolander, and only 1 piece of relic armor</FONT>.  Before they changed the boxes from wood chests to Fabled chests, we would get at least a couple pieces, but lately it seems to never happen.<BR><BR>I'm just curious if it is just a string of bad luck for my guild, or if everyone who raids Labs has the same problem.  Also, if anyone kills trash mobs in Lyceum and Halls of Seeing, do you still get decent relic drops there?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>its ment to be raided once a week not every night<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[FightGame]

someone stop this cd, it's skipping badly.

[Chefren]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lairdragna wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>NadKS wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Our guild has been under a little bit of reconstruction since our GM sold out and half the well geared members left us to go exile.  We don't FD train anything in there, and to be honest i see nothing lame about taking an x3, with a full group in their 50s, to kill trash mobs.  The reason we do it this way is so we can gear up our main tank so he cant actually tank the named mobs effectively.  I didn't mention this in the original thread, but keep in mind we are on the Vox server, and an all Qeynos guild, so we don't have the luxury of utilizing every class in the game.  We've been there and done that on the named in the past, but with our current gear setup, we are hard pressed to kill anything past Slavering Alzid.  We tried farming relic in the first few halls, but after a week of doing it with no drops, or better yet the Inquis/SK only loot(for an all Qeynos guild) it gets old after a while.  Don't get all bent out of shape that we use a legitimate tactic to bypass mobs we stand no chance of killing, to get to mobs we can actually handle, it really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.</blockquote></div><hr></blockquote>I call BS... three groups in their 50s clearing the trash?  RIGGGGGHT!</div><hr></blockquote>I call reading comprehension problems...his post says one full group is in their 50s. That still leaves two groups you know.</div>

[Dufre]

<DIV>Did labs on Sat the relic has always been random.</DIV> <DIV>2 Silk BP</DIV> <DIV>2 Chain BP</DIV> <DIV>1Chain pants</DIV> <DIV>2 Silk pants</DIV> <DIV>1 Chain mantle</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>If you don't believe its random I will post [Removed for Content] of the guild drops for that day.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Triste-Lune]

we cleared lab on friday lab we got : 1 silk robe 1 chain BP 2 silk pants and 1 sabaton.we cleared CT on saturday got : toooo many relic maybe over 10, 4 velium stuff and 6 lvl 70 master but named dropped trash. Crappy shield from Tari 2hander from Drake. Where are the really good items you think the nameds would drop??

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>onimarox wrote:<div></div> <blockquote>I know what the problem here is!!!!!! <blockquote> <hr> NadKS wrote:Does anyone have the slightest idea what is up with the drop rate in there?  <font color="#cc0000">3 nights now, my guild has gone in, killed every single non-named mob from the entrance all the way up to The Corsolander, and only 1 piece of relic armor</font>.  Before they changed the boxes from wood chests to Fabled chests, we would get at least a couple pieces, but lately it seems to never happen.I'm just curious if it is just a string of bad luck for my guild, or if everyone who raids Labs has the same problem.  Also, if anyone kills trash mobs in Lyceum and Halls of Seeing, do you still get decent relic drops there? <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>its ment to be raided once a week not every night</blockquote><hr></blockquote>Never said we raided it 3 days in a row, or 3 days in a week, but i love how people are so bent out of shape that it is possible to kill all the trash in there while not touching a named.On topic, last 2 times in we got some 8 pieces of relic combined, so my faith in the zone has been restored, and i was the unluckiest raid leader in the world for a few weeks. Thanks for the comments everyone.</div>

[Lairdragna]

<div><blockquote><hr>Chefren wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>Lairdragna wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>NadKS wrote:<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Our guild has been under a little bit of reconstruction since our GM sold out and half the well geared members left us to go exile.  We don't FD train anything in there, and to be honest i see nothing lame about taking an x3, with a full group in their 50s, to kill trash mobs.  The reason we do it this way is so we can gear up our main tank so he cant actually tank the named mobs effectively.  I didn't mention this in the original thread, but keep in mind we are on the Vox server, and an all Qeynos guild, so we don't have the luxury of utilizing every class in the game.  We've been there and done that on the named in the past, but with our current gear setup, we are hard pressed to kill anything past Slavering Alzid.  We tried farming relic in the first few halls, but after a week of doing it with no drops, or better yet the Inquis/SK only loot(for an all Qeynos guild) it gets old after a while.  Don't get all bent out of shape that we use a legitimate tactic to bypass mobs we stand no chance of killing, to get to mobs we can actually handle, it really has nothing to do with the topic at hand.</blockquote></div><hr></blockquote>I call BS... three groups in their 50s clearing the trash?  RIGGGGGHT!</div><hr></blockquote>I call reading comprehension problems...his post says one full group is in their 50s. That still leaves two groups you know.</div><hr></blockquote>True enough, a late not read of that and I didn't see the commas setting it off.  I read it in conjunction with his previous post about three groups as to be the raid force in its entirety.  Yes, a full group in their 50s could tag along, but to what effect?  The 50s couldn't hit anything, they could heal cross group.  Interspersed with the other two groups their buffs could be beneficial I suppose.  They would however need to be pretty far out of range to avoid the AOEs however.  Any player in their 50s would be one shotted if caught within the AOE range of a Thermotauge for example.  Even with two groups in their 60s and some 50s thrown in, you're going to have issues with a lot of the trash and I find it pretty hard to believe they could get to and through all the trash right up to the Triad and Crosolander.And I would love to know how they are getting past all these nameds without doing the FD train and COH because it must be an interesting trick.  The first named stands in front of the door you need to get through.  He has to be pulled away, and they claim they aren't killing the named.  They have to get him away from those doors so the raid party can pass through to get to the bulk of the trash.</div>

[Groma]

Not gonna quote cause it would be long as hell, but this is in responce to Lairdragna.Pet pull and run like hell, an illusionist can easily make it to the zone in before the mob resets and the raid can slip by Slavering Alzid.  The trio of named, some pet class has to take a death, but the raid gets by and fights the Firedrake on the ramp right past the named room.  No need to fight Uncaged Alzid, easy to walk around him when you spawn him.  The first Eyeball(name is too hard to remember and i would only butcher it anyway) you have a monk trigger the dialogue, and immediately FD, pet pull and run it off as the raid slips by again.  From there you are solid up to the Endbringer/Ruiner combos, right before The Corsolander and whats his face.  We often skip the trash right in front of Pardas, because in 30-40 Labs runs, they have only dropped 1 item, and it was Inquis/SK or Mystic/Defiler armor, don't remember which but we didnt need either.  If ya still don't believe its possible, i guess i can drop a screeny of an X3/x4 with a bunch of 50s and low 60s standing in view of The Corsolander, but i don't see how it is really necessary.  All you need is a few DPS classes, and a MT group consisting of Zerker, Bard, Swash, Warden, Templar, Mystic and you can tank all day.<div></div>

[Argyuile]

    Its random, and like all random events reading into it is just superstition<p><b>superstition</b></p> n : an irrational belief arising from ignorance or fear<div></div>

[Lairdragna]

Thanks, I'd love to see that screenshot.So how are these 50s and low 60s surviving the Thermotauge hits?<div></div>

[Trynnus1]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Lairdragna wrote:<BR>Thanks, I'd love to see that screenshot.<BR><BR>So how are these 50s and low 60s surviving the Thermotauge hits?<BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Ahhh - our guild just ranged attacks him with MT and MA in range of AEO.

[Groma]

<div><blockquote><hr>Lairdragna wrote:Thanks, I'd love to see that screenshot.So how are these 50s and low 60s surviving the Thermotauge hits?<div></div><hr></blockquote>They aren't, if they happen to get in range they die out of fear before the spell lands.  Mostly the low levels are either support classes that we needed, or lower members who just wanted to tag along, and stay as far out of range as possible.  When i get home from work, i will try to remember to dig up a screenie for you, and hopefully photobucket wont be so [Removed for Content] and you will actually be able to see the raid window with their reduced pic size.  Been as deep as the Deathbringers behind Uncaged Alzid with a group of 9, but all well equipped, 3 healers in the MT group, and we died quite a few times trying to get there.  It is possible as a 100% Qeynos guild, but having 3 healers in the MT group, with at least a 4th healer helping bring him back up from the initial pull dmg is almost a must.  Its a tough zone with limited classes, but we figuring it all out in time.</div>

[Lairdragna]

If you can do that Sir, my hat is off to you!<div></div>

[Groma]

We ran this last night, killing nameds.  Anyone have the bug where the first Gazer is immune to......everything?  45 minute long fight, everyone in there beating on it with melee, because it was immune to anything we threw at it.  Took us forever. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Argyuile]

    Ive seen him be melee immune for the whole fight but ive never seen him immune to everything for the whole fight.  Sounds like a perception issue to me do you have any logs?<div></div>

[KazzySoJaz]

<div><blockquote><hr>Argyuile wrote:    Ive seen him be melee immune for the whole fight but ive never seen him immune to everything for the whole fight.  Sounds like a perception issue to me do you have any logs?<div></div><hr></blockquote>I think he used to change mid fight, but now he seems to be completely melee immune.  I just use all of my fire based attacks or anything magical, shocker etc...</div>

[Lairdragna]

Our last go he was melee immune to the last 20%.  Gets frustrating, but I can't see why he would possibly take 45 minutes unless bugged, and this is the first I've heard.  That mob is actually pretty [Removed for Content].  Free AOE on the pull to kill his pets, go nutso on your spell attacks, don't stand on the tiles that form a cross on the ground, stand in the middle of the room or you'll possibly be ported into HoF and need to be CoHed back.  Average fight is done in maybe 2-3 minutes at the most it seems.<div></div>

[Argyuile]

    Well if he was immune to melee and magic how was he killed at all?  <b><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0394054/" target=_blank>Gorman</a></b>: Apone! Look... we can't have any firing in there. I, uh... I want you to collect magazines from everybody. <b><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000200/" target=_blank>Hudson</a></b>: Is he ****in' crazy? <b><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0743768/" target=_blank>Frost</a></b>: What the hell are we supposed to use man? Harsh language? <div></div>

[Lairdragna]

<div><blockquote><hr>Argyuile wrote:    Well if he was immune to melee and magic how was he killed at all?  <b><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0394054/" target="_blank">Gorman</a></b>: Apone! Look... we can't have any firing in there. I, uh... I want you to collect magazines from everybody. <b><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000200/" target="_blank">Hudson</a></b>: Is he ****in' crazy? <b><a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0743768/" target="_blank">Frost</a></b>: What the hell are we supposed to use man? Harsh language? <div></div><hr></blockquote>He ran with scissors and poked his own eye out... duh!</div>

[noogabooga]

Lab relic drop has changed... we had 2 relic drops from name mobs last night in addition to the normal name drops. And after 2 lab runs on consecutive days (trash run previous night), they now dont SEEM to drop as often?? only had 1 relic from trash during each run.

[Ebarel]

<DIV>No, 0, zero relic drop this weekend but vendor-trashing those INQ/SK only items (even from trashmobs) gets boring.</DIV>

[Groma]

Well, as of Saturday, Deathtoll stopped dropping relic and started dropping a boatload of Legendary weapons and Master spells. Dunno [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is going on.<div></div>

[Argyuile]

    Well the agro on Alzid prime changed last patch also so who knows what the hell is going on.<div></div>

[Gaellen]

<blockquote><hr>NadKS wrote:Well, as of Saturday, Deathtoll stopped dropping relic and started dropping a boatload of Legendary weapons and Master spells. Dunno [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is going on.<div></div><hr></blockquote> For you, maybe.  We got relic in DT this week just like normal. It's called chance, folks, I'm sure the devs have better things to do with their time than change drop rates every other patch just to mystify you.<div></div>

[Argyuile]

    They change the vyemm encounter all the time what makes you think they wouldn't tweek drop rates?<div></div>

[Be-min]

<DIV>Killed him last night, encounter seemed the same as it has been for months. <shrug></DIV>

[Argyuile]

    If you have a coercer mabye.   For those of us that don't have a coercer belive me it changed.<div></div>

[Gaellen]

We didn't have a coercer with, seemed the same as usual...?  What's it doing to you? <div></div>

[Argyuile]

    We would send a pet on vyemm and alzid would head strait for the raid.  We would break alzid and then engage vyemm when he showed up.    Now when you sick a pet on vyemm alzid assists him in killing the pet instead of coming strait for the raid and as a result they both come at the raid at the same time.    We changed our pull and got them anyways but its annoying to have to learn a new pull every week.<div></div>

[Trynnus1]

<P>Over the last month our guild has averaged 1 relic per lab run - about 8 runs so far.</P> <P>Then on Saturday night we got 5 relics + 2 legendary pieces - trash only. then last night - nothing again.</P> <P>Anyone else notice a change?</P>

[Zarfto]

<P>Say it with me:</P> <P> </P> <P>It's Random</P> <P>It's Random</P> <P>It's Random</P> <P>It's Random</P> <P>It's Random</P> <P>It's Random</P> <P>It's Random</P> <P>It's Random</P> <P>It's Random</P> <P>It's Random</P> <P>It's Random</P> <P> </P>

[Isard]

<P>um, It's Random?</P> <P> </P> <P>Did a relic trash run on Unrest on Saturday, didn't kill any named.  I believe we had 6 relic drops and a Legendary caster glove drop.  Relic pieces were 2 plate, 2 cloth and either 1 or 2 chain.  No leather <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P>

[Trynnus1]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Isard wrote:<BR> <P>um, It's Random?</P> <P> </P> <P>Did a relic trash run on Unrest on Saturday, didn't kill any named.  I believe we had 6 relic drops and a Legendary caster glove drop.  Relic pieces were 2 plate, 2 cloth and either 1 or 2 chain.  No leather <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P> </P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We had a good run <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> can not believe i lost the gaunts (i rolled 493 to be beat by 496).

[Trynnus1]

What does everything think about moving relic drops onto named only and decreasing the lockout timer? Say 3 days? I am tired of trash runs but guild does not want to be locked out.

[Groma]

We gave up on the trash runs, gets old.  Suprisingly, we got 2 pieces of Relic off named mobs.  First was cloth sleeves on Slavering Alzid, second was Relic Cloth Slippers from the second eyeball next to Vyemm's arena.  But [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] its hard to kill Vyemm with an all Qeynos build, any pointers?<div></div>

[Tazr]

Nad, while I wont really go through all our strats on the forums opening, since not everyone wants to hear them or even cares about them.. Feel free to drop me a PM or make a character on Blackburrow and I will give you my vent info so I can give you some pointers and help you out.  I'm really glad you decided to go for the names, some of our greatest raids have been first kills on Lab runs.  So drop into blackburrow or PM me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I'm Dazzil on the server.

[GwenRelentless]

<DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>In the last 5 labs/lyceum raids there have been a total of:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>28 Plate items</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>12 Chain items</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>9 Leather items</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>3 Cloth items. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>what gives? why so much plate? why so little cloth. This can't be random. If it is random, random is the wrong way to do loot in my opinion. This is causeing huge problems in my guild. A little less then half of our raid force are cloth wearers. If this keeps up, we will loose them and wont be able to raid anymore. Whats the point when your plate/chain wearers are all equipt and no cloth is dropping. Please we are begging you someone look into this and make sure this is really the way you want loot to drop. I would suggest looking into some kind of model that takes into concideration what has dropped and attempts to balance loot in a 1/4:1/4:1/4:1/4 (plate/leather/chain/cloth) ratio. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>How this could be achieved: First, generate a random number of items to be on mobs in the whole zone. Next, divide this number into 4 equal parts. T </FONT> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>In the last 5 labs/lyceum raids there have been:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>28 Plate items</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>12 Chain items</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>9 leather items</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>3 cloth items. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>what gives? why so much plate? why so little cloth. This can't be random. If it is random, random is the wrong way to do loot in my opinion. This is causeing huge problems in my guild. A little less then half of our raid force are cloth wearers. If this keeps up, we will loose them and wont be able to raid anymore. Whats the point when your plate/chain wearers are all equipt and no cloth is dropping. Please we are begging you someone look into this and make sure this is really the way you want loot to drop. I would suggest looking into some kind of model that takes into concideration what has dropped and attempts to balance loot in a 1/4:1/4:1/4:1/4 (plate/leather/chain/cloth) ratio. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>How this could be achieved: First roll a random number of total chests to be dropped if every mob in the zone is killed. (say, 10) Divide that number into four reletively equal groups. (for each of the four armor types) For example cloth =2, plate = 2, leather = 3, chain =3. Randomly generate the items within that armor type.  </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>example:</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>2 cloth = Relic Silk Cap, Dracomaner bindings. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>2 plate = Relic Plate Wristguards, Belt of the Doomflight. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>3 leather = Gnorb'l's Hollowed Eyestalk, Focal Serenity Master 1, Excarnate Wristguards. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>3 chain = Nightchord gloves, Relic chain greaves, Belt of Dragorn.</FONT></DIV> <DIV>(sometimes things will overlap a little when items are useable for different armor types. As long as that type is represented as usable it should be ok)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Next, randomly fill the chests on nameds with the items generated.</DIV> <DIV>Last, put left over items in chests on trash mobs.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>This is just one way to do it, I'm sure there are lots of ways and of course each mob's loot table must be concidered, however I think something simelar to this could be done with checks and balances before loot is dropped. (Another way is to randomly generate the first item and then each next item that drops is based on the ratio of what armor type items have been dropped already)</DIV> <DIV> </DIV></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>If anyone else would like to post their loot results please do. I would love to be proven wrong that there is a bias toward plate. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>Thanks</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT color=#00ccff>Edit: wanted to mention my guild kills all nameds exept the one at the end of lyceum (we should be able to get him next time since this saturday we killed Vymm for the first time) </FONT></DIV> <P>Message Edited by GwenRelentless on <SPAN class=date_text>10-03-2006</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text>06:38 PM</SPAN><SPAN class=time_text></SPAN></P><p>Message Edited by GwenRelentless on <span class=date_text>10-03-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:09 PM</span>

[Groma]

<div></div>This was our labs run on the 18th and 25th.  All mobs up until the named Droag in front of The Corsolander, as well as Uncaged Alzid, were killed.  We were short on people so didnt go further.09/18/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=461" target="_blank">Adamantine Doomhammer</a>09/18/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=462" target="_blank">Relic Plate Barbute</a>09/18/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=463" target="_blank">Nemesis Chain Gloves</a>09/18/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=464" target="_blank">Serpentine Skewer</a>09/18/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=465" target="_blank">Dracomancer Gloves</a>09/18/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=466" target="_blank">Relic Leather Boots</a>09/18/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=467" target="_blank">Relic Leather Shoulder Pads</a>09/18/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=468" target="_blank">Sash of Peredition</a>09/25/06 <font color="#ff3300"><a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=483" target="_blank">Doomrage Greaves</a></font>09/25/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=482" target="_blank">Doomrage gauntlets</a>09/25/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=481" target="_blank">Relic Plate Spaulders</a>09/25/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=487" target="_blank">Relic Plate Spaulders</a>09/25/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=484" target="_blank">Relic Leather Tunic</a>09/25/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=485" target="_blank">Adamantine Doomhammer</a>09/25/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=486" target="_blank">Excarnate Handwraps</a>09/25/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=488" target="_blank">Vambraces of Umpiety</a>09/25/06 <a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=489" target="_blank">Belt of the doomflight</a>Ths links aren't going to work for anyone else, but im too lazy to edit them all out.  this is copy/paste from my guilds DKP site.  When we update it, i will add Monday nights loot to give you an idea.  On these 2 runs, none of the relic came from named mobs.<div></div>

[Tazr]

I may have read some of the threads wrong but are you guys getting relic from named?  I can't say in the 5 million lab runs we have done I have seen relic drop off of named, or at least not enough to make it substantially memorable <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[22224446]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Tazric wrote:<BR> I may have read some of the threads wrong but are you guys getting relic from named?  I can't say in the 5 million lab runs we have done I have seen relic drop off of named, or at least not enough to make it substantially memorable <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>once i saw it too. but mainly halls of seeing is the zone, where u can get relic usualy from nameds.</P> <P>basicly u have chance to get any loots from any mob within labs. how to understand this:</P> <P>nameds have usualy a special item type to drop in the zone, like shoulderpads, or chests (vyemm), hats (uncaged), etc. once happened, we get a fabled chest from the named who (slavering alzid if i'm not wrong) usualy drops the leggings. it was weird a little. another time we have got a fabled legging from a trash mob. so, thats why i said u have chance to get any loot from any mob, maybe it won't happen, coz this chance is so low.</P> <P> </P> <P>basicly, if u wanna make a relic farm, u have more chance if u make it with 2, or 2,5 group as a full raid.</P><p>Message Edited by yabbagabb on <span class=date_text>10-05-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:07 PM</span>

[Hamervelder]

<div><blockquote><hr>thesilverfox wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> NadKS wrote:The other poster said the mobs were x2, you sure about that?  I seem to remember it being a hell of alot harder my first time in there. <div></div> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Oh, I'm 100% positive they are <em>labelled</em> x2.  </p> <p>I think however the undead droag shipments got switched bettween DT and LoA.  cause these guys don't hit like any X2's I've ever healed for. The drop rate on relic in there is meh..  But good luck!</p><hr></blockquote>Definitely.  For X2 "trash" mobs, those guys in Lyceum hit like dump trucks.</div>

[Groma]

This is Monday's run.  Names dropping relic, etc.<div></div>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=503" target="_blank">Relic Plate Barbute     Trash mob</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=514" target="_blank">Nemesis Shoulderguard      Trash Mob</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=499" target="_blank">Relic silk Cowl   Dropped off Slavering Alzid</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=500" target="_blank">Draketoth Hoop    Dropped off Slavering Alzid</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=501" target="_blank">Draconic Deflector    Dropped off </a><a href="http://www.raidwiki.org/wiki/index.php/The_Laboratory_of_Lord_Vyemm#Doomright_Vakrizt" target="_blank"><span class="toctext">Doomright Vakrizt</span></a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=502" target="_blank">Absolution     Dropped off Pardas Pred</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=504" target="_blank">Nightcord Gloves      Trash mob</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=505" target="_blank">Doomrage Vambraces       Trash mob</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=506" target="_blank">Absolution       Uncaged Alzid</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=507" target="_blank">Relic Leather Shoulders      Trash Mob</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=508" target="_blank">Chestplate of Fiery Might        </a><a href="http://www.raidwiki.org/wiki/index.php/The_Laboratory_of_Lord_Vyemm#Uustalastus_Xiterrax" target="_blank"><span class="toctext">Uustalastus Xiterrax</span></a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=513" target="_blank">Relic Silk Slippers    </a><a href="http://www.raidwiki.org/wiki/index.php/The_Laboratory_of_Lord_Vyemm#Euktrzkai_Amdaatk" target="_blank"><span class="toctext">Euktrzkai Amdaatk</span></a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=509" target="_blank">Relic Plate Sabatons      Trash Mob</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=510" target="_blank">Doomrage gauntlets        Trash Mob</a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=511" target="_blank">Rak'lekto Runeblade of the Doomflight       </a><a href="http://www.raidwiki.org/wiki/index.php/The_Laboratory_of_Lord_Vyemm#Doomsworn_Zatrakh" target="_blank"><span class="toctext">Doomsworn Zatrakh</span></a>10/02/06<a href="http://www.eq2karma.com/eqdkp/viewitem.php?s=&i=512" target="_blank">Chestplate of Fiery Might        The Corsolander</a><div></div>

[GwenRelentless]

<P>Well its nice to see a few pieces of cloth dropping for you guys.</P> <P>Still it looks like plate is a bit over represented doesnt it?</P> <P>Since I posted in this thread last, I heard from a few different raiding guilds on my server that they think SOE does a monthly cycle where each month there is more of one type of armour dropping. This belief actually does makes sence. I was rading labs a lot last spring doing trash runs and it seems like a lot of cloth relic was dropping and not very much plate at all. Now its the opposite. Somethings definatly going on in my opinion.</P> <P>Any devs confirm or deny this? In other words, is this just plate month?</P>

[Groma]

<blockquote><hr>GwenRelentless wrote:<div></div> <p>Well its nice to see a few pieces of cloth dropping for you guys.</p> <p>Still it looks like plate is a bit over represented doesnt it?</p> <p>Since I posted in this thread last, I heard from a few different raiding guilds on my server that they think SOE does a monthly cycle where each month there is more of one type of armour dropping. This belief actually does makes sence. I was rading labs a lot last spring doing trash runs and it seems like a lot of cloth relic was dropping and not very much plate at all. Now its the opposite. Somethings definatly going on in my opinion.</p> <p>Any devs confirm or deny this? In other words, is this just plate month?</p><hr></blockquote>If it was true, they certainly wouldnt confirm it.  Just think about all the cloth wearers who wouldnt want to go there as a result. Plate has always been our dominant drop for us, and its been that way for months(when stuff actually drops) but if you think about how much sense it makes i guess it should be that way. If you cant gear up your tanks, you cant do the other t7 x4 zones, tanks wear plate, so of course the easiest t7 zone (Labs) is going to drop an abundance of plate.  I havent done much anywhere else, but Cloth/chain/leather seems to be in high amounts in DT, only seen 1 piece of relic drop from Lyceum(only been there twice) and tried Halls of Seeing last night, but were unable to bring down the first named(1.5%, raid wipe)<div></div>

[Henladar Bloodheart ~]

<DIV>Jesus these posts [Removed for Content] me off. Relic is random and it was always be random. We personally get so much cloth it makes me cry.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Got 7 relic before Slavering Alzid last night. Sometimes well go a whole zone no relic. ITS RANDOM.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[Zenshi]

<P>I agree, seems to be totally random. I just wish we got more Plate Relic drops :smileywink:</P> <P>What we've looted over the last month for relics (we clear the whole zone):</P> <P>10/4 (Labs): Silk gloves, Chain chest, Chain legs.</P> <P>10/1 (Lyceum): Chain Bracers</P> <P>9/27 (Labs): Leather Boots (x2)</P> <P>9/24 (DT): Leather Wristguards </P> <P>9/21 (Lyc): Leather Boots</P> <P>9/20 (Lab): Chain Coif, Chain Chest, Chain Bracers, Leather Gloves, Plate Gussets</P> <P>9/17 (DT): Leather Boots, Chain Boots, Plate Spaulders (2), Leather Legs</P> <P>9/14 (Lyc): Silk gloves, Silk Robe, Plate Gussets</P> <P>9/13 (Lab): Leather tunic, Silk cuffs, Chain Bracers (2)</P> <P>9/10 (DT): Leather Skullcap</P> <P>9/6 (Lab): Chain Coif, Chain Gloves, Plate Gussets</P> <P>9/3 (DT): Chain Bracers (2), Chain Leggings, Silk Cuffs, Leather Gloves, Leather Skullcap, Plate Gussets, Plate Gauntlets.</P> <P>-----</P> <P>Final tally:<BR>Chain Chest (2)<BR>Chain Boots<BR>Chain Bracers (6)<BR>Chain Coif (2)<BR>Chain Gloves<BR>Chain Leggings (2)</P> <P>Leather Boots (4)<BR>Leather Gloves (2)<BR>Leather Leggings<BR>Leather Skullcap (2)<BR>Leather tunic<BR>Leather Wristguards</P> <P>Plate Gauntlets<BR>Plate Gussets (4)<BR>Plate Spaulders (2)</P> <P>Silk Cuffs (2)<BR>Silk Gloves (2)<BR>Silk Robe</P> <P>Think we had to call the most recent  DT raid early due to RL stuff.</P><p>Message Edited by Zenshi on <span class=date_text>10-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:54 AM</span>

[MrMartin]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> GwenRelentless wrote:<BR> <P>Still it looks like plate is a bit over represented doesnt it?<BR></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Not really. Plate seems to never drop for us but lots of cloth. Leather is rare too.</P> <P>I'm the MT of my guild so I'm getting all the plate drops... I have the greaves so far and that was before we decided to kit the MT. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P> <P>The lack of plate drops is what's holding us back from being more successful in both Lyceum and Labs.</P><p>Message Edited by MrMartin on <span class=date_text>10-09-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:30 AM</span>