Does "a young dragon" have mem-wipe?

[selch]

I was curious if that NPC using a mem-wipe?Pulling him with Rescue (over 4K hate, using two T7 M1 taunts) with no resisted message, 2K's and obviously massive damage as a monk to start with, healer does not even touch a spell and she does not use any "reactive" spells at all, but after first Knock back, he direct himself to healer, even no healing done at all.Is there some mem-wipe ability on this heroic mob that clears hate list on KB or our taunts does not give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] hate?<p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:59 PM</span>

[Pins]

He stuns himself and starts casting a nasty aoe at the start, which if the healer is the only one in range, he switches to him. No mem-wipe.

[FightGame]

and imo, starting with rescue is a total waste.  The most important part of rescue is raising positions by 3, and if you're already on top, it's wasted.  Use it after you lose aggro, and only if you absolutely have to, so save someone's life.

[Argyuile]

    Ive never had him to anything remotly resembling a mem whipe."If you get agro it means you're going to lose 50 DKP cause you didn't know what the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to do.""Theres some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about an agro reset when people don't know how to manage their agro."<div></div>

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>Pinski wrote:He stuns himself and starts casting a nasty aoe at the start, which if the healer is the only one in range, he switches to him. No mem-wipe.<hr></blockquote>So he forgets about every hate he has towards me, does it matter who he got damaged? I thought player damage increases aggro, not the mob damage.Is not that mem-wipe already?No, I'm also the one in the range and got a large portion of agro over me, just pulling him to HoF entrance so there is no chance I can be FAR from his AOE.<p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>04:10 PM</span>

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>Argyuile wrote:    Ive never had him to anything remotly resembling a mem whipe."If you get agro it means you're going to lose 50 DKP cause you didn't know what the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to do.""Theres some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about an agro reset when people don't know how to manage their agro."<div></div><hr></blockquote>Try with only two to see it if you dare <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>FightGame wrote:and imo, starting with rescue is a total waste.  The most important part of rescue is raising positions by 3, and if you're already on top, it's wasted.  Use it after you lose aggro, and only if you absolutely have to, so save someone's life.<hr></blockquote>At first try, yes, did this, after stunned back and turned to healer, Rescue did not took away for some reason (yet, healer did not used any benefical or offensive spells when it happens). At second try I tried to pull all the aggro at first. Seems it does not as well.

[Argyuile]

    I wouldnt try to kill that mob with just 2 people in a million years.   The level 65 tag on that guy is the biggest joke in the game.<div></div>

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>Argyuile wrote:    I wouldnt try to kill that mob with just 2 people in a million years.   The level 65 tag on that guy is the biggest joke in the game.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Yeah, then you can't be sure about mem-wipe about it "that" clearly, right?It IS possible, however, just curious of that "hate-switch"

[Argyuile]

    If he has a mem wipe Ill eat my shoe<div></div>

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>Argyuile wrote:    If he has a mem wipe Ill eat my shoe<div></div><hr></blockquote>What I call might not be "mem-wipe" in the terms , but I just am telling you he ignored all the hate and damage (yeah I'm good at dodging) and went straight to healer / group member who had not engaged yet -no benefical spell on me, no offensive spell on mob- after Knocked me Back (even not far, next to him, was my back at wall)If he has, we would like to see a picture of shoe eating tho.<p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:25 PM</span>

[Pins]

You have to be closest to him to have aggro on him when he stuns himself. If you aren't, he will switch targets.

[FightGame]

<DIV>Well if previous poster is correct about having to be close to him, I guess that would be a memwipe.  Let the shoe eating begin.</DIV>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>FightGame wrote:<DIV>Well if previous poster is correct about having to be close to him, I guess that would be a memwipe.  Let the shoe eating begin.</DIV><hr></blockquote>No, it's the way rooted/stunned mobs work. If you are closest(in range) to the mob, you get aggro.

[Dogm]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FightGame wrote:<BR> <DIV>Well if previous poster is correct about having to be close to him, I guess that would be a memwipe.  Let the shoe eating begin.</DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>No, it's the way rooted/stunned mobs work. If you are closest(in range) to the mob, you get aggro.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Exactly,  root / stun etc. plays games with aggro.  Try rooting a mob and having random group members run up towards him.  Most of the time the mob will turn on whoever is closest (why would they try to attack somebody that is out of range, when somebody else is beating on them).

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>Dogmae wrote:Exactly,  root / stun etc. plays games with aggro.  Try rooting a mob and having random group members run up towards him.  Most of the time the mob will turn on whoever is closest (why would they try to attack somebody that is out of range, when somebody else is beating on them).<hr></blockquote>However, that's because most "roots" having "decrease aggro" coming with them (almost all priests). If he stuns himself and decrease aggro of mine on him, would not that be mem-wipe still?

[Groma]

Its not a mem wipe, you are simply out of range when he is attacking.  He roots/stuns himself and AE knocks everyone back.  Nearest target doesn't necessarily get "aggro" he just starts getting attacked because he is the only target in melee range.  Had it been a bard, or caster closer, they would have been attacked too, its just a nearest target thing.<div></div>

[SageGaspar]

<div><blockquote><hr>selch wrote:<blockquote><hr>Dogmae wrote:Exactly,  root / stun etc. plays games with aggro.  Try rooting a mob and having random group members run up towards him.  Most of the time the mob will turn on whoever is closest (why would they try to attack somebody that is out of range, when somebody else is beating on them).<hr></blockquote>However, that's because most "roots" having "decrease aggro" coming with them (almost all priests). If he stuns himself and decrease aggro of mine on him, would not that be mem-wipe still?<hr></blockquote>It's not one of the priest roots that decreases aggro (I think that's only two of the priest classes anyway?), if you root any mob, he aggros on the people in melee range first. There's a simple reason for this, it's because otherwise you could root a mob and have the tank taunt them standing outside of melee range while all the melee DPS goes in and hits it, taking away the majority of a mob's damage. Of course, it'd be horribly inconvenient and root would break constantly, but hey. People outside of melee range don't lose hate, though, so if your tank runs back into melee range, the mob will resume attacking them again.Sometimes this behavior is a little strange if you're near the border of their melee range, I've had a mob ignore a wizard running up to drop fusion on it while I was a tank standing outside of melee range and it was rooted.</div>

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>SageGaspar wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>selch wrote:<blockquote><hr>Dogmae wrote:Exactly,  root / stun etc. plays games with aggro.  Try rooting a mob and having random group members run up towards him.  Most of the time the mob will turn on whoever is closest (why would they try to attack somebody that is out of range, when somebody else is beating on them).<hr></blockquote>However, that's because most "roots" having "decrease aggro" coming with them (almost all priests). If he stuns himself and decrease aggro of mine on him, would not that be mem-wipe still?<hr></blockquote>It's not one of the priest roots that decreases aggro (I think that's only two of the priest classes anyway?), if you root any mob, he aggros on the people in melee range first. There's a simple reason for this, it's because otherwise you could root a mob and have the tank taunt them standing outside of melee range while all the melee DPS goes in and hits it, taking away the majority of a mob's damage. Of course, it'd be horribly inconvenient and root would break constantly, but hey. People outside of melee range don't lose hate, though, so if your tank runs back into melee range, the mob will resume attacking them again.Sometimes this behavior is a little strange if you're near the border of their melee range, I've had a mob ignore a wizard running up to drop fusion on it while I was a tank standing outside of melee range and it was rooted.</div><hr></blockquote>Yes ofcourse, hence when I ran back into melee range (that my auto-attack could reach -was short stun anyway-), I could not grab aggro back for long time even tho, with taunts and most powerful CA's.Thank you for the replies everyone. Not sure if I will try before some more AA's to myself and my partner and think more about duo strategies on this buddy <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Coppun]

You can not due this guy.  period.  The stun will pwn you every time.<div></div>

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>Coppun wrote:You can not due this guy.  period.  The stun will pwn you every time.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Ever tried? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Argyuile]

<blockquote><hr>selch wrote:<blockquote><hr>Coppun wrote:You can not due this guy.  period.  The stun will pwn you every time.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Ever tried? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote> When you pull it off you let us know.

[selch]

<blockquote><hr>Argyuile wrote:<blockquote><hr>selch wrote:<blockquote><hr>Coppun wrote:You can not due this guy.  period.  The stun will pwn you every time.<div></div><hr></blockquote>Ever tried? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>When you pull it off you let us know.<hr></blockquote>I definitely will, too bad I'm just a monk definitely suffering from avoidance, from experience through him on my tries, I can say it can definitely be doable if agro is not lost (if I had only enough aggro tools) with right equipment. May be a zerker-priest duo can take it easier even...<p>Message Edited by selch on <span class=date_text>09-18-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:16 PM</span>