labs post update

[JNewby]

<DIV>the other night we did labs and we normaly clear this zone with no problem... maybe a wipe on vymm cause of aggro wipe not working.. however after the last update I aws losing aggro like mad.. and I had 3 troubs one in each group a dirge and coercer in my group... and it was jsut aweful how bad aggro management was.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>aside from that... I think I also noticed they changed vym so you cannot aggro wipe prome anymore.. or if you can they made it alot harder to do.. as we tried about 8 times and got both every single time..  I haerd of a guild that did wipe successfully I thnk however I think maybe they made it very difficult to do it this way.. </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>anyhow Ihtink its kind of annoying that things are scahgned and not noted in update notes.. I do know something is different but... dont ahve a clue as to what cause there was nothig noted abouti t.</DIV>

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>JNewby wrote:<div>the other night we did labs and we normaly clear this zone with no problem... maybe a wipe on vymm cause of aggro wipe not working.. however after the last update I aws losing aggro like mad.. and I had 3 troubs one in each group a dirge and coercer in my group... and it was jsut aweful how bad aggro management was.. </div> <div> </div> <div>aside from that... I think I also noticed they changed vym so you cannot aggro wipe prome anymore.. or if you can they made it alot harder to do.. as we tried about 8 times and got both every single time..  I haerd of a guild that did wipe successfully I thnk however I think maybe they made it very difficult to do it this way.. </div> <div> </div> <div>anyhow Ihtink its kind of annoying that things are scahgned and not noted in update notes.. I do know something is different but... dont ahve a clue as to what cause there was nothig noted abouti t.</div><hr></blockquote>Did it last night and noticed no change, although I dont think he went in the ceiling this time.  Prime wiped fine.</div>

[johnathanb]

<DIV>Vyemm was stuck in the ceiling for us.  But we got him out after awhile.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-As a reminder Dirge and coercer Hate don't stack anymore.  Better to have an assassin with the coercer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[FlintAH]

<div><blockquote><hr>johnathanbtn wrote:<div>-As a reminder Dirge and coercer Hate don't stack anymore.  Better to have an assassin with the coercer.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Who told you that?</div>

[JNewby]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> FlintAH wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> johnathanbtn wrote:<BR><BR> <DIV>-As a reminder Dirge and coercer Hate don't stack anymore.  Better to have an assassin with the coercer.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Who told you that?<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>oh well if they dont thjat coudl explain the aggro issue.. and about vymm I guess we jsut got very unlucky with the mem wipe if u all got it to work.. its just we always get it like 1st or 2nd try and being I know how sony is and how often they change the mob.. after doing it like 8 times and it failling every time,... I assumed they changedit...</P> <P>and where did u hear they dont stack anymoer??"</P> <P> </P>

[CrazedMut]

<div><blockquote><hr>FlintAH wrote:<div><blockquote><hr>johnathanbtn wrote:<div>-As a reminder Dirge and coercer Hate don't stack anymore.  Better to have an assassin with the coercer.</div> <div> </div> <div> </div><hr></blockquote>Who told you that?</div><hr></blockquote>Seconded. They have always stacked and there is absolutely nothing in the patch notes that states they will no longer stack together. Where did you get this information?</div>

[Vormulac]

<P>no [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] where did you get the info or just pulling stuff out of your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]?</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[Triste-Lune]

Didnt noticed anything different didnt loose aggro beside on his memwipe and just got it back easely.Also didnt notice anychange in the bug on Prime : keeps on healing his self at 13% even though Vyemm was dead for like 15 min when we ran out of power. If i want to see a change it would be a change on Prime's buff. Have Vyemm drop a stupid item that ll dispell prime's tenacity, just like the one we have for venekor.Both hate buff stackSide noteWhy wipe Prime's aggro? Tank them both at the same time like it s supposed to be done

[TimidMou]

We didn't notice any issues with other than the fact that Vyemm kept getting stuck in the ceiling. A similar thing occured in HoS with the twin mobs.

[MeridianR]

I love when people pull random [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] out of there [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].....Dirge and Coercer hate buffs don't stack anymore, oh nos'!!!!!Just because you suck at aggro control, doesn't mean the two buffs don't stack....it just means you suck<div></div>

[Triste-Lune]

why do you always come bashing people Phov. You suck, you need to be nerf, i DEMAND to tank as well as warrior and stuff like that. I dont remember seeing you be so harsh when you were still on Mistmoore, has changing server and joining a good raiding guild entittled you to just be rude with people <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.Boards would be a lot better if people would stop bashing because they feel superior <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

[MeridianR]

<div><blockquote><hr>Triste-Lune wrote:why do you always come bashing people Phov. You suck, you need to be nerf, i DEMAND to tank as well as warrior and stuff like that. I dont remember seeing you be so harsh when you were still on Mistmoore, has changing server and joining a good raiding guild entittled you to just be rude with people <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.Boards would be a lot better if people would stop bashing because they feel superior <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.<hr></blockquote>...because people posting stupid BS things (such as Coercer and Dirge hate buffs not stacking) just confuses people, and people tend to believe them.  So then you have 100 other posts about the same thing, when in fact there is nothing wrong.Here is a hint though, if you don't like my posts...don't read them.....</div>

[Feltrak]

<DIV>Wards dont stack with heals anymore. If there is a ward up on the tank, no heals will go through. </DIV>

[TanRaistlyn]

<DIV>On that note - since LU27 melee based damage over time skills no longer stack with, magic based damage over time spells.  So no poisons + Necro dots - sorry guys start stackign ur raid with either all casters or all scouts!!!</DIV>

[Gungo]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Triste-Lune wrote:<BR><BR>Side note<BR>Why wipe Prime's aggro? Tank them both at the same time like it s supposed to be done<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Because tanking them at the same time is not what was intended. A developer already said prior they are seperate encounters and can be split.</P> <P>Side note<BR>by not splitting them and tanking them simultaniously is what causes alzid to not properly reset and keep his buff. I have never seen alzid bug out when he is fully reset.<BR><BR></P>

[SageGaspar]

Cheese doesn't stack with crackers anymore. Say goodbye to cheddar on your Triscuits D:<div></div>

[Dragonfly28]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Gungo wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Triste-Lune wrote:Side noteWhy wipe Prime's aggro? Tank them both at the same time like it s supposed to be done <hr> </blockquote> <p>Because tanking them at the same time is not what was intended. A developer already said prior they are seperate encounters and can be split.</p> <p>Side noteby not splitting them and tanking them simultaniously is what causes alzid to not properly reset and keep his buff. I have never seen alzid bug out when he is fully reset.</p><hr></blockquote>We are never splitting them and just take em both at once.Never had Prime bugging up, just burn veymm and then pay attention to his pet_Alzid and dipose of that.The encounter is much more fun this way. (and your aggro wiper will thank you for his kill/death ratio too <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )<span>Onaupu LynxL70 Swashbuckler/ L70 TailorUnitySplitpaw</span></div><p>Message Edited by Dragonfly28 on <span class=date_text>09-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:22 AM</span>

[Aven Elonis]

<P>I noticed in the update notes when I logged today - Spell stacking returned to pre LU27. Prehaps this was some part of the problem.</P> <P>When we get lab last Sat, we had more wipes than normal for us (8 vs 1) up to Vyemm. (And yes we are still working on getting Vyemm, LOL)</P>