Grats on Matron Kill!

[Quicksilver74]

<DIV>Grats to Second Dawn for Killing Matron!   you guys own!</DIV>

[Khal]

<DIV>Grats SD</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>-Retired Zerker</DIV>

[WIZ2]

lol u guys r fast

[WIZ2]

Taucher got Matron's heart is what I heard

[meedni]

<font color="#ff0000"><font size="4"><font face="Comic Sans MS"><b>Grats SD <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></b></font></font></font><div></div>

[0Feanaro0]

<DIV>Big gratz SD :smileyhappy:</DIV>

[FlintAH]

Grats<div></div>

[Gaige]

Gratz SD.

[Xede]

<DIV>grats SD</DIV>

[MexStrat]

Nice work,  Gratz<div></div>

[Unmask]

Big gratz on Matron kill!!!<font size="-10">we know it was our guildies who made it possible - can we have them back now?</font> <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[m0ya]

<P>Woooot!! Grats SD!!</P> <P>Now show us the loot <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></P>

[Pins]

Grats on FT loot.

[Tauch]

<div><blockquote><hr>WIZ235 wrote:<div></div>Taucher got Matron's heart is what I heard<hr></blockquote>Indeed. And I don't feel nearly worthy enough to receive such an honor, but if Exill deems me so I trust him.I think this is where I give my oscar speech, and I can't thank SD enough. Really.</div>

[slyfer]

<DIV>Go Go FT</DIV>

[ashla]

<P>grats SD and great job getting the matron's heart</P> <P>Ashleah</P>

[Unmask]

Maybe one day I can get her gall bladder. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Snarks]

Very nice SD! You deserve it!<div></div>

[electricninjasex]

For those as curious as I was:aITEM 1733574133 129225312:The Matron's Heart/aaITEM 426059873 -1965729735:Slippers of Zal'Naz/aaITEM 1769750579 1926447847:Gloves of Zal'Naz/a

[Renolas]

<DIV>Ok, so i know like we;ve seen alot of FT in t7.....but seriously its on matron loot too? I cant say it didnt cross my mind but come on</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>And Grats SD of course! Awsome job</DIV><p>Message Edited by Renolas on <span class=date_text>09-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:02 PM</span>

[electricninjasex]

<div></div>I would likely kill yo mama for those boots.<div></div><p>Message Edited by electricninjasex on <span class=date_text>09-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:05 PM</span>

[Quicksilver74]

<DIV>BTW grats on all teh Flowing thought on the loot!   [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] sony and their flowing thought!</DIV>

[electricninjasex]

I don't laugh at FT when it comes in sufficient quantities and I'm under cap thanks to regen procs.  FT8 is a sufficient quantity.<div></div>

[Computer MAn]

Yeah I was really hoping there would be some unique procs on the Matron's loot but again all we get is FT<div></div>

[Quicksilver74]

<DIV>Wow 2 kills on matron within 30 minutes</DIV> <DIV>these guys are my hero</DIV>

[Tauch]

<div><blockquote><hr>Quicksilver74 wrote:<div>Wow 2 kills on matron within 30 minutes</div> <div>these guys are my hero</div><hr></blockquote>Yep, and two more items with just FT...</div>

[m0ya]

Hahahaha, Grats again guys!

[MrMattr]

Well Done SD! Great effort guys.

[Colossaltitan]

The chests.<BR><BR><IMG src="http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/8922/matronchestsgj3.jpg"><BR><BR>Woot for WW1sts, and uh, ....2nds? : p<BR><BR>Thanks guys, is an extremely fun encounter.

[Gaige]

Obviously they need to PoFerize Mystic Lake, since zones with contested aren't supposed to instance.

[Petgroup]

Thanks everyone for the kind words.Everyone worked together and pulled this off. Excellent team effort. Thank you to SoE also by adjusting this encounter before EoF came out.<div></div>

[Snarks]

Priests... Crusaders.. and... predators??  lol but grats again<div></div>

[Unmask]

Gratz again!

[jago quicksilver]

now we can oficially say that this encounter was not intended to block progression.it was  a hell of a fight!

[MexStrat]

and gratz again!<div></div>

[Quicksilver74]

<DIV>Flowing thought on every piece.... way to go SOE!  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>gg on "Best loot in the game"</DIV>

[Antipalad]

Grats SD, and grats Sony for making 99% of the playerbase guess in advance what the effect on the items would be. Unique itemization ftw and all.<p>Message Edited by Antipaladin on <span class=date_text>09-08-2006</span> <span class=time_text>08:35 PM</span>

[Exill]

Thanks everyone,Fun, difficult, fight. I just wish the effects on the items were a bit more unique then FLOWING THOUGHT.Good luck to everyone else working on this mob.<div></div>

[Petgroup]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div>Obviously they need to PoFerize Mystic Lake, since zones with contested aren't supposed to instance.<hr></blockquote>Sinking Sands 2 + 3 ?</div>

[ashla]

grats on 2nd kill as well

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nikecmh42 wrote: <DIV>Sinking Sands 2 + 3 ? <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Which is why I said PoF.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  They should've instanced that zone but they didn't cuz of the dragons.  I remember plenty of Barakah kills with 100+ in zone.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR>

[Petgroup]

<div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div><blockquote><hr>nikecmh42 wrote:<div>Sinking Sands 2 + 3 ?<hr></div></blockquote>Which is why I said PoF.  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  They should've instanced that zone but they didn't cuz of the dragons.  I remember plenty of Barakah kills with 100+ in zone.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><hr></blockquote>PoF shoulda had 1+2. The lag there was ridiculous <span>:smileytongue:</span></div>

[Whitemane]

<P>Woot Grats Folks well done ( wave to Scavy PG and all the rest of the old timers from Legion )</P> <P> </P> <P>Gemma</P>

[-Morlande]

ft8 is real nice ft 3 is kinda low  but some unique procs , clicky's , or passive spells when worn would be nice they r the bread and butter of the top selling gear in raid guilds and what people hope to see when a box opens a lot of the time Morlander Second dawn <div></div>

[Yourbestfriend]

<DIV>Wow! Congrats SD on both kills.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Jaraxx Goldveins</DIV> <DIV>Leader of Strike</DIV>

[EQ2Playa432]

Grats SD!<div></div>

[MeridianR]

Gratz on the kill guys.<div></div>

[Bonesplit]

Nice one SD. Grats!

[ibeo]

<DIV>congrats SD</DIV>

[Renaven]

<DIV>Good job SD.</DIV>

[hellfire]

<DIV>gratzy guys.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>prediction other half of loot table will have regen!</DIV>

[waldemar2]

<DIV>gz!</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What's the reuse-timer for the ring proc?</DIV>

[Colossaltitan]

<DIV>One hour. *Edit* Its actually 30minutes, the 100% reduce effect goes in the moment you click it so its one hour recast is automatically shortened to 30minutes!</DIV><p>Message Edited by Colossaltitan on <span class=date_text>09-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:27 PM</span>

[vinterskugge]

Grats SD.  Was it the change to the adds that made it killable?  We only got that this morning, so I guess we'll find out soon.

[KrayzieK]

<P>FT</P> <P>FTL</P>

[Revjak18]

Thanks a bunch guys, was a hell of a fun fight and hard encounter.  I just hope she has some brawler loot since Chel drak doesnt <span>:smileymad:</span><div></div>

[Jounar]

Grats SD on the kill. The rewards from that mob suck [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] tho.

[tinka]

<font color="#ff0099" face="Comic Sans MS" size="3">Grats Grats SD =)</font><div></div>

[Schmoogles]

<DIV>Well done...gratz SD</DIV>

[Leawyn]

Grats guys. And double grats on the entirely predictable loot. <div></div>

[Maelakai]

Well played Second Dawn!  Gratz on the first kill (and the second lol)!<div></div>

[Talonis]

Grats SD!<div></div>

[Nicholain]

Well this awesome loot sure excites me for Eof, I guess SOE didnt learn when everyone complained about KoS loot all having crap FT on it. But by god they put it on chel'drak and matron! Wheres the 2 handers? But grats on the kill(s)!<div></div>

[Quicksilver74]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Revjak18 wrote:<BR>Thanks a bunch guys, was a hell of a fun fight and hard encounter.  I just hope she has some brawler loot since Chel drak doesnt <SPAN>:smileymad:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>She does... the still undiscovered Bracers of Nature's Guardian are supposed to be brawler, since Moorgard said he wanted them for his Bruiser.    Watch them be druid loot and make Moorgard look like a newb!   ha ha ha!</P> <P>   Yeah she does need some brawler loot though... namely brawler pants.   Needs good brawler pants.  Ogre Bruisers for teh WIN!</P>

[Colossaltitan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote:<BR> Grats SD.  Was it the change to the adds that made it killable?  We only got that this morning, so I guess we'll find out soon.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>We got it to 60% the night before the patch.  We wanted to kill it that night, sadly we were missing a few key players that we had on friday, but even missing those few key players, most of the raid believed that it was do-able pre-nerf.  I wish they kept it the way it was honestly, but this encounter is still by far the most difficult in the game (minus the nightblood, lol) and definetly the most difficult one to date IMO.<BR><BR>Goodluck to everyone else on the encounter, have a blast like we did and you'll get it down.

[Jezekie]

congrats on the kill.<div></div>

[RogueSpideyChick]

congrats sd<div></div>

[Kyriel]

<DIV>wootie woot, grats!!!</DIV>

[Timber13]

Gratz SD, really nice job and I hope many will fellow your example.<div></div>

[Toxi]

Good Job SD!I expected some 700 Miti plate BP drop with ungodly resists and a reflect your thoughts proc for Exill to [Removed for Content] on the docks.. Regardless.. Grats guys!  <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span><div></div>

[KrayzieK]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Toxi wrote:<BR>Good Job SD!<BR><BR>I expected some 700 Miti plate BP drop with ungodly resists and a reflect your thoughts proc for Exill to [Removed for Content] on the docks.. Regardless.. Grats guys!  <SPAN>:smileyvery-happy:</SPAN><BR> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>You won't find a 700 miti BP anywhere in this game except from a [Removed for Content] heroic instance, Cuirass of Protection anybody?  Grats again SD on your WW first kill, VERY impressive.  I just wish you folks could be rewarded with something other than the slap in the face known as "the matron loot." --

[Henladar Bloodheart ~]

 Gratz SD on your WW 1st.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P></P> <HR> KrayzieKal wrote:<BR><BR>You won't find a 700 miti BP anywhere in this game except from a [Removed for Content] heroic instance, Cuirass of Protection anybody?  Grats again SD on your WW first kill, VERY impressive.  I just wish you folks could be rewarded with something other than the slap in the face known as "the matron loot." --<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>How many times can you use a "slap in the face" analogy? Yes the Risk vs Reward for the mob is crappy as hell but do you gotta go thru every thread about matron stating the same thing about the items?</P> <P> </P> <P><BR> </P><p>Message Edited by Henladar Bloodheart ~ on <span class=date_text>09-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>05:17 AM</span>

[Schmoogles]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Henladar Bloodheart ~ wrote:<BR> <P>How many times can you use a "slap in the face" analogy? Yes the Risk vs Reward for the mob is crappy as hell but do you gotta go thru every thread about matron stating the same thing about the items?</P> <P></P> <HR> <P>Kal is 100% correct there is nothing more to say.  A Slap in the face is a perfect analogy imo. </P> <P><BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE>

[HomeChicken]

<P>i prefer the term kick the junk,</P> <P> id take a slap in the face over a kick in the junk any day of the week</P> <P>btw grats on the kill SD, disapointed the ring didnt go to a wizard tho... </P> <P> </P> <P>/starts a petition for all Matrons Hearts to go to their guilds wizards....</P> <P> </P>

[Colossaltitan]

Pride of the Kill > Loot. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  /shrug.  I'm sure we'll see something decent in Matron's loot table in the future.

[Mordicus]

wtg SD, Congratulations <div></div>

[hatefullinte]

<div></div>Congratulations SD on the WW 1st and 2nd kill!<div></div>

[TimidMou]

<P>That ring seems to have a very nice ability, 100% reuse essentially means instant recast yes? So that means for the duration of the buff you can cast spells and CAs non-stop without any delay in between until you run out of power? If that's the case I would think this ring is simply incredible and lives up to its mythical category.</P> <P> </P> <P>edit: omg I just thought of it: Dire Alacrity + Lay on Hands (instant reuse) = sick!</P><p>Message Edited by TimidMouse on <span class=date_text>09-11-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:19 AM</span>

[KazzySoJaz]

Wahoo grats, and sorry bout the lewt, was honestly hoping for more <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Snarks]

<div><blockquote><hr>TimidMouse wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>That ring seems to have a very nice ability, 100% reuse essentially means instant recast yes? So that means for the duration of the buff you can cast spells and CAs non-stop without any delay in between until you run out of power? If that's the case I would think this ring is simply incredible and lives up to its mythical category.</p> <p>edit: omg I just thought of it: Dire Alacrity + Lay on Hands (instant reuse) = sick!</p><p>Message Edited by TimidMouse on <span class="date_text">09-11-2006</span> <span class="time_text">07:19 AM</span></p><hr></blockquote>100% reuse reduction means 1/2. so you could use dire alacrity + lay on hands, then use lay on hands (its recast/2) minutes later.</div>

[MeridianR]

LoH = 7.5 mins...(since it's 15 mins recast normally)<div></div>

[TimidMou]

<P>Ah well that's not quite as good then... although seeing as how 100% would have been overpowered I had a feeling that would be the case.</P> <P> </P> <P>Incidentally, 100% = 100/100 x reuse timer = 1 x reuse timer. The description should have said a 50% reduction. Just pointing out a technicality.</P>

[Feltrak]

No it shouldn't have. 100% means it will refresh twice as fast.

[Gungo]

could decapitate be brought down to a 4 min recast or is thier a cap on recast haste. In example 15 min + AA = 8 min + dire alacricty= 4min reuse + bard= assasins can now decapitate at least 2x per fight (raid). Imho this is a great assasin item if it works like that.

[Colossaltitan]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gungo wrote:<BR> could decapitate be brought down to a 4 min recast or is thier a cap on recast haste. In example 15 min + AA = 8 min + dire alacricty= 4min reuse + bard= assasins can now decapitate at least 2x per fight (raid). Imho this is a great assasin item if it works like that.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>It does work like that.  Add Chel'drak ring into the equation and it gets even lower.<BR><BR>Its a great item for anyone really, I don't care for it so much as a Necromancer, but if i were a Bruiser or something, I mean KO Combo twice as fast, along with all my CA's while I'm mashing them for KO Combo, along with Mit buff, Heal, o_O.<BR><BR>It'd be a Nice Wizard item too I guess. /shrug all classes can arguably make great use out of 100% recast reduction.

[Sekkong]

<P>Does it work on COTH ;-D</P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[TimidMou]

<DIV>With the possible exception of wardens...</DIV>

[Zarfto]

<P>Second Dawn is Badass, Well Deserved Guys and Keep Up the Good Work.</P> <P> </P> <P> </P>

[QuestingCrafter]

<P>Edit: Congratulations on the kill!</P> <P>Actually, 100% reduction means subtracting 100% from the initial value.<BR>5 units -100% means<BR>5 units - 5 units, which equals zero</P> <P>There's a 100% increase in how many times in a given span the ability can be used</P> <P>It really ought to say 50% reduction in reuse time, or<BR>100% increase in frequency (12 uses per hour => 24 uses per hour)</P><p>Message Edited by Priapm on <span class=date_text>09-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>01:43 PM</span>

[Nicholain]

<div><blockquote><hr>Priapm wrote:<div></div> <div></div> <p>Edit: Congratulations on the kill!</p> <p>Actually, 100% reduction means subtracting 100% from the initial value.5 units -100% means5 units - 5 units, which equals zero</p> <p>There's a 100% increase in how many times in a given span the ability can be used</p> <p>It really ought to say 50% reduction in reuse time, or100% increase in frequency (12 uses per hour => 24 uses per hour)</p><p>Message Edited by Priapm on <span class="date_text">09-12-2006</span> <span class="time_text">01:43 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>Ya they need to rethink the whole % wording thing. I remember when everyone was confused about Divine Recovery for clerics. Eventually they fixed the wording and made it 50% instead of 100%.</div>

[Petgroup]

Since our kill, we have received numerous tells by people saying we expolited this encounter.<font size="5"><font size="7">You all are a bunch of haters and i'm sure you all will be frapsing our 3rd kill soon enough.</font></font><div></div>

[illy586]

<P>I highly doubt they exploited because there was enough people in the zone watching to make a ML2, I'm sure atlest one person would have seen something fishy if that was the case. I think people are just alittle sad that they are lacking the skill and effort to take this mob down.</P> <P>Any ways grats on both kills, and good luck to those attempting.</P>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nikecmh42 wrote:<BR>Since our kill, we have received numerous tells by people saying we expolited this encounter.<BR><BR><FONT size=5><FONT size=7>You all are a bunch of haters and i'm sure you all will be frapsing our 3rd kill soon enough.<BR></FONT></FONT> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>3rd attempt you mean.  I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.  If you know what I mean.

[Petgroup]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> nikecmh42 wrote:Since our kill, we have received numerous tells by people saying we expolited this encounter.<font size="5"><font size="7">You all are a bunch of haters and i'm sure you all will be frapsing our 3rd kill soon enough.</font></font> <div></div> <hr> </blockquote>3rd attempt you mean.  I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.  If you know what I mean.<hr></blockquote>Accusing us of exploiting a mob with at least 26 non guildie witness' is cool. At least the person above you has a clue.Keep on wiping at 75%.</div>

[Tauch]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div>3rd attempt <b>and victory in a row</b> you mean.  I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.  If you know what I mean.<hr></blockquote>Fixed.</div>

[Rathi]

Only way it doesn't die is if they change it and we have to learn the encounter once again gaige. Or they put a hotfix in that breaks something and Matron starts criting for double our hp or something.

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> nikecmh42 wrote:<BR> <DIV>Accusing us of exploiting a mob with at least 26 non guildie witness' is cool. At least the person above you has a clue.<BR><BR>Keep on wiping at 75%. <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Guilty conscious much?  Where have I said you exploited?  I haven't.  I just said you haven't killed it 3x, so the 3rd is an attempt, not a kill.  Calm down.</P> <P>As for wiping at 75%, its 51% thank you very much.  No worries though, good luck next week.</P>

[pera]

<div></div><div></div><p>Message Edited by perano on <span class=date_text>09-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:07 AM</span>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Taucher wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaige wrote:<BR> 3rd attempt <B>and victory in a row</B> you mean.  I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.  If you know what I mean.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Fixed.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>LoL who are you guys, the new NPU?  Get one world first and now you're guaranteeing victories.  Nice.<BR>

[jago quicksilver]

<div></div>if you can only kill a mob once, then something is horribly wrong.so, whats wrong with making a guarantee that we will get another kill? all of the sudden, we cant kill the mob before the whole guild quits the game??<p>Message Edited by jago quicksilver on <span class=date_text>09-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>07:36 PM</span>

[FlameVapid]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaige wrote:<BR> Obviously they need to PoFerize Mystic Lake, since zones with contested aren't supposed to instance.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P><BR>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] u talking about nooblet did u not raid during T6 or something????? couldn't cut it has a brawler and u don't cut it as a dirge..i think sums it all up..</P> <P> </P> <P><IMG src="http://www.secondawn.com/images/upload/ss12.bmp"></P>

[Petgroup]

<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Taucher wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Gaige wrote: <div></div>3rd attempt <b>and victory in a row</b> you mean.  I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.  If you know what I mean. <hr> </blockquote>Fixed.</div> <hr> </blockquote>LoL who are you guys, the new NPU?  Get one world first and now you're guaranteeing victories.  Nice.<hr></blockquote>Any mob that you get to 50% or below is killable every time, unless its changed or a majority of your guild quits. I believe we had 6 recruits in the raid to boot on the matron kill.We 1st pull killed Chel'Drak yesterday again.I apologize if I took your comment as a hint of exploiting but that seems to be the current trend. </div><p>Message Edited by nikecmh42 on <span class=date_text>09-12-2006</span> <span class=time_text>11:32 PM</span>

[Tauch]

<div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Taucher wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Gaige wrote: <div></div>3rd attempt <b>and victory in a row</b> you mean.  I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.  If you know what I mean. <hr> </blockquote>Fixed.</div> <hr> </blockquote>LoL who are you guys, the new NPU?  Get one world first and now you're guaranteeing victories.  Nice.<hr></blockquote>Better than not getting one and throwing around veiled innuendos of hacking and exploiting and beta info and guild dev members.Just saying. It's like Chel'drak all over again. In which we got WW 2nd and 3rd kills a week apart. And then WW 5th a week later.</div>

[Sausage101]

<DIV>I love the way we don't even have to accuse of anyone exploiting anymore.  It's just assumed.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Oopo- Dissolution</DIV>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> FlameVapid wrote: <P>[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] u talking about nooblet did u not raid during T6 or something????? couldn't cut it has a brawler and u don't cut it as a dirge..i think sums it all up..</P> <P><IMG src="http://www.secondawn.com/images/upload/ss12.bmp"></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Nice.  I love screenshots that don't show the whole conversation in context.</P> <P>How about this though.  You quit being defensive little babies, since no where can you quote me as saying you exploited.  Thanks.</P> <P>Now, like I said on my first post on this thread, GRATZ on killing the matron.<BR></P>

[Exill]

Well, lets not let this thread de-rail any more then it already is.I speak on behalf of my guild when I say that we did not exploit this mob.Good luck to everyone else still out there and still trying this encounter.<div></div>

[Darkkey]

<div></div>Okay, alot of our members are getting numerous tells from all their aquaintances on other servers about how we beat the matron.Therefore -I might as well clear things up now and just let the strat out so we're all on the same page and our members can stop being harrased:up, up, down, down, A, B, A, B, select, startBAM!--------------------Darkkeyes - 70 assassin of NajenaDarkeyes   - 62+ Bruiser of Nagafen<div></div>

[Snarks]

seems very random that people would start waving the exploit flag with zero evidence or provocationregardless im looking forward to see loot changes and we have u guys to thank<span></span><div></div>

[jago quicksilver]

<div><blockquote><hr>snarkteeth wrote:seems very random that people would start waving the exploit flag with zero evidence or provocationregardless im looking forward to see loot changes and we have u guys to thank<span></span><div></div><hr></blockquote>aye, the loot changes will be nice.and evidence or not, lots of guildies (including myself) have gotten tells saying that we exploited, which is unfortunate, but we are all looking forward to proving ourselves again when she pops.</div>

[Renaven]

<DIV>Those types of tells are going to happen when you WW 1st something, and there's not much you can do to stop it.  Just ignore them.  Half of the time they don't know what they are talking about. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></DIV>

[jago quicksilver]

yeah, i kinda figure it comes with teh territory, but now with the leaked strat (see darkeyye's post a few above this one) a few more guilds should get the kill, and the tells will stop <span>:smileyvery-happy:</span>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV>Not sure why anyone would accuse you of exploiting with nothing to base it on - anyone who's tried this encounter recently can see it's definitely killable now.</DIV>

[Maelakai]

<div><blockquote><hr>nikecmh42 wrote:<div></div><div></div><div><blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Taucher wrote: <div> <blockquote> <hr> Gaige wrote: <div></div>3rd attempt <b>and victory in a row</b> you mean.  I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.  If you know what I mean. <hr> </blockquote>Fixed.</div> <hr> </blockquote>LoL who are you guys, the new NPU?  Get one world first and now you're guaranteeing victories.  Nice.<hr></blockquote>Any mob that you get to 50% or below is killable every time, unless its changed or a majority of your guild quits. I believe we had 6 recruits in the raid to boot on the matron kill.We 1st pull killed Chel'Drak yesterday again.I apologize if I took your comment as a hint of exploiting but that seems to be the current trend. </div><p>Message Edited by nikecmh42 on <span class="date_text">09-12-2006</span> <span class="time_text">11:32 PM</span></p><hr></blockquote>If at 50% you don't have control of the encounter you are still going to wipe.  Also, we first pull Chel'Drak, I don't think the two encounters are that similar... well, maybe in one regard...</div>

[Maelakai]

<div><blockquote><hr>Sausage101 wrote:<div>I love the way we don't even have to accuse of anyone exploiting anymore.  It's just assumed.</div> <div> </div> <div>Oopo- Dissolution</div><hr></blockquote>Oopo!  I didn't think you knew how to use the forums!</div>

[Xede]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Taucher wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaige wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Taucher wrote:<BR> <DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaige wrote:<BR> 3rd attempt <B>and victory in a row</B> you mean.  I wouldn't count your chickens before they hatch.  If you know what I mean.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Fixed.<BR></DIV> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>LoL who are you guys, the new NPU?  Get one world first and now you're guaranteeing victories.  Nice.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>Better than not getting one and throwing around veiled innuendos of hacking and exploiting and beta info and <STRONG>guild dev members</STRONG>.<BR><BR>Just saying. It's like Chel'drak all over again. In which we got WW 2nd and 3rd kills a week apart. And then WW 5th a week later.<BR></DIV><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Please all knowing one tell us who the dev is in our guild. Thanks!</P> <P>again grats to SD on the kill.<BR></P>

[illy586]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Patrix513 wrote:<BR> <BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> Taucher wrote: <P>Better than not getting one and throwing around veiled innuendos of hacking and exploiting and beta info and <STRONG>guild dev members</STRONG>.<BR><BR>Just saying. It's like Chel'drak all over again. In which we got WW 2nd and 3rd kills a week apart. And then WW 5th a week later.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Please all knowing one tell us who the dev is in our guild. Thanks!</P> <P>again grats to SD on the kill.<BR></P><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I don't think he's saying there is a dev in your guild, I'm pretty sure he's referring to when your guild accused NPU for having a dev in there guild when they WW 1st DMP.

[Tauch]

<div><blockquote><hr>illy586 wrote:<div></div> <blockquote> <hr> Patrix513 wrote: <div></div> <blockquote> <p></p> <hr> Taucher wrote: <p>Better than not getting one and throwing around veiled innuendos of hacking and exploiting and beta info and <strong>guild dev members</strong>.Just saying. It's like Chel'drak all over again. In which we got WW 2nd and 3rd kills a week apart. And then WW 5th a week later.</p> <hr> </blockquote> <p>Please all knowing one tell us who the dev is in our guild. Thanks!</p> <p>again grats to SD on the kill.</p> <hr> </blockquote>I don't think he's saying there is a dev in your guild, I'm pretty sure he's referring to when your guild accused NPU for having a dev in there guild when they WW 1st DMP.<hr></blockquote>I actually wasn't talking about anything in particular, just stuff that I've heard circulating after our matron kill.<span>:smileyindifferent:Renaven's right, though. I guess I just didn't know what to expect. *sigh*</span></div>

[pera]

<div></div>I wish we had a dev <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> i really want to be a giant butterfly <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div><p>Message Edited by perano on <span class=date_text>09-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>10:13 AM</span>

[Munter78]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Darkkeyes wrote:<BR> <P>Okay, alot of our members are getting numerous tells from all their aquaintances on other servers about how we beat the matron.<BR><BR>Therefore -<BR><BR>I might as well clear things up now and just let the strat out so we're all on the same page and our members can stop being harrased:<BR><BR>up, up, down, down, A, B, A, B, select, start<BR><BR>BAM!<BR>--------------------<BR>Darkkeyes - 70 assassin of Najena<BR>Darkeyes   - 62+ Bruiser of Nagafen<BR></P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P> <P> </P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P><STRONG><FONT color=#ffcc00>Edit: Thread locked for e-peenery.<BR></FONT></STRONG></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P> </P> <P>Its up up down down left right left right B A BA select start =D<BR></P><p>Message Edited by Moorgard on <span class=date_text>09-13-2006</span> <span class=time_text>09:35 AM</span>