Asking For Seperate Instances on all Major Zones

[Miroh]

 <b><i><font color="#ff0000">  I know this topic was brought up several times in the past but time for it again.  Please put up instances in all the major zones.....well the ones that don't have any.  All of the large KoS zones should have them, it is rediculous with the lag with 100+ people in these zones.   </font><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000">  Trying fighting MO when you have 2 guilds setting up for a Labs raid plus your own doing a contested, it's stupid.</font></i></b><div></div>

[Dogm]

<DIV>Although it was fun killing Terrorantula in SS1, and then moving on to SS2 to kill him again, it kinda ruined the "contested" factor.   So if they do this, make sure the contested can only spawn in the first instance (not currently the case, as the matron can spawn in Mystic lake 2)</DIV>

[Riversideblues]

<div><blockquote><hr>Dogmae wrote:<div>Although it was fun killing Terrorantula in SS1, and then moving on to SS2 to kill him again, it kinda ruined the "contested" factor.   So if they do this, make sure the contested can only spawn in the first instance (not currently the case, as the matron can spawn in Mystic lake 2)</div><hr></blockquote>ya and being able to kill doomsqual twice has completely upset the balance of power on our serverlag < suposed timers</div>

[Luca Blight]

<DIV>Ah ya and for the servers that actually have multiple guilds going for contested we might as well work together and get each our own instance. But yea if my guild was the only capable guild killing contested i would want the KOS zones to copy also.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>Same contested in multiple zones = overflow of items intended for that encounter. Good Game.</DIV>

[Miroh]

<b><i><font color="#ff0000"> Take the contested out of the other instances, make them link so when one dies they poof...I don't care, I care about the lag.</font><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000"> Oh and when you say overflow of items.....Yeah we got 3 leather tunics from him tonight and 2 adepts....thats overflow enough.</font></i></b><div></div>

[thorvang]

SOE could also just try to fix the lag issue.

[HomeChicken]

<P>3 tunics out of the same chest makes me sad, we have seen two out of the same chest, he normally drops at LEAST 1...</P> <P>but having choices of the zone = more chances at backup chitanous leather BPs</P> <P>or the crappy necklace / all the other random crap items off princes</P> <P>and think of all the /ran 100 loot x2 we could get off hurricanus...</P> <P>w00t</P>

[Miroh]

<div><blockquote><hr>thorvang wrote:SOE could also just try to fix the lag issue.<hr></blockquote> <b><i><font color="#ff0000"> That would mean more than likely upgrading the crappy servers they have now to better ones.....sigh, remember the good ole days in eq1 when you could be in ToV full of people and on dial up and not lag.....makes me sad  </font><font color="#ff0000"><span>:smileysad:</span></font></i></b></div>

[Riversideblues]

i really dont care if there's two contestedno one quit over too much content, they might quit from lag <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><div></div>

[Gyilok]

i dont think there is any serious raider out there that doesnt support this thread

[thorvang]

i consider myself a serious raider and that's why i support no instancing at all.

[Scort]

Better yet, maybe they should fix their network code so we don't have this kind of lag.In WoW, you can have 500 people in a zone and not have any issues with CA lag or anything.Here, as everyone knows, 60 people can kill performance. Heck, in instances, 2 guilds doing their own and it can go bad. I remember eye farming and only 2 guilds there and it was bad.Try doing Princes with 15 second lag where mobs and players all come to a screeching halt because there are 64 people in the zone (2 guilds at princes). CAs that take 10+ seconds to cast.It's just plain uncalled for.

[kyth]

    I would love the the lag to be fixed in this game.  100people in a zone shouldnt give the zone nearly as much lag as it does now.  Unfortunately that would require a major revamp on both the client and serverside applications.  Which we will more then likely not see any time soon.  <div></div>

[Luca Blight]

<DIV>hmm well i'm the first serious raider that doesnt support it. Lol calling yourself bigtime in eq2 is a joke. Everyone can eventually  get the same stuff within time, Hello instances. Your getting mulitple of the same items in a chest is just how it is deal with it. We all have seen good chest and bad ones. Yes if they can gurantee the contested will spawn in one zone only then i would support multiple zones. I'll say it again for servers that dont have multiple guilds that cant kill contested all your gonna do is benefit from it.</DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV>A serious raider would want only 1 spawn of each contested each week and lock it down from the rest of the server, letting them know thats gear they will never get till you move on to the next tier.  </DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV> </DIV>

[SinIsLaw]

<blockquote><hr>Miroh69 wrote: <b><i><font color="#ff0000">  I know this topic was brought up several times in the past but time for it again.  Please put up instances in all the major zones.....well the ones that don't have any.  All of the large KoS zones should have them, it is rediculous with the lag with 100+ people in these zones.   </font><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000"></font><font color="#ff0000">  Trying fighting MO when you have 2 guilds setting up for a Labs raid plus your own doing a contested, it's stupid.</font></i></b><div></div><hr></blockquote> And what would that help ???? Having seperate instance means pretty much nothing at all with SoE. Ever been to DT while two other raids where in there as well - I had problems just getting 2 CAs for Double up yesterday, so bad was the lag! Same stuff applies to Labs or HoS - multiple raids at the same time and u got LAG fest ... SoE would need to sort that out at first, before instancing the common zones imho

[Ddrak]

<div><blockquote><hr>Miroh69 wrote:<div><b><i><font color="#ff0000">sigh, remember the good ole days in eq1 when you could be in ToV full of people and on dial up and not lag.....makes me sad  </font><font color="#ff0000"><span>:smileysad:</span></font></i></b></div><hr></blockquote>You obviously played a different EQ1 to me!Any 70+ person raid would bring my 33.6k dialup to a screaming halt and I'd start going "back in time" and seeing things minutes after they happened.  Ssra definitely got "interesting" when you had one raid on Emp, one on AL and one on Cursed, especially if they were vertically over the top of each other so you'd get the fight spam from all of them.  Don't even mention the issues in Plane of Fire where you'd pull a named and it would moonwalk all the way to you at a glacially slow speed and then not even get a swing off before it died.<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Dd</div>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Riversideblues wrote:<BR>i really dont care if there's two contested<BR><BR>no one quit over too much content, they might quit from lag <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Like the items or not, they are the way they are because they drop once a week per server.  If they instanced overlands with contested in them you can bet they'd probably nerf the loot also, to make up for the potential for more of that mobs loot entering the game per week.</P> <P>Although they never did that with Terrorantula, so you never know.  I do know, because I've asked, that they tend to not instance overland (like PoF) because they contain contested mobs.<BR></P>

[vinterskugge]

<DIV><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gaige wrote:<BR> <BR> <P>Like the items or not, they are the way they are because they drop once a week per server.  If they instanced overlands with contested in them you can bet they'd probably nerf the loot also, to make up for the potential for more of that mobs loot entering the game per week.</P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Is it possible for them to make MO loot any worse?</DIV>

[Gaige]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> vinterskugge wrote: <DIV><BR>Is it possible for them to make MO loot any worse? <HR> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>Probably not, which is why I had that mini-disclaimer in there!  Sheesh.<BR>

[Pins]

<blockquote><hr>vinterskugge wrote:Is it possible for them to make MO loot any worse?<hr></blockquote>I can think of an idea. Remove all the effects from the loot! Or replace them all with Regen X.

[vinterskugge]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Pinski wrote:<BR><BR>I can think of an idea. Remove all the effects from the loot! Or replace them all with Regen X.<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Regen X is an upgrade from Regen I. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Mareth]

<div></div><div>edit: I missed the point <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div><p>Message Edited by LordSarig on <span class=date_text>08-07-2006</span> <span class=time_text>02:32 PM</span>

[Scort]

<blockquote><hr>Gaige wrote:<BLOCKQUOTE><HR>Riversideblues wrote:i really dont care if there's two contestedno one quit over too much content, they might quit from lag <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Like the items or not, they are the way they are because they drop once a week per server.  If they instanced overlands with contested in them you can bet they'd probably nerf the loot also, to make up for the potential for more of that mobs loot entering the game per week.</P><P>Although they never did that with Terrorantula, so you never know.  I do know, because I've asked, that they tend to not instance overland (like PoF) because they contain contested mobs.</P><hr></blockquote>So, you saying they can't figure out how to do instances and only have 1 contested?No, I think what needs to be done here is to redo the network code so that you don't have major lag just from 48+ people. Obviously the code is in major need to be totally overhauled. It's stupid to have lag so bad at Princes that we had constant burst of 15 second lag so bad that everything came to a halt, with only 65 people in the zone.If WoW can have network code that can support 300+ people in the same room without any issues, then surely SOE can.<p>Message Edited by Scortch on <span class=date_text>08-10-2006</span> <span class=time_text>03:17 PM</span>

[Slashflex]

So make the contested drop half as many items in their chest, problem solved. Sweet, now instead of killing (for example) the MO and getting 2 crappy robes and a master spell nobody needs, we can kill him and get 1 crappy robe and then go to bonemire2 and get a second crappy robe and a master spell nobody needs! But this way we at least got to do the fight twice and with less lag.

[YeldarbSpiritbla]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <HR> <P>Scortch wrote:<BR>Better yet, maybe they should fix their network code so we don't have this kind of lag.<BR><BR>In WoW, you can have 500 people in a zone and not have any issues with CA lag or anything.<BR><BR>Here, as everyone knows, 60 people can kill performance. Heck, in instances, 2 guilds doing their own and it can go bad. I remember eye farming and only 2 guilds there and it was bad.<BR><BR>Try doing Princes with 15 second lag where mobs and players all come to a screeching halt because there are 64 people in the zone (2 guilds at princes). CAs that take 10+ seconds to cast.<BR><BR>It's just plain uncalled for.</P> <P>No, I think what needs to be done here is to redo the network code so that you don't have major lag just from 48+ people. Obviously the code is in major need to be totally overhauled. It's stupid to have lag so bad at Princes that we had constant burst of 15 second lag so bad that everything came to a halt, with only 65 people in the zone.<BR><BR>If WoW can have network code that can support 300+ people in the same room without any issues, then surely SOE can.<BR></P> <P></P> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE>HAHAHA, LOL, mmmmm, need some BBQ sauce with that foot?<BR>

[Ever-Befallen]

<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE> <HR> Gyilok wrote:<BR> i dont think there is any serious raider out there that doesnt support this thread<BR> <HR> </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>I think anyone in their right mind doesnt want lag, thus supporting the general idea of this thread.  Not just 'serious raiders'.

[Gyilok]

<P>ok I admit everyone wants lag gone, not just raiders</P> <P>doesnt make heroic-solo stuff unbeatable though, but once you have tried doing mutagenic or princes with 3-5 second delay on everything, you will know what we are talking about</P> <P>I for one do not care if they solve it with multiple instances of a zone (doesnt really look like a solution if you look at the lag you get when multiple guilds are doing lab, lyceum hos or dt at the same time) or any other way, but I also dont think its impossible to have multiple bonemires, with only the initial one having the possibility to spawn contesteds (probably noone checked but there used to be multiple instances of, cl, ant, ts and nek forest and these zones all got their contesteds, but i got no clue if those were up in the 1-2 extra instances)</P> <P>anyway, either the hardware sucks, or the code (or both), so something should be done about it</P> <P> </P>

[Scort]

What are you blabbering about Yeldarb?I'm just wondering if it's because they are combining servers and trying to run too much off one server (or whatever0? Like maybe ALL of KoS off one server or something.